1 00:00:00,689 --> 00:00:05,695 [BanKs] Cologne has finished and we are back with another episode of the All About Counter-Strike podcast. 2 00:00:05,756 --> 00:00:07,097 [BanKs] It is episode 72. 3 00:00:07,118 --> 00:00:10,041 [BanKs] I'm going to get this out the way nice and fast very early on. 4 00:00:10,362 --> 00:00:12,044 [BanKs] It is the 23rd of June, 2026. 5 00:00:13,067 --> 00:00:17,051 [BanKs] For me, it is 8.56 in the evening, which means it's 9.56 in the evening for DevWalk. 6 00:00:17,353 --> 00:00:20,216 [BanKs] I didn't have internet since I came back from Cologne because... 7 00:00:20,196 --> 00:00:22,984 [BanKs] Portugal, they're all focused on the World Cup. 8 00:00:23,324 --> 00:00:29,018 [BanKs] Just like this side away from me, they've actually built a massive stand. 9 00:00:29,539 --> 00:00:33,429 [BanKs] They've taken up all the free parking spots that were around our house. 10 00:00:33,409 --> 00:00:46,034 [BanKs] and they have turned it into like a massive celebration obviously for people to watch on a huge screen and see the football buy beers and stuff like that but what it also means is that someone cut my internet cable or something went horribly wrong so 11 00:00:46,015 --> 00:00:53,088 [BanKs] I am currently 4G tethering to my computer so we can get this episode done and we can make some magic happen here. 12 00:00:54,149 --> 00:00:55,813 [BanKs] But I had an awesome time at Cologne. 13 00:00:55,832 --> 00:00:56,875 [BanKs] There's so much for us to get into. 14 00:00:56,895 --> 00:00:57,796 [BanKs] There's so much for us to cover. 15 00:00:58,158 --> 00:01:02,445 [BanKs] Dead Walk, obviously you were watching online from home, but how's the deadlock going? 16 00:01:02,466 --> 00:01:03,328 [BanKs] What else have you been up to? 17 00:01:03,728 --> 00:01:05,712 [BanKs] You're even looking after a dog. 18 00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:08,302 [Devilwalk] Yes, yes, we do have a dog. 19 00:01:08,343 --> 00:01:14,245 [Devilwalk] So it's my girlfriend's dog, but she kind of let him move into the house with her parents. 20 00:01:14,305 --> 00:01:15,831 [Devilwalk] So they have a yard and all that stuff. 21 00:01:15,850 --> 00:01:17,456 [Devilwalk] Let him run free, have a little bit more of 22 00:01:18,195 --> 00:01:21,444 [Devilwalk] Better free time than being in an apartment all day. 23 00:01:22,144 --> 00:01:22,546 [BanKs] Yep. 24 00:01:22,367 --> 00:01:24,653 [Devilwalk] So they're on a trip. 25 00:01:25,174 --> 00:01:26,498 [Devilwalk] So we're taking care of the dog. 26 00:01:26,558 --> 00:01:31,733 [Devilwalk] So every morning I wake up much earlier than I normally do. 27 00:01:32,370 --> 00:01:34,194 [Devilwalk] So go walk the dog. 28 00:01:34,215 --> 00:01:35,438 [Devilwalk] Do all that kind of stuff. 29 00:01:35,578 --> 00:01:37,983 [Devilwalk] Because obviously Rebecca works as normal. 30 00:01:38,665 --> 00:01:42,254 [Devilwalk] And she works from like 4 till 3. 31 00:01:38,781 --> 00:01:38,921 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 32 00:01:42,834 --> 00:01:44,959 [Devilwalk] That's a weird time to say. 33 00:01:43,102 --> 00:01:43,524 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah. 34 00:01:44,980 --> 00:01:45,822 [Devilwalk] But 4 in the morning. 35 00:01:46,483 --> 00:01:47,966 [Devilwalk] She wakes up and leaves for work. 36 00:01:46,671 --> 00:01:49,658 [BanKs] Yep. 37 00:01:49,269 --> 00:01:51,274 [Devilwalk] And yeah. 38 00:01:49,677 --> 00:01:57,775 [BanKs] That's a crazy song. 39 00:01:51,254 --> 00:01:58,192 [Devilwalk] so yeah i'm playing around with the dog throwing some balls out on the on the fields and 40 00:01:57,796 --> 00:01:59,078 [BanKs] Half asleep, you're like this. 41 00:02:00,623 --> 00:02:02,546 [BanKs] Just limp froze. 42 00:02:00,703 --> 00:02:12,723 [Devilwalk] Well, I do force myself a coffee and then I go straight out because I just want to get it done with so I get my time to sit down, chill, you know, all that kind of stuff. 43 00:02:05,496 --> 00:02:12,856 [BanKs] Yeah, of course. 44 00:02:12,782 --> 00:02:14,586 [Devilwalk] So it's better to just get it over with. 45 00:02:15,723 --> 00:02:16,926 [BanKs] Dude, this is so funny. 46 00:02:15,907 --> 00:02:16,788 [Devilwalk] But it's a good time. 47 00:02:17,569 --> 00:02:21,524 [BanKs] I'm just going to tell you, this is now getting you ready for a baby. 48 00:02:21,604 --> 00:02:22,868 [BanKs] I told Moses this, yeah? 49 00:02:23,390 --> 00:02:26,020 [BanKs] He first got dogs, then he had his child. 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:31,007 [BanKs] I then also first had, well, I didn't have a dog before Harvey, but before Leo came along, we had a dog. 51 00:02:31,026 --> 00:02:31,848 [BanKs] Then you get a child. 52 00:02:31,908 --> 00:02:32,949 [BanKs] This is just the way it goes. 53 00:02:33,491 --> 00:02:37,706 [Devilwalk] It's a test. 54 00:02:33,550 --> 00:02:39,318 [BanKs] This is your missus preparing you for she is going to say to you, I'm pregnant. 55 00:02:39,438 --> 00:02:44,667 [BanKs] Or a test to see if you're not going to mess it all up. 56 00:02:42,543 --> 00:02:43,967 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 57 00:02:43,987 --> 00:02:44,751 [Devilwalk] But it's been good. 58 00:02:45,861 --> 00:02:47,163 [BanKs] Well, I'm glad you're enjoying it. 59 00:02:47,183 --> 00:02:48,186 [BanKs] Get ready for the rest of it all. 60 00:02:49,268 --> 00:02:54,777 [BanKs] Counter-Strike-wise, oh my, we hit storylines, we hit crazy viewership. 61 00:02:55,218 --> 00:02:56,801 [BanKs] There is so much for us to discuss. 62 00:02:56,822 --> 00:02:58,786 [BanKs] Now, there's a lot of roster mania that's already happening. 63 00:02:58,846 --> 00:03:01,330 [BanKs] Some I have information that I can confirm. 64 00:03:02,231 --> 00:03:05,557 [BanKs] Some of what HRTV reported on are pretty damn accurate as well. 65 00:03:05,538 --> 00:03:15,919 [BanKs] We were hearing about a lot of this at Cologne from different people, but we're going to get into that in another episode when we also cover XSE Pro League that is happening next week. 66 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:20,328 [BanKs] But this is going to be like our final episode to cover everything from the Cologne Major. 67 00:03:20,408 --> 00:03:24,997 [BanKs] So strap yourselves in, get ready for it. 68 00:03:24,978 --> 00:03:29,132 [BanKs] You know, the first thing we're going to look at DevWalk before we look at the teams is just... 69 00:03:29,669 --> 00:03:34,278 [BanKs] What it was to have Cologne back as a major, obviously iconic. 70 00:03:35,723 --> 00:03:37,567 [BanKs] Obviously, I'm in the arena, right? 71 00:03:37,987 --> 00:03:40,312 [BanKs] I got to be there and watch more as a fan. 72 00:03:40,353 --> 00:03:42,497 [BanKs] I was making content, right, for a couple of sponsors. 73 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:46,006 [BanKs] But I was there as a fan, and I had a great spot. 74 00:03:46,126 --> 00:03:48,572 [BanKs] I was mainly with the Argentinian streamers. 75 00:03:48,991 --> 00:03:51,317 [BanKs] Forgy and his partners, which is like his crew of people. 76 00:03:51,997 --> 00:03:56,368 [BanKs] And, um, bro, you've got, you've got like the amazing suites. 77 00:03:56,408 --> 00:03:59,135 [BanKs] You can see the whole view from like, it's, 78 00:03:59,116 --> 00:04:01,079 [BanKs] luxury viewing experience for sure. 79 00:04:01,098 --> 00:04:06,968 [BanKs] So even on the Thursday, first game, remember the first games were not super exciting, right? 80 00:04:07,570 --> 00:04:09,373 [BanKs] Not like the big name teams coming in there. 81 00:04:09,394 --> 00:04:14,862 [BanKs] We saw Vitality, Falcon Spirit, you know, and it was still full. 82 00:04:14,842 --> 00:04:22,435 [BanKs] Like, I was... Every time, even when it's Cologne, even when it's some of the biggest events, it's normally not full. 83 00:04:23,115 --> 00:04:24,617 [BanKs] But everyone was there. 84 00:04:23,331 --> 00:04:23,608 [Devilwalk] Yep. 85 00:04:24,778 --> 00:04:29,826 [BanKs] Like, it was... I just knew it was going to be a crazy good vibe. 86 00:04:30,666 --> 00:04:31,148 [BanKs] And... 87 00:04:32,004 --> 00:04:35,612 [BanKs] I don't know, for other people who were there who paid for their tickets, I'm sure you had a great time. 88 00:04:35,632 --> 00:04:37,855 [BanKs] A lot of people I spoke to said it as well. 89 00:04:38,297 --> 00:04:45,189 [BanKs] But this just took Cologne to like a new level because obviously it's four days as well and people are taking that time off. 90 00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:47,314 [BanKs] I met people, by the way, 91 00:04:47,293 --> 00:04:53,427 [BanKs] who traveled from Australia, from Canada, from America, from China. 92 00:04:53,809 --> 00:04:54,891 [BanKs] Some, obviously, they're studying. 93 00:04:54,911 --> 00:04:56,213 [BanKs] They told me they were studying in Europe. 94 00:04:56,995 --> 00:05:03,531 [BanKs] So one of the guys I met was also from Hong Kong, and he showed me a photo of where he saw me last time from Hong Kong, and I'm like... 95 00:05:03,511 --> 00:05:05,536 [BanKs] Okay, that's like, that's actually crazy. 96 00:05:05,555 --> 00:05:06,437 [BanKs] You traveled all this way. 97 00:05:06,538 --> 00:05:11,249 [BanKs] So obviously, this happens a lot of majors, but it still surprises me, you know, because it's not cheap. 98 00:05:10,514 --> 00:05:20,759 [Devilwalk] yeah it's not shape but there is a huge 99 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:13,112 [BanKs] Like the flights are not cheap. 100 00:05:13,574 --> 00:05:17,423 [BanKs] The hotels are not cheap when you're looking at Cologne anyway. 101 00:05:17,682 --> 00:05:17,903 [BanKs] Yeah. 102 00:05:18,584 --> 00:05:20,370 [BanKs] And people people are booked out. 103 00:05:20,449 --> 00:05:21,451 [BanKs] It was crazy. 104 00:05:21,904 --> 00:05:40,790 [Devilwalk] I mean, the amount of people that you kind of like frequently see at events that make this their kind of vacation trip for the year, it's kind of unbelievable for Counter-Strike because you... I think we all kind of started off thinking, okay, we'll get some, you know... 105 00:05:27,980 --> 00:05:28,401 [BanKs] Mhm. 106 00:05:32,507 --> 00:05:32,708 [BanKs] Yep. 107 00:05:40,771 --> 00:05:53,413 [Devilwalk] esports enjoyers from the local area kind of join in and it's grown more and more into you know people actually planning for these trips in adult life and it's awesome to see 108 00:05:46,031 --> 00:05:46,512 [BanKs] Definitely. 109 00:05:52,567 --> 00:06:10,947 [BanKs] looking at that by the way I just pause for a moment because you know I said about that stadium thing they've made in the middle of the parking lot like just by our house where normally all the cars park I can hear it even over you talking I can hear whoever is shouting now on a microphone at 110 00:06:05,206 --> 00:06:05,514 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 111 00:06:10,927 --> 00:06:14,432 [BanKs] 9 o'clock at night for whatever this thing is that they're doing and celebrating the World Cup. 112 00:06:14,514 --> 00:06:17,439 [BanKs] Obviously, they did win today as well, so congratulations to Portugal. 113 00:06:17,499 --> 00:06:18,300 [BanKs] It wasn't a hard game. 114 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,545 [BanKs] The England game is just starting now as well, so hopefully we're going to beat Ghana. 115 00:06:22,187 --> 00:06:22,728 [BanKs] Fingers crossed. 116 00:06:22,928 --> 00:06:23,790 [BanKs] We did start off strong. 117 00:06:24,572 --> 00:06:29,661 [BanKs] Another thing I wanted to say as well, production-wise of what we saw from ESL, 118 00:06:30,502 --> 00:06:33,610 [BanKs] It was like the same kind of stage with some visual differences. 119 00:06:34,132 --> 00:06:41,692 [BanKs] But I felt like the visual videos, the content that was thrown up, the... 120 00:06:41,673 --> 00:06:44,680 [BanKs] storytelling was done beautifully. 121 00:06:45,182 --> 00:06:45,442 [BanKs] Yeah. 122 00:06:46,225 --> 00:06:55,529 [BanKs] Um, I think having two trophy bearers, one being cold Zara and one being Olaf was like, Oh, absolutely amazing. 123 00:06:55,509 --> 00:07:15,526 [BanKs] perfect you know it's good they didn't try and overcook it or get it for like four days of people doing it you know like this was great two of the guys who won the trophies before when it was majors made perfect sense um both also with a graffiti but i can't remember if cold graffiti was from the cologne or not i don't think it was right was his from columbus 124 00:06:57,062 --> 00:06:57,322 [Devilwalk] Yep. 125 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,730 [Devilwalk] It might have been Columbus. 126 00:07:18,831 --> 00:07:22,024 [Devilwalk] I'm not 100% sure. 127 00:07:19,303 --> 00:07:19,685 [BanKs] Yeah. 128 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:23,752 [BanKs] I never remember which one it was. 129 00:07:23,773 --> 00:07:25,255 [BanKs] I just remember, obviously, the iconic play. 130 00:07:25,596 --> 00:07:28,562 [BanKs] But when Olaf did it, right, they were obviously showing his graffiti. 131 00:07:28,601 --> 00:07:33,290 [BanKs] And then also, because I'm watching from really high up and down, but I've got a perfect view of the whole thing. 132 00:07:33,612 --> 00:07:37,358 [BanKs] And you just see the fire, you know, obviously, because he did the diffuse in the fire. 133 00:07:37,379 --> 00:07:38,502 [BanKs] And you see it all around him. 134 00:07:37,427 --> 00:07:39,052 [Devilwalk] I was the... 135 00:07:38,521 --> 00:07:39,202 [BanKs] And I... 136 00:07:39,182 --> 00:07:53,547 [BanKs] yeah you were there obviously but i mean i'm watching this and i'm like this is every little detail like that was really cool i will say and this isn't this has nothing to do because it was me or not me but i mean a little bit of hype was missing a little bit of um 137 00:07:53,526 --> 00:08:12,413 [BanKs] energy was missing but the commentators turned it up massively um we'll get onto some of the specific games when we talk about it but i feel like you know i'm such a big fan of scrawny and launders i'm always like i would always say they are the best ones at the moment the oh which game was it i think it was the falcon spirit game from harry and hugo 138 00:08:12,798 --> 00:08:19,413 [BanKs] My God, it was absolutely like some of the best commentary I'd heard in so long. 139 00:08:13,050 --> 00:08:13,343 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 140 00:08:20,295 --> 00:08:22,040 [BanKs] All that energy, everything they gave to it. 141 00:08:22,620 --> 00:08:29,877 [BanKs] I almost thought that that would swing them getting the grand final because it was just so perfectly called from start to finish. 142 00:08:31,259 --> 00:08:33,563 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I mean, it probably helped. 143 00:08:33,583 --> 00:08:34,044 [Devilwalk] I don't know. 144 00:08:34,866 --> 00:08:45,471 [Devilwalk] It probably helped the atmosphere in the arena and for all the viewers that we had such banger games from the G2 Spirit game, Falcon's Fatality, to kind of 145 00:08:45,417 --> 00:08:45,798 [BanKs] Yep. 146 00:08:45,451 --> 00:09:05,383 [Devilwalk] hype things up and I think there was a pretty good hype around Aurora as well making it through I'm not sure how it was through the arena but from the the imagery it definitely looked like you know people were hyped about that uh how was it from yeah how was it from your side on on that part 147 00:09:00,265 --> 00:09:02,110 [BanKs] Turkish flags were everywhere in Germany. 148 00:09:06,004 --> 00:09:09,390 [BanKs] I felt like the energy the whole weekend was so good. 149 00:09:09,451 --> 00:09:09,870 [BanKs] I'll tell you this. 150 00:09:10,032 --> 00:09:10,412 [BanKs] I'll happy. 151 00:09:10,432 --> 00:09:11,614 [BanKs] I have no problem saying this. 152 00:09:12,282 --> 00:09:12,557 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 153 00:09:13,417 --> 00:09:16,422 [BanKs] When I saw the opening day intro on the Thursday, right? 154 00:09:16,982 --> 00:09:22,432 [BanKs] And I'm watching it and I saw OJ go out there and he's doing his first like initial beat, you know, the same stuff he usually does. 155 00:09:23,274 --> 00:09:24,755 [BanKs] I actually had like, 156 00:09:25,427 --> 00:09:37,833 [BanKs] I wouldn't say I cried, but I almost cried from the emotions because I had that kind of fear of missing out, even though I was there more like not, it should have been me, but I want it to be me, you know? 157 00:09:38,302 --> 00:09:43,552 [BanKs] Because I had that feeling of just remembering how awesome Budapest was and when we were doing the stuff on stage there. 158 00:09:42,370 --> 00:09:42,730 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 159 00:09:43,592 --> 00:09:50,885 [BanKs] And that reaffirmed to me my passion and love for the game and wanting to keep doing this. 160 00:09:50,946 --> 00:09:54,793 [BanKs] Because when you're watching it from the outside perspective, I'm like... 161 00:09:54,773 --> 00:09:56,985 [BanKs] oh man, this is really like the cologne major. 162 00:09:57,125 --> 00:09:59,679 [BanKs] And I got pretty choked up by that. 163 00:10:00,101 --> 00:10:01,932 [BanKs] And I'll also say that... 164 00:10:02,535 --> 00:10:11,899 [BanKs] When I was looking at just the crowd's energy through the matches, I never even got a sense of the crowd cheating. 165 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,831 [BanKs] Some of the times in the arena, we had x-ray turned off, which obviously normally happens to avoid that anyway. 166 00:10:13,032 --> 00:10:13,359 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 167 00:10:16,812 --> 00:10:21,144 [BanKs] but it felt like we didn't have any of those moments where it was just natural reactions. 168 00:10:21,505 --> 00:10:26,662 [BanKs] Like some of the, some of the plays, dude, I'm like banging on the side of like, I've got this railing in front of me. 169 00:10:26,682 --> 00:10:26,861 [BanKs] Right. 170 00:10:26,903 --> 00:10:28,125 [BanKs] Just so I can see straight into the rear. 171 00:10:28,145 --> 00:10:29,691 [BanKs] I'm like banging on the side of the thing. 172 00:10:29,671 --> 00:10:31,856 [BanKs] I think I almost spilled my energy drink. 173 00:10:31,917 --> 00:10:33,341 [BanKs] I'm not going to just name the brand. 174 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:39,596 [BanKs] My energy drink off the side because I was hanging it on the side and then the magic play happened and I just started hitting the thing and I'm like, whoop, nope. 175 00:10:38,428 --> 00:10:41,418 [Devilwalk] I was wondering, it probably was the Magix play, right? 176 00:10:41,601 --> 00:11:00,976 [BanKs] yeah it was the magic's play because i remember touching it i can't remember who it was next to me it's one of the 9z players and i just said to him you don't get four from here it's like you get two at best you don't get four like it doesn't happen this way you know yeah definitely definitely 177 00:10:55,422 --> 00:10:57,145 [Devilwalk] But, I mean, it's the pressure of the major. 178 00:10:57,206 --> 00:11:00,734 [Devilwalk] We'll probably talk more in depth about that a little bit later. 179 00:11:00,793 --> 00:11:12,299 [Devilwalk] But, I mean, overall, I think playoff-wise, one of the best majors I've ever watched, even from a viewer's perspective from home. 180 00:11:12,043 --> 00:11:24,273 [BanKs] Yep. 181 00:11:12,279 --> 00:11:29,900 [Devilwalk] amazing you know as you mentioned storylines the feeling of everything it felt great loved the desk as well I thought they did a great job throughout the event was really really good and yeah 182 00:11:24,293 --> 00:11:24,432 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 183 00:11:27,772 --> 00:11:30,258 [BanKs] I'll say this on the desk a little bit, though. 184 00:11:30,278 --> 00:11:31,701 [BanKs] I just wish Ash was there. 185 00:11:32,443 --> 00:11:36,575 [BanKs] Nothing against anyone that was doing it, but because he did such a good job. 186 00:11:32,850 --> 00:11:40,908 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I think... Yep. 187 00:11:36,815 --> 00:11:37,798 [BanKs] Yeah. 188 00:11:37,778 --> 00:11:42,029 [BanKs] By the way, Stico absolutely nailed doing some of the death segments that he was on. 189 00:11:40,927 --> 00:11:41,089 [Devilwalk] Yep. 190 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:43,914 [BanKs] He obviously came with such energy. 191 00:11:43,955 --> 00:11:45,559 [BanKs] He's already said he's tweeted it himself. 192 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:46,763 [BanKs] This is what he wants to do. 193 00:11:46,783 --> 00:11:48,948 [BanKs] He wants to be in that role, not doing the interviews, right? 194 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:52,118 [BanKs] And so now he got the chance and it's at a major and he's in the crowd. 195 00:11:52,158 --> 00:11:53,041 [BanKs] He didn't suffer from that. 196 00:11:53,061 --> 00:11:53,442 [BanKs] He just... 197 00:11:53,422 --> 00:11:54,163 [BanKs] He went from it. 198 00:11:54,202 --> 00:11:56,606 [BanKs] He came very planned, prepared, ready as well. 199 00:11:56,626 --> 00:11:57,268 [BanKs] We know Stiko, right? 200 00:11:57,288 --> 00:11:58,208 [BanKs] That's exactly what he does. 201 00:11:57,961 --> 00:11:58,269 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 202 00:11:58,649 --> 00:12:03,898 [BanKs] But I do just feel like... Obviously, Moses went from commentating into doing the analyst desk. 203 00:12:03,918 --> 00:12:05,581 [BanKs] And Moses can do everything, bro. 204 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:06,621 [BanKs] Moses can even host. 205 00:12:06,861 --> 00:12:07,724 [BanKs] Like, he can do everything. 206 00:12:07,764 --> 00:12:09,306 [BanKs] He's an insane talent. 207 00:12:09,667 --> 00:12:13,152 [BanKs] But I just wish Ash stuck around because... 208 00:12:13,131 --> 00:12:19,333 [BanKs] I was so high on him there and it felt like some of his input was missing when we got into the playoff. 209 00:12:19,374 --> 00:12:21,522 [BanKs] That was my only negative on that side. 210 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:23,192 [Devilwalk] I would agree with you. 211 00:12:23,253 --> 00:12:25,537 [Devilwalk] I think Ash was a great addition. 212 00:12:25,756 --> 00:12:30,804 [Devilwalk] He did a great job and he was definitely missed, but I still think overall the desk was good. 213 00:12:33,830 --> 00:12:36,934 [Devilwalk] But yeah, should we dive into some of these games? 214 00:12:35,996 --> 00:12:43,975 [BanKs] The only other thing I was going to quickly touch on is just the crowd problems of where we had a couple of people rush on stage. 215 00:12:37,716 --> 00:12:40,961 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 216 00:12:44,655 --> 00:12:51,171 [BanKs] I think, right, it's only fair because we've criticized it when it happened at PGL, when it happened at Copenhagen and other events, right? 217 00:12:44,772 --> 00:13:01,597 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 218 00:12:51,826 --> 00:13:10,965 [BanKs] that people need to remember yes esl will take some blame for it but the people who are security don't work for esl they work for the venue the problem we have in a lot of these venues is like they're just kind of stood there and then they don't react so fast and and i think what happens to some of these security people this is just my opinion 219 00:13:01,618 --> 00:13:01,717 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 220 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:15,703 [BanKs] is that they get put into a false sense of security in their minds. 221 00:13:15,744 --> 00:13:17,308 [BanKs] They're like, oh, look, nothing's happening. 222 00:13:17,369 --> 00:13:21,341 [BanKs] These guys are so chill, even when they're drunk, because they're gamers, yeah? 223 00:13:22,003 --> 00:13:23,166 [BanKs] And then... 224 00:13:23,145 --> 00:13:25,072 [BanKs] I think something happened three times. 225 00:13:25,211 --> 00:13:26,957 [BanKs] It was only reported that two times happened. 226 00:13:27,318 --> 00:13:27,559 [BanKs] Yeah. 227 00:13:28,201 --> 00:13:33,678 [BanKs] But on the second one, on the Sunday during the grand final, the guy was so close. 228 00:13:28,309 --> 00:13:28,586 [Devilwalk] Yep. 229 00:13:33,658 --> 00:13:47,769 [BanKs] to um nico like he was so close to that falcons desk and he was wearing similar outfit to the guys that done it before obviously they boosted security but i know we're not in america people aren't having guns and stuff like that 230 00:13:48,356 --> 00:13:54,168 [BanKs] But it is a little bit crazy that we still are in a situation for all events, by the way. 231 00:13:54,187 --> 00:13:59,418 [BanKs] This isn't just going to be a selfie where we are not fencing off more, you know? 232 00:13:59,437 --> 00:14:03,024 [BanKs] I know people want to be close and high-five the players and stuff, but... 233 00:14:04,202 --> 00:14:06,227 [BanKs] We can't keep letting this risk happen. 234 00:14:06,990 --> 00:14:08,673 [BanKs] I'm putting some barrier there. 235 00:14:07,341 --> 00:14:11,614 [Devilwalk] We need to hire Messi's old bodyguard into these events. 236 00:14:12,041 --> 00:14:16,591 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah, exactly. 237 00:14:12,756 --> 00:14:14,179 [Devilwalk] If you've seen clips of that guy. 238 00:14:15,924 --> 00:14:18,852 [Devilwalk] Just tackle people before it even happens. 239 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:23,075 [BanKs] The guy that did get on the stage obviously did get tackled down there, eventually jumped on him, right? 240 00:14:23,095 --> 00:14:25,538 [BanKs] There's the video out there, but everyone wants to go searching for it. 241 00:14:25,918 --> 00:14:33,749 [BanKs] But it is getting a little bit too scary and a little bit too close to comfort for my liking that this stuff keeps on happening, you know? 242 00:14:33,788 --> 00:14:38,715 [BanKs] And it is becoming a regular recurrence of some blunders and... 243 00:14:33,986 --> 00:14:47,634 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 244 00:14:38,812 --> 00:14:41,240 [BanKs] we're not already forward thinking. 245 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,232 [BanKs] Because, you know, like if you go to PGL or if you're in Bucharest, right? 246 00:14:45,855 --> 00:14:47,881 [BanKs] Sorry, Bucharest, Budapest for the major. 247 00:14:47,654 --> 00:14:47,875 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 248 00:14:48,423 --> 00:14:51,472 [BanKs] Those 360 stages, you can't have fans on the ground. 249 00:14:50,541 --> 00:14:52,485 [Devilwalk] Now, you can't even 250 00:14:51,587 --> 00:14:53,754 [BanKs] So for them to... Yeah, you can't get there. 251 00:14:53,774 --> 00:14:58,907 [BanKs] But if someone did get there and they tried to rush it, you're going to see them before they can get anywhere close to the players. 252 00:14:54,034 --> 00:14:59,129 [Devilwalk] You can't get there. 253 00:14:58,947 --> 00:14:59,107 [BanKs] Yeah? 254 00:14:59,149 --> 00:15:04,465 [Devilwalk] Dude, the ramp that they need to run up to was massive. 255 00:15:02,517 --> 00:15:06,046 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 256 00:15:04,785 --> 00:15:09,158 [Devilwalk] Like, there's no way they'll reach a player. 257 00:15:06,066 --> 00:15:06,587 [BanKs] Exactly. 258 00:15:07,149 --> 00:15:07,470 [BanKs] But... 259 00:15:10,201 --> 00:15:22,982 [BanKs] But for any of the other events, right, that don't have that aspect being used, they need to be aware that this can be a problem and be more ready for it, more on point, because I don't want something to happen to a player. 260 00:15:23,043 --> 00:15:26,708 [BanKs] I don't want that to be something that happens in CS news and we're talking about it, right? 261 00:15:23,278 --> 00:15:29,451 [Devilwalk] So how close were people actually sitting? 262 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:27,129 [BanKs] And 263 00:15:29,530 --> 00:15:37,625 [Devilwalk] Because, I mean... Yeah? 264 00:15:31,143 --> 00:15:33,215 [BanKs] Vet Bro in Cologne, it's the same as always. 265 00:15:33,436 --> 00:15:36,693 [BanKs] It's like, you're here, yeah? 266 00:15:37,479 --> 00:15:38,081 [BanKs] And... 267 00:15:38,736 --> 00:15:43,105 [BanKs] It's maybe like if you put four people in a line, then you could go onto the stage. 268 00:15:43,145 --> 00:15:47,313 [BanKs] The stage is still higher, but you know the long walkway that comes out? 269 00:15:44,034 --> 00:15:58,888 [Devilwalk] damn yeah yeah okay 270 00:15:47,934 --> 00:15:50,860 [BanKs] That is easier to get onto because there's stairs that go up from the side. 271 00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:52,604 [BanKs] Now, it is sectioned off. 272 00:15:52,664 --> 00:15:53,647 [BanKs] There's the rope, yeah? 273 00:15:54,106 --> 00:15:56,010 [BanKs] But that rope ain't stopping anyone, bro. 274 00:15:56,392 --> 00:15:57,453 [BanKs] I could jump the rope. 275 00:15:57,990 --> 00:16:00,174 [BanKs] Yeah, you can just go under it real quick, you know? 276 00:16:00,816 --> 00:16:08,490 [BanKs] So we're at a point now, especially with how famous these players are, how much people want to see them and get close to them, right? 277 00:16:09,052 --> 00:16:12,337 [BanKs] And whoever the people are who are designed to do this, obviously they're a bit lunatics. 278 00:16:14,702 --> 00:16:16,826 [BanKs] But we are at that point now where it's just... 279 00:16:17,616 --> 00:16:20,462 [BanKs] I don't want that to be the thing that ruins an event that was so amazing. 280 00:16:20,623 --> 00:16:28,238 [BanKs] You know, any event, not just this one, anything that could happen on it, because it's such a, it's such a scary thing for players to be worried about as well. 281 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:22,642 [Devilwalk] No, I get you. 282 00:16:28,258 --> 00:16:32,547 [BanKs] Imagine as we had it before, like where it then froze players off their games. 283 00:16:33,327 --> 00:16:35,692 [BanKs] You know, you don't want to have that in the back of your minds and be worried about that. 284 00:16:34,731 --> 00:16:39,101 [Devilwalk] I mean, obviously if you see someone rushing in front of you in real life... 285 00:16:39,267 --> 00:16:39,548 [BanKs] Yeah. 286 00:16:40,346 --> 00:16:47,589 [Devilwalk] It's going to throw some people off and you want to have the best prepared people when you're watching the major. 287 00:16:43,118 --> 00:16:43,219 [BanKs] Yeah. 288 00:16:47,649 --> 00:16:51,419 [Devilwalk] They should not get any distractions, obviously the audience. 289 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,264 [Devilwalk] always going to be distracting to some degree. 290 00:16:54,467 --> 00:17:01,907 [Devilwalk] But you don't want that kind of stuff interfering, the same as you don't want crashes of PCs and that sort of stuff happening. 291 00:17:00,866 --> 00:17:01,128 [BanKs] Yeah. 292 00:17:01,966 --> 00:17:05,275 [Devilwalk] But one more avoidable than the other. 293 00:17:06,566 --> 00:17:07,028 [BanKs] Exactly. 294 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:11,682 [BanKs] Also, one thing that was amazing... Obviously, you've been to Cologne before. 295 00:17:12,207 --> 00:17:25,762 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 296 00:17:12,326 --> 00:17:13,087 [BanKs] Normally... 297 00:17:13,726 --> 00:17:19,477 [BanKs] The entrance and the barriers to get into the venue is like when you're actually in the arena. 298 00:17:19,517 --> 00:17:24,646 [BanKs] This time they did the checks way before and the area was open more. 299 00:17:25,008 --> 00:17:26,471 [BanKs] So there was multiple tents. 300 00:17:25,782 --> 00:17:26,284 [Devilwalk] Okay. 301 00:17:27,011 --> 00:17:31,701 [BanKs] Yes, there was multiple tents where there was like sponsor tents and then there was 302 00:17:31,681 --> 00:17:50,482 [BanKs] the ESL shop and then there was the partner tent where like the colex shop was where I did a signing session and stuff yes but like this this there was so much more room that once you were in it was easy to go in and out without having a problem and it definitely felt better from the fans like for example I could go out between every map 303 00:17:35,883 --> 00:17:38,077 [Devilwalk] They have done pet tents before, right? 304 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:38,686 [Devilwalk] But... 305 00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:55,507 [BanKs] And walk around, see some fans, take pictures, talk to people, go stop here. 306 00:17:55,767 --> 00:17:57,510 [BanKs] You were not just locked in the concourse. 307 00:17:57,530 --> 00:17:58,732 [BanKs] And by the way, I'll say this. 308 00:17:59,414 --> 00:18:03,122 [BanKs] Having a cologne at this time of year, dude, it was 35 degrees on some days. 309 00:18:03,142 --> 00:18:05,686 [BanKs] And you know the length of this is like glass. 310 00:18:05,666 --> 00:18:09,080 [BanKs] So 35 degrees, the whole arena's heating up. 311 00:18:05,853 --> 00:18:06,229 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 312 00:18:09,383 --> 00:18:10,266 [BanKs] By the way, I need to check this. 313 00:18:10,307 --> 00:18:11,170 [BanKs] I should have checked this before. 314 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:14,242 [BanKs] Lexus built when? 315 00:18:15,184 --> 00:18:16,867 [BanKs] Because it was built in 2004. 316 00:18:16,989 --> 00:18:17,209 [BanKs] Yeah? 317 00:18:19,093 --> 00:18:22,681 [BanKs] It is old now. 318 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:24,203 [BanKs] It is definitely old. 319 00:18:24,605 --> 00:18:25,045 [BanKs] So here we go. 320 00:18:25,086 --> 00:18:26,127 [BanKs] The Lanxess... Oh, God. 321 00:18:26,268 --> 00:18:30,616 [BanKs] A Lanxess Arena was built between 96 and 98, officially opening in 1998. 322 00:18:30,998 --> 00:18:33,041 [BanKs] And then it had a... 323 00:18:33,021 --> 00:18:35,067 [BanKs] It was later renamed in 2008. 324 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:36,611 [BanKs] Okay, there you go. 325 00:18:36,651 --> 00:18:37,993 [BanKs] That's the Google overview. 326 00:18:38,695 --> 00:18:39,817 [BanKs] So actually 1998. 327 00:18:40,199 --> 00:18:42,384 [BanKs] You can tell that because the aircon don't do much. 328 00:18:42,865 --> 00:18:46,795 [BanKs] Once you've got all those bodies in there and it was so hot outside, there was no saving us. 329 00:18:46,775 --> 00:18:54,538 [BanKs] So if you compared it to what we had in Budapest, which was like, you know, super modern and nice, I'll say this is the only thing that's going to stop the Lanxess ever being used. 330 00:18:51,634 --> 00:19:00,800 [Devilwalk] Sweaty gamers don't need to be more sweaty. 331 00:18:54,598 --> 00:18:56,685 [BanKs] It's like, we can't have colognes at this time. 332 00:18:56,826 --> 00:18:58,170 [BanKs] Normally cologne would be later, right? 333 00:18:58,269 --> 00:18:59,113 [BanKs] After the player break. 334 00:19:01,372 --> 00:19:04,703 [BanKs] Bro, this was unbearable. 335 00:19:04,944 --> 00:19:07,775 [BanKs] You know, on the first day, on the first day, I changed my t-shirt three times. 336 00:19:08,698 --> 00:19:10,605 [BanKs] Three times I had different t-shirts on. 337 00:19:10,653 --> 00:19:16,227 [BanKs] It was because I'm outside filming and then going back in, doing some other stuff, watching the game. 338 00:19:16,366 --> 00:19:19,796 [BanKs] It was unbearable heat. 339 00:19:19,955 --> 00:19:22,201 [BanKs] So shout out to everyone that's managed to survive that. 340 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:25,900 [Devilwalk] Like even in your viewing area, which was like high. 341 00:19:26,673 --> 00:19:26,873 [BanKs] Yep. 342 00:19:27,702 --> 00:19:31,028 [Devilwalk] Okay. 343 00:19:28,522 --> 00:19:29,391 [BanKs] Heat's rising, bro. 344 00:19:29,714 --> 00:19:30,279 [BanKs] Heat's rising. 345 00:19:30,946 --> 00:19:32,339 [BanKs] So it was actually not a good thing 346 00:19:31,048 --> 00:19:36,318 [Devilwalk] Yeah, but maybe it's like betterly equipped with the AC around there or something like that. 347 00:19:35,932 --> 00:19:40,037 [BanKs] No, non-existent, non-existent. 348 00:19:36,439 --> 00:19:37,181 [Devilwalk] I don't know. 349 00:19:38,884 --> 00:19:39,806 [Devilwalk] Non-existent. 350 00:19:39,826 --> 00:19:39,965 [Devilwalk] Okay. 351 00:19:39,986 --> 00:19:40,086 [Devilwalk] Okay. 352 00:19:40,057 --> 00:19:41,419 [BanKs] You had to go outside every time. 353 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,363 [BanKs] Yeah, but obviously that's nothing to do with ESL side. 354 00:19:44,383 --> 00:19:45,663 [BanKs] That's just the arena being old. 355 00:19:46,174 --> 00:19:56,708 [Devilwalk] Yeah, yeah. 356 00:19:46,404 --> 00:19:49,449 [BanKs] And you could really feel it from all sides. 357 00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:50,590 [BanKs] Everyone was saying this, man. 358 00:19:50,951 --> 00:19:54,174 [BanKs] The amount of people that come to take a picture and I was like, I'm so sorry, I am very sweaty. 359 00:19:54,435 --> 00:19:55,576 [BanKs] And they're like, so am I. 360 00:19:56,536 --> 00:19:59,541 [BanKs] I was reminding a lot of people to drink water, not just beer as well. 361 00:20:00,002 --> 00:20:05,574 [BanKs] Cause you have to remember the premium seat holders, they have, um, unlimited drinks, unlimited beer. 362 00:20:06,336 --> 00:20:08,500 [BanKs] So like imagine you paid a lot for the tickets. 363 00:20:09,161 --> 00:20:10,984 [BanKs] Um, a lot of people were complaining about ticket prices. 364 00:20:11,246 --> 00:20:15,554 [BanKs] Obviously I know it's a major, but it's way higher than what we've seen in the past. 365 00:20:14,727 --> 00:20:16,290 [Devilwalk] What was the prices? 366 00:20:15,574 --> 00:20:15,894 [BanKs] Um, 367 00:20:17,326 --> 00:20:21,260 [BanKs] One guy was telling me it was like eight or 900 euros for a premium. 368 00:20:22,607 --> 00:20:40,363 [BanKs] yeah and that's getting a little bit like if you factor in then what we're talking about flights and then the hotels also ramping up their prices because they know this is a big event it's kind of tough and one guy even mentioned like for example it's like you're getting the same kind of goodie bag the price is like doubled or tripled over the last few years um 369 00:20:28,558 --> 00:20:30,001 [Devilwalk] Yeah, that's a lot. 370 00:20:40,343 --> 00:20:44,111 [BanKs] And obviously, yeah, we're getting free drinks the whole time and stuff, but it's not like they're getting food as well. 371 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:50,545 [BanKs] So there's a bit of a sentiment around some of the fans that I would regularly see. 372 00:20:50,565 --> 00:20:53,451 [BanKs] I mean, these are fans I've seen multiple years again and again and again. 373 00:20:53,491 --> 00:20:57,339 [BanKs] And they obviously love Cologne as a legacy event, but it's like, 374 00:20:53,741 --> 00:20:54,236 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 375 00:20:58,635 --> 00:21:00,239 [BanKs] it's pretty hard, right? 376 00:21:00,318 --> 00:21:01,521 [BanKs] It's pretty hard for them to go through. 377 00:21:01,662 --> 00:21:09,857 [BanKs] But the amount of free drink you can get and take, it's not worth that price point to it as well on top of the seats. 378 00:21:10,259 --> 00:21:16,611 [BanKs] The one thing I think Cologne does really well though is that it doesn't force people to sit in an assigned seat. 379 00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:19,457 [BanKs] I think assigned seating can be really bad, right? 380 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:26,752 [BanKs] If your friends book all on different days, and if you then go together and you want to sit next to each other, people are able to get into much better spots. 381 00:21:20,522 --> 00:21:21,165 [Devilwalk] I think so. 382 00:21:21,185 --> 00:21:21,538 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 383 00:21:27,134 --> 00:21:31,865 [BanKs] I think obviously it gets harder when, say, you don't maybe get there early enough, but that's more on you, you know? 384 00:21:31,984 --> 00:21:36,034 [BanKs] So I think looking at it overall... 385 00:21:36,013 --> 00:21:38,921 [BanKs] overwhelmingly positive. 386 00:21:39,583 --> 00:21:44,714 [BanKs] Obviously, I said I didn't think this major would beat any records of what was already there. 387 00:21:45,236 --> 00:21:50,288 [BanKs] Well, it did, only by having 50,000 or 60,000, but it still beat Stockholm. 388 00:21:50,307 --> 00:21:51,289 [BanKs] Bro, that is crazy. 389 00:21:51,309 --> 00:21:53,536 [BanKs] We didn't even get five maps for the grand final. 390 00:21:53,556 --> 00:21:54,057 [BanKs] So, 391 00:21:54,037 --> 00:22:12,298 [BanKs] with cologne being a legacy event with counter-strike maybe not doing as good numbers as well in terms of people playing it right now because of problems and everything else with the game for cologne to do that and obviously fury of falcons because falcons benefit from not only just name value like carrigan manasi nico but 392 00:22:12,278 --> 00:22:13,701 [BanKs] but also the hate watchers. 393 00:22:13,780 --> 00:22:17,189 [BanKs] And then you've got the furia, Brazilian, South American sides, right? 394 00:22:17,568 --> 00:22:18,391 [BanKs] All supporting them. 395 00:22:19,011 --> 00:22:21,458 [BanKs] It, it did wonders for terms of that. 396 00:22:21,086 --> 00:22:40,175 [Devilwalk] I mean obviously Stockholm had the simple is he going to get the major kind of deal right but here we had kind of two 397 00:22:21,478 --> 00:22:29,674 [BanKs] And that's such a positive sign to see since 2021, it's been five years and we had 2021 that good because obviously it was just after COVID, right? 398 00:22:29,776 --> 00:22:30,877 [BanKs] That was a huge factor. 399 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:36,580 [BanKs] Yep. 400 00:22:40,155 --> 00:22:55,616 [Devilwalk] incredible storylines you know was it like 10 years from fallen winning it to coming back being in the final with nico never won a major in his career before that point 401 00:22:46,711 --> 00:22:46,892 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 402 00:22:55,596 --> 00:22:59,949 [Devilwalk] Those storylines in itself, you know, like it brings people back. 403 00:22:55,833 --> 00:22:57,256 [BanKs] Yeah, Carraghan to deliver a mitt. 404 00:22:59,969 --> 00:23:00,770 [Devilwalk] They want to watch this. 405 00:23:00,851 --> 00:23:02,134 [Devilwalk] Is he fucking going to do it? 406 00:23:02,496 --> 00:23:06,465 [Devilwalk] You know, whatever way it went, it would have been incredible, right? 407 00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:09,643 [BanKs] We even have Major League Baseball tweeting. 408 00:23:09,782 --> 00:23:10,423 [BanKs] Did you see that? 409 00:23:11,199 --> 00:23:11,579 [Devilwalk] No. 410 00:23:12,729 --> 00:23:13,411 [BanKs] Let me bring it up. 411 00:23:13,431 --> 00:23:15,816 [BanKs] So there's a counter-strike replied to him. 412 00:23:16,336 --> 00:23:17,538 [BanKs] Or like shared it. 413 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,342 [BanKs] Here we go. 414 00:23:18,402 --> 00:23:24,739 [BanKs] MLB on June the 22nd said, still riding the high of Nico winning his first major. 415 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,366 [BanKs] Baseball is here to keep the good vibes going. 416 00:23:27,426 --> 00:23:28,589 [BanKs] And they tweeted the schedule. 417 00:23:28,047 --> 00:23:39,863 [Devilwalk] what the hell that's crazy that's pretty wild 418 00:23:30,005 --> 00:23:36,178 [BanKs] Yeah, and then CS2 like quote retweeted him and said, MLB knows ball and Counter-Strike. 419 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:38,844 [BanKs] How wild is that, man? 420 00:23:39,987 --> 00:23:41,128 [BanKs] I hope that's a crossover coming. 421 00:23:41,148 --> 00:23:42,372 [BanKs] I hope that's something they've got planned. 422 00:23:42,612 --> 00:23:43,934 [BanKs] Otherwise, we will win baited. 423 00:23:44,355 --> 00:23:47,102 [BanKs] But I mean, just those little things. 424 00:23:46,271 --> 00:23:51,928 [Devilwalk] Maybe we're going back to outdoors arenas again with MLB. 425 00:23:50,692 --> 00:23:51,895 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah, there we go. 426 00:23:53,759 --> 00:24:01,596 [BanKs] So this was, this was like little things like that also just have such a crazy impact of like, they're talking about Niko on MLB. 427 00:24:01,616 --> 00:24:04,482 [BanKs] Like, I don't, how many, how many followers does MLB Twitter have? 428 00:24:04,852 --> 00:24:06,094 [BanKs] 13.2 million. 429 00:24:06,535 --> 00:24:08,096 [BanKs] Like, come on, man. 430 00:24:06,791 --> 00:24:25,119 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 431 00:24:08,278 --> 00:24:08,838 [BanKs] Come on. 432 00:24:08,939 --> 00:24:10,842 [BanKs] That is super good. 433 00:24:10,862 --> 00:24:12,084 [BanKs] But let's get into the games. 434 00:24:12,104 --> 00:24:14,448 [BanKs] Let's go and see what we did for playoffs. 435 00:24:14,468 --> 00:24:16,431 [BanKs] First team we'll look at here is Betboom. 436 00:24:17,192 --> 00:24:20,156 [BanKs] Obviously, a fantastic run, right? 437 00:24:20,317 --> 00:24:23,603 [BanKs] All the way from stage one, doing it with a stand-in as well. 438 00:24:24,595 --> 00:24:29,104 [BanKs] This for Betboom and Aurora was looking at, like, the best draw possible. 439 00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:25,240 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 440 00:24:29,846 --> 00:24:34,013 [BanKs] Because Betboom, nothing to lose at this stage, right? 441 00:24:34,074 --> 00:24:37,019 [BanKs] Boomish back on a major playoff stage. 442 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,811 [BanKs] But Aurora, with a point to prove, need to keep this going where it's not just heavily relying on Zantaras. 443 00:24:43,333 --> 00:24:43,953 [BanKs] And... 444 00:24:44,288 --> 00:24:46,240 [BanKs] The game didn't really deliver. 445 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,964 [BanKs] There were some moments in it where he felt like maybe Betboom had a chance. 446 00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:50,990 [BanKs] Yeah. 447 00:24:51,291 --> 00:24:55,137 [BanKs] But I would say it just looked like Aurora had a lot of control. 448 00:24:55,178 --> 00:24:56,820 [BanKs] Everyone was playing really well. 449 00:24:57,121 --> 00:25:02,008 [BanKs] The only one who had, like, I guess you could say a slower game was Soulfly. 450 00:25:02,028 --> 00:25:06,736 [BanKs] But just because I was personally watching him as, like, he played so well. 451 00:25:06,776 --> 00:25:08,157 [BanKs] He looked like he's so back, right? 452 00:25:08,178 --> 00:25:09,420 [BanKs] Let's see what he does on the stage. 453 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,801 [BanKs] But... 454 00:25:10,781 --> 00:25:22,336 [BanKs] This wasn't even a game where I could say, oh, Aurora are getting past their stage fright, you know, because it's not against like a opposition that should be a problem for them. 455 00:25:22,596 --> 00:25:24,301 [BanKs] I think that's the way I framed it in my mind. 456 00:25:22,914 --> 00:25:34,776 [Devilwalk] I think we framed it correctly when we analyzed this game beforehand and said it was basically who is going to shit the bed most. 457 00:25:35,076 --> 00:25:40,906 [Devilwalk] And today it was, or that day, it was Batboom, right? 458 00:25:40,886 --> 00:25:48,414 [Devilwalk] Because you could see, you know, Boomich, you know, obviously, you know, if you look back on that Anubis, you know, he had a terrible showing. 459 00:25:41,021 --> 00:25:41,343 [BanKs] Yep. 460 00:25:48,434 --> 00:25:51,285 [Devilwalk] I think it was 0-15 at one point. 461 00:25:50,654 --> 00:25:52,821 [BanKs] Yeah. 462 00:25:51,265 --> 00:26:11,281 [Devilwalk] um and you you could see it they weren't as sharp and i mean what took betboom to this you know playoff in the first place was sharp shooting you know you had boomage you know ending it what was it a 2-2 game with a 187 rating or something like that 463 00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:53,344 [BanKs] Wasn't pretty. 464 00:26:11,211 --> 00:26:26,537 [BanKs] Yep. 465 00:26:11,261 --> 00:26:17,896 [Devilwalk] to bring them to this point so it's like a lot of it 466 00:26:18,788 --> 00:26:19,890 [Devilwalk] kind of got toned down. 467 00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:20,692 [Devilwalk] They looked nervous. 468 00:26:20,711 --> 00:26:22,075 [Devilwalk] They looked edgy. 469 00:26:22,095 --> 00:26:25,221 [Devilwalk] Nothing they did worked, and they couldn't really figure out their nerves. 470 00:26:25,982 --> 00:26:31,513 [Devilwalk] And Aurora, they figured it out more than Batboom at this point. 471 00:26:32,035 --> 00:26:33,337 [Devilwalk] I think that's fair to say. 472 00:26:32,186 --> 00:26:32,496 [BanKs] Yeah. 473 00:26:34,364 --> 00:26:35,025 [BanKs] Do you know what? 474 00:26:35,045 --> 00:26:36,988 [BanKs] We were so positive also about Flammas. 475 00:26:37,548 --> 00:26:41,012 [BanKs] And I'll just say this is obviously... He's a player when it comes to big events. 476 00:26:41,493 --> 00:26:43,336 [BanKs] He's had only three in his whole career. 477 00:26:43,616 --> 00:26:44,438 [BanKs] Two on Betboom. 478 00:26:44,518 --> 00:26:45,159 [BanKs] Two this year. 479 00:26:45,539 --> 00:26:48,443 [BanKs] And one with Virtus.pro going like big event playoffs. 480 00:26:48,923 --> 00:26:51,327 [BanKs] PGL Bucharest that he had also a bad show. 481 00:26:51,347 --> 00:26:53,570 [BanKs] It wasn't even a... 482 00:26:53,652 --> 00:26:54,733 [BanKs] a stage or an arena. 483 00:26:55,255 --> 00:27:01,906 [BanKs] So in playoffs, he has not performed up to scratch and he definitely had the same problems again, you know? 484 00:26:55,508 --> 00:26:55,769 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 485 00:27:01,946 --> 00:27:10,040 [BanKs] So I will say right now, it's something he needs to overcome. 486 00:27:10,155 --> 00:27:13,867 [BanKs] I'm not going to say that's 100% the reason why they failed. 487 00:27:14,249 --> 00:27:21,090 [BanKs] But I mean, they all had a bit of a downswing in performance and a few more struggles in it. 488 00:27:21,412 --> 00:27:23,337 [BanKs] And I thought they might actually... 489 00:27:23,317 --> 00:27:31,270 [BanKs] Considering like the whole team overall, they're not out of experience, but it's just a major hits different and it's a lot to go through. 490 00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:40,365 [BanKs] And when you start like letting the individuals of Aurora open up to you and not able to shut them down and challenge them head on very early on, then that becomes a problem. 491 00:27:42,067 --> 00:27:49,840 [Devilwalk] And I mean, on the other side, Vikadia does seem to be, you know, getting better and better in this Aurora. 492 00:27:50,481 --> 00:28:01,141 [Devilwalk] Comparatively to, you know, when we first saw him, he's kind of had gradual growth throughout and looks to be, you know, the next superstar from Turkey. 493 00:27:50,977 --> 00:28:03,214 [BanKs] Yeah. 494 00:28:01,382 --> 00:28:02,083 [Devilwalk] I mean... 495 00:28:02,063 --> 00:28:05,709 [Devilwalk] I think he's growing into that role. 496 00:28:03,234 --> 00:28:03,737 [BanKs] Has to be. 497 00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:08,573 [Devilwalk] And I think that's great to see. 498 00:28:08,613 --> 00:28:14,301 [Devilwalk] I also think it's great to have Aurora in a semi-final. 499 00:28:15,022 --> 00:28:18,147 [Devilwalk] Even that... 500 00:28:15,731 --> 00:28:17,217 [BanKs] Well, we'll come onto that in a bit, right? 501 00:28:17,416 --> 00:28:18,922 [BanKs] We're still talking bet boom for now. 502 00:28:19,262 --> 00:28:19,683 [BanKs] Yeah. 503 00:28:19,343 --> 00:28:20,204 [Devilwalk] Oh, true, true. 504 00:28:20,467 --> 00:28:21,509 [BanKs] You're jumping ahead. 505 00:28:21,868 --> 00:28:22,309 [Devilwalk] Yeah, yeah. 506 00:28:21,971 --> 00:28:27,690 [BanKs] You're, you're, you're going out of our, you're going out of our, from the bottom to the top, you know, moving our way through. 507 00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:28,813 [BanKs] Um, 508 00:28:28,183 --> 00:28:33,336 [Devilwalk] But in this game essentially it was fun to see them winning anyways. 509 00:28:34,092 --> 00:28:34,452 [BanKs] Yeah. 510 00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:38,159 [BanKs] For, for bedroom though, I think like, let's look at their VRS right now. 511 00:28:38,179 --> 00:28:39,381 [BanKs] 10th in the world. 512 00:28:39,882 --> 00:28:41,365 [BanKs] Tons of invites for next season. 513 00:28:41,945 --> 00:28:43,008 [BanKs] Tell me, tell you this, right? 514 00:28:43,528 --> 00:28:44,609 [BanKs] Do they keep flammers now? 515 00:28:45,922 --> 00:28:46,603 [Devilwalk] I think so. 516 00:28:47,596 --> 00:28:48,196 [BanKs] I hope so. 517 00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:52,183 [BanKs] Like if I'm going to compare flammers to siren. 518 00:28:52,503 --> 00:28:52,765 [BanKs] Yeah. 519 00:28:52,845 --> 00:28:52,944 [BanKs] Yeah. 520 00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:55,592 [BanKs] Dilla Dez had some good moments. 521 00:28:56,413 --> 00:28:59,438 [BanKs] I'm saying considering he was out for a lot of the games in the past, right? 522 00:28:59,858 --> 00:29:00,720 [BanKs] Wasn't able to travel. 523 00:29:00,371 --> 00:29:00,471 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 524 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:08,873 [BanKs] I think like you just either remove Siren or Dilla Dez and you keep Flammas and you make it work. 525 00:29:10,390 --> 00:29:18,849 [Devilwalk] I think the... The bad thing, I guess, is... So, let's say you don't keep them. 526 00:29:10,675 --> 00:29:12,097 [BanKs] I really think that's a positive. 527 00:29:19,371 --> 00:29:25,125 [Devilwalk] And you don't... You know, you continue with your old lineup and... You know... 528 00:29:19,823 --> 00:29:34,913 [BanKs] Yeah. 529 00:29:25,105 --> 00:29:26,547 [Devilwalk] That's a gamble, right? 530 00:29:26,606 --> 00:29:35,902 [Devilwalk] You know what you can do with this, and you know you can probably improve it and do it better over time as you get used to each other and develop all of that. 531 00:29:37,483 --> 00:29:44,295 [Devilwalk] Whilst if you go back, because they qualified with this major with standards. 532 00:29:44,713 --> 00:29:57,845 [BanKs] Yeah. 533 00:29:46,907 --> 00:29:59,634 [Devilwalk] So for me, it just makes no sense for them to revert back to the old, which they trialed for a long time and never really got the ground running or hit the ground running, so to speak. 534 00:29:57,865 --> 00:29:58,065 [BanKs] Yeah. 535 00:30:01,183 --> 00:30:13,636 [Devilwalk] I just see it being a massive risk to take the biggest achievement that you've ever done with this team and kind of dissect different parts out of it just to keep your original lineup. 536 00:30:13,817 --> 00:30:14,880 [Devilwalk] That doesn't make sense to me. 537 00:30:15,493 --> 00:30:32,417 [BanKs] You see? 538 00:30:15,501 --> 00:30:16,644 [Devilwalk] I think 539 00:30:16,625 --> 00:30:34,616 [Devilwalk] for them they kind of have to take this you know what they did the the how big this actually was it's it's going from you know is betboom even going to qualify to the major to being ranked 10th in the world they can swing with this it's a huge 540 00:30:32,458 --> 00:30:34,701 [BanKs] Yeah, keep going on it. 541 00:30:36,148 --> 00:30:49,720 [Devilwalk] growth and it's a huge achievement and the way they did it they played good teams they battled good teams they made you know they made a mark on this major and I think they just have to keep going 542 00:30:50,662 --> 00:30:52,104 [BanKs] Yeah, I would like to see it as well. 543 00:30:52,124 --> 00:30:55,128 [BanKs] And I think their name is Betboom, right? 544 00:30:55,288 --> 00:31:00,557 [BanKs] So with that company behind you, you can buy Flammas out of his OG, right? 545 00:31:00,596 --> 00:31:02,239 [BanKs] That's not a problem. 546 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,401 [BanKs] Surely not. 547 00:31:03,682 --> 00:31:04,782 [BanKs] Or is he still on Virtus.pro? 548 00:31:04,803 --> 00:31:05,263 [BanKs] Yeah, he's okay. 549 00:31:05,304 --> 00:31:07,287 [BanKs] He was loaned by Virtus.pro. 550 00:31:07,267 --> 00:31:09,757 [BanKs] So he was even on loan for a little bit at OG. 551 00:31:07,739 --> 00:31:08,048 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 552 00:31:09,897 --> 00:31:11,021 [BanKs] I just remember him being on OG. 553 00:31:11,443 --> 00:31:12,488 [BanKs] So yeah, just let him go. 554 00:31:12,628 --> 00:31:14,134 [BanKs] Let him have his time. 555 00:31:14,174 --> 00:31:15,420 [BanKs] Boombl4 can do some work with him. 556 00:31:16,061 --> 00:31:17,749 [BanKs] I want to see that team continue. 557 00:31:17,729 --> 00:31:20,355 [BanKs] Next was 9Z. 558 00:31:20,616 --> 00:31:26,272 [BanKs] Now, I was definitely blindsided in terms of blind confidence, like I always do on some teams. 559 00:31:26,673 --> 00:31:28,859 [BanKs] I really believe that 9Z were going to make a run of it. 560 00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:31,688 [BanKs] They were competitive against Furia. 561 00:31:30,267 --> 00:31:33,071 [Devilwalk] I mean, they were competitive, yes. 562 00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:33,314 [BanKs] Yeah. 563 00:31:34,215 --> 00:31:36,642 [BanKs] And then it just comes down to somebody's experience again, you know? 564 00:31:36,962 --> 00:31:42,637 [BanKs] When they won that first map and the scoreline that was there, I actually thought, okay, they're kind of cooking. 565 00:31:42,657 --> 00:31:44,142 [BanKs] I don't care that it was their map pick. 566 00:31:44,321 --> 00:31:45,525 [BanKs] I was just thinking... 567 00:31:45,943 --> 00:31:48,512 [BanKs] You know, I was also sat with the Argentinians, right? 568 00:31:48,532 --> 00:31:49,234 [BanKs] I'm in their booth. 569 00:31:49,856 --> 00:31:53,490 [BanKs] And even they were saying like, this is still going to be such a hard game. 570 00:31:53,529 --> 00:31:56,780 [BanKs] But I thought with it being like more of a domestic matchup, there would be a chance. 571 00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,586 [BanKs] I just felt like, 572 00:31:58,567 --> 00:32:01,914 [BanKs] Once it got to overpass, it doesn't matter that 90 can play overpass, right? 573 00:32:01,934 --> 00:32:04,240 [BanKs] We've seen them play against good teams many times. 574 00:32:05,222 --> 00:32:08,069 [BanKs] It wasn't one where I felt like they would beat Fury. 575 00:32:08,109 --> 00:32:14,144 [BanKs] I'm just thinking to how good Yuri and Quezada can be on overpass just in general, right? 576 00:32:14,125 --> 00:32:18,214 [BanKs] And it needed to happen on Mirage for them. 577 00:32:14,327 --> 00:32:14,671 [Devilwalk] Yep. 578 00:32:18,556 --> 00:32:24,249 [BanKs] I feel like they actually handled the stage pretty well, considering to what we saw in Astana. 579 00:32:24,269 --> 00:32:25,993 [BanKs] You lost to Magic last time, you know? 580 00:32:26,034 --> 00:32:31,205 [BanKs] Taking a map here, enjoying this whole moment, knowing that, like... 581 00:32:31,185 --> 00:32:46,865 [BanKs] you've hit a big goal for yourselves like my expectations were higher but if we're looking at realistic analytical um thoughts on 9z most people would have predicted furia to win and rightly so yeah that would be the the same pick in there but i feel like 582 00:32:46,846 --> 00:32:50,393 [BanKs] This is a team right now that's just going to be grinding, going to be pushing forward. 583 00:32:50,773 --> 00:32:51,796 [BanKs] Where did they move up to? 584 00:32:51,816 --> 00:32:55,242 [BanKs] I think they're like eighth in the world. 585 00:32:54,557 --> 00:32:55,219 [Devilwalk] Day 12? 586 00:32:55,239 --> 00:32:56,260 [Devilwalk] 12? 587 00:32:56,842 --> 00:32:57,584 [Devilwalk] According to this? 588 00:32:58,424 --> 00:32:58,705 [Devilwalk] Wait. 589 00:32:58,965 --> 00:32:59,907 [Devilwalk] Maybe it's updated. 590 00:32:58,971 --> 00:32:59,592 [BanKs] Oh, it says 12th. 591 00:32:59,652 --> 00:33:00,374 [BanKs] Yeah, it says 12th. 592 00:33:02,317 --> 00:33:02,939 [BanKs] You might be right. 593 00:33:02,532 --> 00:33:02,993 [Devilwalk] It is 12. 594 00:33:02,959 --> 00:33:05,022 [BanKs] 12th, yep, 12th overall. 595 00:33:04,958 --> 00:33:05,338 [Devilwalk] Okay. 596 00:33:06,461 --> 00:33:07,722 [Devilwalk] I'm just checking on the, like, 597 00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:07,049 [BanKs] 12. 598 00:33:07,069 --> 00:33:09,154 [BanKs] 12 is damn good. 599 00:33:09,998 --> 00:33:14,885 [Devilwalk] I'm scrolling down to the VRS ranking based on the event of Cologne. 600 00:33:16,348 --> 00:33:23,019 [Devilwalk] Because there you see the points, for example, 9C plus 35 points from this stage, I presume. 601 00:33:23,059 --> 00:33:26,826 [Devilwalk] There's three in playoffs. 602 00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:25,307 [BanKs] From three in playoffs or just playoffs? 603 00:33:27,446 --> 00:33:27,788 [BanKs] Okay. 604 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,866 [Devilwalk] And I think they jumped up quite massively from stage 2 as well. 605 00:33:29,353 --> 00:33:30,095 [BanKs] That's pretty solid. 606 00:33:34,146 --> 00:33:35,469 [Devilwalk] I mean, I can check real quick. 607 00:33:34,587 --> 00:33:34,828 [BanKs] Yeah. 608 00:33:36,834 --> 00:33:38,419 [BanKs] This major run is crazy for them. 609 00:33:37,112 --> 00:33:40,936 [Devilwalk] Stage 2, 51 points. 610 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:42,759 [Devilwalk] Were they in stage 3? 611 00:33:44,305 --> 00:33:45,848 [BanKs] So they peaked at 8, by the way. 612 00:33:45,888 --> 00:33:49,376 [BanKs] They peaked at 8 during the major, and they're already back down to 12. 613 00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:48,307 [Devilwalk] Or I mean stage 1. 614 00:33:50,178 --> 00:33:50,920 [BanKs] So I was right. 615 00:33:51,019 --> 00:33:54,548 [BanKs] On the 15th of June, they were 15th. 616 00:33:51,595 --> 00:33:51,903 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 617 00:33:55,651 --> 00:34:03,208 [BanKs] Then they went to 8th on the 22nd, and now they're already 12 here in this predicted one. 618 00:34:02,497 --> 00:34:06,344 [Devilwalk] Obviously, massive buff for them and their season. 619 00:34:06,866 --> 00:34:07,175 [BanKs] Sure. 620 00:34:07,487 --> 00:34:16,224 [Devilwalk] I hope to see them at plenty of more events, because I think we need a kind of diversity in Counter-Strike, and I love when this happens, right? 621 00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:22,074 [Devilwalk] It doesn't matter if it's the Mongols, 9C, whoever it is. 622 00:34:22,054 --> 00:34:27,286 [Devilwalk] that comes in, like Batboom now, and shakes up the pro scene a little bit. 623 00:34:27,867 --> 00:34:31,456 [Devilwalk] New faces, new kind of ways to play Counter-Strike. 624 00:34:27,893 --> 00:34:28,237 [BanKs] Yep. 625 00:34:31,476 --> 00:34:33,920 [Devilwalk] You know, Paravision was a great... 626 00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:36,925 [Devilwalk] an example when they kind of burst into the scene last year. 627 00:34:36,965 --> 00:34:47,123 [Devilwalk] And I love this because it changes things in Counter-Strike and we don't get to see the same teams always play each other. 628 00:34:47,143 --> 00:34:53,293 [Devilwalk] There's some others potentially that could do some damage, you know? 629 00:34:54,168 --> 00:34:55,309 [BanKs] And look at this, right? 630 00:34:55,329 --> 00:34:55,971 [BanKs] Lutrov. 631 00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:56,992 [BanKs] Remember we were hyping him up? 632 00:34:57,514 --> 00:35:00,418 [BanKs] I was talking about him from when we saw him in Astana first time. 633 00:34:57,711 --> 00:34:58,019 [Devilwalk] Yep. 634 00:35:00,438 --> 00:35:04,827 [BanKs] 12th best player of stage three interplayoffs of the major. 635 00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:13,864 [BanKs] The names among him are like Yuri, Bit, Yakinda above him, Kioski, Torzy, Juggs, Quezarato, Rops below him. 636 00:35:14,181 --> 00:35:17,688 [BanKs] You know, that's good company, man, for your first major. 637 00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:21,275 [BanKs] Like, that is actually wild. 638 00:35:21,998 --> 00:35:24,222 [BanKs] And that is something that he shows. 639 00:35:22,382 --> 00:35:23,106 [Devilwalk] It is wild. 640 00:35:24,563 --> 00:35:27,367 [BanKs] It wasn't a one-off thing, what he did in Astana. 641 00:35:27,387 --> 00:35:28,630 [BanKs] He showed he can keep it going. 642 00:35:29,152 --> 00:35:31,896 [BanKs] And now the main thing is how they keep this going. 643 00:35:29,409 --> 00:35:29,911 [Devilwalk] I mean... 644 00:35:31,916 --> 00:35:32,958 [BanKs] Because I spoke to them, by the way. 645 00:35:32,978 --> 00:35:33,860 [BanKs] Guess what they're doing? 646 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,503 [BanKs] They left the major on Monday. 647 00:35:36,523 --> 00:35:37,625 [BanKs] So they stayed the whole time. 648 00:35:37,925 --> 00:35:39,126 [BanKs] They were on the Argentinian stream. 649 00:35:39,146 --> 00:35:40,750 [BanKs] They were watching the games from the arena. 650 00:35:41,271 --> 00:35:44,014 [BanKs] And then Monday, they flew back home to Argentina. 651 00:35:44,757 --> 00:35:46,780 [BanKs] Max has a child and a wife, right? 652 00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:48,402 [BanKs] So he's spending time with them. 653 00:35:48,443 --> 00:35:51,748 [BanKs] And they are going to China for XSE Pro League in a few days. 654 00:35:52,065 --> 00:35:52,568 [Devilwalk] Oh wow. 655 00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:54,001 [BanKs] So that grind don't stop. 656 00:35:54,405 --> 00:35:56,827 [BanKs] And they've got to be like the massive favourites for that whole event. 657 00:35:58,485 --> 00:36:00,050 [Devilwalk] I mean definitely up there. 658 00:36:01,172 --> 00:36:01,755 [Devilwalk] Definitely. 659 00:36:02,409 --> 00:36:04,155 [BanKs] But we'll cover that in another episode. 660 00:36:04,697 --> 00:36:09,452 [BanKs] So after 9Z, the next to fall after them was G2. 661 00:36:10,273 --> 00:36:14,547 [BanKs] And G2, oh, it's got to be crushing. 662 00:36:13,597 --> 00:36:14,722 [Devilwalk] Dude, this one hurts. 663 00:36:14,742 --> 00:36:21,532 [Devilwalk] 100%. 664 00:36:15,978 --> 00:36:26,916 [BanKs] broke because the thing is they could have had this 2-0 you know even if they gave us even if they gave us this amazing amazing mirage afterwards 665 00:36:25,393 --> 00:36:29,701 [Devilwalk] G2 played better Counter-Strike than Spirit did. 666 00:36:29,721 --> 00:36:30,702 [Devilwalk] And that's just a fact. 667 00:36:31,182 --> 00:36:32,304 [Devilwalk] That is a fact. 668 00:36:32,905 --> 00:36:33,947 [Devilwalk] They played better. 669 00:36:34,088 --> 00:36:42,501 [Devilwalk] The only thing that bailed them out was the fact that you have a donk going absolutely bonkers. 670 00:36:43,643 --> 00:36:44,043 [Devilwalk] You know... 671 00:36:43,822 --> 00:36:48,447 [BanKs] But, bro, he was getting killed over and over again by Heavy God. 672 00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:52,954 [BanKs] I can't remember if it was Overpass or Dust2, but, like, I just kept seeing the kill feed. 673 00:36:53,215 --> 00:36:53,996 [BanKs] Heavy God kills Dom. 674 00:36:54,275 --> 00:36:55,518 [BanKs] Heavy God kills Dom, you know? 675 00:36:55,838 --> 00:37:01,065 [BanKs] And it was only till Mirage, when Heavy God slowed down a little bit, that those cracks started to show. 676 00:37:01,085 --> 00:37:02,708 [BanKs] But, I mean, up until that point, 677 00:37:02,688 --> 00:37:08,398 [BanKs] Your like anchor, Mr. I can do everything heavy God was just so solid. 678 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:10,001 [BanKs] It was so damn good. 679 00:37:09,302 --> 00:37:26,248 [Devilwalk] I mean there were so many moments that G2 had to end this game so many moments where they had advantage where you know it just looked like okay G2 have this now they have it um 680 00:37:16,054 --> 00:37:16,494 [BanKs] Yeah. 681 00:37:27,545 --> 00:37:30,500 [Devilwalk] And oh man, the three last rounds. 682 00:37:31,706 --> 00:37:33,132 [Devilwalk] The way that this... 683 00:37:34,226 --> 00:37:50,547 [Devilwalk] ends is just painful I mean obviously at a magical moment for all of Counter-Strike to see but it's I mean I was watching this and I was watching it with Michael Lele and we were talking you know on Discord while watching it 684 00:37:50,527 --> 00:37:55,161 [Devilwalk] And we both just fucking screamed so much when this happened. 685 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:51,782 [BanKs] Yep. 686 00:37:56,646 --> 00:38:04,166 [Devilwalk] Because you can see, you know, in some sense, what G2 are doing, it's not... 687 00:38:04,248 --> 00:38:07,594 [Devilwalk] It's not like... It's terrible, but it's not terrible. 688 00:38:07,634 --> 00:38:10,518 [Devilwalk] The idea is not terrible to go and trade all four, right? 689 00:38:11,115 --> 00:38:11,436 [BanKs] Yeah. 690 00:38:11,621 --> 00:38:17,692 [Devilwalk] But it's such a... You can see how stressed they are to go into that situation. 691 00:38:18,914 --> 00:38:23,842 [Devilwalk] And, I mean, if just the last, you know... 692 00:38:24,717 --> 00:38:29,385 [Devilwalk] The last two guys just hesitate a little bit, wait for the spray. 693 00:38:29,887 --> 00:38:33,393 [Devilwalk] So he has to kind of change position and get into movement again. 694 00:38:30,492 --> 00:38:30,592 [BanKs] Yeah. 695 00:38:33,474 --> 00:38:35,918 [Devilwalk] Because he's not just staying there with like five bullets after. 696 00:38:35,958 --> 00:38:38,242 [Devilwalk] Because he's just holding and praying, right? 697 00:38:38,452 --> 00:38:39,891 [BanKs] Yeah, he's just spraying down them. 698 00:38:38,824 --> 00:38:42,692 [Devilwalk] And they just all move into his crosshair and the bullets. 699 00:38:43,972 --> 00:38:50,266 [Devilwalk] And you can feel the stress when you see G2's players move into that kitchen. 700 00:38:50,648 --> 00:38:51,630 [Devilwalk] Like, he's here! 701 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:56,782 [Devilwalk] And everyone wants to come chime in and help and it just goes so badly. 702 00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:58,786 [BanKs] Thing is, they had the right idea, right? 703 00:38:59,108 --> 00:39:00,641 [BanKs] Low HP guy goes first. 704 00:39:01,063 --> 00:39:01,929 [BanKs] Yeah. 705 00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:06,697 [BanKs] And then all Magix did was do great spray control, hold mouse one. 706 00:39:07,438 --> 00:39:12,226 [BanKs] And like you said, if there was just a little bit of waiting or something for it to happen, then it could have been a completely different scenario. 707 00:39:12,586 --> 00:39:21,099 [BanKs] But it's that in the moment, quick second thinking, like, and obviously it's a crushing mental moment for them as well, you know? 708 00:39:20,842 --> 00:39:21,324 [Devilwalk] Yes. 709 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,525 [BanKs] Where you're losing a 1v4 to him like that. 710 00:39:23,664 --> 00:39:24,347 [BanKs] And it's magics. 711 00:39:24,646 --> 00:39:27,934 [BanKs] Nothing against magics, but it's like 1v4 against magics. 712 00:39:27,954 --> 00:39:29,096 [BanKs] It's not like it was Donk. 713 00:39:29,217 --> 00:39:34,708 [BanKs] It's not the Shiro or someone like that, you know, where you can say, okay, it's like, this is one you basically should have. 714 00:39:35,632 --> 00:39:38,277 [Devilwalk] But just put it into perspective. 715 00:39:35,971 --> 00:39:37,653 [BanKs] Could have been a completely different outcome. 716 00:39:38,443 --> 00:39:42,572 [Devilwalk] after the first guy, they did the right thing, jumps, he has to kill him. 717 00:39:41,887 --> 00:39:42,230 [BanKs] Yep. 718 00:39:43,454 --> 00:39:48,344 [Devilwalk] Imagine just putting a 1v3, you know exactly where the last opponent is. 719 00:39:49,889 --> 00:39:55,119 [Devilwalk] Just saying that out loud almost makes it seem impossible. 720 00:39:55,672 --> 00:39:56,996 [BanKs] Yeah. 721 00:39:57,016 --> 00:39:57,197 [BanKs] Yeah. 722 00:39:58,420 --> 00:39:59,824 [BanKs] But looking at this, right? 723 00:40:00,204 --> 00:40:06,461 [BanKs] So for G2, who had not made major playoffs for the last couple of majors, it was always going out in ninth to 11th. 724 00:40:06,782 --> 00:40:08,286 [BanKs] Yeah. 725 00:40:07,164 --> 00:40:07,474 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 726 00:40:09,128 --> 00:40:12,197 [BanKs] This is a positive showing. 727 00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:25,755 [BanKs] But do we hold it against them a little bit that, like, even with Saw being able to chime in, Spirit not having a coach, that you couldn't get it over in these closer games? 728 00:40:25,896 --> 00:40:31,688 [BanKs] We have criticized G2 to losing these close games versus Vitality before, you know? 729 00:40:32,849 --> 00:40:41,306 [BanKs] Is it still they need a little bit more time or do we be a bit harsher on them because this is a similar problem? 730 00:40:33,338 --> 00:40:33,849 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 731 00:40:43,496 --> 00:40:53,422 [Devilwalk] I get your point, and I think the one thing you can criticize G2 for is closing out a series, being in these advantageous positions and not 732 00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:50,487 [BanKs] Yeah. 733 00:40:55,005 --> 00:40:59,755 [Devilwalk] Finding the right answer when you have so many tries and so many attempts. 734 00:40:59,775 --> 00:41:02,101 [Devilwalk] I think that you can be critical of. 735 00:41:03,184 --> 00:41:10,398 [Devilwalk] But at the same time, I think they are playing teams that are just a little bit above their league. 736 00:41:10,378 --> 00:41:13,586 [Devilwalk] I think this still shows that G2 has progressed. 737 00:41:10,429 --> 00:41:20,911 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 738 00:41:14,228 --> 00:41:19,760 [Devilwalk] I think it still shows that they are more ready to tackle some of the best in the world. 739 00:41:20,322 --> 00:41:23,128 [Devilwalk] I think we saw that in both the Falcons game. 740 00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:27,038 [Devilwalk] Because remember, they... 741 00:41:27,507 --> 00:41:33,998 [Devilwalk] pushed Falcons, the winners of the major, to overtime on Ancient and couldn't close that one out. 742 00:41:30,697 --> 00:41:31,139 [BanKs] Yeah. 743 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:46,242 [Devilwalk] In a match, I also think they probably paid better CS overall, but this game again, it's the individuals on the other team 744 00:41:47,521 --> 00:41:50,067 [Devilwalk] that overpowers G2 to some extent. 745 00:41:50,086 --> 00:41:56,161 [Devilwalk] At some point, they get overpowered by the other team just having better players. 746 00:41:56,621 --> 00:42:01,833 [Devilwalk] Because I don't think there's a case to be made to say, okay... 747 00:41:56,954 --> 00:41:57,394 [BanKs] Yeah. 748 00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:03,519 [Devilwalk] G2, you play shit CS. 749 00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:04,583 [Devilwalk] This doesn't work. 750 00:42:04,804 --> 00:42:08,235 [Devilwalk] I don't think that's a case you can make because they play great CS. 751 00:42:08,757 --> 00:42:12,869 [Devilwalk] I think they're doing really good with the pieces they have. 752 00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:09,309 [BanKs] Yep. 753 00:42:12,849 --> 00:42:29,474 [Devilwalk] great to see also Mattis having you know a great showing on stage 119 rating for a best of 3 against Spirits probably more of a best of 5 if you look at the rounds but 754 00:42:28,054 --> 00:42:28,416 [BanKs] Yep. 755 00:42:29,454 --> 00:42:45,668 [Devilwalk] I think that's a great sign, because heavy gold doesn't maybe always need to be the guy, and it can't always be the guy, so you know, I still think somehow they lack a little bit of firepower. 756 00:42:36,494 --> 00:42:37,137 [BanKs] Exactly. 757 00:42:45,768 --> 00:42:49,336 [Devilwalk] I don't know how you would upgrade it, but 758 00:42:49,317 --> 00:42:55,414 [BanKs] I think so smart enough to think that they would give this another season and then look to adjust after that. 759 00:42:54,295 --> 00:42:54,655 [Devilwalk] 100%. 760 00:42:54,675 --> 00:42:55,757 [Devilwalk] 100%. 761 00:42:55,777 --> 00:43:13,637 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 762 00:42:55,855 --> 00:43:00,849 [BanKs] I don't think you make anything look like crazy change now because it is starting to look more positive. 763 00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:03,275 [BanKs] But I'm just looking down matches. 764 00:43:03,255 --> 00:43:17,349 [BanKs] two overtimes against spirit one overtime against navi um overtime against falcons you know they play a lot of overtime games overtime against mongols and they lost that one as well it's like 765 00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:22,023 [BanKs] It's a regularly occurring theme, but it shows that they can go deep and play like this, you know? 766 00:43:22,545 --> 00:43:23,969 [BanKs] And they can have these chances with it. 767 00:43:24,048 --> 00:43:26,215 [BanKs] So, I think top eight is great. 768 00:43:26,476 --> 00:43:29,905 [BanKs] It hurts because of the way they lost as a competitor and what they had to go through. 769 00:43:30,626 --> 00:43:30,967 [BanKs] But, 770 00:43:31,876 --> 00:43:34,690 [BanKs] This is at least showing that G2 is on the right track. 771 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:38,106 [BanKs] It's just they're going at their pace for it, I think. 772 00:43:38,126 --> 00:43:39,253 [BanKs] I think that's how I would sum it up. 773 00:43:40,211 --> 00:43:44,681 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I think you sum it up with they had a chance to win the major. 774 00:43:45,065 --> 00:43:46,273 [Devilwalk] And I don't think that 775 00:43:47,536 --> 00:43:53,146 [Devilwalk] Going into this playoff, I would have ever been able to even think in that aspect. 776 00:43:53,797 --> 00:44:02,423 [BanKs] Yeah. 777 00:43:53,967 --> 00:43:57,393 [Devilwalk] And for me, that's a great sign for G2, and it's something to build on. 778 00:43:57,432 --> 00:43:58,775 [Devilwalk] It's something to move forward with. 779 00:43:59,356 --> 00:44:04,565 [Devilwalk] So overall, super positive tournament for them, no matter how it ended. 780 00:44:02,443 --> 00:44:02,523 [BanKs] Yep. 781 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:13,195 [BanKs] And Heavy God, third highest rated player of that whole stage into playoffs, 1.26 rating, only had a bad map against Spirit at the end on Mirage. 782 00:44:13,215 --> 00:44:14,418 [BanKs] Bad by his numbers, right? 783 00:44:14,438 --> 00:44:15,900 [BanKs] I'm not going to say he played bad. 784 00:44:17,304 --> 00:44:19,929 [BanKs] But then anyone else on his team wasn't really close enough. 785 00:44:19,969 --> 00:44:22,393 [BanKs] We spoke about it in stage three, but it stayed the same way. 786 00:44:22,733 --> 00:44:24,056 [BanKs] Someone can have a good map. 787 00:44:24,036 --> 00:44:26,101 [BanKs] But it's always heavy goblins just consistently there. 788 00:44:27,322 --> 00:44:28,806 [BanKs] And he is just so valuable. 789 00:44:27,579 --> 00:44:27,889 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 790 00:44:28,826 --> 00:44:30,047 [BanKs] So, so damn valuable. 791 00:44:31,891 --> 00:44:37,202 [BanKs] So from G2, our last team eliminated in the quarter's 792 00:44:38,447 --> 00:44:44,099 [BanKs] Vitality, who I thought was going to somehow bounce back and win it all after losing to 9Z. 793 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,606 [BanKs] They obviously got an incredibly tough game, yeah? 794 00:44:48,188 --> 00:44:50,753 [BanKs] But normally in these kind of games... 795 00:44:50,733 --> 00:44:54,280 [BanKs] This is where vitality overcome the odds. 796 00:44:54,742 --> 00:44:58,251 [BanKs] This is where vitality play really strong, you know? 797 00:44:58,271 --> 00:45:00,275 [BanKs] One thing I'll say this. 798 00:44:59,878 --> 00:45:02,885 [Devilwalk] But you know what the stupidest thing about this game is? 799 00:45:03,543 --> 00:45:09,257 [BanKs] Yeah. 800 00:45:05,391 --> 00:45:08,277 [Devilwalk] You know, I look at Falcons here. 801 00:45:08,318 --> 00:45:15,193 [Devilwalk] Kerrigan has a 0-67 rating in this match. 802 00:45:09,277 --> 00:45:09,416 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 803 00:45:16,016 --> 00:45:17,179 [Devilwalk] But I still... 804 00:45:18,981 --> 00:45:24,235 [Devilwalk] would say that he was the reason Vitality lost. 805 00:45:22,626 --> 00:45:28,400 [BanKs] Yeah. 806 00:45:24,255 --> 00:45:24,536 [Devilwalk] His? 807 00:45:25,137 --> 00:45:27,523 [Devilwalk] Okay, so there's two situations I'm talking about. 808 00:45:27,784 --> 00:45:31,353 [Devilwalk] There's probably plenty more on other maps, but on Dust 2... 809 00:45:31,806 --> 00:45:35,773 [Devilwalk] Vitality have an anti-eco situation or anti-force buy. 810 00:45:36,375 --> 00:45:37,577 [Devilwalk] They flash mid doors. 811 00:45:38,338 --> 00:45:39,880 [Devilwalk] They don't clear Tessus. 812 00:45:40,561 --> 00:45:45,510 [Devilwalk] There's a 5-7 who gets a double kill in that area. 813 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:44,056 [BanKs] Oh yeah. 814 00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:46,811 [Devilwalk] They lose that round. 815 00:45:48,967 --> 00:45:51,952 [Devilwalk] Completely, you know, money is destroyed. 816 00:45:52,152 --> 00:45:53,655 [Devilwalk] They still find a way back. 817 00:45:53,016 --> 00:45:53,257 [BanKs] Yep. 818 00:45:54,295 --> 00:45:57,360 [Devilwalk] Force Falcons into another eco. 819 00:45:57,481 --> 00:46:07,416 [Devilwalk] And this, my friends, is Kerrigan running through CT smoke on a B-split anti-eco situation again and gets two... 820 00:46:07,396 --> 00:46:08,981 [Devilwalk] With a USP, no armor. 821 00:46:11,108 --> 00:46:11,489 [Devilwalk] Two! 822 00:46:12,407 --> 00:46:13,911 [BanKs] He had a couple of crazy plays. 823 00:46:13,952 --> 00:46:25,346 [BanKs] I remember on Dust2, I can't remember if it was against Vitality or not, but do you remember like they smoke B doors and he just runs through and he like kills the planter and then runs into another one somehow killing someone. 824 00:46:19,614 --> 00:46:20,898 [Devilwalk] It's like... 825 00:46:24,253 --> 00:46:24,916 [Devilwalk] Yes, yes. 826 00:46:25,898 --> 00:46:27,184 [Devilwalk] This was against Spirit. 827 00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:26,670 [BanKs] It's like, 828 00:46:27,485 --> 00:46:29,411 [Devilwalk] This was against Spirit, the next game. 829 00:46:27,815 --> 00:46:30,106 [BanKs] Yeah, tarragon madness. 830 00:46:30,728 --> 00:46:35,833 [BanKs] But looking on the vitality side, right, I'll say this. 831 00:46:31,056 --> 00:46:37,436 [Devilwalk] And... I did... 832 00:46:36,302 --> 00:46:38,007 [BanKs] Flamesy is an incredible player. 833 00:46:38,307 --> 00:46:40,873 [BanKs] We were hyping him up for how he's used in his role, right? 834 00:46:40,893 --> 00:46:43,239 [BanKs] We were even arguing at one point when Spirit were doing badly. 835 00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:44,581 [BanKs] Remember at the beginning of the year? 836 00:46:45,384 --> 00:46:48,851 [BanKs] Flamesy could be the one that actually has a chance to win entry of the year. 837 00:46:48,891 --> 00:46:52,641 [BanKs] But he got shut down in this series. 838 00:46:49,447 --> 00:46:53,853 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 839 00:46:53,532 --> 00:46:55,945 [BanKs] He got absolutely shut down in this series. 840 00:46:53,873 --> 00:46:54,396 [Devilwalk] He did. 841 00:46:55,965 --> 00:46:57,954 [BanKs] And it's not he didn't play bad. 842 00:46:58,034 --> 00:46:59,121 [BanKs] It felt like... 843 00:46:59,405 --> 00:47:10,375 [BanKs] The cooling style of Kerrigan, it felt like maybe a bit of the synergy was off, which we don't normally say for Vitality, right? 844 00:47:10,913 --> 00:47:12,358 [Devilwalk] But we saw these cracks. 845 00:47:10,996 --> 00:47:13,684 [BanKs] That under pressure, yeah, yeah. 846 00:47:12,699 --> 00:47:15,588 [Devilwalk] We saw these cracks early on in stage three. 847 00:47:15,648 --> 00:47:17,092 [Devilwalk] They were not themselves. 848 00:47:17,193 --> 00:47:23,032 [Devilwalk] It took longer for them to kind of pick back up because, I mean, that's the thing about vitality, right? 849 00:47:23,012 --> 00:47:26,420 [Devilwalk] They used to make maybe one, two mistakes a game. 850 00:47:27,081 --> 00:47:27,523 [Devilwalk] That's it. 851 00:47:28,125 --> 00:47:28,565 [Devilwalk] That's it. 852 00:47:28,686 --> 00:47:37,967 [Devilwalk] And then, you know, Apex would snap and all of a sudden, you know, they were back in shape, they're back on track and everything worked out and they played beautiful again. 853 00:47:32,125 --> 00:47:32,427 [BanKs] Yep. 854 00:47:38,744 --> 00:47:38,945 [BanKs] Yep. 855 00:47:39,195 --> 00:47:45,226 [Devilwalk] This time around, it felt like it took them not one round to reset and be back on track. 856 00:47:45,246 --> 00:47:49,014 [Devilwalk] It took them several rounds to kind of bounce back and start playing good again. 857 00:47:49,474 --> 00:47:50,858 [Devilwalk] And then another mistake happened. 858 00:47:50,978 --> 00:47:55,146 [Devilwalk] And they were constantly kind of struggling with that bounce back because 859 00:47:55,126 --> 00:47:59,327 [Devilwalk] There's some very uncharacteristic mistakes from Vitality in this series. 860 00:47:59,889 --> 00:48:02,864 [Devilwalk] Very, very uncharacteristic. 861 00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:03,264 [BanKs] Yep. 862 00:48:03,266 --> 00:48:03,869 [Devilwalk] And... 863 00:48:04,507 --> 00:48:09,599 [Devilwalk] Eventually, they are going to look back at this and just say, bro, we won this game. 864 00:48:10,019 --> 00:48:12,224 [Devilwalk] We should have won this game. 865 00:48:12,244 --> 00:48:12,865 [Devilwalk] 100%. 866 00:48:14,088 --> 00:48:20,222 [Devilwalk] And they'll be massively disappointed because there is nothing more that hurts you 867 00:48:21,485 --> 00:48:37,300 [Devilwalk] as a CS competitor than losing anti-ecos it is it does not matter who you're up against you have everything in your arsenal and you still lose it because of 868 00:48:37,347 --> 00:48:49,128 [BanKs] yeah yeah do you know I I I 869 00:48:38,697 --> 00:48:53,652 [Devilwalk] this much of a not clear you know this much I yeah but I still think Kerrigan is the MVP for this match even though he had 0-67 rating 870 00:48:54,474 --> 00:48:55,978 [BanKs] I don't give a damn about his ratings. 871 00:48:56,699 --> 00:48:58,101 [BanKs] I don't give a damn about his ratings at all. 872 00:48:58,882 --> 00:49:09,581 [BanKs] Also, looking at this, I saw Dan afterwards, Apex, and you could see he was lost by this because 873 00:49:04,465 --> 00:49:20,396 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 874 00:49:10,978 --> 00:49:13,985 [BanKs] People could look at it and say, oh, they had this era, they're winning. 875 00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:17,675 [BanKs] And by the way, still, just them losing this major doesn't change anything. 876 00:49:17,815 --> 00:49:20,481 [BanKs] They can just bounce back if they do and come into it. 877 00:49:20,416 --> 00:49:20,516 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 878 00:49:20,601 --> 00:49:21,824 [BanKs] That's a whole different thing. 879 00:49:22,505 --> 00:49:25,612 [BanKs] But the way he was hurt by this... 880 00:49:26,302 --> 00:49:29,027 [BanKs] The emotions, the feeling, how he was crushed. 881 00:49:29,367 --> 00:49:29,588 [BanKs] Yeah. 882 00:49:30,108 --> 00:49:31,050 [BanKs] I've got his tweet here. 883 00:49:31,070 --> 00:49:32,333 [BanKs] He says, still feel empty. 884 00:49:32,653 --> 00:49:35,219 [BanKs] Even if we won so much together, I want to win so much more. 885 00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:38,326 [BanKs] That is a competitor through and through. 886 00:49:38,987 --> 00:49:39,568 [BanKs] Yeah. 887 00:49:40,054 --> 00:49:42,521 [BanKs] He also thanked the Golden Hornets as well. 888 00:49:42,862 --> 00:49:52,224 [BanKs] I'll say this, by the way, Golden Hornets, you guys might be the luckiest fans in the world because your team lost in that 889 00:49:52,204 --> 00:50:08,155 [BanKs] quarterfinal game the next day they were in the vitality and skin club v-hub yeah which is like an area i was doing the podcasting from the evening like a little i'll say not our podcast but like a little mini podcast right um and all all players came 890 00:50:08,623 --> 00:50:12,574 [BanKs] All players were there the next day to meet fans, to spend time with them, you know? 891 00:50:12,594 --> 00:50:18,027 [BanKs] And he even made another post to say, like, thank you to them and how amazing they are as a cheering squad. 892 00:50:18,447 --> 00:50:23,079 [BanKs] Like, respect to the players for going to go do that when you probably feel like utter shit. 893 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:23,981 [BanKs] Yeah. 894 00:50:24,001 --> 00:50:24,101 [BanKs] Yeah. 895 00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:27,021 [Devilwalk] But they are an incredible support group. 896 00:50:27,675 --> 00:50:28,798 [BanKs] Definitely, definitely. 897 00:50:28,878 --> 00:50:31,025 [BanKs] No matter what the team's going through. 898 00:50:31,105 --> 00:50:33,610 [BanKs] And obviously Apex, he's been here with us, right? 899 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:34,032 [BanKs] He said it. 900 00:50:34,634 --> 00:50:35,295 [BanKs] They get some hate. 901 00:50:35,315 --> 00:50:39,585 [BanKs] They get some shouting at him and people saying, but like no one can forget what this team has done. 902 00:50:39,646 --> 00:50:43,034 [BanKs] And this major doesn't define it, but it does show that 903 00:50:43,014 --> 00:50:44,998 [BanKs] They're not like you said before, right? 904 00:50:45,018 --> 00:50:48,903 [BanKs] When they lost Atlanta, they showed that they can bleed. 905 00:50:47,891 --> 00:51:01,614 [Devilwalk] yes and this is a problem because I mean they've built up you know such a long time because I mean there's one thing of people saying you know oh vitality is dominant and it gets into your head 906 00:51:01,594 --> 00:51:10,775 [Devilwalk] But they've showcased it against the best teams in the world, making all the changes they want to make to compete with them, and they still can't compete with them. 907 00:51:02,065 --> 00:51:02,204 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 908 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:28,175 [BanKs] Bracket was kind of scuffed. 909 00:51:11,777 --> 00:51:17,068 [Devilwalk] And now, I think this showcases for a lot of teams. 910 00:51:17,148 --> 00:51:21,257 [Devilwalk] I mean, hell, Aurora finished above Vitality in the Major. 911 00:51:23,228 --> 00:51:24,992 [Devilwalk] you know, bet boom, we're on equal. 912 00:51:25,032 --> 00:51:27,018 [Devilwalk] It doesn't matter. 913 00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:28,704 [Devilwalk] At the end, it doesn't matter. 914 00:51:28,903 --> 00:51:34,059 [Devilwalk] It's still something that you can bring to yourself and say, this is facts. 915 00:51:29,438 --> 00:51:29,798 [BanKs] Yes. 916 00:51:30,922 --> 00:51:31,603 [BanKs] You can see it. 917 00:51:32,867 --> 00:51:33,128 [BanKs] Yeah. 918 00:51:33,148 --> 00:51:33,307 [BanKs] Yeah. 919 00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:35,483 [Devilwalk] This is facts. 920 00:51:35,072 --> 00:51:44,215 [BanKs] Yeah. 921 00:51:36,188 --> 00:51:41,056 [Devilwalk] If I'm Aurora, I shouldn't be scared to play Vitality because you know what? 922 00:51:41,496 --> 00:51:43,219 [Devilwalk] We finished above them last major. 923 00:51:44,235 --> 00:51:44,476 [BanKs] Yeah. 924 00:51:45,543 --> 00:51:49,429 [Devilwalk] No matter if it's false fucking confidence, it's confidence nonetheless. 925 00:51:50,009 --> 00:51:51,693 [BanKs] My trophy's better than theirs, you know? 926 00:51:51,713 --> 00:52:00,474 [BanKs] My major trophy in-game, that is. 927 00:51:52,594 --> 00:51:52,693 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 928 00:51:53,896 --> 00:51:55,057 [Devilwalk] They're probably going to 929 00:51:56,353 --> 00:51:56,914 [Devilwalk] deleted. 930 00:52:00,454 --> 00:52:04,884 [BanKs] I honestly don't think I'm worried about Vitality trying to bounce back. 931 00:52:05,324 --> 00:52:13,402 [BanKs] Definitely won't make any... Okay, I can't say 100%, but I'm almost 99% sure they won't make any changes going into the next season, right? 932 00:52:13,106 --> 00:52:13,467 [Devilwalk] So, 933 00:52:15,018 --> 00:52:15,798 [Devilwalk] I'll say this. 934 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:24,393 [Devilwalk] I'm not worried about them bouncing back, but they're not going to just bounce back and land on the throne again. 935 00:52:16,809 --> 00:52:17,028 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 936 00:52:24,434 --> 00:52:32,907 [Devilwalk] There's going to be other people definitely thinking, okay, it's time to go for number one again. 937 00:52:33,664 --> 00:52:34,085 [BanKs] Yeah. 938 00:52:34,222 --> 00:52:37,188 [Devilwalk] It's not a number two race anymore. 939 00:52:37,228 --> 00:52:39,452 [Devilwalk] This is exactly what happened with NIP. 940 00:52:39,994 --> 00:52:46,927 [Devilwalk] Back in the days, when they had 8-7-0, someone beat them on LAN, and everyone smelled blood. 941 00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:51,757 [Devilwalk] Everyone came for them, and they weren't bad. 942 00:52:47,878 --> 00:52:48,179 [BanKs] Yeah. 943 00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:53,753 [Devilwalk] After, definitely not. 944 00:52:54,373 --> 00:52:55,737 [Devilwalk] But they were never the same. 945 00:52:59,702 --> 00:53:11,721 [BanKs] I think that while we can say they won't be the same, we almost saw that and we almost had that same conversation last year and they then went on to win Budapest, you know? 946 00:53:11,588 --> 00:53:11,788 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 947 00:53:12,427 --> 00:53:17,257 [BanKs] So they know the system and way to bounce back and that harsh talk, the harsh look at each other. 948 00:53:17,878 --> 00:53:27,617 [BanKs] The thing is, I never think that I would say Vitality are tired or overworked or exhausted because they balance and manage their schedule so well. 949 00:53:27,597 --> 00:53:46,146 [BanKs] but maybe this just needs adjusting for them in a different way now going into the rest of 2026 and how we look at it but yeah for the people that are like oh it's over for vitality i need to make changes like it's that's not it's not something i'm even entertaining yeah 950 00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:44,920 [Devilwalk] They made a crucial mistake that they probably never will again. 951 00:53:44,981 --> 00:53:50,938 [Devilwalk] And that's taking a break and playing a tournament without any active practice hours. 952 00:53:50,918 --> 00:53:55,288 [Devilwalk] I think this snowballed into a bad situation for them. 953 00:53:51,036 --> 00:53:51,418 [BanKs] Yeah. 954 00:53:55,889 --> 00:53:57,713 [Devilwalk] And I'm sure they are going to adjust it. 955 00:53:57,873 --> 00:54:03,565 [Devilwalk] And I'm most certainly... I'm certain they will win trophies going further into the year. 956 00:54:03,985 --> 00:54:05,650 [Devilwalk] That's just a no-brainer. 957 00:54:04,425 --> 00:54:04,505 [BanKs] Mhm. 958 00:54:06,331 --> 00:54:07,914 [Devilwalk] But will they... 959 00:54:07,894 --> 00:54:14,478 [Devilwalk] From this point onwards, be able to match what they did, you know, the first part of last year? 960 00:54:14,518 --> 00:54:16,706 [Devilwalk] No, I don't think so. 961 00:54:18,086 --> 00:54:30,021 [BanKs] i i like what you said there because i don't know i haven't asked apex but i don't remember seeing any interviews about it but i will try to find out when we go into events next year okay i might just message dan and see like 962 00:54:30,135 --> 00:54:32,159 [BanKs] Why did they go into that? 963 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:36,528 [BanKs] I know why they attended Atlanta because, for example, if they didn't win Grand Slam in Rio, they need to have that there, right? 964 00:54:36,548 --> 00:54:37,329 [BanKs] We've already covered that. 965 00:54:37,731 --> 00:54:43,722 [BanKs] But, like, why did they want to just have that chill time rather than did they think it was that easy and then they kind of punished them for it? 966 00:54:44,485 --> 00:54:45,646 [BanKs] I'll try to get the answer. 967 00:54:45,626 --> 00:54:48,550 [BanKs] Next, we go into our top four. 968 00:54:45,847 --> 00:54:46,206 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 969 00:54:48,972 --> 00:54:52,677 [BanKs] So, semifinals for all of these teams and where they got into it. 970 00:54:53,717 --> 00:54:54,338 [BanKs] So, Aurora. 971 00:54:55,621 --> 00:54:57,784 [BanKs] I was... Okay, it was against Betboom. 972 00:54:57,804 --> 00:55:01,349 [BanKs] We said it was one of the weakest teams possible you could have to go up into quarters. 973 00:55:01,409 --> 00:55:04,193 [BanKs] And they won that game against Betboom. 974 00:55:04,307 --> 00:55:09,822 [BanKs] But I did expect so much more when it came to this Furia game. 975 00:55:09,472 --> 00:55:10,735 [Devilwalk] December. 976 00:55:10,284 --> 00:55:16,400 [BanKs] And yeah, because I thought, oh, they're over their stage fright. 977 00:55:10,755 --> 00:55:10,960 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 978 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,682 [BanKs] Let's see them at least put up a fight. 979 00:55:17,702 --> 00:55:20,409 [BanKs] Now, I wouldn't have had Aurora beating Furia. 980 00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:22,556 [BanKs] I would have had them at least getting a map. 981 00:55:22,876 --> 00:55:26,364 [BanKs] The problem is Furia can play of the map pool and just remove Anubis. 982 00:55:27,547 --> 00:55:30,233 [BanKs] And so that instantly holds them back. 983 00:55:31,076 --> 00:55:33,621 [BanKs] But there was a chance on Dust2. 984 00:55:33,822 --> 00:55:38,853 [BanKs] You know, the game wasn't so one-sided, at least the beginning of the CT side starting. 985 00:55:39,289 --> 00:55:45,342 [BanKs] But I mean, once it felt like Fury had their teeth into him, it was just no chance. 986 00:55:45,762 --> 00:55:47,927 [BanKs] And then Nuke was embarrassing. 987 00:55:48,989 --> 00:55:50,552 [BanKs] Nuke was hella embarrassing. 988 00:55:52,076 --> 00:55:52,556 [BanKs] And... 989 00:55:53,447 --> 00:55:57,626 [BanKs] I don't know if it's just because they've gone further than they ever went before and then it all kicked in again. 990 00:55:57,666 --> 00:56:00,036 [BanKs] But it looked like two different Auroras. 991 00:56:01,311 --> 00:56:18,409 [Devilwalk] I think that's very fair to say I mean it is I think probably the most boring game out of the entire playoff bracket yeah 992 00:56:01,362 --> 00:56:01,905 [BanKs] Once again. 993 00:56:14,170 --> 00:56:15,612 [BanKs] Everything, 100%. 994 00:56:15,652 --> 00:56:17,536 [BanKs] This was the worst game of playoffs. 995 00:56:19,318 --> 00:56:21,181 [BanKs] By the way, I was stupid again. 996 00:56:21,802 --> 00:56:23,425 [BanKs] I said exactly this. 997 00:56:23,545 --> 00:56:27,831 [BanKs] I remember saying this to someone who was sat next to me, and I went, watch this. 998 00:56:28,634 --> 00:56:30,677 [BanKs] This is where Aurora shows us. 999 00:56:30,657 --> 00:56:35,164 [BanKs] They have got over their fright, and they're going to give us an action-packed game. 1000 00:56:35,224 --> 00:56:35,746 [BanKs] Win or lose. 1001 00:56:35,786 --> 00:56:41,175 [BanKs] I did say Fiora would win, but I said win or lose, Aurora's going to put up a fight. 1002 00:56:41,916 --> 00:56:43,239 [BanKs] Beginning of Dust 2, they had me. 1003 00:56:43,659 --> 00:56:44,101 [BanKs] I was there. 1004 00:56:44,121 --> 00:56:46,184 [BanKs] And then after that, I went, ah! 1005 00:56:47,143 --> 00:56:47,985 [BanKs] And then Nuke. 1006 00:56:48,246 --> 00:56:54,740 [BanKs] The problem with... I'm so mad because the problem with Nuke is like... Aurora can play it. 1007 00:56:55,181 --> 00:56:55,362 [BanKs] Yeah? 1008 00:56:56,164 --> 00:56:59,592 [BanKs] But Furia would just... Furia were battering them. 1009 00:56:56,172 --> 00:56:57,019 [Devilwalk] They like it. 1010 00:56:59,893 --> 00:57:03,581 [BanKs] And once I saw some of the heads go down, there was no smiles on any of the players' faces. 1011 00:57:03,661 --> 00:57:04,983 [BanKs] I was like, okay. 1012 00:57:05,099 --> 00:57:05,740 [BanKs] Ding, ding, ding. 1013 00:57:06,121 --> 00:57:06,684 [BanKs] White flag. 1014 00:57:06,824 --> 00:57:07,186 [BanKs] Raise it. 1015 00:57:07,246 --> 00:57:07,447 [BanKs] Go. 1016 00:57:07,487 --> 00:57:13,184 [BanKs] Yep. 1017 00:57:08,389 --> 00:57:15,527 [Devilwalk] I think it's like Aurora become a different team when it seems like they're out of answers. 1018 00:57:15,547 --> 00:57:20,398 [Devilwalk] Then they become... I think they revert into becoming more and more easily read. 1019 00:57:20,418 --> 00:57:25,690 [Devilwalk] I don't know if it is that individual players... They might 1020 00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:25,757 [BanKs] They stopped making plays. 1021 00:57:26,007 --> 00:57:29,713 [Devilwalk] Yeah, they stop and they become stale and robotic. 1022 00:57:29,952 --> 00:57:34,420 [Devilwalk] I don't know if it's like a calling issue. 1023 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,340 [Devilwalk] I don't think so. 1024 00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:39,327 [Devilwalk] I just think this is like nerves. 1025 00:57:39,367 --> 00:57:43,293 [Devilwalk] You don't want to make a mistake and that eventually just becomes bad. 1026 00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:45,882 [BanKs] But Magic keeps saying this, right? 1027 00:57:44,514 --> 00:57:45,096 [Devilwalk] You know, you're scared. 1028 00:57:45,943 --> 00:57:48,427 [BanKs] He says, like, my players stop playing the way they play. 1029 00:57:48,849 --> 00:57:53,438 [BanKs] Well, you did it against BetBoom, so ignore who you're playing the names on the server, yeah? 1030 00:57:54,481 --> 00:58:03,760 [BanKs] Like, we even need to blame the calling or blame the fact that everyone suddenly just becomes a bot once they're against good teams. 1031 00:58:04,583 --> 00:58:08,632 [Devilwalk] Okay, I will mention a story. 1032 00:58:08,692 --> 00:58:15,626 [Devilwalk] The first time when I was playing, we went to DreamHack Summer 2013, right? 1033 00:58:12,244 --> 00:58:13,148 [BanKs] Story time. 1034 00:58:14,090 --> 00:58:14,331 [BanKs] Yep. 1035 00:58:16,358 --> 00:58:18,827 [BanKs] 13 years ago. 1036 00:58:17,851 --> 00:58:22,221 [Devilwalk] At that time, we were Epsilon back then. 1037 00:58:21,456 --> 00:58:21,597 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 1038 00:58:22,201 --> 00:58:34,230 [Devilwalk] And we played with a stand-in, a Norwegian guy, and essentially we played with him for like a month or something, maybe. 1039 00:58:34,317 --> 00:58:34,710 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 1040 00:58:35,954 --> 00:58:36,295 [Devilwalk] And 1041 00:58:37,708 --> 00:58:45,324 [Devilwalk] We went on through that tournament playing legendary team after legendary team and we eventually reached the final. 1042 00:58:46,226 --> 00:58:53,742 [Devilwalk] It was such a fever dream in our heads that we are going to play a final at DreamHack 1043 00:58:54,550 --> 00:58:55,092 [BanKs] Yeah. 1044 00:58:54,820 --> 00:58:59,050 [Devilwalk] that we got overwhelmed by this fact. 1045 00:59:00,375 --> 00:59:06,871 [Devilwalk] That once we got to the final, we almost played like we were already satisfied. 1046 00:59:06,952 --> 00:59:18,211 [Devilwalk] Now, I fear that Aurora might have experienced something similar with them creating history the day before. 1047 00:59:07,353 --> 00:59:07,512 [BanKs] Yeah. 1048 00:59:18,192 --> 00:59:36,235 [Devilwalk] of being the the a Turkish lineup that has gone further than any Turkish team has ever been before in a major the the love and hype all thrown at them that they kind of get overwhelmed by the situation 1049 00:59:25,869 --> 00:59:28,014 [BanKs] Because the best they've done is play quarters. 1050 00:59:28,496 --> 00:59:28,596 [BanKs] Yeah. 1051 00:59:36,686 --> 00:59:40,516 [Devilwalk] That they're not in this bubble of competing anymore. 1052 00:59:40,836 --> 00:59:46,150 [Devilwalk] It breaks the bubble to some extent... Of what you've achieved and what you've done. 1053 00:59:41,565 --> 00:59:41,746 [BanKs] Yeah. 1054 00:59:44,753 --> 00:59:44,992 [BanKs] Yeah. 1055 00:59:47,833 --> 00:59:51,782 [Devilwalk] And I fear that this was what happened to Aurora. 1056 00:59:51,802 --> 00:59:54,730 [Devilwalk] They were already satisfied with creating history... 1057 00:59:56,396 --> 00:59:58,347 [Devilwalk] And I hope that they learn from it. 1058 00:59:58,851 --> 01:00:01,969 [Devilwalk] But it was definitely the most boring game in the major. 1059 00:59:59,518 --> 00:59:59,746 [BanKs] Hmm. 1060 01:00:02,016 --> 01:00:21,949 [BanKs] hundred percent and you know what so obviously the rumors are though we're not doing roster mania now but this is a rumor that's been spoke about everywhere is that ash will come in as the coach now ash doesn't speak turkish he is british pretty sure he doesn't speak turkish um yeah there you go 1061 01:00:15,836 --> 01:00:21,239 [Devilwalk] You can speak Turkish with the English accent and then we have a French accent and English accent. 1062 01:00:21,929 --> 01:00:23,391 [BanKs] But look at this. 1063 01:00:23,472 --> 01:00:27,041 [BanKs] If you want to keep your eighth in the world ranking right now, you need to keep three of these players. 1064 01:00:27,822 --> 01:00:30,608 [BanKs] So let me ask you, which three do you keep? 1065 01:00:30,708 --> 01:00:35,340 [BanKs] Because if I'm this team, yeah, especially how high GLS are pretty hard to come by. 1066 01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:37,344 [BanKs] Maybe you keep magic. 1067 01:00:38,106 --> 01:00:39,068 [BanKs] You keep Acadia. 1068 01:00:38,534 --> 01:00:44,726 [Devilwalk] 100% Magia, my Valkadia, and you know, I would say Voxic, yeah. 1069 01:00:40,652 --> 01:00:40,932 [BanKs] Yeah. 1070 01:00:42,213 --> 01:00:42,914 [BanKs] And Woxic? 1071 01:00:43,956 --> 01:00:44,956 [BanKs] Or do you keep Soulflow? 1072 01:00:45,277 --> 01:00:45,498 [BanKs] Yeah? 1073 01:00:46,231 --> 01:00:47,012 [Devilwalk] I would say Voxic. 1074 01:00:46,539 --> 01:00:46,780 [BanKs] Okay. 1075 01:00:48,001 --> 01:00:50,365 [BanKs] And then... Because Orpah's also hard to replace right now. 1076 01:00:51,688 --> 01:00:58,177 [BanKs] It's crazy to think of a world without Zantaras, but if it goes international, I can see that happening because of, obviously, the ups and downs and the emotional. 1077 01:00:51,742 --> 01:00:52,003 [Devilwalk] Yes. 1078 01:00:58,197 --> 01:00:59,260 [BanKs] And also... 1079 01:00:59,425 --> 01:01:03,432 [BanKs] If Ashe comes in, you don't give a damn about Zantara's name for this. 1080 01:01:03,492 --> 01:01:10,226 [BanKs] He cares about what he's going to get on the server and how people are going to play together and what that mood is like, what that team is looking like together. 1081 01:01:10,849 --> 01:01:15,592 [Devilwalk] But OK, so are the rumors that they're going full international? 1082 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,987 [Devilwalk] Or are they just getting a coach? 1083 01:01:17,481 --> 01:01:18,143 [BanKs] Okay, but don't... 1084 01:01:19,726 --> 01:01:21,590 [BanKs] Don't they have to go international, right? 1085 01:01:22,271 --> 01:01:24,155 [BanKs] If you bring Ash in, he's a talent scout. 1086 01:01:24,396 --> 01:01:31,132 [BanKs] There isn't that much talent in Turkey in terms of, like, the upcoming players, which is why we've had this problem of Aurora going through different players. 1087 01:01:31,572 --> 01:01:34,298 [BanKs] Xcloud, by the sounds of it, is not going to go there anytime soon. 1088 01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:35,019 [BanKs] Yeah? 1089 01:01:36,282 --> 01:01:39,269 [BanKs] So... Surely... 1090 01:01:39,469 --> 01:01:42,876 [BanKs] It is that, by the way, another thing, I can confirm this. 1091 01:01:43,036 --> 01:01:47,405 [BanKs] I have not heard any rumors of other players being approached by Aurora right now. 1092 01:01:47,425 --> 01:01:50,731 [BanKs] So as of right now, it could just be them five players that already got an Ashe. 1093 01:01:50,050 --> 01:01:59,429 [Devilwalk] I honestly think that it's just going to be these five players and it's going to... Yeah, and Ashe. 1094 01:01:56,161 --> 01:01:56,483 [BanKs] An Ashe. 1095 01:01:59,449 --> 01:02:01,916 [Devilwalk] That's what I honestly believe it's going to be. 1096 01:01:59,905 --> 01:02:10,099 [BanKs] Crazy. 1097 01:02:01,936 --> 01:02:06,726 [Devilwalk] I think they've proven that they... 1098 01:02:06,891 --> 01:02:09,217 [Devilwalk] you know, they've gone this far, right? 1099 01:02:09,978 --> 01:02:24,934 [Devilwalk] It's obvious there's a little bit of a wall they need to break through, understand there's something they're missing in either the CS understanding or what's unlocking players or how to help these players continuously make plays even when this happens, right? 1100 01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:10,320 [BanKs] Yeah. 1101 01:02:24,914 --> 01:02:29,943 [Devilwalk] They've just recently gotten the mental coach. 1102 01:02:24,947 --> 01:02:29,181 [BanKs] Mental coach. 1103 01:02:30,043 --> 01:02:30,244 [BanKs] Yep. 1104 01:02:30,384 --> 01:02:34,210 [Devilwalk] They haven't worked that much with her as we spoke with Major about. 1105 01:02:34,791 --> 01:02:37,896 [Devilwalk] It's still very new in the process of that. 1106 01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:35,380 [BanKs] Yep. 1107 01:02:38,117 --> 01:02:43,547 [Devilwalk] I think it would be careless to now change everything. 1108 01:02:44,657 --> 01:02:59,510 [Devilwalk] it would be almost a sense where you're going to wake up in a year or two and ask yourself what could have been before you've given it a proper try with enough of these small changes. 1109 01:02:45,045 --> 01:03:00,996 [BanKs] True. 1110 01:02:59,610 --> 01:03:02,818 [Devilwalk] Because it could be a struggle of... 1111 01:03:01,016 --> 01:03:01,097 [BanKs] Hmm. 1112 01:03:02,797 --> 01:03:18,327 [Devilwalk] of just majors overwhelmed with calling in Turkish and you know and exactly exactly I think I think that's the key right 1113 01:03:10,425 --> 01:03:26,443 [BanKs] Ash can help out with the game plan so much as well, of getting them into a different way, right, and be a different, because remember, Fabra and Maja are so close together, and he spoke about this, right, when we did the interview with him, of their understanding of the game, knowing each other really well, that maybe this outside player 1114 01:03:25,512 --> 01:03:27,135 [Devilwalk] It might be too similar. 1115 01:03:27,936 --> 01:03:37,699 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1116 01:03:28,262 --> 01:03:28,643 [BanKs] Yeah. 1117 01:03:29,525 --> 01:03:33,672 [BanKs] But maybe this outside perspective from Ash, a very different way, would be something that could have success. 1118 01:03:33,992 --> 01:03:35,556 [BanKs] And obviously, by the way, Ash is hot property. 1119 01:03:37,057 --> 01:03:40,503 [BanKs] Ash proved even on the analyst desk that his bull knowledge is crazy. 1120 01:03:41,445 --> 01:03:44,351 [BanKs] So that's enough about Aurora. 1121 01:03:44,391 --> 01:03:45,112 [BanKs] We'll continue on. 1122 01:03:45,693 --> 01:03:47,436 [BanKs] So next team to lose in the semis? 1123 01:03:48,293 --> 01:04:07,585 [BanKs] spirit and obviously the g2 game we touched on right and donk was the second highest rated player of the whole major 1.34 rating but this game against falcons 1124 01:03:56,443 --> 01:03:56,788 [Devilwalk] Yep. 1125 01:04:07,733 --> 01:04:20,494 [BanKs] it looked like it could have been spirits even without them having a coach now there's one thing i want to look at here this is this this is the one i can't answer for you yeah having spirit without a coach 1126 01:04:21,757 --> 01:04:26,809 [BanKs] Does that give them a good enough reason as to how far they could go or not go? 1127 01:04:26,829 --> 01:04:30,958 [BanKs] It doesn't matter if they lost to eventual winners of the whole tournament and how good Falcons were. 1128 01:04:30,998 --> 01:04:36,271 [BanKs] How much does that impact a team like Spirit and 1129 01:04:36,657 --> 01:04:42,085 [BanKs] what they could have been able to cook up and do within these timeouts and what they want to do, you know? 1130 01:04:42,586 --> 01:04:51,762 [BanKs] Because I feel like it's either a really big thing or I'm overestimating the input from a Sopvic or Halle. 1131 01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:00,516 [Devilwalk] I don't think you're overestimating. 1132 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,364 [BanKs] You know, you coach. 1133 01:05:00,635 --> 01:05:10,217 [Devilwalk] I think these games are where you need a voice in the back of your mind, the back of your head, to remind you what's important when you're playing. 1134 01:05:08,161 --> 01:05:08,300 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 1135 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,603 [Devilwalk] You know, sometimes... 1136 01:05:14,137 --> 01:05:22,594 [Devilwalk] players can be, you know, when they come up with solutions, it can be a little bit running, you know, let's just execute A, you know, very basic. 1137 01:05:22,614 --> 01:05:27,764 [Devilwalk] They don't really think about the move, but like what's actually harming you and getting that explained. 1138 01:05:27,925 --> 01:05:33,597 [Devilwalk] Because if you just end up always backing off into running execute after execute after execute, 1139 01:05:33,577 --> 01:05:52,563 [Devilwalk] you can kind of like some players are good at it and other players they don't really you don't get to show show the strength of them like i think if you look at tinir for example um when they were playing default and when he was being enabled on the long lurks on dust2 and you know 1140 01:05:52,543 --> 01:06:00,762 [Devilwalk] having the freedom to take the duels, even on Mirage, going out A and just popping heads whenever he wants to. 1141 01:06:01,672 --> 01:06:20,523 [BanKs] Yeah. 1142 01:06:01,923 --> 01:06:09,219 [Devilwalk] I think these kind of core strengths, you kind of lack, I think, sometimes when you don't have a coach. 1143 01:06:09,757 --> 01:06:11,963 [Devilwalk] who to enable and when, by what. 1144 01:06:12,664 --> 01:06:19,481 [Devilwalk] And I think it's really, really hard to be in the game, focus on the round, and make a magical call out of everything, right? 1145 01:06:19,902 --> 01:06:26,500 [Devilwalk] That's a skill that we contribute to some of the best in-game leaders of our generation and in history. 1146 01:06:20,543 --> 01:06:20,643 [BanKs] Yeah. 1147 01:06:27,577 --> 01:06:33,447 [Devilwalk] But it's not something every single player can do on the fly with 30 seconds to think about it. 1148 01:06:28,184 --> 01:06:45,719 [BanKs] yeah especially yeah 1149 01:06:34,208 --> 01:06:44,527 [Devilwalk] A coach perspective is gathering all the information, what the previous rounds, you think about the mistake, you think about how they have adjusted throughout the game, and you make a call based on that. 1150 01:06:44,748 --> 01:06:47,132 [Devilwalk] So you're using all of the information. 1151 01:06:47,172 --> 01:06:47,592 [Devilwalk] I think 1152 01:06:47,572 --> 01:06:58,106 [Devilwalk] that's the thing right and it's also the fact that just having someone come with the answer instantly when you need it it gives you relief as a player 1153 01:06:58,086 --> 01:06:59,349 [Devilwalk] Okay, let's do it. 1154 01:06:59,809 --> 01:07:01,291 [Devilwalk] And you just focus on the game again. 1155 01:07:01,331 --> 01:07:06,139 [Devilwalk] You don't have to spiral into thoughts and thinking about every single detail of the game. 1156 01:07:02,373 --> 01:07:19,007 [BanKs] Yeah. 1157 01:07:06,601 --> 01:07:09,545 [Devilwalk] So I think it's a massive, massive thing. 1158 01:07:10,025 --> 01:07:12,911 [Devilwalk] And I think you could see it on the player camps of Spirit. 1159 01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:16,516 [Devilwalk] They were frustrated, and they were frustrated not only in this game, 1160 01:07:16,496 --> 01:07:20,233 [Devilwalk] They were frustrated in the G2 game for massive amounts of periods. 1161 01:07:19,027 --> 01:07:19,369 [BanKs] Yeah. 1162 01:07:20,614 --> 01:07:22,663 [Devilwalk] They were frustrated in the Falcons games. 1163 01:07:23,646 --> 01:07:25,916 [Devilwalk] And it affected them. 1164 01:07:24,056 --> 01:07:26,119 [BanKs] And they were saying this, right? 1165 01:07:26,824 --> 01:07:32,735 [BanKs] They were saying this, they're like, sometimes a call out, a timeout will happen and Siro's talking or maybe Zontix is talking, right? 1166 01:07:32,795 --> 01:07:34,840 [BanKs] Everyone's given a different bit of input. 1167 01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:42,733 [BanKs] So then it's also multiple voices where, yeah, but you don't have a Hallie to say like, guys, boom, this is what I'm saying, you know? 1168 01:07:35,347 --> 01:07:37,014 [Devilwalk] But then it's more of a debate. 1169 01:07:41,713 --> 01:07:42,014 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1170 01:07:42,934 --> 01:07:43,795 [BanKs] So yeah, okay. 1171 01:07:44,157 --> 01:07:45,179 [BanKs] So it is massive. 1172 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:46,842 [BanKs] So then look at this. 1173 01:07:46,822 --> 01:07:50,387 [BanKs] You beat Falcons 13-8 on Mirage. 1174 01:07:51,429 --> 01:07:55,936 [BanKs] Obviously, I spoke to Kerrigan about this and he was saying it could have been a lot better, but it was this thing on Mirage. 1175 01:07:56,336 --> 01:07:59,603 [BanKs] But on Anubis and Dust2, it's both in overtime they lose. 1176 01:07:59,902 --> 01:08:03,148 [BanKs] The fact they were able to push it that way and fight so much. 1177 01:08:03,548 --> 01:08:04,289 [BanKs] Yeah. 1178 01:08:04,269 --> 01:08:14,585 [BanKs] With all this that we're talking about, I still think this is a really good result for Spirit, considering the very tough situation they had to go through with not having this coach and everything you just said. 1179 01:08:15,643 --> 01:08:19,912 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I mean, I predicted Spirit to win the Major. 1180 01:08:21,033 --> 01:08:22,155 [Devilwalk] That was my prediction. 1181 01:08:21,676 --> 01:08:21,856 [BanKs] Yeah. 1182 01:08:22,577 --> 01:08:25,802 [Devilwalk] And I think it's a great prediction. 1183 01:08:26,104 --> 01:08:32,515 [Devilwalk] Even looking at this result, looking at how it all ended, I still think it was a good prediction. 1184 01:08:33,277 --> 01:08:33,837 [Devilwalk] Because... 1185 01:08:35,556 --> 01:08:41,153 [Devilwalk] You know, Falcons, they fought their way through chaos and all of it. 1186 01:08:41,795 --> 01:08:44,101 [Devilwalk] And this is kind of what Kerrigan thrives at. 1187 01:08:44,141 --> 01:08:47,270 [Devilwalk] He brought them that edge and... 1188 01:08:45,091 --> 01:08:56,247 [BanKs] No Yep 1189 01:08:47,251 --> 01:08:53,123 [Devilwalk] And they made it over the line every single time because they were not without stumbles going through this major. 1190 01:08:53,184 --> 01:08:54,948 [Devilwalk] They played some really tough teams. 1191 01:08:55,068 --> 01:08:58,895 [Devilwalk] It was really hard to make a prediction for them to win through this bracket. 1192 01:08:59,337 --> 01:09:05,310 [Devilwalk] But whoever won that semifinal, I was certain was going to win the major. 1193 01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:06,953 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah. 1194 01:09:07,595 --> 01:09:10,061 [BanKs] I said it on the other side thinking it was Vitality that would get through, right? 1195 01:09:10,082 --> 01:09:11,426 [BanKs] And obviously Falcons really dealt with them. 1196 01:09:10,505 --> 01:09:13,537 [Devilwalk] Yeah, and I mean, it's not a bad prediction. 1197 01:09:11,447 --> 01:09:15,037 [BanKs] No, of course. 1198 01:09:13,677 --> 01:09:20,447 [Devilwalk] It's just that that lower side of that bracket is so fucking stacked, it's insane. 1199 01:09:18,850 --> 01:09:19,029 [BanKs] Yeah. 1200 01:09:21,337 --> 01:09:27,328 [BanKs] And some of the moments, by the way, on these rounds that, like, Falcons were winning was just ludicrous, you know? 1201 01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:37,467 [BanKs] Like, some of the calls are only things you could get from... Like, there was moments where I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, Magix is keeping up with calling against Karak... No, no. 1202 01:09:33,606 --> 01:09:36,136 [Devilwalk] But Spirit should have won. 1203 01:09:36,195 --> 01:09:39,105 [Devilwalk] Dust 2, Spirit should have won. 1204 01:09:37,948 --> 01:09:38,390 [BanKs] So, wait. 1205 01:09:39,412 --> 01:09:39,692 [BanKs] Yeah. 1206 01:09:40,434 --> 01:09:40,713 [BanKs] But... 1207 01:09:42,533 --> 01:09:50,387 [BanKs] Before we get on to that, Magix as a rookie IGL going up against Kerrigan, one of the greatest IGLs of all time. 1208 01:09:44,123 --> 01:09:44,224 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1209 01:09:50,528 --> 01:09:50,768 [BanKs] Yeah. 1210 01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:58,242 [BanKs] And he was going toe to toe with like game plans and trying to stack bomb sites and trying to call off the right things. 1211 01:09:58,322 --> 01:09:58,802 [BanKs] Right. 1212 01:09:58,823 --> 01:09:59,944 [BanKs] With no coach behind him. 1213 01:09:59,965 --> 01:10:02,550 [BanKs] So I have huge amount of respect for what Magix was doing. 1214 01:10:02,529 --> 01:10:05,539 [BanKs] While also trying to keep the players in the right way, right? 1215 01:10:06,082 --> 01:10:14,128 [BanKs] And it was only when it was getting into the overtimes and some of these crazier rounds and stupid smoke pushes and things, the things were falling apart. 1216 01:10:14,529 --> 01:10:15,493 [BanKs] But like, 1217 01:10:15,472 --> 01:10:20,966 [BanKs] It felt like Donk was not bad playing, but he was being neutralized in some situations. 1218 01:10:21,347 --> 01:10:23,913 [BanKs] I was watching him lose multiple fights to Kerrigan. 1219 01:10:24,335 --> 01:10:26,841 [BanKs] They did lose that Mirage where he was losing fights to him. 1220 01:10:26,860 --> 01:10:30,791 [BanKs] Do you remember the 4K that Kerrigan got? 1221 01:10:30,020 --> 01:10:31,256 [Devilwalk] Yeah, but it's... 1222 01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:32,335 [BanKs] And they're all like, what is going on? 1223 01:10:33,091 --> 01:10:34,514 [Devilwalk] It's like this, right? 1224 01:10:34,833 --> 01:10:40,284 [Devilwalk] I think it was on Spirit on Mirage, I think, against Falcons. 1225 01:10:40,145 --> 01:10:55,622 [BanKs] Well, they also don't want to give too much to Zonic, right? 1226 01:10:41,046 --> 01:10:45,295 [Devilwalk] I think it was like 8-8 or 9-8 or something like that. 1227 01:10:45,375 --> 01:10:52,668 [Devilwalk] And that's when the first time out for Spirit, the whole game was. 1228 01:10:52,649 --> 01:11:08,615 [Devilwalk] it's like yeah and that's fair but you know how like it's a lot of perspective they're missing out on by not having a coach and 1229 01:10:55,702 --> 01:10:57,546 [BanKs] You're basically giving them an extra time out each time. 1230 01:11:05,743 --> 01:11:10,100 [BanKs] There's no overview. 1231 01:11:08,595 --> 01:11:11,743 [Devilwalk] Considering all of that, there's no overview. 1232 01:11:12,243 --> 01:11:15,190 [Devilwalk] And because of that, I mean, I agree with you. 1233 01:11:15,371 --> 01:11:17,796 [Devilwalk] Magix did crazy good. 1234 01:11:19,019 --> 01:11:23,127 [Devilwalk] And this is also them losing barely 1235 01:11:23,108 --> 01:11:27,577 [Devilwalk] with Donk probably having one of his worst games in playoff in his career. 1236 01:11:28,137 --> 01:11:35,573 [Devilwalk] I'm not 100%, but I've seen some Donk numbers, and 0-97 ain't Donk, man. 1237 01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:43,529 [BanKs] nah no exactly yeah 1238 01:11:36,255 --> 01:11:37,337 [Devilwalk] It ain't Donk. 1239 01:11:38,177 --> 01:11:45,194 [Devilwalk] So, I'm just saying, you know, they still put up a fight without coach, with Donk missing in this series. 1240 01:11:45,336 --> 01:11:52,051 [Devilwalk] Now, missing is maybe harsh because it's more about what Falcons did against him rather than 1241 01:11:52,032 --> 01:12:00,101 [Devilwalk] maybe about Donk but you see that when he plays against Vitality and all of a sudden you get a 4k entry and you know 1242 01:11:54,832 --> 01:11:55,215 [BanKs] Yeah. 1243 01:12:01,398 --> 01:12:02,399 [Devilwalk] Donk being Donk. 1244 01:12:03,282 --> 01:12:05,627 [Devilwalk] But obviously, very, very close game. 1245 01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:03,831 [BanKs] Yeah. 1246 01:12:05,726 --> 01:12:17,971 [Devilwalk] I think, for me, I mean, it's hard to pick, but I was about to say, you know, the G2 game and the Spirit Falcons games, for me, the best games 1247 01:12:17,108 --> 01:12:19,051 [BanKs] I'll say this. 1248 01:12:17,952 --> 01:12:29,987 [Devilwalk] of this major but the falcons vitality ain't bad ain't bad there was so much extra pressure yeah it is it is a crazy good game 1249 01:12:22,297 --> 01:12:24,462 [BanKs] Falcons always had it was good without the overtimes, right? 1250 01:12:24,502 --> 01:12:27,328 [BanKs] So it lost a bit of that excitement, but it's still such a crazy good game. 1251 01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:28,650 [BanKs] Yeah. 1252 01:12:29,372 --> 01:12:34,762 [BanKs] And then, and then the G2 Spirit one was just amazing because I thought like, 1253 01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:37,135 [BanKs] We're breaking some records and viewership. 1254 01:12:35,603 --> 01:12:38,744 [Devilwalk] I think that's the best one I think that's the best one 1255 01:12:37,194 --> 01:12:38,438 [BanKs] The numbers are going crazy. 1256 01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:46,139 [BanKs] But the reason the Falcon Spirit one for me was just a little bit more is because I truly believed that Spirit had dust too. 1257 01:12:47,041 --> 01:12:47,301 [BanKs] You know? 1258 01:12:48,283 --> 01:12:51,552 [BanKs] Like with the G2 Spirit one, 1259 01:12:52,056 --> 01:12:55,466 [BanKs] I was like almost expecting they're going to be trading back and forth, you know? 1260 01:12:55,527 --> 01:12:59,198 [BanKs] But then, go on. 1261 01:12:56,494 --> 01:13:04,597 [Devilwalk] So like this, I just want to bring up what we talked about before, right? 1262 01:13:05,216 --> 01:13:05,356 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 1263 01:13:05,523 --> 01:13:12,198 [Devilwalk] It's almost like, you know how everyone's been memeing on Falcons and it's like screenshots and whatever. 1264 01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:23,182 [Devilwalk] And this round, round 20, when Kerrigan pushes through that B smoke without flash, well, it's both smart and dumb. 1265 01:13:18,567 --> 01:13:20,476 [BanKs] How smart was this? 1266 01:13:23,564 --> 01:13:24,426 [Devilwalk] But it's... 1267 01:13:23,747 --> 01:13:27,417 [BanKs] No, but you know, he does it because Magix was flanking long, right? 1268 01:13:27,957 --> 01:13:30,824 [BanKs] Magix was like, so they're in B. Magix is flanking long. 1269 01:13:28,421 --> 01:13:43,697 [Devilwalk] so the thing is well first of all 1270 01:13:30,845 --> 01:13:32,628 [BanKs] Magix thinks he's going to get a couple of easy kills. 1271 01:13:33,069 --> 01:13:33,751 [BanKs] Doesn't work out. 1272 01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:35,454 [BanKs] And Karakin just goes, well, wait a second. 1273 01:13:35,475 --> 01:13:39,123 [BanKs] If one guy is here, like, look at what I can do. 1274 01:13:44,082 --> 01:13:45,988 [Devilwalk] you know, they get the entry spirit, right? 1275 01:13:46,007 --> 01:13:57,382 [Devilwalk] They go into B, there's 4 in B, you talked about before this recording, this second recording, about Magic's kind of flanking long, and 1276 01:13:55,792 --> 01:13:56,655 [BanKs] With a little, yeah. 1277 01:13:57,667 --> 01:14:04,729 [Devilwalk] But you know the smoke, it bounces on the edge of the door and bounces backwards for Spirit during the execute. 1278 01:14:03,722 --> 01:14:03,963 [BanKs] Yeah. 1279 01:14:04,769 --> 01:14:11,810 [Devilwalk] Normally you want it to kind of slide on the door and bounce between the doors so you don't give CTs that space. 1280 01:14:11,791 --> 01:14:19,846 [Devilwalk] Now it kind of ended up like a retake smoke from CT's perspective, essentially, because of that. 1281 01:14:18,557 --> 01:14:25,597 [BanKs] yeah it covers you so you get covered from car and stuff yeah 1282 01:14:20,028 --> 01:14:22,112 [Devilwalk] Like the normal, they do it, right? 1283 01:14:22,832 --> 01:14:24,095 [Devilwalk] And he sees this 1284 01:14:26,421 --> 01:14:27,505 [Devilwalk] But it's not only that. 1285 01:14:27,865 --> 01:14:31,578 [Devilwalk] It's the fact that Kerrigan does it without Flash. 1286 01:14:31,998 --> 01:14:35,470 [Devilwalk] Sontag is standing against the wall. 1287 01:14:35,770 --> 01:14:38,453 [Devilwalk] And he's anti-flash, so he doesn't actually hear it. 1288 01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:48,582 [BanKs] Yeah. 1289 01:14:38,493 --> 01:14:39,796 [Devilwalk] Now an alarm goes off. 1290 01:14:39,817 --> 01:14:40,757 [Devilwalk] This is perfect. 1291 01:14:41,298 --> 01:14:44,184 [Devilwalk] Either way, he is completely anti-flash. 1292 01:14:44,203 --> 01:14:47,628 [Devilwalk] He gets to kill the... And obviously, they have a setup. 1293 01:14:47,989 --> 01:14:52,055 [Devilwalk] They have one car, they have one tunnel, they have one anti-flash, they have one planting. 1294 01:14:52,817 --> 01:14:54,420 [Devilwalk] But because of this smoke, 1295 01:14:56,323 --> 01:14:58,228 [Devilwalk] The car guy can't react. 1296 01:14:59,609 --> 01:15:02,815 [Devilwalk] He can't just start spraying the smoke because you know what? 1297 01:15:03,296 --> 01:15:09,128 [Devilwalk] Who has 5 HP and is standing anti-flash next to the door in line with Kerrigan is SonTex. 1298 01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:11,412 [Devilwalk] If he starts spraying, he's killing SonTex as well. 1299 01:15:12,034 --> 01:15:15,282 [BanKs] By the way, I'm just watching the clip just to get it exact, right? 1300 01:15:15,301 --> 01:15:17,966 [BanKs] So, Manasi gets tagged down to 56 HP. 1301 01:15:18,569 --> 01:15:24,239 [BanKs] Kerrigan goes before the flash, and then a flash goes after he's killed Zontix. 1302 01:15:23,796 --> 01:15:27,715 [Devilwalk] And that is pure chaos. 1303 01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:26,225 [BanKs] Like, it's pure chaos. 1304 01:15:26,244 --> 01:15:28,189 [BanKs] It's even more chaos than I remember. 1305 01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:30,313 [BanKs] Oh, God. 1306 01:15:31,087 --> 01:15:44,930 [Devilwalk] And what's so amazing about it is we've constantly criticized these screenshot moments on Reddit, on HLTV of Falcons do it again, lose an unwinnable round. 1307 01:15:39,895 --> 01:15:57,398 [BanKs] yeah yeah by the way no one screenshotted i didn't see any screenshots on twitter but people are just doing this only to falcons you know but i mean that that's that's just more crazy 1308 01:15:45,231 --> 01:15:46,935 [Devilwalk] This time it was the reverse. 1309 01:15:46,914 --> 01:15:48,640 [Devilwalk] The spirit who had the screenshot. 1310 01:15:48,659 --> 01:15:51,265 [Devilwalk] The spirit who lost the unlosable round. 1311 01:15:53,431 --> 01:15:56,520 [Devilwalk] No, no, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1312 01:15:56,579 --> 01:15:56,841 [Devilwalk] But... 1313 01:15:58,087 --> 01:16:13,125 [Devilwalk] The essential part is because of Kerrigan, you know, having the balls to do something that just because he sees this, goes on instinct, finds the gap and understands that he might have an opportunity here. 1314 01:16:08,701 --> 01:16:26,726 [BanKs] exactly we've gone into falcons talk rather than spirit 1315 01:16:13,104 --> 01:16:16,851 [Devilwalk] And there's not a lot of players in the world that can do that on stage. 1316 01:16:17,592 --> 01:16:25,266 [Devilwalk] And I think, you know, to some degree, this is what makes Kerrigan so great on stage games, because he thrives in chaos. 1317 01:16:25,306 --> 01:16:26,569 [Devilwalk] He loves chaos. 1318 01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:28,212 [Devilwalk] Yes, but either way. 1319 01:16:27,331 --> 01:16:39,092 [BanKs] And also, you're throwing chaos at a team that can handle chaos at times, but when you don't have a coach and all the things we spoke about, you know, and that's why I don't look badly on this result for Spirit at all. 1320 01:16:39,675 --> 01:16:40,957 [BanKs] I still see this as a positive. 1321 01:16:41,457 --> 01:16:45,204 [BanKs] I know that they'll be back next season with a full team and everything they want. 1322 01:16:45,185 --> 01:16:48,810 [BanKs] Yeah, Hallie will be there, or Sotvik will be there, or however it's going to work. 1323 01:16:49,371 --> 01:16:51,413 [BanKs] And then they'll just continue on riding on through, you know? 1324 01:16:52,188 --> 01:17:01,556 [Devilwalk] I think it's a scary prospect that Spirit could have gone through this major without the two coaches they have now. 1325 01:17:02,729 --> 01:17:03,851 [BanKs] And potentially have won. 1326 01:17:04,270 --> 01:17:06,052 [Devilwalk] and potentially have won the major, right? 1327 01:17:05,992 --> 01:17:06,412 [BanKs] Yeah. 1328 01:17:06,895 --> 01:17:19,257 [Devilwalk] I think that's a scary prospect, and I think that's why I was so hyped about them, and why I thought also this was a perfect opportunity, which it was for everyone, was because of the cracks we've seen of Vitality. 1329 01:17:19,238 --> 01:17:22,563 [Devilwalk] So it's disappointing for Spirit. 1330 01:17:19,631 --> 01:17:20,051 [BanKs] Definitely. 1331 01:17:22,622 --> 01:17:28,351 [Devilwalk] I'm sure it hurts them that they re-watched that final and said, this could have been us. 1332 01:17:29,332 --> 01:17:33,659 [Devilwalk] But I mean, this is what happens on the major stage. 1333 01:17:33,699 --> 01:17:35,181 [Devilwalk] This is what happens in playoffs. 1334 01:17:35,202 --> 01:17:36,023 [Devilwalk] It is chaos. 1335 01:17:35,994 --> 01:17:36,506 [BanKs] Definitely. 1336 01:17:36,042 --> 01:17:37,364 [Devilwalk] And whoever... 1337 01:17:37,345 --> 01:17:40,791 [Devilwalk] tackles it the best is going to win and this time it was Falcons. 1338 01:17:42,661 --> 01:17:53,144 [BanKs] So now we move on to our second place and our first beginning part of talking about the grand final, the viewership breaking grand final, making history as the most viewed Counter-Strike event of all time. 1339 01:17:53,503 --> 01:17:57,231 [BanKs] As of today, I cannot wait until we get to the 3 million viewer point. 1340 01:17:57,252 --> 01:17:58,494 [BanKs] No, like it'll happen soon. 1341 01:17:58,515 --> 01:18:01,681 [BanKs] I believe so much in this game, but I'm furious. 1342 01:18:02,167 --> 01:18:07,719 [BanKs] Now, Furious Run, they didn't really face any tough opposition until the final. 1343 01:18:07,779 --> 01:18:08,900 [BanKs] Let's just be honest, yeah? 1344 01:18:09,140 --> 01:18:12,247 [BanKs] They faced some good teams, but they didn't face an elite team. 1345 01:18:12,386 --> 01:18:13,288 [BanKs] That is just a fact. 1346 01:18:13,949 --> 01:18:17,497 [BanKs] They beat Bait, Mouz, Betboom, 9Z, Aurora. 1347 01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:14,801 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1348 01:18:18,538 --> 01:18:19,079 [BanKs] They were the what? 1349 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,911 [Devilwalk] I mean, they were the best team on their side of the bracket. 1350 01:18:24,493 --> 01:18:24,713 [BanKs] No. 1351 01:18:24,634 --> 01:18:26,659 [Devilwalk] I think that's fair to say. 1352 01:18:24,914 --> 01:18:44,172 [BanKs] It was just hard to put them somewhere. 1353 01:18:26,739 --> 01:18:27,282 [Devilwalk] And you know, 1354 01:18:29,219 --> 01:18:35,712 [Devilwalk] The problem I have with Furious Run, you can't really take anything away from them either. 1355 01:18:35,752 --> 01:18:41,305 [Devilwalk] They did what they had to do in the playoff situation, but 1356 01:18:41,284 --> 01:18:55,833 [Devilwalk] I also can't not tinker with the idea of what would have happened if Furia went on the other side of the bracket. 1357 01:18:55,814 --> 01:19:04,393 [Devilwalk] How far would they have gone through the teams that were eliminated in quarters and semis on the other side? 1358 01:18:56,506 --> 01:18:56,988 [BanKs] Yeah. 1359 01:19:04,432 --> 01:19:12,912 [Devilwalk] And I think the unfortunate answer for me is considering what we saw in the grand final. 1360 01:19:05,859 --> 01:19:05,958 [BanKs] Yeah. 1361 01:19:14,122 --> 01:19:29,819 [Devilwalk] no no but I'm just saying just overall what I saw from Fury at this event didn't look like a major finalist in some sense unfortunately 1362 01:19:14,309 --> 01:19:16,777 [BanKs] But let's not get into the grand final just yet. 1363 01:19:21,594 --> 01:19:21,753 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 1364 01:19:30,846 --> 01:19:33,211 [BanKs] But at that point, it's not their fault. 1365 01:19:33,412 --> 01:19:43,658 [Devilwalk] It's not their fault. 1366 01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:42,545 [BanKs] What I want to get onto with it is so many of these positive signs that I had were around Yuri coming back to form. 1367 01:19:42,826 --> 01:19:43,867 [BanKs] I tweeted a picture. 1368 01:19:43,907 --> 01:19:44,929 [BanKs] I'll bring it up. 1369 01:19:44,988 --> 01:19:50,037 [BanKs] But Yuri was at all events this year. 1370 01:19:50,438 --> 01:19:52,225 [BanKs] Either red or just okay. 1371 01:19:52,787 --> 01:19:53,047 [BanKs] Yeah. 1372 01:19:53,751 --> 01:19:58,028 [BanKs] And then he was coming into playoffs looking much better in stage three. 1373 01:19:58,068 --> 01:19:59,453 [BanKs] So look at this. 1374 01:19:59,904 --> 01:20:13,590 [BanKs] This year, 1.03 at Blast Bounty, 0.81 at the finals, 0.96 in Krakow, 0.91 in Cluj, slight uptick in Rio, but I hit fourth, 1.17. 1375 01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:19,921 [BanKs] But when they won all those tournaments like Blast Rivals Season 2, Chengdu, Thunderpick, 1.19, 1.13, 1376 01:20:19,902 --> 01:20:20,222 [BanKs] 1.17. 1377 01:20:20,703 --> 01:20:23,149 [BanKs] So, Cologne Major. 1378 01:20:21,926 --> 01:20:28,225 [Devilwalk] I mean, he was the best rated Furia player in playoff. 1379 01:20:24,894 --> 01:20:26,877 [BanKs] Which, you know, for an anchor. 1380 01:20:28,823 --> 01:20:31,127 [BanKs] In playoffs, or Stage 3 and playoffs, right? 1381 01:20:31,148 --> 01:20:33,954 [BanKs] And they also went 3-0 through Stage 3 at the beginning. 1382 01:20:32,659 --> 01:20:36,452 [Devilwalk] I'm looking only playoff right now. 1383 01:20:34,636 --> 01:20:35,557 [BanKs] You're only looking at playoffs. 1384 01:20:35,878 --> 01:20:36,600 [BanKs] Ooh, okay. 1385 01:20:36,471 --> 01:20:36,773 [Devilwalk] Yes. 1386 01:20:37,202 --> 01:20:37,523 [BanKs] So... 1387 01:20:37,595 --> 01:20:38,899 [Devilwalk] So Juri 114 rated. 1388 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:45,881 [Devilwalk] Molde also 114, but Juri is above. 1389 01:20:42,244 --> 01:20:42,525 [BanKs] Yeah. 1390 01:20:43,527 --> 01:20:45,229 [BanKs] So he was on a heater, right? 1391 01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:46,672 [BanKs] Which is exactly what you want to see. 1392 01:20:45,902 --> 01:20:46,061 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1393 01:20:46,693 --> 01:20:51,502 [BanKs] That's where a lot of their success was coming from, that he was always good for a multi-killer, being in the right position, doing really well. 1394 01:20:52,042 --> 01:20:54,087 [BanKs] He continued that against 9Z, right? 1395 01:20:54,606 --> 01:20:59,536 [BanKs] On Aurora, he absolutely dominated, but like we said, one of the worst games of the major playoffs. 1396 01:21:00,318 --> 01:21:00,979 [BanKs] And then... 1397 01:21:01,667 --> 01:21:08,265 [BanKs] It felt like he just wasn't the same player, didn't have the same belief, right? 1398 01:21:08,868 --> 01:21:11,073 [BanKs] When you went into this grand final. 1399 01:21:11,815 --> 01:21:14,483 [BanKs] And I was the most worried about Molodoy. 1400 01:21:15,104 --> 01:21:17,652 [BanKs] Because Molodoy's major record was... 1401 01:21:17,902 --> 01:21:22,150 [BanKs] Still performing okay, but not to what you expect from him, you know? 1402 01:21:22,190 --> 01:21:25,278 [BanKs] And I think you had a point on this, right? 1403 01:21:25,297 --> 01:21:28,444 [BanKs] That he was probably the only one making, like, his usual plays. 1404 01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:30,891 [Devilwalk] On what? 1405 01:21:30,912 --> 01:21:31,353 [Devilwalk] Molodoy? 1406 01:21:31,931 --> 01:21:32,653 [BanKs] Yeah, Molodoy. 1407 01:21:33,136 --> 01:21:34,158 [Devilwalk] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1408 01:21:34,177 --> 01:21:34,479 [Devilwalk] 100%. 1409 01:21:34,679 --> 01:21:36,922 [Devilwalk] I thought you were on Yuri for some weird reason. 1410 01:21:36,943 --> 01:21:37,604 [Devilwalk] I had zoned out. 1411 01:21:36,987 --> 01:21:37,528 [BanKs] No, no, sorry. 1412 01:21:37,547 --> 01:21:41,096 [BanKs] I went from Yuri just onto Molodoy's like normally was bad at majors. 1413 01:21:41,297 --> 01:21:42,921 [BanKs] And then at least in this final was really good. 1414 01:21:43,363 --> 01:21:46,270 [BanKs] And he actually, even in nine Z, he was just okay, but he, he stepped up. 1415 01:21:46,711 --> 01:21:50,220 [BanKs] So he was the positive alongside your kinder, but 1416 01:21:49,868 --> 01:21:50,068 [Devilwalk] Yep. 1417 01:21:50,875 --> 01:21:55,164 [BanKs] I just didn't, I didn't see, I didn't see the same fight from Fury. 1418 01:21:55,204 --> 01:21:57,449 [BanKs] And maybe it's just because they went up against an elite team. 1419 01:21:57,670 --> 01:22:01,137 [BanKs] Maybe it was the pressure of playing a major grand final, which they're not used to. 1420 01:22:01,819 --> 01:22:08,073 [BanKs] But I mean, it wasn't pretty, you know, it wasn't pretty at all. 1421 01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:10,310 [Devilwalk] You know, I don't know. 1422 01:22:10,331 --> 01:22:13,899 [Devilwalk] I mean, I re-watched the final a little bit today. 1423 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:19,713 [Devilwalk] If I'm honest, you know, Fury, it didn't look that sharp aim-wise. 1424 01:22:20,215 --> 01:22:23,363 [Devilwalk] Like, they didn't look... You know, it wasn't... 1425 01:22:20,659 --> 01:22:21,136 [BanKs] Mm. 1426 01:22:23,697 --> 01:22:26,020 [Devilwalk] I never felt like we got a moment. 1427 01:22:26,081 --> 01:22:26,721 [Devilwalk] Like you know. 1428 01:22:26,742 --> 01:22:30,068 [Devilwalk] I can't remember when this was. 1429 01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:30,788 [Devilwalk] You know. 1430 01:22:31,631 --> 01:22:33,194 [Devilwalk] Highlight on the B site. 1431 01:22:33,274 --> 01:22:35,216 [Devilwalk] Inferno where it just clicks for people. 1432 01:22:36,298 --> 01:22:38,483 [Devilwalk] I never got this like. 1433 01:22:38,462 --> 01:22:51,072 [Devilwalk] super crazy case of auto moments which i feel like i've gotten used to to some degree that he's always going to be you know that second star showing up every single game 1434 01:22:44,453 --> 01:22:44,734 [BanKs] Yeah. 1435 01:22:51,051 --> 01:22:54,900 [Devilwalk] I felt like he was a little bit lackluster this major. 1436 01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:55,842 [Devilwalk] Is that fair to say? 1437 01:22:56,182 --> 01:22:58,869 [Devilwalk] Comparably, you know, obviously he set high standards. 1438 01:22:58,069 --> 01:22:59,271 [BanKs] Compared to his normal level. 1439 01:22:59,250 --> 01:23:01,454 [Devilwalk] Yeah, like he set high standards for it. 1440 01:22:59,713 --> 01:23:00,234 [BanKs] Yeah. 1441 01:23:01,655 --> 01:23:03,881 [Devilwalk] Like incredibly high standards. 1442 01:23:04,863 --> 01:23:07,188 [Devilwalk] And I'm used to more from him. 1443 01:23:07,389 --> 01:23:07,810 [Devilwalk] I don't know. 1444 01:23:09,273 --> 01:23:10,274 [Devilwalk] I have a feeling that 1445 01:23:09,884 --> 01:23:12,853 [BanKs] Even in their bad events, he's way above what he showed. 1446 01:23:13,052 --> 01:23:14,497 [BanKs] Yeah, I can agree with that. 1447 01:23:13,731 --> 01:23:14,056 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1448 01:23:15,581 --> 01:23:16,332 [Devilwalk] So it's, 1449 01:23:17,747 --> 01:23:18,670 [Devilwalk] I don't know. 1450 01:23:18,970 --> 01:23:22,538 [Devilwalk] I felt like he wasn't as crisp and he's always crisp. 1451 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:32,742 [Devilwalk] And uncharacteristically, I've re-watched some of the games and some of the duels, it just looked a little bit stressed. 1452 01:23:23,645 --> 01:23:23,725 [BanKs] Hmm. 1453 01:23:33,021 --> 01:23:35,587 [Devilwalk] Didn't look as confident as I normally see him. 1454 01:23:36,832 --> 01:23:50,219 [BanKs] And also, I think that when like, I don't know what it was, I think it was Anubis, there was just like, the parthing and the confidence to go for the same fights, they were making moves as a team, they had the right idea. 1455 01:23:50,259 --> 01:23:51,501 [BanKs] But like, 1456 01:23:52,460 --> 01:24:02,149 [BanKs] Then they were just getting blown up or banged out by Kyosuke or Niko, you know, like, and they, they didn't, it didn't come together for him, you know? 1457 01:24:02,347 --> 01:24:05,514 [Devilwalk] Yeah, but I don't think it's all on Kisarato either. 1458 01:24:05,533 --> 01:24:17,337 [Devilwalk] I think all players, maybe except Molodoy, kind of had a tick down in performance where you normally see... 1459 01:24:14,042 --> 01:24:23,546 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 1460 01:24:19,155 --> 01:24:22,408 [Devilwalk] You know, the great thing about Furia is the way they create chaos, right? 1461 01:24:22,649 --> 01:24:29,756 [Devilwalk] Now, Falcons, they seem to be getting better at it and more used to it with Kerrigan being their caller, but... 1462 01:24:29,737 --> 01:24:42,104 [Devilwalk] They're so good at creating movement around the map and capitalizing on that with, you know, Jekindar doing a quick entry or getting a flank kill or, you know, Kiserato solo lurking into a site. 1463 01:24:42,685 --> 01:24:46,935 [Devilwalk] And there's so many small things constantly happening. 1464 01:24:46,914 --> 01:24:52,405 [Devilwalk] But I think they maybe even got caught a little bit off guard by how Falcons approached this game. 1465 01:24:53,046 --> 01:24:56,394 [Devilwalk] They were constantly in movement, constantly aggressive. 1466 01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:53,890 [BanKs] Yeah. 1467 01:24:56,835 --> 01:24:58,337 [Devilwalk] They wanted to trade down. 1468 01:24:58,417 --> 01:25:04,149 [Devilwalk] And these are usually a situation Furia play really, really well when it's 3v3s or 4v4s. 1469 01:25:04,189 --> 01:25:06,274 [Devilwalk] There's a bit more space on the map. 1470 01:25:06,253 --> 01:25:10,761 [Devilwalk] And it felt like, yeah, they never got into the groove. 1471 01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:13,926 [Devilwalk] It didn't feel like they were in control like they normally were. 1472 01:25:14,894 --> 01:25:20,967 [BanKs] Yeah, and even how, okay, it starts off, you're 8-0 down on Mirage in a major. 1473 01:25:21,328 --> 01:25:22,931 [BanKs] Yeah, but you claw back those last four. 1474 01:25:21,637 --> 01:25:23,301 [Devilwalk] Terrible, terrible start. 1475 01:25:23,252 --> 01:25:24,315 [BanKs] Yeah, it's really rough. 1476 01:25:24,917 --> 01:25:27,181 [BanKs] But then you claw back the four rounds at the end. 1477 01:25:27,162 --> 01:25:29,766 [BanKs] And you think, okay, there's some signs of life. 1478 01:25:27,414 --> 01:25:27,658 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1479 01:25:29,787 --> 01:25:31,872 [BanKs] But then it quickly comes undone, right? 1480 01:25:32,273 --> 01:25:35,899 [BanKs] I don't know what it was with Falcons, but pistol rounds were fantastic. 1481 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,868 [BanKs] But a lot of these rounds weren't even coming down to clutches or anything, yeah? 1482 01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:43,416 [BanKs] I think what there was, was there one pistol round that Furio won? 1483 01:25:44,662 --> 01:25:50,068 [Devilwalk] One pistol round and they got eco the day straight after on Inferno. 1484 01:25:45,217 --> 01:25:46,403 [BanKs] Yeah, 1%. 1485 01:25:46,463 --> 01:25:48,070 [BanKs] And then they... Oh, yeah. 1486 01:25:48,954 --> 01:25:52,792 [BanKs] Yeah, you see, like... That's always going to be tough as well, right? 1487 01:25:53,021 --> 01:25:53,625 [Devilwalk] Yeah, yeah. 1488 01:25:53,595 --> 01:25:53,997 [BanKs] And... 1489 01:25:55,158 --> 01:25:59,666 [BanKs] When you say they were not as sharp, it might have just been, I don't know, could this be a reason? 1490 01:26:00,127 --> 01:26:07,020 [BanKs] Could they maybe not have been as sharp when you didn't play up against the sharpest opponents and then it's the quick getting back used to it? 1491 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,244 [BanKs] Because you've got to remember, a lot of teams have gone home there. 1492 01:26:09,265 --> 01:26:14,314 [BanKs] Your practice is not going to be, you know, you're not practicing to get Falcons before the finals, you know? 1493 01:26:14,597 --> 01:26:22,136 [Devilwalk] Okay, but this is a sign of Furia since way back, even when we were so hyped about them. 1494 01:26:22,197 --> 01:26:24,844 [Devilwalk] The thing is, they have bad starts. 1495 01:26:22,731 --> 01:26:25,536 [BanKs] Yeah. 1496 01:26:24,823 --> 01:26:26,546 [Devilwalk] It's always been their thing. 1497 01:26:27,087 --> 01:26:28,349 [Devilwalk] They claw their way back. 1498 01:26:28,429 --> 01:26:30,872 [Devilwalk] They finally get your grasp of the game. 1499 01:26:31,394 --> 01:26:42,029 [Devilwalk] But I think when you play a Falcons who get eight rounds in a row and you never get a good start on the map. 1500 01:26:42,048 --> 01:26:44,773 [Devilwalk] You never... I feel like 1501 01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:48,840 [Devilwalk] It's too little too late if you don't win a second pistol. 1502 01:26:49,462 --> 01:26:57,118 [Devilwalk] I think this game probably could have looked a lot, you know, these maps could have looked a lot more different. 1503 01:26:57,139 --> 01:27:00,706 [Devilwalk] Like Mirage, if they could have taken a pistol and converted. 1504 01:27:00,827 --> 01:27:04,474 [Devilwalk] But the fact is also they were bad in anti-ecos. 1505 01:27:04,654 --> 01:27:07,520 [Devilwalk] Falcons were overpowering them when they had pistols. 1506 01:27:07,501 --> 01:27:14,828 [Devilwalk] falcons were you know constantly getting them back when they instantly and you know you look at 1507 01:27:07,889 --> 01:27:25,239 [BanKs] No. 1508 01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:23,957 [Devilwalk] You know, obviously they won the pistol in Inferno, Falcons take three in a row, they win two in a row, and then it's just Falcons running them over. 1509 01:27:25,862 --> 01:27:29,909 [Devilwalk] They never really got a grasp of the game, I felt like. 1510 01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:33,478 [Devilwalk] I mean, on Mirage, they could have. 1511 01:27:30,855 --> 01:27:40,434 [BanKs] I was going to say that it, I would say that they never had, they never had a control, which made me believe they were going to win a map. 1512 01:27:34,779 --> 01:27:36,023 [Devilwalk] It looked like they could have. 1513 01:27:41,256 --> 01:27:45,203 [BanKs] You know, there was never a moment where it looked like they had 1514 01:27:41,587 --> 01:27:43,313 [Devilwalk] No, no, no. 1515 01:27:45,604 --> 01:28:02,787 [BanKs] falcons pushed on the edge or you know they were the better and i honestly thought anubis even though like it was the pick of falcons yeah but then josuke's t-side entries bro we'll get on to that when we talk falcons but oh there was like 1516 01:27:50,972 --> 01:27:54,601 [Devilwalk] Anubis 7.5 half, it looked a bit shaky. 1517 01:28:03,592 --> 01:28:06,305 [BanKs] glimmers of hope, and then quickly ripped away. 1518 01:28:06,345 --> 01:28:10,988 [BanKs] There was never a chance of this back and forth game and it looking like there was a fight on their hands. 1519 01:28:11,811 --> 01:28:17,966 [Devilwalk] It never really stabilized for Furia's favor, I think. 1520 01:28:17,985 --> 01:28:19,349 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I don't know. 1521 01:28:19,368 --> 01:28:21,613 [Devilwalk] I agree with you. 1522 01:28:22,015 --> 01:28:28,689 [Devilwalk] Whenever I looked at this match, I was almost certain that Falcons were going to win no matter what. 1523 01:28:29,395 --> 01:28:30,476 [BanKs] Yeah. 1524 01:28:30,497 --> 01:28:32,701 [BanKs] I didn't expect a 3-0. 1525 01:28:33,261 --> 01:28:38,930 [BanKs] And I even fought on the Anubis, which remember, there was a time where Furia was very strong on Anubis, like a really key map for them. 1526 01:28:39,811 --> 01:28:41,354 [BanKs] Maybe they had a trick up their sleeve here. 1527 01:28:41,395 --> 01:28:43,819 [BanKs] Maybe they've been practicing it and just not playing some officials on it. 1528 01:28:44,340 --> 01:28:49,108 [BanKs] But no, it just all quickly fell apart for them. 1529 01:28:49,256 --> 01:28:53,408 [BanKs] And I still think this is a positive for Furia, considering the year they had. 1530 01:28:53,707 --> 01:28:55,332 [BanKs] It's still second place at a major. 1531 01:28:54,488 --> 01:28:56,957 [Devilwalk] So huge positive, huge positive. 1532 01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:02,301 [Devilwalk] The expectations going into this major were not making a grand final. 1533 01:28:57,719 --> 01:29:01,689 [BanKs] But it still shows there's... No. 1534 01:29:02,542 --> 01:29:05,072 [Devilwalk] There's... 1535 01:29:02,731 --> 01:29:03,854 [BanKs] It was just making playoffs. 1536 01:29:04,496 --> 01:29:06,320 [BanKs] Just playoffs was going to be positive for them. 1537 01:29:06,216 --> 01:29:12,332 [Devilwalk] I don't think Furia were in contention or in the conversation of who is going to win the major. 1538 01:29:12,453 --> 01:29:16,141 [Devilwalk] I think it was very much a vitality spirit question. 1539 01:29:13,033 --> 01:29:15,498 [BanKs] No. 1540 01:29:15,519 --> 01:29:28,342 [BanKs] Vitality, Spirit, Na'Vi, and people like me, remember I said it here, like, oh, Kerrigan can do some magic, but that was just my blind belief in Kerrigan. 1541 01:29:27,125 --> 01:29:30,972 [Devilwalk] I didn't think Falcons could win the major. 1542 01:29:31,253 --> 01:29:31,975 [Devilwalk] I'll be honest. 1543 01:29:31,444 --> 01:29:38,148 [BanKs] I said Falcons could win a tournament with Kerrigan before this ends, but I thought it was going to be CAC, not the major. 1544 01:29:38,970 --> 01:29:39,210 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1545 01:29:40,716 --> 01:29:42,242 [BanKs] I did not think it was going to be the major. 1546 01:29:43,164 --> 01:29:43,445 [BanKs] Um, 1547 01:29:44,371 --> 01:29:45,353 [BanKs] But let's get into it. 1548 01:29:45,372 --> 01:29:46,555 [BanKs] Let's get on to Falcons from there. 1549 01:29:46,574 --> 01:29:52,487 [BanKs] I think for Furia, let me just look quickly at their first half of this season. 1550 01:29:52,506 --> 01:29:53,809 [BanKs] So I'm on my 4G. 1551 01:29:53,890 --> 01:29:55,453 [BanKs] I'm just trying to load it all up and see. 1552 01:29:56,333 --> 01:29:57,896 [BanKs] This will be slow, of course. 1553 01:29:58,377 --> 01:29:59,059 [Devilwalk] Just events. 1554 01:30:00,061 --> 01:30:00,743 [BanKs] Yeah, events. 1555 01:30:01,644 --> 01:30:04,250 [Devilwalk] Well, I mean, they had a second place in Krakow. 1556 01:30:05,161 --> 01:30:06,076 [BanKs] Yep, at the beginning. 1557 01:30:07,978 --> 01:30:08,659 [Devilwalk] Let me see here. 1558 01:30:09,261 --> 01:30:10,663 [Devilwalk] Klush was 5th to 8th. 1559 01:30:12,628 --> 01:30:17,179 [Devilwalk] EPL, they got 9th to 11th. 1560 01:30:16,737 --> 01:30:35,877 [BanKs] don't count EPL it's not a big event so like Rotterdam 7-8 Rio 4 7-8 from rivals which is last place which was a crazy one then they had to bounce back for Astana to at least be in playoffs and then second so like it's a lot of up and downs a lot of inconsistency but I will say this right for Fulham 10 years later to be in the grand final 1561 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,637 [Devilwalk] Okay, Rotterdam, yeah. 1562 01:30:35,856 --> 01:30:54,016 [BanKs] when he probably was talking about retirement ages ago and didn't happen and now he's on his retirement run it doesn't end the story the golden way you would hope and he lifts the trophy 10 years later but just the fact he's still doing it with a international lineup is incredible yeah 1563 01:30:51,347 --> 01:30:52,457 [Devilwalk] It's still incredible. 1564 01:30:53,324 --> 01:30:54,193 [Devilwalk] Still incredible. 1565 01:30:55,201 --> 01:30:56,007 [Devilwalk] No matter what. 1566 01:30:55,381 --> 01:30:59,595 [BanKs] And I think that and I think they still just keep rocking what this team won't change. 1567 01:30:59,615 --> 01:31:04,091 [BanKs] It's going to keep going until falling goes and then we'll see what happens after that. 1568 01:31:05,135 --> 01:31:13,594 [BanKs] And it's about just trying to make the most of this journey and keep the experience going, try and get a couple more trophies under Fulham if possible. 1569 01:31:14,136 --> 01:31:17,203 [BanKs] But I still think they're way off where we were at the end of last year. 1570 01:31:17,684 --> 01:31:18,725 [BanKs] I still think that's still huge. 1571 01:31:18,112 --> 01:31:18,891 [Devilwalk] A way off. 1572 01:31:18,765 --> 01:31:22,113 [BanKs] Even with the second place, it's just not even close in the conversation. 1573 01:31:23,292 --> 01:31:25,234 [BanKs] And that comes from a lot of these position changes. 1574 01:31:25,675 --> 01:31:27,637 [BanKs] Did you watch the Molodoy player profile? 1575 01:31:28,097 --> 01:31:31,042 [BanKs] By the way, I knew about all these player profiles except for Apex. 1576 01:31:31,301 --> 01:31:34,546 [BanKs] Because I saw Freya in Kazakhstan. 1577 01:31:34,567 --> 01:31:35,387 [BanKs] She posted a story. 1578 01:31:35,728 --> 01:31:37,770 [BanKs] So I was like, okay, Molodoy has to be getting a player profile. 1579 01:31:38,176 --> 01:31:56,823 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1580 01:31:38,190 --> 01:31:40,434 [BanKs] And then obviously I knew from Munnessy that he was doing his one. 1581 01:31:40,875 --> 01:31:42,617 [BanKs] So I thought, okay. 1582 01:31:42,596 --> 01:31:45,021 [BanKs] Like, I'm not going to leak it, right? 1583 01:31:45,082 --> 01:31:46,185 [BanKs] It's an amazing piece of content. 1584 01:31:46,204 --> 01:31:47,606 [BanKs] We'll let that happen and run out. 1585 01:31:47,967 --> 01:31:54,462 [BanKs] But when you saw that Molodoy one and how much of a father figure Fallen is and stuff, it makes me more worried about what's going to happen when he goes. 1586 01:31:55,765 --> 01:31:57,889 [BanKs] Like, I'm more concerned for this team than I was before. 1587 01:31:56,844 --> 01:31:56,944 [Devilwalk] Well, 1588 01:31:59,050 --> 01:32:04,970 [Devilwalk] Well, I think it all depends in what case he leaves, you know. 1589 01:32:04,989 --> 01:32:10,207 [Devilwalk] I have imagined that Fallen stays within the organization. 1590 01:32:11,791 --> 01:32:17,302 [Devilwalk] And perhaps does more of an overview kind of thing and helps the team that way. 1591 01:32:15,806 --> 01:32:31,572 [BanKs] Yep. 1592 01:32:17,342 --> 01:32:24,158 [Devilwalk] I'm not sure, but I think it would be weird if you just cut it all. 1593 01:32:25,140 --> 01:32:31,132 [Devilwalk] So I think he will still be there, be around the team, help the team kind of transition without him. 1594 01:32:32,833 --> 01:32:40,552 [Devilwalk] So I don't think it's going to be daddy left and is never coming back kind of thing. 1595 01:32:42,301 --> 01:32:43,422 [BanKs] Yeah, okay, okay. 1596 01:32:44,224 --> 01:32:46,627 [BanKs] But I'm thinking he's got to have some time off properly. 1597 01:32:47,970 --> 01:32:49,873 [BanKs] And the baby question as well. 1598 01:32:48,252 --> 01:32:49,154 [Devilwalk] Oh, for sure. 1599 01:32:49,877 --> 01:32:55,734 [Devilwalk] It's not going to be there every event and all that kind of stuff, but I don't think he's going to be out of reach. 1600 01:32:52,618 --> 01:32:52,878 [BanKs] Yeah. 1601 01:32:56,786 --> 01:32:57,747 [BanKs] Yeah, true, true, true. 1602 01:32:58,247 --> 01:33:00,131 [BanKs] And he'll definitely always pick up the phone to Molodoy. 1603 01:33:00,271 --> 01:33:01,474 [BanKs] That's without a doubt. 1604 01:33:00,868 --> 01:33:01,069 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1605 01:33:01,993 --> 01:33:19,868 [BanKs] so the unlikely winners of im clone 2026 major falcons look just all these storylines that go into this by the way kiosk game you know a playoff choker nope that's not even a thing anymore um 1606 01:33:20,421 --> 01:33:22,627 [BanKs] Kerrigan shouldn't even have been at the major. 1607 01:33:22,667 --> 01:33:24,671 [BanKs] Didn't qualify with face. 1608 01:33:25,252 --> 01:33:25,474 [BanKs] Yeah. 1609 01:33:26,154 --> 01:33:29,462 [BanKs] Historically, some of the worst performances possible, but I don't give a damn about that. 1610 01:33:30,225 --> 01:33:32,449 [BanKs] Nico supposedly choking all the time. 1611 01:33:32,510 --> 01:33:33,431 [BanKs] Can't make it work. 1612 01:33:33,452 --> 01:33:35,476 [BanKs] Performing incredibly well across the whole event. 1613 01:33:35,457 --> 01:33:54,529 [BanKs] zonic fraud coach can't his team can't lift another trophy doesn't matter he's done five times the majors which no one else has done by the way now he's done it six times you know he actually he's in a complete league of his own even dupree's not catching him you know it's only apex that can try at this point um and robs um but 1614 01:33:54,761 --> 01:33:59,108 [BanKs] This run, I want to touch on it player by player with you, okay? 1615 01:33:59,889 --> 01:34:04,315 [BanKs] So group stage, they play G2, Betboom, Monty, Na'Vi. 1616 01:34:05,237 --> 01:34:08,100 [BanKs] And Kiyosuke is not up to standards. 1617 01:34:08,462 --> 01:34:12,027 [BanKs] He's not playing as good as, you know, what is expected of him. 1618 01:34:12,046 --> 01:34:13,429 [BanKs] They even lose to Betboom, you know? 1619 01:34:14,539 --> 01:34:20,833 [BanKs] Then we get into the playoffs and he's playing like a beast. 1620 01:34:21,815 --> 01:34:22,578 [BanKs] And do you know what? 1621 01:34:22,637 --> 01:34:25,363 [BanKs] It's so sad that I'll say this. 1622 01:34:25,384 --> 01:34:29,432 [BanKs] This is the biggest gripe I have with what I saw for Cologne. 1623 01:34:30,234 --> 01:34:33,060 [BanKs] And people are just going to go like, oh, it's because you weren't there. 1624 01:34:33,081 --> 01:34:33,983 [BanKs] It's because you weren't hired. 1625 01:34:34,385 --> 01:34:40,859 [BanKs] But for a major, when the team wins, every player and the coach needs to be interviewed. 1626 01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:48,835 [BanKs] Even if they just answer one question, everyone has to be spoken to because this is a historic moment of their careers. 1627 01:34:48,854 --> 01:34:51,060 [BanKs] They might never win a major again. 1628 01:34:51,158 --> 01:34:55,947 [BanKs] Let them have that enjoyment of the crowd, not just the feeling of winning, but saying something. 1629 01:34:56,028 --> 01:34:57,690 [BanKs] Even if it's just like what Broky did to me. 1630 01:34:58,091 --> 01:34:59,975 [BanKs] He's like, I fucking did it. 1631 01:35:00,296 --> 01:35:01,037 [BanKs] Yeah, that was it. 1632 01:35:01,137 --> 01:35:02,038 [BanKs] That's all I needed from Broky. 1633 01:35:01,283 --> 01:35:01,644 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1634 01:35:02,319 --> 01:35:02,860 [BanKs] That's all I'll take. 1635 01:35:03,322 --> 01:35:03,703 [BanKs] That's it. 1636 01:35:04,304 --> 01:35:04,725 [BanKs] There we go. 1637 01:35:05,707 --> 01:35:10,416 [BanKs] It doesn't have to be a masterpiece of words, but give them that moment. 1638 01:35:10,953 --> 01:35:11,434 [BanKs] And guess what? 1639 01:35:11,533 --> 01:35:12,836 [BanKs] Kioski didn't get it that moment. 1640 01:35:13,396 --> 01:35:15,359 [BanKs] And, oh, I'll give you a fun story. 1641 01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:18,324 [BanKs] So, obviously, being a talent is amazing, yeah? 1642 01:35:18,845 --> 01:35:19,688 [BanKs] I request the player. 1643 01:35:19,828 --> 01:35:22,171 [BanKs] I get the player I want pretty much nine times out of ten. 1644 01:35:22,292 --> 01:35:24,456 [BanKs] Sometimes they're sick or something happens, you don't get them. 1645 01:35:25,197 --> 01:35:25,957 [BanKs] So... 1646 01:35:26,257 --> 01:35:36,657 [BanKs] When I'm working like as just a content creator and I'm on the media side for this Argentinian broadcast, right, I go down and there's just 1647 01:35:36,855 --> 01:35:40,728 [BanKs] All these press, bro, it's a sweaty, horrible mess room. 1648 01:35:41,130 --> 01:35:44,621 [BanKs] Like what I entered into was nothing like I expected people would stand. 1649 01:35:44,782 --> 01:35:48,975 [BanKs] I've seen them right when I'm at events, but you stand by the wall, they set up their cameras. 1650 01:35:48,567 --> 01:35:48,911 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1651 01:35:48,954 --> 01:35:51,760 [BanKs] At a major, I've worked all the last majors since 2019. 1652 01:35:52,542 --> 01:35:56,429 [BanKs] So I've not seen how bad, like there is more press than ever before, right? 1653 01:35:56,448 --> 01:35:57,110 [BanKs] Because it's a major. 1654 01:35:57,872 --> 01:35:58,594 [BanKs] There's no room. 1655 01:35:58,694 --> 01:36:02,761 [BanKs] Like you're just all like this, trying to talk and get in to do an interview. 1656 01:36:03,603 --> 01:36:08,752 [BanKs] And the players walk through, you know, and you have to ask them and they can obviously say no. 1657 01:36:09,002 --> 01:36:10,970 [BanKs] So, Kiyosuke comes. 1658 01:36:11,532 --> 01:36:12,635 [BanKs] He doesn't expect to see me there. 1659 01:36:12,675 --> 01:36:17,050 [BanKs] And I'm like, brother, please, can you chat to me in the Argentinian stream? 1660 01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:18,976 [BanKs] And he goes, only for you. 1661 01:36:19,016 --> 01:36:20,582 [BanKs] And I was like... 1662 01:36:20,949 --> 01:36:21,610 [BanKs] Praise the Lord. 1663 01:36:21,631 --> 01:36:24,855 [BanKs] Because I was like, bro, we stood there for ages, by the way, like 30 minutes. 1664 01:36:25,296 --> 01:36:26,198 [BanKs] And I'll tell you this. 1665 01:36:26,297 --> 01:36:33,429 [BanKs] I have so much respect for this press and media people to do this because depending on when you get there and set up, that's the space you get and you just got to work within it. 1666 01:36:33,469 --> 01:36:37,574 [BanKs] Like I'm bumping shoulders with next man over here that I don't know and some other guy from... 1667 01:36:38,011 --> 01:36:42,600 [BanKs] Hungarian press into Polish TV and the Serbian guys who I do know. 1668 01:36:42,212 --> 01:36:49,670 [Devilwalk] I'm just imagining how you would be standing there in a sweaty hall. 1669 01:36:47,890 --> 01:36:48,993 [BanKs] I'm so big as well. 1670 01:36:49,690 --> 01:36:55,885 [Devilwalk] And I know, I know, I know how pissed you get at waiting. 1671 01:36:50,856 --> 01:36:52,560 [BanKs] You can see sweat on my shirt. 1672 01:36:57,451 --> 01:37:03,251 [Devilwalk] I can just imagine how tilted you are in those circumstances. 1673 01:36:58,057 --> 01:37:06,104 [BanKs] Do you know the last time I had this, this like this role? 1674 01:37:06,246 --> 01:37:06,426 [BanKs] Yeah. 1675 01:37:06,447 --> 01:37:09,537 [BanKs] When I did this press stuff, 2018 face it major. 1676 01:37:08,188 --> 01:37:08,287 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1677 01:37:10,158 --> 01:37:12,748 [BanKs] That's the last time I did this kind of activity, right? 1678 01:37:13,010 --> 01:37:16,083 [BanKs] Obviously the HLTV guys do amazing interviews, amazing work. 1679 01:37:16,104 --> 01:37:18,193 [BanKs] Some of my friends as well from the Polish thing, 1680 01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:22,543 [Devilwalk] Am I going to see other interviews from other platforms and I just hear banks in the background? 1681 01:37:22,725 --> 01:37:23,485 [Devilwalk] Fucking hell. 1682 01:37:24,096 --> 01:37:25,502 [BanKs] No, bro, I was being so careful. 1683 01:37:25,604 --> 01:37:28,175 [BanKs] I literally, I saw Prof, yeah? 1684 01:37:28,475 --> 01:37:29,640 [BanKs] I saw Prof from HRTV. 1685 01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:30,484 [BanKs] He was like over here. 1686 01:37:29,841 --> 01:37:35,793 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1687 01:37:30,845 --> 01:37:32,875 [BanKs] And I'm like, I look at him and I go, 1688 01:37:33,310 --> 01:37:49,581 [BanKs] this like what the fuck are we doing and he bro he's like this he's shaking off his t-shirt i can see sweat stains i'm wearing a black t-shirt and i can see sweat through it you know and everyone's just hoping to get it obviously i'm super lucky because all the players know me right so i'm 1689 01:37:37,411 --> 01:37:44,265 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1690 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:53,649 [BanKs] I got Molodoy, I got Manassi, I got Karaghan, and I got Kiyosuke. 1691 01:37:54,212 --> 01:37:58,341 [BanKs] No other media, and ESL didn't get it for the stage, got Kiyosuke. 1692 01:37:58,582 --> 01:37:59,904 [BanKs] Only me. 1693 01:37:59,925 --> 01:38:01,649 [BanKs] Just because he goes, right, actually. 1694 01:38:01,204 --> 01:38:03,295 [Devilwalk] I mean, we did interview him. 1695 01:38:03,953 --> 01:38:04,515 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah. 1696 01:38:04,895 --> 01:38:05,797 [BanKs] But look at this, right? 1697 01:38:05,023 --> 01:38:05,545 [Devilwalk] Together. 1698 01:38:06,351 --> 01:38:10,801 [BanKs] Back when he did the 2v2, he goes, he goes, thank you. 1699 01:38:08,318 --> 01:38:08,599 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1700 01:38:10,842 --> 01:38:11,685 [BanKs] You are amazing. 1701 01:38:11,904 --> 01:38:14,430 [BanKs] Love to give you interviews because you have nice energy. 1702 01:38:14,451 --> 01:38:15,233 [BanKs] Have a nice night. 1703 01:38:15,252 --> 01:38:17,457 [BanKs] He said that to me after he won the major, bro. 1704 01:38:18,130 --> 01:38:19,193 [BanKs] After he won the major. 1705 01:38:19,212 --> 01:38:22,002 [BanKs] And by the way, Chinese social media took that interview. 1706 01:38:22,322 --> 01:38:23,846 [BanKs] Obviously, they just steal the content, by the way. 1707 01:38:24,148 --> 01:38:28,140 [BanKs] Shout out to the Chinese guys just literally stealing anything they see on Twitter and Instagram. 1708 01:38:28,501 --> 01:38:30,908 [BanKs] But it got like 500,000 views. 1709 01:38:32,002 --> 01:38:34,488 [BanKs] Because it was the only one and they love him, right? 1710 01:38:34,828 --> 01:38:38,497 [BanKs] Because they've got all these people they're obsessed with and they compare him to and stuff. 1711 01:38:38,918 --> 01:38:40,842 [BanKs] So I get to do this epic interview with him. 1712 01:38:41,505 --> 01:38:45,333 [BanKs] And his English is like, dude, his English might actually be better than Monacy. 1713 01:38:46,362 --> 01:38:46,963 [Devilwalk] Really? 1714 01:38:46,376 --> 01:38:49,182 [BanKs] He might have actually... Bro, he's... 1715 01:38:47,985 --> 01:38:52,016 [Devilwalk] But it was pretty decent when we did it, even back then. 1716 01:38:52,056 --> 01:38:55,225 [Devilwalk] But he didn't understand every... Yeah. 1717 01:38:52,572 --> 01:38:54,175 [BanKs] It was good, but he needed Munnessy's help. 1718 01:38:54,735 --> 01:38:55,216 [BanKs] Yeah. 1719 01:38:55,726 --> 01:38:57,050 [Devilwalk] Didn't get every word. 1720 01:38:56,057 --> 01:38:57,279 [BanKs] Obviously, he just won a major. 1721 01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:58,922 [BanKs] He's very hyped about it, yeah? 1722 01:38:58,153 --> 01:38:58,413 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1723 01:38:59,564 --> 01:39:05,954 [BanKs] So he's telling me, he's like, my manager, Kerrigan, everyone told me that it didn't matter what happened in groups. 1724 01:39:06,255 --> 01:39:10,141 [BanKs] And he said, Kerrigan told him that now you're a playoffs player. 1725 01:39:10,679 --> 01:39:12,467 [BanKs] You know, but now that's where you shine. 1726 01:39:12,789 --> 01:39:14,639 [BanKs] Can you bring up his playoff stats for me? 1727 01:39:15,001 --> 01:39:19,322 [BanKs] Because his overall stats, I think he was 13th. 1728 01:39:15,859 --> 01:39:16,538 [Devilwalk] Yes. 1729 01:39:17,377 --> 01:39:32,020 [Devilwalk] He is the highest rated playoff player with a 130 rating, 9 maps, plus 17, 111 KD, but he's obviously had a lot of impact with opening the rounds up, etc. 1730 01:39:31,216 --> 01:39:31,659 [BanKs] Yep. 1731 01:39:33,323 --> 01:39:35,926 [Devilwalk] So he's the highest rated player of the entire major playoff. 1732 01:39:36,547 --> 01:39:41,856 [BanKs] So then let me just give you some more stats because Kerrigan has unleashed this beast. 1733 01:39:41,936 --> 01:39:50,431 [BanKs] This is Kerrigan's doing because what I'm watching, look, anyone who's watching the games, look on the cameras and see how they're interacting every time between rounds. 1734 01:39:50,712 --> 01:39:52,515 [BanKs] If it's a bad round or a good round, 1735 01:39:52,494 --> 01:40:12,207 [BanKs] kiosky's smiling during stupid rounds carrigan's laughing with him at something things are happening here that obviously we can't hear so kiosky yeah he's been crazy his ct side rating went up 0.30 from the group stage to the playoffs and his t side kd went from 0.93 to 1.11 1736 01:40:13,841 --> 01:40:16,104 [BanKs] Those are astronomical improvements. 1737 01:40:14,483 --> 01:40:19,534 [Devilwalk] But you know his T-side rating of the playoff. 1738 01:40:19,555 --> 01:40:25,569 [Devilwalk] 145. 1739 01:40:20,350 --> 01:40:20,591 [BanKs] What? 1740 01:40:20,631 --> 01:40:22,054 [BanKs] Because he was just opening. 1741 01:40:22,134 --> 01:40:24,476 [BanKs] Bro, it was so dirty on Anubis. 1742 01:40:24,516 --> 01:40:26,220 [BanKs] I was wishing I could ever hit a shot like he hit. 1743 01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:32,306 [Devilwalk] 145 rating on T-side. 1744 01:40:31,828 --> 01:40:33,369 [BanKs] Who was closest to him? 1745 01:40:34,193 --> 01:40:35,135 [Devilwalk] There was one better. 1746 01:40:36,033 --> 01:40:36,293 [BanKs] Who? 1747 01:40:36,795 --> 01:40:37,076 [BanKs] Donk. 1748 01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:38,222 [Devilwalk] Dillides. 1749 01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:40,503 [BanKs] In one game. 1750 01:40:40,524 --> 01:40:44,131 [BanKs] In one game where you lost 0-2. 1751 01:40:41,029 --> 01:40:44,557 [Devilwalk] Yeah, in one game. 1752 01:40:44,152 --> 01:40:44,833 [BanKs] We're not counting that. 1753 01:40:44,578 --> 01:40:44,958 [Devilwalk] 150. 1754 01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:50,532 [Devilwalk] And then it was MattisG2 and RopsVitality. 1755 01:40:45,375 --> 01:40:46,278 [BanKs] Yeah. 1756 01:40:46,297 --> 01:40:49,805 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah. 1757 01:40:51,506 --> 01:40:58,445 [BanKs] So I'll let you talk because I know I've rambled on for a bit about this, but I'm saying fuck any of you 1758 01:40:59,371 --> 01:41:05,041 [BanKs] that say Kerrigan is a bot and has a bad rating because he has enabled this. 1759 01:41:05,862 --> 01:41:07,564 [BanKs] He has made this possible. 1760 01:41:07,945 --> 01:41:09,908 [BanKs] He helped to deliver Nico the Major. 1761 01:41:10,250 --> 01:41:15,878 [BanKs] He also, by the way, if you look at some of these rounds, while Kiyosuke is the entry, Tessa's going first. 1762 01:41:15,899 --> 01:41:19,185 [BanKs] Kiyosuke is instant trading if Tessa dies. 1763 01:41:19,164 --> 01:41:25,597 [BanKs] Tarragon sometimes goes first and Kiosk gets into trading every day, but it was crazy. 1764 01:41:26,539 --> 01:41:30,378 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I mean they looked really, really crisp. 1765 01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:31,585 [Devilwalk] They all believed in it. 1766 01:41:31,926 --> 01:41:33,494 [Devilwalk] I think you know 1767 01:41:34,403 --> 01:41:42,014 [Devilwalk] I think some of this is just the fact that you walked through the run of Falcons, right? 1768 01:41:42,554 --> 01:41:57,045 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 1769 01:41:42,734 --> 01:41:50,605 [Devilwalk] The amount of games that they played that were close, that was clutch time, it went into very, very close. 1770 01:41:51,086 --> 01:41:52,328 [Devilwalk] G2 Falcons. 1771 01:41:52,307 --> 01:42:02,989 [Devilwalk] 13-10 win for G2 first map, then 13-8 and 16-13 overtime win the first map or match of stage 3, right? 1772 01:41:57,064 --> 01:41:57,204 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 1773 01:42:03,731 --> 01:42:23,476 [BanKs] Yeah. 1774 01:42:03,891 --> 01:42:05,635 [Devilwalk] We move on to the second one. 1775 01:42:05,836 --> 01:42:09,523 [Devilwalk] They lose to Betboom 13-11 and 13-10, right? 1776 01:42:11,257 --> 01:42:13,061 [Devilwalk] They then go and play Monty. 1777 01:42:14,184 --> 01:42:15,868 [Devilwalk] 13-9, 13-11, 13-10. 1778 01:42:18,051 --> 01:42:20,356 [Devilwalk] They play Na'Vi the next game. 1779 01:42:20,998 --> 01:42:30,498 [Devilwalk] 13-3 obviously won the map, then Na'Vi won 13-7 and won in overtime 19-16 against Na'Vi to make 1780 01:42:23,497 --> 01:42:23,596 [BanKs] Yeah. 1781 01:42:29,381 --> 01:42:32,226 [BanKs] But this is, they used to lose all these overtimes. 1782 01:42:30,832 --> 01:42:49,095 [Devilwalk] and you look at the fucking playoff 13-11 11-11 you know all maps 13-11 against Vitality crazy overtime victories against Spirit on both overtimes there I think 1783 01:42:40,782 --> 01:42:41,643 [BanKs] Fatality, yeah. 1784 01:42:46,011 --> 01:42:46,310 [BanKs] Yeah. 1785 01:42:50,171 --> 01:42:51,963 [Devilwalk] the amount of belief 1786 01:42:53,664 --> 01:42:59,617 [Devilwalk] Plus the fact that I don't think they had an extraordinary amount of pressure going into this major. 1787 01:43:00,018 --> 01:43:03,765 [Devilwalk] Considering that Kerrigan... Yeah. 1788 01:43:00,954 --> 01:43:16,457 [BanKs] They were focused on Singapore. 1789 01:43:04,046 --> 01:43:05,770 [Devilwalk] Like, zero pressure. 1790 01:43:06,130 --> 01:43:07,734 [Devilwalk] Because Kerrigan just moved in. 1791 01:43:07,774 --> 01:43:09,377 [Devilwalk] No one expected them to do so well. 1792 01:43:09,596 --> 01:43:11,421 [Devilwalk] Just instantly on the go. 1793 01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:31,417 [Devilwalk] uh they've obviously showed stumble they stumbled their way through stage three and they just grew better and better and better and had more belief every single time um and it's an unbelievable run because at any point in this stage 1794 01:43:16,478 --> 01:43:16,618 [BanKs] Mm-hmm. 1795 01:43:32,494 --> 01:43:33,155 [BanKs] One mess up. 1796 01:43:32,595 --> 01:43:34,560 [Devilwalk] They could have messed up. 1797 01:43:33,577 --> 01:43:33,737 [BanKs] One. 1798 01:43:34,942 --> 01:43:37,788 [Devilwalk] They could have messed up and this never happened. 1799 01:43:35,399 --> 01:43:35,500 [BanKs] Yeah. 1800 01:43:36,582 --> 01:43:36,801 [BanKs] Yeah. 1801 01:43:37,809 --> 01:43:45,930 [Devilwalk] And it's almost to the fact where it's so similar to Faze's run last major with Kerrigan 1802 01:43:47,581 --> 01:44:01,944 [Devilwalk] it's actually incredible how similar it is because it is one round in so many games that probably should have gotten them, you know, on the other side. 1803 01:43:48,381 --> 01:43:49,103 [BanKs] In some ways. 1804 01:43:56,659 --> 01:44:16,034 [BanKs] yeah and look at this when we focus a bit more on carrigan all right we're done kiosk i hyped all that up carrigan so i said about this ratings what he's doing for his teammates right i don't give a damn about his ratings so i did interview with him right so i'm getting by the way 1805 01:44:16,926 --> 01:44:20,052 [BanKs] I may not be hired for the major, but I'll still be delivering the best interviews possible. 1806 01:44:20,774 --> 01:44:24,841 [BanKs] Kerrigan tells me, yeah, on interview, I said, you going on vacation? 1807 01:44:24,862 --> 01:44:25,984 [BanKs] He said, might take a week break. 1808 01:44:26,064 --> 01:44:26,666 [BanKs] Guess what he's doing? 1809 01:44:27,046 --> 01:44:27,847 [BanKs] Straight to grind. 1810 01:44:28,829 --> 01:44:29,350 [BanKs] He's great. 1811 01:44:29,411 --> 01:44:35,221 [BanKs] He's going to grind his individual level now because he knows it's beyond, like, acceptable. 1812 01:44:35,539 --> 01:44:37,345 [BanKs] He's done all these team things, done all that. 1813 01:44:37,586 --> 01:44:40,654 [BanKs] Now when they're breaking, when they're having vacation, I'm going to be grinding. 1814 01:44:41,034 --> 01:44:42,238 [BanKs] I'm going to be on my death match. 1815 01:44:42,257 --> 01:44:43,721 [BanKs] I'm going to be pushing my time into the game. 1816 01:44:44,784 --> 01:44:47,492 [BanKs] He's always been a hard worker, but that's crazy. 1817 01:44:47,792 --> 01:44:50,780 [BanKs] After the year he's had, 1818 01:44:51,554 --> 01:44:53,938 [BanKs] Heartbreaking disappointment back into this, yeah? 1819 01:44:54,458 --> 01:44:56,582 [BanKs] And then look at the revenge run he had. 1820 01:44:57,283 --> 01:44:59,207 [BanKs] Na'Vi beat him in Copenhagen for the Major. 1821 01:44:59,528 --> 01:45:00,470 [BanKs] He beats them 2-1. 1822 01:45:00,911 --> 01:45:03,496 [BanKs] Vitality beat him in Budapest at the Major. 1823 01:45:03,855 --> 01:45:04,618 [BanKs] He beats them 2-1. 1824 01:45:05,378 --> 01:45:08,304 [BanKs] Spirit beat him for the Major in Shanghai. 1825 01:45:08,585 --> 01:45:09,867 [BanKs] He beats them 2-1. 1826 01:45:10,774 --> 01:45:23,890 [BanKs] Not only did you cook up a storm, but you got revenge for yourself, for the heartbreaks, for the man who has, let's look at this, one, two, three, four second places, starting all the way back at E-League Major 2018. 1827 01:45:11,381 --> 01:45:11,690 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1828 01:45:25,394 --> 01:45:26,757 [BanKs] Eight years ago. 1829 01:45:26,992 --> 01:45:33,230 [BanKs] And then on top of it, you lost that major with Nico and you probably should have won it like nine times out of 10. 1830 01:45:33,773 --> 01:45:36,039 [BanKs] And then you deliver him his first major. 1831 01:45:34,061 --> 01:45:36,668 [Devilwalk] Probably 99 out of 100. 1832 01:45:36,689 --> 01:45:46,756 [Devilwalk] 60 days. 1833 01:45:38,568 --> 01:45:56,188 [BanKs] 99.9 um but yeah eight years later you join back up with nico and in less what it's less than three months it's 60 63 days or six when he said right you you deliver nico the major that he's been looking for for so long and everyone said was missing from his cabinet you know 1834 01:45:49,484 --> 01:45:49,725 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1835 01:45:55,527 --> 01:45:58,676 [Devilwalk] Ever since that moment, they were playing together. 1836 01:45:58,447 --> 01:46:00,350 [BanKs] Oh, I missed one thing with Kiyosuke. 1837 01:46:00,371 --> 01:46:00,931 [BanKs] I'm so sorry. 1838 01:46:01,011 --> 01:46:03,036 [BanKs] Let me just go backtrack a little bit. 1839 01:46:02,046 --> 01:46:04,271 [Devilwalk] Yeah, we can go back a little bit. 1840 01:46:03,856 --> 01:46:04,337 [BanKs] Yeah. 1841 01:46:04,358 --> 01:46:13,175 [BanKs] Because I'm so hyped about this because you may have not got it from the interview on the stage, but I've got so much information by just talking to the guys afterwards that Kiyosuke, right? 1842 01:46:13,376 --> 01:46:14,597 [BanKs] If he, so let's look at this. 1843 01:46:14,717 --> 01:46:17,703 [BanKs] If he had probably, and I'm guessing this, this is a guess. 1844 01:46:17,801 --> 01:46:23,092 [BanKs] But look how people who played really well in the finals and playoffs won MVPs, yeah? 1845 01:46:23,753 --> 01:46:25,618 [BanKs] So against Furia, Niko went 1.43%. 1846 01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:28,082 [BanKs] Kyosuke, 1.34%. 1847 01:46:28,283 --> 01:46:30,427 [BanKs] Manassi, 1.31%. 1848 01:46:30,542 --> 01:46:36,034 [BanKs] Then you said the playoff performance for Kiyosuke was 1.30, where for Manassi it was 1.24. 1849 01:46:36,256 --> 01:46:48,061 [BanKs] I think if Kiyosuke hit the same performance as Nico in that grand final, if you swapped their ratings, right, and it was Kiyosuke dominating like that, he probably would have been MVP as well. 1850 01:46:37,462 --> 01:46:37,783 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1851 01:46:49,136 --> 01:46:49,597 [Devilwalk] Probably. 1852 01:46:49,155 --> 01:46:50,458 [BanKs] I'm just thinking of how they've been. 1853 01:46:50,498 --> 01:46:53,166 [BanKs] He could have, he could have certainly been a looking for it, right? 1854 01:46:53,185 --> 01:46:57,356 [BanKs] Could have made that conversation harder and with the role he's playing, right? 1855 01:46:57,377 --> 01:47:02,189 [BanKs] And, and what he has to do is the, the, you got to look at it. 1856 01:46:58,252 --> 01:46:59,154 [Devilwalk] A hundred percent. 1857 01:46:59,293 --> 01:46:59,914 [Devilwalk] A hundred percent. 1858 01:47:02,208 --> 01:47:02,489 [BanKs] Um, 1859 01:47:02,900 --> 01:47:10,134 [Devilwalk] But I mean, even, you know, Kerrigan going into that conversation, I think it ties into Kyosuke. 1860 01:47:10,154 --> 01:47:12,918 [Devilwalk] You know, you talked about him kind of 1861 01:47:12,899 --> 01:47:18,251 [Devilwalk] you know, how he's kind of with him, next to him and all of that. 1862 01:47:17,354 --> 01:47:30,097 [BanKs] Yeah. 1863 01:47:18,953 --> 01:47:24,444 [Devilwalk] But it's also the matter of the fact is when you have someone 1864 01:47:24,425 --> 01:47:28,117 [Devilwalk] that is willing to do whatever, and I mean whatever. 1865 01:47:28,337 --> 01:47:36,222 [Devilwalk] It doesn't matter if it's hiding in smokes, if it's pushing smokes, if it's doing something absolutely bonkers. 1866 01:47:36,203 --> 01:47:46,229 [Devilwalk] Kerrigan will do it he doesn't shy away from doing it just because he is technically individually worse 1867 01:47:40,472 --> 01:47:40,814 [BanKs] No. 1868 01:47:42,315 --> 01:47:42,856 [BanKs] No ego. 1869 01:47:46,210 --> 01:47:52,010 [Devilwalk] Which some players can do, you know, we can talk about when you go up against a Dong or whatever. 1870 01:47:52,050 --> 01:47:57,789 [Devilwalk] Maybe an AWPer who goes up against Monacy thinks, you know, 1871 01:47:56,738 --> 01:47:56,877 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 1872 01:47:57,770 --> 01:48:14,395 [Devilwalk] maybe it's not smart to go up and take a duel against this kid because he's so skilled kargan has none of that and i think that also influences the rest of the team in a way you know okay if he's willing to do it i'm like at least three times better aim wise 1873 01:48:14,610 --> 01:48:20,018 [BanKs] Definitely. 1874 01:48:15,774 --> 01:48:18,641 [Devilwalk] then I should be able to do it and get impact as well, right? 1875 01:48:19,484 --> 01:48:33,716 [Devilwalk] And I think it pushes the whole team in a direction where they're more willing to do stuff and they're willing to make mistakes that you find more success by having that mentality. 1876 01:48:28,590 --> 01:48:33,275 [BanKs] Yeah. 1877 01:48:33,296 --> 01:48:33,395 [BanKs] Yeah. 1878 01:48:34,725 --> 01:48:38,131 [Devilwalk] I think that lines in with Kioski as well. 1879 01:48:38,372 --> 01:48:40,896 [Devilwalk] Willing to make a mistake when it goes into playoff. 1880 01:48:40,917 --> 01:48:42,659 [Devilwalk] When he's playing these big games. 1881 01:48:42,699 --> 01:48:44,302 [Devilwalk] He's not scared to make a mistake. 1882 01:48:44,323 --> 01:48:45,444 [Devilwalk] Because you know what? 1883 01:48:46,006 --> 01:48:49,190 [Devilwalk] I have a guy on 0-60 rating. 1884 01:48:50,234 --> 01:48:51,719 [Devilwalk] Who keeps trying. 1885 01:48:51,798 --> 01:48:53,985 [Devilwalk] Keeps doing what is needed for the team. 1886 01:48:54,025 --> 01:48:55,069 [Devilwalk] And keeps pushing. 1887 01:48:54,554 --> 01:48:55,536 [BanKs] Keeps making moves. 1888 01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:58,179 [Devilwalk] When there's an opportunity. 1889 01:48:58,219 --> 01:48:58,841 [Devilwalk] He takes it. 1890 01:48:59,725 --> 01:49:01,770 [BanKs] Yeah. 1891 01:48:59,743 --> 01:49:00,766 [Devilwalk] Of course I should. 1892 01:49:02,853 --> 01:49:02,993 [BanKs] Yeah. 1893 01:49:03,614 --> 01:49:04,837 [BanKs] Next, I want to talk about Manassi. 1894 01:49:05,238 --> 01:49:06,822 [BanKs] Obviously, he was the MVP of the event. 1895 01:49:07,122 --> 01:49:11,854 [BanKs] But for me, while it wasn't some record-breaking MVP numbers... 1896 01:49:11,833 --> 01:49:16,140 [BanKs] It was so beautifully done that before the playoffs, 1.27 rating, yeah? 1897 01:49:16,662 --> 01:49:17,743 [BanKs] In playoffs, 1.24. 1898 01:49:18,404 --> 01:49:19,667 [BanKs] Incredibly consistent. 1899 01:49:19,967 --> 01:49:24,034 [BanKs] He only had like, the Inferno, they still won 13-8, but he dropped to 5 for 12. 1900 01:49:24,555 --> 01:49:26,958 [BanKs] You know, maybe it was a bit of like, obviously it's Inferno. 1901 01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:28,081 [BanKs] It's hard anyway. 1902 01:49:28,489 --> 01:49:29,657 [Devilwalk] It's a tough hoping map. 1903 01:49:28,582 --> 01:49:30,265 [BanKs] How many terrorist rounds did it play? 1904 01:49:30,244 --> 01:49:40,439 [BanKs] um yeah he went two for six on the t side didn't play many t rounds and ct side anyway he got outplayed by molodoy quite a few times i saw it um 1905 01:49:41,197 --> 01:49:47,039 [BanKs] But still, still, the consistency he showed across all of it was crazy. 1906 01:49:47,261 --> 01:49:51,578 [BanKs] The clutches, the work he was able to put up there, you know, like, 1907 01:49:52,283 --> 01:49:54,170 [BanKs] And also he kept on his promise. 1908 01:49:54,189 --> 01:49:58,284 [BanKs] There was people that looked at him when he left G2 and went to follow Nico. 1909 01:49:58,646 --> 01:49:59,791 [BanKs] Why are you following Nico? 1910 01:50:00,032 --> 01:50:03,103 [BanKs] This is a guy that was with him from when he was like, remember, 1911 01:50:03,842 --> 01:50:07,055 [BanKs] When he first joined G2, it was always Nico on the far end and Manassi. 1912 01:50:07,095 --> 01:50:08,701 [BanKs] Same positions they sit on the tables now. 1913 01:50:09,082 --> 01:50:11,731 [BanKs] They even were living in the same city, right? 1914 01:50:11,811 --> 01:50:13,318 [BanKs] When he went to Serbia, you know? 1915 01:50:14,060 --> 01:50:14,240 [BanKs] And, 1916 01:50:14,220 --> 01:50:30,457 [BanKs] you even see this there's moments where Nico's posting pictures with his fiance they're out for dinner and Manassi's there as well this is like a partnership more than a friendship it's like some brotherhood for real yeah and Manassi said this I will deliver Nico his first major 1917 01:50:25,291 --> 01:50:25,618 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1918 01:50:30,606 --> 01:50:50,622 [BanKs] and he kept that promise and this is a young guy who is still humble incredibly well spoken super respectful whenever i talk to him when i talk to and when he talks to my wife for example right when we're there all together and we're spending time together outside of the game um his brother was there his brother's wife was there family cheering him on supporting him in the crowd 1919 01:50:50,603 --> 01:51:09,252 [BanKs] Like, this guy went from speaking Russian on Na'Vi Junior, which was Ukrainian and Russian team, to then going international, being bought out for 600k as a rookie, which was crazy, and then been through hell and back, lost eight finals, eight finals in a row with no trophy. 1920 01:51:08,407 --> 01:51:11,137 [Devilwalk] They put a record, right? 1921 01:51:11,418 --> 01:51:16,779 [Devilwalk] There was some kind of record of longest... You know, record... Yeah. 1922 01:51:15,157 --> 01:51:29,604 [BanKs] drought of it and even he even got two MVPs while losing these finals because of his insanely good performance yeah and you look at the video that's his player profile you hear from his grandma and his mum you know 1923 01:51:29,585 --> 01:51:33,076 [BanKs] His brother, all the way they're talking about him and all he's done. 1924 01:51:33,878 --> 01:51:36,768 [BanKs] He deserves this major win and the MVP by far. 1925 01:51:36,889 --> 01:51:39,155 [BanKs] And he still has so much more to give to the game. 1926 01:51:39,216 --> 01:51:41,382 [BanKs] He is someone that I think 1927 01:51:41,363 --> 01:51:52,047 [BanKs] Other players, because of how humble and how respectful he is and how smart he is with what he's doing and how he's putting his career, other young players should 100% look up to. 1928 01:51:52,889 --> 01:52:09,766 [Devilwalk] 100% I think you know he's incredible in the way that he's such a superstar but incredibly kind well-spoken respectful no matter who he's speaking with I completely agree with you I mean yes 1929 01:52:04,667 --> 01:52:04,948 [BanKs] Yeah. 1930 01:52:07,176 --> 01:52:10,587 [BanKs] Look at how he was for us for hours, for hours when he did that interview with us. 1931 01:52:11,771 --> 01:52:17,688 [Devilwalk] I mean, incredibly good person, and it shines through. 1932 01:52:17,588 --> 01:52:17,748 [BanKs] Yeah. 1933 01:52:17,728 --> 01:52:20,655 [Devilwalk] So yeah, I agree. 1934 01:52:21,096 --> 01:52:21,798 [Devilwalk] Well-earned. 1935 01:52:21,779 --> 01:52:40,091 [Devilwalk] the one thing i'll say is this was wasn't just a monitor show i think it wasn't just you know um like some teams they have like a mvp and you see obviously he's mvp yeah 1936 01:52:27,938 --> 01:52:28,319 [BanKs] No. 1937 01:52:28,338 --> 01:52:29,381 [BanKs] 100%. 1938 01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:38,757 [BanKs] Definitely ZywOo. 1939 01:52:39,378 --> 01:52:40,161 [BanKs] Definitely Donk. 1940 01:52:40,180 --> 01:52:40,782 [BanKs] Yeah, you know. 1941 01:52:40,841 --> 01:52:47,954 [BanKs] It's got to be harder for ZywOo. 1942 01:52:41,792 --> 01:52:42,555 [Devilwalk] This was. 1943 01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:45,360 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1944 01:52:45,822 --> 01:52:48,127 [Devilwalk] But this was a crazy performance. 1945 01:52:48,547 --> 01:52:49,770 [Devilwalk] You know from everyone. 1946 01:52:49,850 --> 01:52:51,394 [Devilwalk] Nico you know he showed up. 1947 01:52:52,657 --> 01:52:53,920 [Devilwalk] And he really wanted this. 1948 01:52:54,260 --> 01:52:55,663 [Devilwalk] You could see it on him. 1949 01:52:54,719 --> 01:52:55,039 [BanKs] Yeah. 1950 01:52:56,864 --> 01:53:05,350 [BanKs] Well, I wanted to save Nico till last because I wanted to do a little bit more on Tess's criminally underrated. 1951 01:52:57,247 --> 01:52:58,569 [Devilwalk] He pushed that extra. 1952 01:52:59,612 --> 01:52:59,832 [Devilwalk] Okay. 1953 01:52:59,853 --> 01:52:59,953 [Devilwalk] Okay. 1954 01:53:03,443 --> 01:53:05,756 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1955 01:53:05,411 --> 01:53:09,403 [BanKs] Also been in a major final before and lost it. 1956 01:53:05,777 --> 01:53:06,400 [Devilwalk] 100%. 1957 01:53:09,653 --> 01:53:12,240 [BanKs] Didn't get a chance to interview as well, right? 1958 01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:10,685 [Devilwalk] Was it heroic? 1959 01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:13,725 [BanKs] Didn't get a chance to be spoken to. 1960 01:53:14,105 --> 01:53:17,095 [BanKs] Tess says has been the one everyone said should be cut. 1961 01:53:17,154 --> 01:53:18,097 [BanKs] He's the next to go. 1962 01:53:18,118 --> 01:53:19,100 [BanKs] And guess what? 1963 01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:22,009 [BanKs] Kerrigan's also unlocked him to be used correctly. 1964 01:53:22,275 --> 01:53:26,264 [BanKs] Tess says, if you, so the good thing is when we were doing that, you know, I said I was in that media press zone. 1965 01:53:26,623 --> 01:53:30,331 [BanKs] Lots of people then after, especially some Danish media, wanted to interview Tess. 1966 01:53:30,411 --> 01:53:31,774 [BanKs] So he did get to do interviews as well. 1967 01:53:31,873 --> 01:53:33,957 [BanKs] I couldn't grab him because at the time I was interviewing Kiosuke. 1968 01:53:35,962 --> 01:53:36,622 [BanKs] But Tess says, 1969 01:53:37,649 --> 01:53:41,456 [BanKs] Bro, the clutches, the great utility. 1970 01:53:41,855 --> 01:53:44,119 [BanKs] Can you bring up clutch stats? 1971 01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:44,761 [BanKs] Can you see that? 1972 01:53:44,332 --> 01:53:46,936 [Devilwalk] Oh, let me see here. 1973 01:53:46,082 --> 01:53:47,125 [BanKs] I know I'm asking you on the fly. 1974 01:53:46,976 --> 01:54:02,204 [Devilwalk] One of four. 1975 01:53:47,204 --> 01:53:53,176 [BanKs] I'll keep glazing testers, but I don't care if his rating isn't what everyone's going to be like. 1976 01:53:53,336 --> 01:53:53,837 [BanKs] Oh, wow. 1977 01:53:53,976 --> 01:53:54,898 [BanKs] It's so amazing. 1978 01:53:54,939 --> 01:53:55,219 [BanKs] Yeah. 1979 01:53:55,942 --> 01:53:58,252 [BanKs] Let's have a look at how did he do in group stage. 1980 01:53:58,271 --> 01:53:59,797 [BanKs] So group stage, 1.10. 1981 01:53:59,958 --> 01:54:05,462 [BanKs] And then if we go overall for the stage, embarrassment. 1982 01:54:04,345 --> 01:54:07,032 [Devilwalk] Yeah, the 104 in, no, no, wait, what? 1983 01:54:07,934 --> 01:54:08,936 [Devilwalk] What am I looking at here? 1984 01:54:09,289 --> 01:54:13,216 [BanKs] We have 1.04 overall, if you put both the group stage and playoffs together. 1985 01:54:13,597 --> 01:54:15,862 [BanKs] And then for playoffs, he was 0.96. 1986 01:54:16,042 --> 01:54:21,752 [BanKs] In his role, with those teammates all around him, taking a lot of the kills away, right? 1987 01:54:16,837 --> 01:54:17,037 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1988 01:54:22,134 --> 01:54:23,515 [BanKs] He is holding his own. 1989 01:54:23,837 --> 01:54:27,382 [BanKs] He is sometimes just going out there to die with Kyosuke trading him off, right? 1990 01:54:27,404 --> 01:54:29,306 [BanKs] That we saw many times on the T side. 1991 01:54:29,287 --> 01:54:32,634 [BanKs] This is a player who has a hundred. 1992 01:54:31,295 --> 01:54:34,981 [Devilwalk] I mean, he has zero space to play the game. 1993 01:54:35,221 --> 01:54:38,368 [Devilwalk] Like, you have Niko. 1994 01:54:35,260 --> 01:54:35,560 [BanKs] Yeah. 1995 01:54:35,820 --> 01:54:35,962 [BanKs] And. 1996 01:54:38,387 --> 01:54:47,886 [Devilwalk] Obviously, Kerrigan is a very active in-game leader as well in rounds, which obviously leaves even less space for Galateses. 1997 01:54:42,154 --> 01:54:42,395 [BanKs] Yeah. 1998 01:54:47,787 --> 01:54:48,729 [BanKs] He's in the corner like this. 1999 01:54:47,865 --> 01:54:52,239 [Devilwalk] But on your point, there's so many moments where 2000 01:54:53,096 --> 01:54:58,429 [Devilwalk] You know, even on Mirage, he gets a double kill when Fury pushes Palace, right? 2001 01:54:58,850 --> 01:55:04,903 [Devilwalk] Because he's incredibly, you know, almost ROPS-like in the way that he takes that first duel. 2002 01:54:58,953 --> 01:55:08,489 [BanKs] Yep. 2003 01:55:04,922 --> 01:55:07,949 [Devilwalk] He doesn't even look all the way into apps. 2004 01:55:07,930 --> 01:55:13,644 [Devilwalk] He takes it, waits four to five seconds, and he's full ready that they are there. 2005 01:55:13,904 --> 01:55:19,037 [Devilwalk] Like 100% ready that they're going to be there and get the double kill and they win the round. 2006 01:55:19,016 --> 01:55:25,354 [Devilwalk] He's not going to get amazed like a lot of kills, but as you say, he's criminally underrated. 2007 01:55:25,694 --> 01:55:34,680 [Devilwalk] He's often left alone on bomb sites with minimal coverage, minimal support, and still gets enough. 2008 01:55:34,659 --> 01:55:39,511 [Devilwalk] for the superstars to kind of bite in and grab the whole round for them. 2009 01:55:39,453 --> 01:55:39,811 [BanKs] Yep. 2010 01:55:41,454 --> 01:55:45,885 [Devilwalk] You know, I can tell you it is incredibly hard to be that kind of like 2011 01:55:45,864 --> 01:56:01,309 [Devilwalk] you know a b-anchor or something like that and your short player is out fighting every single round you probably felt it in faces and you're just sighing and thinking where the fuck is my guy you're never there with me 2012 01:55:59,264 --> 01:55:59,765 [BanKs] Yep. 2013 01:56:01,288 --> 01:56:09,020 [Devilwalk] I'm not saying that is the case, but I'm just saying he doesn't get an overwhelming amount of support and it does really, really well. 2014 01:56:01,731 --> 01:56:01,932 [BanKs] Yep. 2015 01:56:08,194 --> 01:56:08,515 [BanKs] No. 2016 01:56:09,658 --> 01:56:24,188 [BanKs] And this is like, to come back a little bit to Kerrigan just to compliment testers in this is Kerrigan in just a short amount of time understands how to use every piece of this team, which wasn't done in the past. 2017 01:56:24,488 --> 01:56:29,337 [BanKs] And I think even Zonic will be able to say like he didn't see how this could be used, you know, because 2018 01:56:29,251 --> 01:56:29,542 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2019 01:56:31,039 --> 01:56:32,182 [BanKs] This way of playing. 2020 01:56:32,663 --> 01:56:36,332 [BanKs] Munnessy said, I think on the HLTV MVP award interview, right? 2021 01:56:36,694 --> 01:56:41,527 [BanKs] That like, I don't want to misquote it, but my internet doesn't load anything fast here. 2022 01:56:42,989 --> 01:56:43,631 [BanKs] On Kerrigan. 2023 01:56:43,931 --> 01:56:48,284 [BanKs] The things we are doing, all the rotations, the chaos we are building on the server, this is me. 2024 01:56:48,324 --> 01:56:49,087 [BanKs] This is who I am. 2025 01:56:49,127 --> 01:56:51,233 [BanKs] And he's done that for Kyosuke as well. 2026 01:56:51,875 --> 01:56:52,136 [BanKs] You know? 2027 01:56:52,176 --> 01:56:56,127 [BanKs] And also, Niko, let's just... So, have we done on testers? 2028 01:56:56,569 --> 01:56:57,350 [BanKs] The final testers? 2029 01:56:57,819 --> 01:56:59,005 [Devilwalk] I'm fine with testers, yeah. 2030 01:56:59,743 --> 01:57:00,846 [BanKs] Actually, I'll do one more thing. 2031 01:57:00,886 --> 01:57:07,523 [BanKs] Let's just, I'm just going to look quickly because I think Tesla should be glazed a bit more than even what I've tried to do that because I'm, I'm so impressed with him. 2032 01:57:07,884 --> 01:57:08,125 [BanKs] Right. 2033 01:57:08,586 --> 01:57:10,551 [BanKs] Then I'm going to look down all his big events. 2034 01:57:10,952 --> 01:57:11,171 [BanKs] Yeah. 2035 01:57:12,096 --> 01:57:16,454 [BanKs] From his time on Heroic, where they're supposed to have been doing well and all these things, right? 2036 01:57:16,494 --> 01:57:18,543 [BanKs] And all these trophies to their names. 2037 01:57:19,006 --> 01:57:22,359 [BanKs] So on Heroic, they had last Premier Spring Final win. 2038 01:57:22,711 --> 01:57:24,233 [BanKs] Last Premier, full final 2022. 2039 01:57:25,274 --> 01:57:28,039 [BanKs] They then had tons of second places, right? 2040 01:57:28,380 --> 01:57:30,944 [BanKs] Including a major second place as well. 2041 01:57:31,404 --> 01:57:31,625 [BanKs] Yeah? 2042 01:57:31,826 --> 01:57:32,305 [BanKs] Rio 2023. 2043 01:57:32,345 --> 01:57:38,235 [BanKs] This guy has gone through it all for such a long portion of his career. 2044 01:57:33,476 --> 01:57:33,720 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2045 01:57:38,617 --> 01:57:39,537 [BanKs] His career... 2046 01:57:40,210 --> 01:57:44,596 [BanKs] Like if we go back to it from optic heroic, yeah. 2047 01:57:45,217 --> 01:57:58,219 [BanKs] Now to Falcons, the unlikely Falcon who has now helped be part of this, getting his major glory and doing what no one else and probably no one else who was part of that heroic lineup could do. 2048 01:57:59,684 --> 01:58:03,051 [BanKs] I don't think anyone else from the old heroic will have a chance of winning a major. 2049 01:57:59,970 --> 01:58:00,252 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2050 01:58:03,072 --> 01:58:04,215 [BanKs] I could say that quite confidently. 2051 01:58:05,778 --> 01:58:17,043 [BanKs] If you look at where they all are right now. 2052 01:58:06,161 --> 01:58:06,622 [Devilwalk] I think. 2053 01:58:07,716 --> 01:58:16,296 [Devilwalk] I think you're right, but I also think that we have to also appreciate the way that he's been thrown around in this team. 2054 01:58:17,064 --> 01:58:17,305 [BanKs] Yep. 2055 01:58:18,903 --> 01:58:25,438 [Devilwalk] You know, his shift roles multiple times and it's all to cater to his teammates, make sure that they... 2056 01:58:25,417 --> 01:58:39,090 [Devilwalk] are utilized even more he's had to step back further and further back into this team and he's taken it with a stride and he's done incredible work you know there was at one point 2057 01:58:36,994 --> 01:58:37,320 [BanKs] Yep. 2058 01:58:39,069 --> 01:58:48,335 [Devilwalk] That if I would look back at all kind of heroic Tessas and say, like, there's not a chance in hell Tessas is going to be an anchor, you know? 2059 01:58:48,637 --> 01:58:49,500 [BanKs] Yeah. 2060 01:58:50,422 --> 01:58:54,231 [BanKs] Dude, I remember the great spray controls, the multiple modems he would have. 2061 01:58:52,947 --> 01:58:53,569 [Devilwalk] Yes. 2062 01:58:54,592 --> 01:58:57,801 [BanKs] And dude, I'm just, I just looked at him to see he's played nine majors. 2063 01:58:58,082 --> 01:58:58,202 [BanKs] Yeah. 2064 01:58:58,931 --> 01:59:07,863 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2065 01:58:59,244 --> 01:59:03,536 [BanKs] And there was, so the legends for Copenhagen major. 2066 01:59:04,077 --> 01:59:04,198 [BanKs] Yeah. 2067 01:59:04,599 --> 01:59:05,921 [BanKs] That was his worst placing. 2068 01:59:07,657 --> 01:59:10,043 [BanKs] And then other than that, third to fourth, Stockholm. 2069 01:59:07,882 --> 01:59:07,962 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2070 01:59:11,828 --> 01:59:13,012 [BanKs] Quarterfinal, Antwerp. 2071 01:59:13,052 --> 01:59:14,115 [BanKs] Second place, Rio. 2072 01:59:14,277 --> 01:59:15,399 [BanKs] Third to fourth, Paris. 2073 01:59:17,326 --> 01:59:21,176 [BanKs] Quarterfinal, Perfect World, Shanghai Major. 2074 01:59:21,157 --> 01:59:33,225 [BanKs] austin or austin was the worst place to stage two they fell out of then quarterfinal again budapest and now first place people can't just keep looking at stats and criminally underrating 2075 01:59:23,569 --> 01:59:24,720 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2076 01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:42,181 [BanKs] great players like this, who also you don't think, they just think he's in this role now, but what you said, what he's gone through, what he's changed at the same time. 2077 01:59:43,212 --> 01:59:46,179 [Devilwalk] Because this is a huge change. 2078 01:59:43,345 --> 01:59:44,689 [BanKs] It's so cool. 2079 01:59:46,953 --> 01:59:47,215 [BanKs] Yeah. 2080 01:59:47,301 --> 01:59:53,997 [Devilwalk] We were hyping up someone like Heavygold who stepped into that role and took it brilliantly. 2081 01:59:54,332 --> 01:59:54,635 [BanKs] Yep. 2082 01:59:55,359 --> 01:59:58,858 [BanKs] Same thing here without the numbers. 2083 01:59:55,631 --> 01:59:57,314 [Devilwalk] But same thing here. 2084 01:59:57,375 --> 02:00:01,563 [Devilwalk] Tess has done it probably more times, you know, changed position. 2085 02:00:02,064 --> 02:00:05,871 [Devilwalk] At one point, you know, he was the support on the outside, then he became the inner lurker. 2086 02:00:06,773 --> 02:00:12,222 [Devilwalk] All of a sudden, you know, it's a huge shift in what you're doing in the roundabout pacing. 2087 02:00:12,262 --> 02:00:15,649 [Devilwalk] It takes a lot of games to get that going with... 2088 02:00:15,628 --> 02:00:22,918 [Devilwalk] Not only how to play the position in isolation, how to play the position in context of what your team is doing. 2089 02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:28,445 [Devilwalk] So, yeah, huge amount of respect for what is done. 2090 02:00:29,381 --> 02:00:29,905 [BanKs] Definitely. 2091 02:00:30,490 --> 02:00:33,434 [BanKs] And then before we get to Niko, we need to talk about Zonic a bit. 2092 02:00:34,140 --> 02:00:34,684 [BanKs] Because... 2093 02:00:34,454 --> 02:00:34,734 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2094 02:00:35,542 --> 02:00:41,654 [BanKs] For a long time, with how it went after Vitality, I'm even to blame on this. 2095 02:00:41,774 --> 02:00:44,600 [BanKs] I was saying Blade is the goat coach, right? 2096 02:00:44,661 --> 02:00:50,552 [BanKs] Because, yeah, Zonic won more majors, but look at the stuff that Blade had to work with. 2097 02:00:50,592 --> 02:00:53,078 [BanKs] A lot less on the player material. 2098 02:00:53,057 --> 02:01:03,189 [BanKs] But this bounce back, right, of obviously having a voice and being able to say, I'm going to take Kerrigan, which also was a risk to do mid-season and then pull off this major. 2099 02:01:03,551 --> 02:01:06,560 [BanKs] People can't say that it's all Kerrigan. 2100 02:01:06,541 --> 02:01:11,412 [BanKs] And I'm sure Kerrigan won't say it's all Kerrigan with how much Zonic's experience is in there, right? 2101 02:01:11,893 --> 02:01:17,786 [BanKs] But he definitely gave the keys to Kerrigan to allow him to do the things he wanted to do and then backed him up and supported him with it. 2102 02:01:18,226 --> 02:01:23,097 [BanKs] And this is a Zonic who is now 39, was a champion in 1.6, 2103 02:01:23,078 --> 02:01:36,246 [BanKs] Yeah, has the six majors to his name that no one else has across a full Danish lineup into an international vitality and now a very international Falcons as well. 2104 02:01:37,729 --> 02:01:40,293 [BanKs] It is wild the journey he's been on. 2105 02:01:40,712 --> 02:01:44,317 [BanKs] And just when you thought he might be down and out on it, he kicks back in. 2106 02:01:45,002 --> 02:01:46,511 [BanKs] And did you read his tweet earlier? 2107 02:01:46,532 --> 02:01:47,296 [BanKs] Did you see that? 2108 02:01:47,850 --> 02:01:48,439 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2109 02:01:48,460 --> 02:01:50,266 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I did. 2110 02:01:49,572 --> 02:01:55,302 [BanKs] So he wanted to clear up some of the conversation that people were saying about like potentially him retiring. 2111 02:01:55,743 --> 02:02:01,896 [BanKs] And he says, just for clarification, yes, I am tired as any other coach and player is after a long season. 2112 02:02:02,277 --> 02:02:06,244 [BanKs] I've been doing this for 10 years straight with the expectation to win the biggest trophies. 2113 02:02:06,626 --> 02:02:09,572 [BanKs] And I love this life deep down to the bottom of my heart. 2114 02:02:09,551 --> 02:02:14,880 [BanKs] In the landscape of VRS, no Louvre agreement, et cetera, means there is a lot of tournaments. 2115 02:02:15,079 --> 02:02:18,224 [BanKs] Last year, I did some statistics on the spring season of 2025. 2116 02:02:18,664 --> 02:02:25,414 [BanKs] Total calendar days from the 3rd of January to the end of our season, 11th of June, when we lost in Stage 2, 161 days. 2117 02:02:25,574 --> 02:02:26,936 [BanKs] Yeah? 2118 02:02:27,305 --> 02:02:28,287 [BanKs] Days traveling, 126. 2119 02:02:28,327 --> 02:02:29,810 [BanKs] Days off, 24. 2120 02:02:30,411 --> 02:02:31,353 [BanKs] Days at home, 35. 2121 02:02:31,734 --> 02:02:34,538 [BanKs] And he has two kids and a wife and his kids are older and older. 2122 02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:39,529 [BanKs] I remember when they won the first gold bars of Astralis and his kid was on stage as I was giving out the gold bars to them. 2123 02:02:40,570 --> 02:02:40,891 [BanKs] Like, 2124 02:02:40,939 --> 02:02:41,248 [Devilwalk] Hell. 2125 02:02:42,256 --> 02:02:59,386 [BanKs] it's it's gonna it's very hard right to be able to do this life and obviously i love the fact that he's saying he's discussing it all with his wife and what he's working on and them all agreeing it to go forward but he's definitely he's definitely shot a lot of haters up now and you know you you can't 2126 02:03:00,211 --> 02:03:02,256 [BanKs] You can't not say that he is the GOAT coach now. 2127 02:03:02,578 --> 02:03:04,023 [BanKs] No one can argue that now. 2128 02:03:05,086 --> 02:03:08,516 [BanKs] But people will still argue and just say, oh, Kerrigan does it all because some people are stupid. 2129 02:03:05,442 --> 02:03:06,189 [Devilwalk] No, I think 2130 02:03:09,238 --> 02:03:27,518 [Devilwalk] I think sometimes, you know, as a coach, you have to realize, you know, okay, there are some things that I, as a coach, am either not good at or am not good enough at for this team to function in the way that I envision it to function. 2131 02:03:27,953 --> 02:03:28,430 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 2132 02:03:29,675 --> 02:03:37,039 [Devilwalk] And that doesn't mean that you're any worse of a coach because you cannot do these things or can't make it work. 2133 02:03:37,582 --> 02:03:40,932 [Devilwalk] But it's your ultimate responsibility 2134 02:03:40,912 --> 02:03:49,399 [Devilwalk] to give out the tasks for the people around you to make sure that it works or get those aspects that you want into a team. 2135 02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:51,444 [Devilwalk] And he's most certainly done that. 2136 02:03:52,523 --> 02:03:52,832 [BanKs] Yeah. 2137 02:03:52,609 --> 02:03:55,277 [Devilwalk] And I think that's where you, you know, 2138 02:03:55,729 --> 02:04:03,082 [Devilwalk] I think you can criticize sometimes the journey of what has happened throughout. 2139 02:04:04,024 --> 02:04:07,069 [Devilwalk] But it's gone to this period. 2140 02:04:07,130 --> 02:04:08,231 [Devilwalk] He's won another major. 2141 02:04:08,252 --> 02:04:11,797 [Devilwalk] He's done it with three separate teams, if I'm not mistaken. 2142 02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:14,903 [Devilwalk] And no other coach has done this. 2143 02:04:13,381 --> 02:04:14,943 [BanKs] Yep, Astralis vitality. 2144 02:04:15,623 --> 02:04:16,064 [BanKs] Falcons. 2145 02:04:15,710 --> 02:04:18,274 [Devilwalk] And no other coach has done that. 2146 02:04:17,527 --> 02:04:17,787 [BanKs] Yes. 2147 02:04:19,256 --> 02:04:22,301 [Devilwalk] No other coach has been in three different teams and won a major. 2148 02:04:19,630 --> 02:04:20,150 [BanKs] It's bonkers. 2149 02:04:22,921 --> 02:04:26,146 [Devilwalk] That is an unbelievable achievement. 2150 02:04:27,802 --> 02:04:31,006 [BanKs] Now, there's one thing that I can't explain and I need you to explain. 2151 02:04:31,707 --> 02:04:32,149 [BanKs] So 2152 02:04:32,117 --> 02:04:32,216 [Devilwalk] Okay. 2153 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:33,882 [BanKs] Nico. 2154 02:04:35,569 --> 02:04:40,368 [BanKs] An almost MVP level-like performance, especially in playoffs, dominating as well, right? 2155 02:04:35,707 --> 02:04:35,998 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2156 02:04:41,673 --> 02:04:42,055 [BanKs] But... 2157 02:04:42,710 --> 02:04:46,238 [BanKs] How has Carrigan activated him as well as the others? 2158 02:04:46,698 --> 02:04:48,323 [BanKs] Because that's the bit I can't put my foot on. 2159 02:04:48,422 --> 02:04:51,329 [BanKs] Because I want to... Maybe I'll look at some stats as well. 2160 02:04:51,930 --> 02:04:54,778 [BanKs] There was a time where we said about... 2161 02:04:54,757 --> 02:05:13,813 [BanKs] um nico calling too much you know talking too much and it like hindering him and then him struggling in playoffs it's not the most like huge jump up but if we just look at it and compare it to a lot of events this year this major run was definitely better and we know he's still calling the ct sides right 2162 02:05:14,231 --> 02:05:21,948 [BanKs] Is this just synergy with Kerrigan, or is this just what he was able to pull off because it was the major and the desire for it and the run the team was having? 2163 02:05:22,788 --> 02:05:23,770 [BanKs] Where do we put this now? 2164 02:05:23,871 --> 02:05:29,101 [BanKs] Because this was not prime Nikko, but this was dominant Nikko. 2165 02:05:30,854 --> 02:05:36,627 [Devilwalk] I put it on the fact that he doesn't have to be the leader. 2166 02:05:37,823 --> 02:05:46,140 [Devilwalk] I put it on the fact that he doesn't have to be the one to take that leadership mantle. 2167 02:05:46,716 --> 02:05:47,127 [BanKs] Mm hmm. 2168 02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:57,823 [Devilwalk] He can chime in, he can do it when he feels like it, but he's not forced to do it when it takes the most amount of energy to do it. 2169 02:05:57,802 --> 02:06:10,817 [Devilwalk] I think Kerrigan alleviates him some of that responsibility and gives him more focus on the game and what he needs to do and what he needs to produce. 2170 02:06:10,796 --> 02:06:29,615 [Devilwalk] as he once were you know when he was younger and he didn't mantle this leadership role within a team like he he did in g2 like he um did in um in falcons before kerrigan came because no matter what you know kickson is a great in-game leader 2171 02:06:11,371 --> 02:06:13,131 [BanKs] Yeah. 2172 02:06:13,152 --> 02:06:13,314 [BanKs] Yeah. 2173 02:06:29,595 --> 02:06:37,614 [Devilwalk] But to lead a team of this amount of talent and expectation 2174 02:06:38,270 --> 02:06:56,664 [BanKs] Yeah. 2175 02:06:38,556 --> 02:06:47,975 [Devilwalk] There's not that many people that can do, and I think that Kerrigan has alleviated him of responsibilities, maybe, or how should I phrase it? 2176 02:06:48,395 --> 02:06:57,072 [Devilwalk] He doesn't always have to be the guy that everyone leans on, because now he has Kerrigan to back him up in the server. 2177 02:06:56,685 --> 02:06:56,784 [BanKs] Yeah. 2178 02:06:58,402 --> 02:07:15,769 [Devilwalk] i think it's something along those lines that that's you know because i mean most of the great play has been you know vintage nico it's been city size that he's been great on you can look at this um play of statistics 2179 02:06:58,485 --> 02:06:59,136 [BanKs] Yeah. 2180 02:06:59,157 --> 02:06:59,283 [BanKs] Yeah. 2181 02:07:15,748 --> 02:07:27,126 [Devilwalk] let's just put it up here stats players and then playoff let's see here so 2182 02:07:27,105 --> 02:07:30,353 [Devilwalk] Niko obviously ended on 121 rating. 2183 02:07:30,994 --> 02:07:32,157 [Devilwalk] You look at his T-side. 2184 02:07:32,759 --> 02:07:35,585 [Devilwalk] Still significantly nerfed T-sides. 2185 02:07:36,185 --> 02:07:39,292 [Devilwalk] 105 rating with a 0.90 KD. 2186 02:07:36,471 --> 02:07:56,185 [BanKs] yeah when he's calling as well yeah and that read of the game you know the read of the game the knowledge of what people are doing 2187 02:07:39,273 --> 02:07:54,918 [Devilwalk] on T sides but his CT side is the best player of the entire event it's a 135 rating and 146 KD in 9 maps yeah and I think it 2188 02:07:56,603 --> 02:08:06,850 [Devilwalk] I think he gets more time to focus on what he needs to focus on while he gets alleviated from the leadership things that we talked with Major about. 2189 02:08:06,829 --> 02:08:17,970 [Devilwalk] balancing people's moods making sure that other people play great and are in the zone now he gets to focus on his zone and that's when we see him performing the best 2190 02:08:07,048 --> 02:08:07,376 [BanKs] Yeah. 2191 02:08:19,114 --> 02:08:20,659 [BanKs] And this is a thing, right? 2192 02:08:21,041 --> 02:08:28,542 [BanKs] We went from being able to always say Niko was the greatest rifler of all time, but then Donk took that because he got the major MVP and the major trophy. 2193 02:08:28,944 --> 02:08:31,993 [BanKs] But now Niko probably is the greatest rifler of... 2194 02:08:31,972 --> 02:08:33,216 [BanKs] Like, a long time. 2195 02:08:33,796 --> 02:08:36,122 [BanKs] Donk still beats him, you know, in the numbers and stuff like that. 2196 02:08:34,605 --> 02:08:53,525 [Devilwalk] what a title what a title deco you're a great the greatest rifler of a long time a long time yes but it just sounds terrible man 2197 02:08:36,643 --> 02:08:37,984 [BanKs] But, you know what I mean? 2198 02:08:38,005 --> 02:08:40,449 [BanKs] Like, the longevity of it. 2199 02:08:42,014 --> 02:08:44,599 [BanKs] The longevity of it. 2200 02:08:48,207 --> 02:08:50,234 [BanKs] Donk exists, right? 2201 02:08:50,335 --> 02:08:52,060 [BanKs] There's not much we can do about that. 2202 02:08:54,912 --> 02:08:57,119 [BanKs] Okay, I'll workshop the name. 2203 02:08:58,670 --> 02:08:59,891 [BanKs] I won't tell Nico this. 2204 02:09:00,193 --> 02:09:01,675 [BanKs] Nico, if you're watching, I apologize. 2205 02:09:02,136 --> 02:09:03,578 [BanKs] I'm so sorry. 2206 02:09:04,300 --> 02:09:07,664 [BanKs] But then looking at this, right, it's also this redemption. 2207 02:09:07,725 --> 02:09:10,449 [BanKs] So E-League Major, second place with Kerrigan. 2208 02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:11,931 [BanKs] Like we said, should have won. 2209 02:09:12,493 --> 02:09:16,399 [BanKs] And then the rumors are he kicks Kerrigan, all that stuff. 2210 02:09:12,793 --> 02:09:13,069 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2211 02:09:16,940 --> 02:09:18,162 [BanKs] And then after that, 2212 02:09:18,143 --> 02:09:23,534 [BanKs] They get quarterfinals, legends, Stockholm. 2213 02:09:23,855 --> 02:09:24,877 [BanKs] They get a second place. 2214 02:09:25,118 --> 02:09:26,180 [BanKs] So another second place. 2215 02:09:26,301 --> 02:09:26,743 [BanKs] That was 2021. 2216 02:09:26,783 --> 02:09:28,766 [BanKs] That was the last time he was in a final of a major. 2217 02:09:29,408 --> 02:09:34,380 [BanKs] Then Antwerp, they don't even make it to playoffs and Faye's going to win it with Carrigan. 2218 02:09:34,359 --> 02:09:36,444 [BanKs] Paris Major, legends again. 2219 02:09:36,484 --> 02:09:39,951 [BanKs] That crazy event they were supposed to win because they were dominating so well, right? 2220 02:09:40,011 --> 02:09:40,552 [BanKs] Didn't happen. 2221 02:09:41,373 --> 02:09:42,636 [BanKs] Copenhagen, top four. 2222 02:09:42,917 --> 02:09:44,199 [BanKs] Shanghai Major, top four. 2223 02:09:44,220 --> 02:09:45,842 [BanKs] And everyone almost thought they were going to win Shanghai. 2224 02:09:46,564 --> 02:09:52,115 [BanKs] Then the early parts of Falcons was a struggle in Austin where it was failure in stage two. 2225 02:09:52,162 --> 02:09:53,627 [BanKs] Budapest, just a quarters game. 2226 02:09:54,069 --> 02:09:56,278 [BanKs] And now you're back with Carrigan eight years later. 2227 02:09:56,297 --> 02:10:00,131 [BanKs] Do you know what the only cherry on top would have been if he managed to get MVP? 2228 02:10:00,262 --> 02:10:20,279 [BanKs] you know that would have been the golden thing but i think it doesn't matter because did you see those photos did you see him jumping up did you see how like how much it meant for him and because he remember he's already lifted the cologne trophy before he knew exactly how to lift it perfectly for that great moment and i loved i got a video over my phone because obviously i had that great bird's eye view 2229 02:10:03,301 --> 02:10:04,131 [Devilwalk] yeah but. 2230 02:10:20,260 --> 02:10:23,005 [BanKs] that they all let him lift it first, you know? 2231 02:10:23,586 --> 02:10:27,051 [BanKs] Because he was still the greatest player to do it without a major trophy. 2232 02:10:27,552 --> 02:10:30,859 [BanKs] And now he's just going to be the greatest player to ever do it without a major MVP. 2233 02:10:32,173 --> 02:10:34,100 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I mean, he did... 2234 02:10:33,363 --> 02:10:33,744 [BanKs] That's it. 2235 02:10:34,326 --> 02:10:35,528 [BanKs] Now that's what he has to get now. 2236 02:10:35,889 --> 02:10:37,712 [BanKs] The goalpost continues to move. 2237 02:10:38,484 --> 02:10:43,115 [Devilwalk] He definitely had like an MVP-like performance, especially in that finals. 2238 02:10:42,231 --> 02:10:42,613 [BanKs] Yeah. 2239 02:10:44,198 --> 02:10:56,207 [Devilwalk] So I think no one can really... It's almost like in the same aspect of saying, you know, Messi... 2240 02:10:56,186 --> 02:10:57,729 [Devilwalk] You didn't win on MVP. 2241 02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:58,470 [Devilwalk] Or Flamese. 2242 02:10:58,511 --> 02:10:59,733 [Devilwalk] You didn't win on MVP. 2243 02:10:59,773 --> 02:11:01,194 [Devilwalk] But you have Saivoo in the team. 2244 02:11:00,190 --> 02:11:00,612 [BanKs] Yeah. 2245 02:11:01,215 --> 02:11:03,779 [Devilwalk] I think to some degree. 2246 02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:05,202 [Devilwalk] It's the same. 2247 02:11:05,903 --> 02:11:07,426 [Devilwalk] For Aniko. 2248 02:11:07,445 --> 02:11:08,306 [Devilwalk] You have Kyosuke. 2249 02:11:08,327 --> 02:11:11,192 [Devilwalk] You have Modesty. 2250 02:11:11,171 --> 02:11:13,359 [Devilwalk] He's obviously always going to put up numbers. 2251 02:11:13,439 --> 02:11:19,561 [Devilwalk] It's going to be incredibly tough throughout like a nine map playoff to match that. 2252 02:11:19,601 --> 02:11:21,469 [Devilwalk] And he almost did. 2253 02:11:21,448 --> 02:11:23,835 [Devilwalk] So you gotta give props to him for that. 2254 02:11:22,039 --> 02:11:35,912 [BanKs] But people always do it. 2255 02:11:23,875 --> 02:11:27,704 [Devilwalk] And I think that no one can really say it in that way. 2256 02:11:27,845 --> 02:11:29,890 [Devilwalk] You know, he didn't win the MVP. 2257 02:11:30,631 --> 02:11:34,481 [Devilwalk] I think that's kind of just finding ways to hate. 2258 02:11:35,932 --> 02:11:36,573 [BanKs] That's what I was saying. 2259 02:11:36,694 --> 02:11:39,119 [BanKs] I just read a few of those comments and people always do it. 2260 02:11:37,069 --> 02:11:38,412 [Devilwalk] Yeah, but it's... 2261 02:11:38,729 --> 02:11:43,600 [Devilwalk] I think people are going to shut it down pretty easy with a... What did they have? 2262 02:11:43,082 --> 02:12:00,534 [BanKs] exactly a pretty good MVP level performance dude I was trying to find someone commented on one of our so we have a short from Manassi ages ago yeah 2263 02:11:43,619 --> 02:11:46,445 [Devilwalk] 145 major final rating? 2264 02:11:49,292 --> 02:11:52,619 [Devilwalk] They're going to shut them down pretty quick. 2265 02:12:00,970 --> 02:12:03,695 [BanKs] where we had him on the podcast and we made a short out of it. 2266 02:12:04,117 --> 02:12:08,966 [BanKs] And it says, um, like we, we pushed him about our will Falcons get kiosk, you know? 2267 02:12:09,006 --> 02:12:13,216 [BanKs] And one is he's like, yeah, he's pretty good, but like, you know, he's just scurrying around. 2268 02:12:13,256 --> 02:12:14,417 [BanKs] It doesn't know if it's going to happen. 2269 02:12:14,618 --> 02:12:15,260 [BanKs] Blah, blah, blah. 2270 02:12:15,359 --> 02:12:15,621 [BanKs] Yeah. 2271 02:12:16,090 --> 02:12:18,913 [BanKs] Obviously, he probably had a good idea it was going to happen, but he couldn't leak it to us. 2272 02:12:19,435 --> 02:12:23,041 [BanKs] And then someone commented after all this time and said, this aged well. 2273 02:12:23,381 --> 02:12:28,228 [BanKs] Because there's so many comments of people like, it won't change anything, oil money, blah, blah, blah. 2274 02:12:28,207 --> 02:12:44,426 [Devilwalk] I mean he's not Donk he's different and he's special but he's he's Kiosk that's it you know we don't need to say more 2275 02:12:28,269 --> 02:12:29,970 [BanKs] The kid won't be like, don't, da, da, da. 2276 02:12:30,011 --> 02:12:32,395 [BanKs] And it's like, look how this has all worked out. 2277 02:12:32,435 --> 02:12:34,537 [BanKs] Look how this has all come together, you know? 2278 02:12:35,445 --> 02:12:37,350 [BanKs] And it's come together in a crazy way. 2279 02:12:38,171 --> 02:12:38,371 [BanKs] No. 2280 02:12:38,411 --> 02:12:40,314 [BanKs] Yep. 2281 02:12:45,423 --> 02:12:46,606 [BanKs] And he's been unlocked. 2282 02:12:47,068 --> 02:12:47,868 [BanKs] That's the main thing. 2283 02:12:48,449 --> 02:12:52,537 [BanKs] And also, by the way, the biggest flex is like you go on Kiosko's profile. 2284 02:12:52,818 --> 02:12:54,240 [BanKs] All right. 2285 02:12:54,261 --> 02:12:55,462 [BanKs] And you click on it. 2286 02:12:55,662 --> 02:12:57,336 [Devilwalk] The only trophy. 2287 02:12:56,033 --> 02:13:00,644 [BanKs] And there's just, the only trophy is a major trophy. 2288 02:13:00,664 --> 02:13:04,654 [BanKs] Like, I don't, has that been done many times? 2289 02:13:04,755 --> 02:13:05,856 [BanKs] I guess it's done a few times. 2290 02:13:06,779 --> 02:13:08,524 [BanKs] The Outsiders guys, for example. 2291 02:13:08,722 --> 02:13:13,570 [BanKs] But I mean, maybe even they won a smaller trophy before that, but like 18 years old, first trophy. 2292 02:13:13,751 --> 02:13:14,292 [BanKs] That's another thing. 2293 02:13:14,311 --> 02:13:18,738 [BanKs] When I did the interview with him, he was like, for some of my teammates, it took 12 years, but here I am. 2294 02:13:18,759 --> 02:13:20,662 [BanKs] And it's my first trophy. 2295 02:13:20,671 --> 02:13:23,572 [Devilwalk] My first trophy was DreamHack Winter 2013. 2296 02:13:24,287 --> 02:13:25,810 [BanKs] So yours is major first trophy as well. 2297 02:13:26,211 --> 02:13:26,613 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2298 02:13:27,412 --> 02:13:27,592 [BanKs] Yeah. 2299 02:13:28,113 --> 02:13:29,735 [BanKs] See, there you go. 2300 02:13:29,756 --> 02:13:31,097 [BanKs] He's in good company, you and him. 2301 02:13:31,118 --> 02:13:33,903 [BanKs] We are going to have to get Kiosko on the podcast. 2302 02:13:33,922 --> 02:13:35,045 [BanKs] We're going to have to make it happen. 2303 02:13:35,064 --> 02:13:38,731 [BanKs] If he says he'll only talk to me, I'll have to say, can you also talk to Devwalk? 2304 02:13:38,771 --> 02:13:39,472 [BanKs] And then we'll be fine. 2305 02:13:40,054 --> 02:13:40,715 [BanKs] Everything will be good. 2306 02:13:41,938 --> 02:13:43,319 [BanKs] That'll be a crazy one. 2307 02:13:42,085 --> 02:13:43,190 [Devilwalk] We've already had one. 2308 02:13:43,533 --> 02:13:45,421 [Devilwalk] We've had the icebreaker interview. 2309 02:13:44,532 --> 02:13:46,859 [BanKs] No, but I mean, yeah, exactly. 2310 02:13:46,899 --> 02:13:51,034 [BanKs] So, I mean, to get him on and do the proper, the full one would be crazy. 2311 02:13:50,307 --> 02:13:50,509 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2312 02:13:51,154 --> 02:13:54,627 [BanKs] Also, two majors and it's just quarterfinal first place. 2313 02:13:55,078 --> 02:13:58,926 [BanKs] I want to see how much further this goes as well with more time and what they can do. 2314 02:13:59,426 --> 02:14:05,377 [BanKs] It definitely makes the beginning of next season super more exciting, especially if Kerrigan is going to grind out like crazy on it. 2315 02:14:07,042 --> 02:14:11,554 [Devilwalk] We'll see what kind of beast Vitality has awoken with. 2316 02:14:07,479 --> 02:14:12,649 [BanKs] But... Yeah. 2317 02:14:11,713 --> 02:14:17,408 [Devilwalk] If this brings some hunger back to everyone and all of that, it's going to be interesting. 2318 02:14:19,278 --> 02:14:19,798 [BanKs] So that's it. 2319 02:14:20,180 --> 02:14:26,471 [BanKs] That was the cologne major 2026, 10 years later, record breaking viewership, a Falcons win. 2320 02:14:26,591 --> 02:14:27,854 [BanKs] We got our Q and a, I know that. 2321 02:14:27,875 --> 02:14:28,936 [BanKs] And that's what you're going to say next. 2322 02:14:27,884 --> 02:14:29,541 [Devilwalk] Q and a M. Yep. 2323 02:14:29,417 --> 02:14:32,764 [BanKs] It can't miss the Q and a, there's a lot of questions in the chat, but, um, 2324 02:14:32,962 --> 02:14:34,305 [BanKs] What a crazy good major. 2325 02:14:34,947 --> 02:14:42,782 [BanKs] Like I said, I was choked up and emotional and sad I wasn't there, but I still got to do some interviews of some sort that got posted online. 2326 02:14:42,822 --> 02:14:50,296 [BanKs] And actually, the fact I got to shed some light on someone like Kyosuke who didn't even get a chance to do it makes me happy. 2327 02:14:51,542 --> 02:14:53,506 [BanKs] I just can't wait to be back. 2328 02:14:53,527 --> 02:14:57,434 [BanKs] I'm going to XSE Pro League next and next majors I'm not too worried about. 2329 02:14:57,453 --> 02:14:58,175 [BanKs] They should be fine. 2330 02:14:58,234 --> 02:15:00,097 [BanKs] It's going to be good, man. 2331 02:15:00,559 --> 02:15:02,582 [BanKs] Actually, I messaged Kerrigan. 2332 02:15:03,404 --> 02:15:04,646 [BanKs] I'm just leaking all my DMs. 2333 02:15:05,287 --> 02:15:05,688 [BanKs] Look at this. 2334 02:15:06,689 --> 02:15:07,110 [BanKs] Where is it? 2335 02:15:07,150 --> 02:15:07,712 [BanKs] Kerrigan. 2336 02:15:08,654 --> 02:15:11,500 [BanKs] So Kerrigan put a story up, yeah? 2337 02:15:12,722 --> 02:15:18,135 [BanKs] And he said, the comeback is always greater than the setback. 2338 02:15:12,890 --> 02:15:13,181 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2339 02:15:18,615 --> 02:15:22,444 [BanKs] And I said, this is me after not working the clone major. 2340 02:15:23,046 --> 02:15:26,493 [BanKs] I said, this is the motivation I'm going to use for the rest of the events, you know? 2341 02:15:26,474 --> 02:15:27,877 [BanKs] Because the comeback is always going to be greater. 2342 02:15:27,936 --> 02:15:29,059 [BanKs] Even on the interviews I did at the end. 2343 02:15:29,078 --> 02:15:30,702 [BanKs] That comeback is going to be greater. 2344 02:15:30,721 --> 02:15:31,222 [BanKs] I promise. 2345 02:15:31,764 --> 02:15:35,350 [BanKs] Even at XSE, I might have to deliver the most crazy hype. 2346 02:15:35,712 --> 02:15:36,793 [BanKs] Like it's a major. 2347 02:15:36,814 --> 02:15:37,494 [BanKs] Just for that event. 2348 02:15:37,574 --> 02:15:38,577 [BanKs] I might have to go full on. 2349 02:15:39,890 --> 02:15:52,801 [Devilwalk] Sometimes, when we did the Budapest Major, for example, when you did your stage intros for the day in the arena, 2350 02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:40,782 [BanKs] Maybe I can. 2351 02:15:43,868 --> 02:15:44,127 [BanKs] Yeah. 2352 02:15:49,744 --> 02:15:50,104 [BanKs] Yeah. 2353 02:15:53,372 --> 02:15:56,078 [Devilwalk] Like, I kid you not, guys. 2354 02:15:56,137 --> 02:15:59,564 [Devilwalk] Like, this man is almost fainting when he comes back into the green room. 2355 02:16:00,225 --> 02:16:03,752 [Devilwalk] This motherfucker needs to breathe for like 10 minutes. 2356 02:16:04,460 --> 02:16:07,667 [BanKs] Dude, I'm so, like, thing is, people don't see it, right? 2357 02:16:07,726 --> 02:16:10,193 [BanKs] So, like, as soon as that lights go off, I'm trying to walk off the stage. 2358 02:16:10,086 --> 02:16:10,707 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2359 02:16:10,554 --> 02:16:12,677 [BanKs] Some people are like, take a picture inside. 2360 02:16:12,717 --> 02:16:14,322 [BanKs] And I'm like, I can't breathe. 2361 02:16:16,145 --> 02:16:17,328 [BanKs] It's like, I got no energy left. 2362 02:16:17,349 --> 02:16:21,016 [BanKs] Because I literally just, I want to push it all out and give it to everyone. 2363 02:16:20,997 --> 02:16:22,579 [BanKs] And then you end up so sweaty and crazy. 2364 02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:26,789 [BanKs] I just sit down, and I sit down, take the jacket off, and I'm like, I die here for a little bit. 2365 02:16:27,490 --> 02:16:31,198 [BanKs] So, yeah, bro, I got so much motivation, so much energy. 2366 02:16:31,219 --> 02:16:32,361 [BanKs] The comeback will be stronger. 2367 02:16:32,381 --> 02:16:34,606 [BanKs] That is 100% than a setback. 2368 02:16:35,108 --> 02:16:36,190 [BanKs] I have learned from Kerrigan. 2369 02:16:35,324 --> 02:16:36,165 [Devilwalk] Should I start? 2370 02:16:37,372 --> 02:16:38,896 [BanKs] Where are the questions? 2371 02:16:39,277 --> 02:16:39,377 [BanKs] Pfft. 2372 02:16:40,057 --> 02:16:40,959 [Devilwalk] In the document. 2373 02:16:41,500 --> 02:16:42,663 [BanKs] Okay, they're in the document. 2374 02:16:42,683 --> 02:16:43,103 [BanKs] Here we go. 2375 02:16:43,144 --> 02:16:44,528 [BanKs] Yeah, you can start. 2376 02:16:44,567 --> 02:16:57,180 [BanKs] Ooh. 2377 02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:47,697 [Devilwalk] Okay, so this is from Masaru. 2378 02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:55,390 [Devilwalk] With Falcons finally winning the major trophy, will this boost their mentality and start an era? 2379 02:16:56,332 --> 02:17:03,403 [Devilwalk] I think, personally, I don't think it's era-defining moment for Falcons. 2380 02:17:03,943 --> 02:17:06,106 [Devilwalk] I think this just 2381 02:17:04,129 --> 02:17:04,639 [BanKs] Yeah. 2382 02:17:06,862 --> 02:17:11,055 [Devilwalk] might break a little bit of Vitality's era. 2383 02:17:11,435 --> 02:17:14,665 [Devilwalk] I think it's going to be a super competitive season coming up. 2384 02:17:14,706 --> 02:17:16,570 [Devilwalk] Obviously, cash comes into the map pool. 2385 02:17:16,611 --> 02:17:21,986 [Devilwalk] Falcons, their vetoed map of Overpass is removed. 2386 02:17:23,047 --> 02:17:34,220 [Devilwalk] A lot of things pushes Falcons up a little bit of a step, but I still don't think that we saw them dominate their way to a major win. 2387 02:17:27,686 --> 02:17:35,082 [BanKs] Yeah. 2388 02:17:34,200 --> 02:17:37,709 [Devilwalk] I didn't think, you know, they played amazing. 2389 02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:38,792 [Devilwalk] Don't get me wrong. 2390 02:17:39,353 --> 02:17:42,182 [Devilwalk] But it wasn't demolition. 2391 02:17:42,441 --> 02:17:47,675 [Devilwalk] It was close and they grinded their way through it and they won an amazing major. 2392 02:17:48,378 --> 02:17:51,264 [Devilwalk] Probably the best major I've ever seen as a spectator. 2393 02:17:51,245 --> 02:18:06,992 [Devilwalk] but I think it's going to be an open more open at least season coming up but I don't think it's sparking an error yet but I might be a pessimist 2394 02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:10,389 [BanKs] We can't start even like the way I'd look at it is yes. 2395 02:18:10,430 --> 02:18:11,532 [BanKs] It will boost their mentality. 2396 02:18:11,593 --> 02:18:11,753 [BanKs] Yes. 2397 02:18:11,772 --> 02:18:16,784 [BanKs] They're going to come in super confident, but they can just as easily go in like vitality did and lose the blast bounty or something like that. 2398 02:18:12,371 --> 02:18:13,334 [Devilwalk] Yes, yes, yes. 2399 02:18:16,805 --> 02:18:19,471 [BanKs] I'm not even sure if Falcons are going blast bounty, but I mean that. 2400 02:18:18,693 --> 02:18:23,309 [Devilwalk] They played without expectations now and now they're gonna have all the expectations. 2401 02:18:20,995 --> 02:18:21,335 [BanKs] Yeah. 2402 02:18:23,846 --> 02:18:24,908 [BanKs] Everything changes. 2403 02:18:25,489 --> 02:18:28,435 [BanKs] Everyone's going to understand some of the craziness that can happen, right? 2404 02:18:28,456 --> 02:18:31,162 [BanKs] And start to look at it more because this was a bit of like a shock. 2405 02:18:31,201 --> 02:18:34,167 [BanKs] People were thinking they second place at CAC. 2406 02:18:34,308 --> 02:18:36,311 [BanKs] They were second place at Astana. 2407 02:18:36,332 --> 02:18:39,679 [BanKs] By the way, Kerrigan actually said to me another thing from my interview with Kerrigan. 2408 02:18:39,658 --> 02:18:47,504 [BanKs] Um, he said that like the second places and what they were able to take from that helped them so much knowing that they could lose to a legacy. 2409 02:18:47,906 --> 02:18:51,558 [BanKs] You know, that was like that CAC one was really important for him. 2410 02:18:48,112 --> 02:18:59,760 [Devilwalk] Bit early. 2411 02:18:51,995 --> 02:18:55,263 [BanKs] But yeah, I think it will definitely boost their mentality. 2412 02:18:55,304 --> 02:18:57,611 [BanKs] But starting an era, you have to wait and see. 2413 02:18:57,650 --> 02:19:02,122 [BanKs] You never know who else is going to... Their setback is going to make their comeback. 2414 02:19:02,102 --> 02:19:04,128 [BanKs] All right, next question is Aska. 2415 02:19:04,188 --> 02:19:06,693 [BanKs] By the way, I met Aska's friend at the event. 2416 02:19:06,793 --> 02:19:10,342 [BanKs] They said Aska was like a huge fan of the podcast, always sending in questions. 2417 02:19:10,489 --> 02:19:11,372 [Devilwalk] Oh yeah. 2418 02:19:10,663 --> 02:19:12,467 [BanKs] So I signed something for them to go back to them. 2419 02:19:12,506 --> 02:19:14,432 [BanKs] So yeah, Aska, we know you. 2420 02:19:14,451 --> 02:19:15,694 [BanKs] We know all the questions you're sending in. 2421 02:19:16,476 --> 02:19:20,045 [BanKs] So they said, I know that Banks was in Cologne, but not sure about Devil. 2422 02:19:20,125 --> 02:19:21,106 [BanKs] No, he was at home. 2423 02:19:20,943 --> 02:19:21,867 [Devilwalk] I was at home. 2424 02:19:22,352 --> 02:19:33,879 [BanKs] I was sending him voice notes from fans who watched the podcast. 2425 02:19:27,162 --> 02:19:31,792 [Devilwalk] I didn't answer the question back with a voice note. 2426 02:19:31,852 --> 02:19:35,181 [Devilwalk] I didn't assume that he would get the answer instantly. 2427 02:19:33,898 --> 02:19:35,281 [BanKs] No, no, that was already gone by then. 2428 02:19:36,382 --> 02:19:40,673 [Devilwalk] But he asked me why I put my pants down at the major. 2429 02:19:40,038 --> 02:19:41,561 [BanKs] Yeah. 2430 02:19:41,602 --> 02:19:42,764 [BanKs] We've told this story though. 2431 02:19:42,978 --> 02:19:44,221 [Devilwalk] Yeah, we have. 2432 02:19:44,983 --> 02:19:45,745 [Devilwalk] Many times. 2433 02:19:46,354 --> 02:19:47,438 [BanKs] Okay, you can answer it quickly. 2434 02:19:47,458 --> 02:19:52,090 [BanKs] Do a quick summary of why you pulled your pants down when you won the major for this one guy. 2435 02:19:50,753 --> 02:19:55,325 [Devilwalk] I made a bet with Thorin when I think we won the quarterfinal or something like that. 2436 02:19:55,706 --> 02:19:57,270 [Devilwalk] And we had an interview after the game. 2437 02:19:58,012 --> 02:20:07,496 [Devilwalk] And he asked me if I would take my shirt off because one of the panelists or analysts were a Norwegian player who'd done it in the past. 2438 02:20:07,477 --> 02:20:09,522 [Devilwalk] I said no, but I'll take my pants off. 2439 02:20:07,712 --> 02:20:18,870 [BanKs] obviously it's foreign getting introduced in madness like this like being the mastermind behind some of this was perfect absolutely perfect 2440 02:20:10,343 --> 02:20:10,965 [Devilwalk] And so I did. 2441 02:20:11,627 --> 02:20:12,429 [Devilwalk] If I win the major. 2442 02:20:18,243 --> 02:20:18,944 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2443 02:20:18,965 --> 02:20:19,967 [Devilwalk] But the question... 2444 02:20:19,507 --> 02:20:25,460 [BanKs] So Aska's question is, was this the greatest major in the history of CS, in your opinion? 2445 02:20:26,243 --> 02:20:32,757 [BanKs] From a crowd perspective, no, because there's only 15,000 in Cologne. 2446 02:20:32,737 --> 02:20:38,516 [BanKs] But if ESL went to a 360 stage like they're doing in Krakow, it could be 20,000. 2447 02:20:38,638 --> 02:20:40,102 [BanKs] And that would have been amazing. 2448 02:20:40,183 --> 02:20:44,537 [BanKs] Budapest still is the number one of all majors in terms of crowd. 2449 02:20:44,837 --> 02:20:46,724 [BanKs] and energy and hype and feeling. 2450 02:20:47,185 --> 02:20:49,814 [BanKs] And I've seen the majority of them when we're big. 2451 02:20:50,155 --> 02:20:57,097 [BanKs] But it was the greatest major in the history of CS in terms of games and excitement and storylines. 2452 02:20:55,097 --> 02:20:55,522 [Devilwalk] 100%. 2453 02:20:55,542 --> 02:20:55,988 [Devilwalk] 100%. 2454 02:20:56,009 --> 02:20:58,155 [Devilwalk] 100%. 2455 02:20:57,118 --> 02:20:58,441 [BanKs] And it's... 2456 02:20:58,422 --> 02:21:01,793 [BanKs] I don't think it's that close because we normally get scuffed in the majors so hard. 2457 02:21:02,355 --> 02:21:06,289 [BanKs] But I thought that playoff bracket was going to screw us and we got bangers. 2458 02:21:03,029 --> 02:21:18,240 [Devilwalk] We got some really good games and it's almost like it made it more exciting because we had so many good games early on and they just kept delivering and kept delivering. 2459 02:21:18,261 --> 02:21:21,207 [Devilwalk] And I think it was from a viewer's perspective. 2460 02:21:23,161 --> 02:21:24,645 [Devilwalk] The greatest major. 2461 02:21:25,105 --> 02:21:28,674 [Devilwalk] For me, watching from home, it was the greatest major in the history of CS. 2462 02:21:29,435 --> 02:21:34,587 [Devilwalk] I can't compare anything else with it because I've 2463 02:21:36,610 --> 02:21:47,278 [Devilwalk] It's just the fact that there's so little that could have changed the entire story of this event through multiple games. 2464 02:21:44,962 --> 02:22:04,203 [BanKs] yeah oh the big NRG one that stands out straight away even though it's like no them teams didn't get that far 2465 02:21:47,497 --> 02:21:51,449 [Devilwalk] And it's not even only about playoff. 2466 02:21:51,870 --> 02:21:52,711 [Devilwalk] There were some 2467 02:21:52,691 --> 02:21:55,961 [Devilwalk] amazing games in the group stage of Stage 3. 2468 02:21:56,323 --> 02:21:58,649 [Devilwalk] There was incredible games in Stage 2. 2469 02:22:02,220 --> 02:22:02,802 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2470 02:22:04,639 --> 02:22:09,653 [Devilwalk] I think there was so many incredible storylines throughout the entire major. 2471 02:22:10,274 --> 02:22:16,912 [Devilwalk] I wasn't even, you know, obviously there's a step down in stage one when you look at the game quality and stuff like that. 2472 02:22:16,992 --> 02:22:20,421 [Devilwalk] But I still think that stage one delivered more 2473 02:22:20,400 --> 02:22:24,810 [Devilwalk] This time around, comparably to other stage ones that I've seen. 2474 02:22:24,851 --> 02:22:31,566 [Devilwalk] And I think that the whole journey of this major was great from start to end. 2475 02:22:31,807 --> 02:22:36,316 [Devilwalk] And that is why I think this was the greatest major in CS history. 2476 02:22:32,905 --> 02:22:45,109 [BanKs] only thing i disagree with what you said is that stage one stage one for me was still you know it's still like i wasn't super proud about it 2477 02:22:43,620 --> 02:22:45,220 [Devilwalk] Yeah, but it was still better. 2478 02:22:45,281 --> 02:22:46,172 [Devilwalk] I've seen worse. 2479 02:22:46,591 --> 02:23:00,465 [BanKs] true very true alright next question is from Zapple he says is Niko now the greatest rifler of all time top of the scene for 10 years devil move your fucking cursor I can't read the question if your name is over the top of it 2480 02:23:00,985 --> 02:23:01,547 [BanKs] You, Belen. 2481 02:23:02,350 --> 02:23:09,358 [BanKs] And now also the major people used to say he couldn't be the greatest because he didn't have a major. 2482 02:23:07,042 --> 02:23:10,623 [Devilwalk] He's the greatest rifler of long time! 2483 02:23:12,257 --> 02:23:13,980 [BanKs] I did coin that phrase. 2484 02:23:14,022 --> 02:23:16,265 [BanKs] It's a terrible phrase. 2485 02:23:16,306 --> 02:23:18,069 [BanKs] Devil hates it, but he's still going to be about it. 2486 02:23:18,890 --> 02:23:23,800 [BanKs] I just don't think he can be the greatest rifle of all time because of Donk's crazy success so young. 2487 02:23:24,242 --> 02:23:31,617 [BanKs] If Donk fell off a cliff, not in real life, but if he dropped off in performance massively and we didn't see him come back, then 2488 02:23:32,085 --> 02:23:33,754 [BanKs] Yeah, probably Nico would be hard to overtake. 2489 02:23:34,136 --> 02:23:37,130 [BanKs] But people are even questioning the difference between Nico and Rops, right? 2490 02:23:37,211 --> 02:23:40,728 [BanKs] So, yeah, I think it still sits as Donk. 2491 02:23:39,088 --> 02:23:43,395 [Devilwalk] No, I don't think he's the greatest rifler of all time. 2492 02:23:44,756 --> 02:23:55,152 [Devilwalk] But it sounds so bad when you say it, but I don't mean any disrespect to him because he's still in that category of a top three. 2493 02:23:55,172 --> 02:23:58,296 [Devilwalk] He's still in this discussion of it. 2494 02:23:57,753 --> 02:23:59,022 [BanKs] At 29 years old. 2495 02:23:59,474 --> 02:24:15,710 [Devilwalk] yeah and you know obviously everyone's gonna have their preferences uh either or the other way but i feel like you know as you mentioned drops there is um donk and i think there's 2496 02:24:14,965 --> 02:24:17,789 [BanKs] Stop clicking and start talking. 2497 02:24:17,808 --> 02:24:19,492 [BanKs] I'm watching him on the document. 2498 02:24:19,772 --> 02:24:21,575 [BanKs] Click a million places. 2499 02:24:19,959 --> 02:24:22,064 [Devilwalk] But you don't have to say that. 2500 02:24:23,226 --> 02:24:25,068 [Devilwalk] It's my concentration method. 2501 02:24:26,962 --> 02:24:28,605 [BanKs] This guy is like just this. 2502 02:24:27,373 --> 02:24:28,476 [Devilwalk] You don't need to. 2503 02:24:28,656 --> 02:24:29,778 [Devilwalk] You need to look at me. 2504 02:24:28,967 --> 02:24:31,911 [BanKs] You're just going like this. 2505 02:24:30,418 --> 02:24:31,060 [Devilwalk] Look at me. 2506 02:24:31,140 --> 02:24:31,762 [Devilwalk] Don't look. 2507 02:24:31,822 --> 02:24:32,804 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2508 02:24:33,325 --> 02:24:34,847 [Devilwalk] I'm doing this all the time. 2509 02:24:35,308 --> 02:24:36,129 [Devilwalk] But either way. 2510 02:24:37,358 --> 02:24:52,076 [BanKs] I'll give my top three I think personally 2511 02:24:38,927 --> 02:24:46,528 [Devilwalk] I don't think, I think there's many cases, but he's 100% in the top five for me of greatest riflers of all time. 2512 02:24:46,949 --> 02:24:49,033 [Devilwalk] But I don't think that he is number one. 2513 02:24:54,368 --> 02:24:55,772 [Devilwalk] Yeah, you could argue that. 2514 02:24:57,472 --> 02:24:58,514 [BanKs] Alright, next question is yours. 2515 02:24:58,615 --> 02:24:59,677 [BanKs] Now you can actually do some reading. 2516 02:25:01,995 --> 02:25:16,781 [Devilwalk] Casper unpopular opinion do you think it would be incorrect to say that although Falcons performed really well at the major their run wasn't as hard as it seems 2517 02:25:07,916 --> 02:25:08,157 [BanKs] Oh. 2518 02:25:17,014 --> 02:25:30,788 [Devilwalk] My key points would be that they went up against a navi that isn't in their best form, a vitality that is burnt out, a coachless spirit and a furia that had an extremely easy stage 3 run. 2519 02:25:30,262 --> 02:25:32,327 [BanKs] Okay, let me start. 2520 02:25:33,069 --> 02:25:35,537 [BanKs] Because I'm glad you said we can flame you. 2521 02:25:35,618 --> 02:25:36,360 [BanKs] No, I'm not going to flame you. 2522 02:25:36,379 --> 02:25:37,182 [BanKs] Don't worry, Kasper. 2523 02:25:37,201 --> 02:25:38,585 [BanKs] But I'll look at this. 2524 02:25:39,048 --> 02:25:40,130 [BanKs] They did perform really well. 2525 02:25:40,711 --> 02:25:43,360 [BanKs] But their run was as hard as it seems. 2526 02:25:43,340 --> 02:25:44,423 [BanKs] So look at Navi. 2527 02:25:44,603 --> 02:25:47,272 [BanKs] Navi was in really good form before this major. 2528 02:25:47,754 --> 02:25:51,084 [BanKs] So just because they got eliminated doesn't take anything away from that. 2529 02:25:51,786 --> 02:25:53,129 [BanKs] Vitality were not burnt out. 2530 02:25:53,768 --> 02:25:56,876 [BanKs] because they've been through longer, crazier runs and they managed this. 2531 02:25:55,625 --> 02:25:57,636 [Devilwalk] They've been resting it too much. 2532 02:25:56,915 --> 02:26:00,143 [BanKs] Yeah, they've been managing their schedule so well. 2533 02:26:00,183 --> 02:26:02,028 [BanKs] So they're not the coach of spirit one. 2534 02:26:02,128 --> 02:26:03,251 [BanKs] That is an argument you can take. 2535 02:26:03,390 --> 02:26:05,376 [BanKs] That's definitely a point. 2536 02:26:05,435 --> 02:26:06,959 [BanKs] Maybe with Hallie, it changes, right? 2537 02:26:07,560 --> 02:26:11,912 [BanKs] And then the Furio one, they did have an extremely easy stage three. 2538 02:26:12,466 --> 02:26:23,574 [BanKs] But there's still a fury with very skilled individuals, with players that can dominate at any time, that know how to play, maybe not in a major final, but across majors. 2539 02:26:23,854 --> 02:26:25,578 [BanKs] Fulham definitely does in terms of all of it. 2540 02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:28,787 [BanKs] So I don't think it is... 2541 02:26:29,341 --> 02:26:35,575 [BanKs] Fair to say their run wasn't as hard as it seems because I think every game except Furia was incredibly hard for them. 2542 02:26:35,977 --> 02:26:41,190 [BanKs] And it's just the only one I can look at with you is the Spirit one because of the coach thing, which we touched on earlier in the show. 2543 02:26:42,621 --> 02:26:56,260 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I mean, no matter what, I mean, these are still like... Even though small things, especially in the high competitive world, have some major impact, 2544 02:26:56,728 --> 02:27:02,898 [Devilwalk] I think no matter when you look through history, everyone has issues they deal with. 2545 02:27:03,059 --> 02:27:05,003 [Devilwalk] Every team has problems. 2546 02:27:06,125 --> 02:27:15,800 [Devilwalk] It's not sunshine and everything for any run at the major, for any team that has done it. 2547 02:27:15,781 --> 02:27:18,888 [Devilwalk] You know, you need some luck with you and you need some 2548 02:27:15,950 --> 02:27:32,186 [BanKs] Yeah. 2549 02:27:20,775 --> 02:27:24,702 [Devilwalk] circumstances to just be in your favor. 2550 02:27:25,304 --> 02:27:31,153 [Devilwalk] Falcons had it, but they played the absolute best teams in the tournament. 2551 02:27:31,674 --> 02:27:33,757 [Devilwalk] They played the absolute best teams in the world. 2552 02:27:34,299 --> 02:27:40,488 [Devilwalk] It doesn't matter if they are not up to par that day compared to the other day. 2553 02:27:40,620 --> 02:27:42,203 [Devilwalk] They played the hardest teams. 2554 02:27:42,504 --> 02:27:43,766 [Devilwalk] They did the hardest route. 2555 02:27:43,807 --> 02:27:49,477 [Devilwalk] And I don't think there's been a harder route to a major win than Falcons ever. 2556 02:27:50,038 --> 02:27:59,575 [Devilwalk] Because normally we don't get every single good team or every potential winner of the tournament in their side of the bracket. 2557 02:27:59,595 --> 02:28:00,638 [Devilwalk] And they went through it. 2558 02:28:00,331 --> 02:28:00,791 [BanKs] Yeah. 2559 02:28:00,618 --> 02:28:09,496 [Devilwalk] they went through it you could make that argument in my opinion if Furia would have won the major 2560 02:28:10,935 --> 02:28:11,256 [BanKs] Yes. 2561 02:28:11,416 --> 02:28:12,058 [BanKs] Yeah. 2562 02:28:12,158 --> 02:28:14,764 [BanKs] Same as like a Paris run for Vitality, right? 2563 02:28:14,924 --> 02:28:16,028 [BanKs] The same kind of conversation. 2564 02:28:15,215 --> 02:28:20,753 [Devilwalk] yeah but i don't think it's relevant uh with falcons in this case 2565 02:28:21,644 --> 02:28:22,986 [BanKs] And we didn't flame you for it. 2566 02:28:23,066 --> 02:28:24,007 [BanKs] We just explained it. 2567 02:28:24,849 --> 02:28:31,800 [BanKs] Um, add down one says is crims moving to eyeball as a straight up upgrade, or is it more of an experienced upgrade? 2568 02:28:32,140 --> 02:28:33,943 [BanKs] Bob XD was their best player, by the way. 2569 02:28:34,004 --> 02:28:38,450 [BanKs] I love Bob XD, JW and crims equals goo. 2570 02:28:38,471 --> 02:28:39,173 [BanKs] I don't know what that means. 2571 02:28:39,212 --> 02:28:40,614 [BanKs] Maybe that's something you understand. 2572 02:28:40,983 --> 02:28:42,149 [Devilwalk] Gua Gua Bar. 2573 02:28:42,637 --> 02:28:55,313 [BanKs] okay you understand you said it very swedish um the thing is right when i look down this move i would have removed someone like roy for decks and kept bob xd but do you know anything as to why 2574 02:28:54,162 --> 02:28:58,972 [Devilwalk] Bob XT was taken by Alliance. 2575 02:28:59,314 --> 02:29:04,787 [Devilwalk] So Bob XT got poached from Eyeballers to Alliance. 2576 02:29:00,219 --> 02:29:04,846 [BanKs] Ah, so they lost. 2577 02:29:05,327 --> 02:29:06,829 [BanKs] Okay, okay. 2578 02:29:05,529 --> 02:29:09,859 [Devilwalk] So Bob XT is the male 09 replacement in Alliance. 2579 02:29:11,117 --> 02:29:11,977 [BanKs] Where's mail now? 2580 02:29:12,909 --> 02:29:16,001 [Devilwalk] But he has always been a meta sports player. 2581 02:29:16,120 --> 02:29:22,784 [Devilwalk] He was on loan to Alliance after Alliance lost Poi to 100 Thieves. 2582 02:29:17,406 --> 02:29:18,027 [BanKs] Oh, and he's 2583 02:29:21,212 --> 02:29:22,376 [BanKs] But they couldn't buy him, right? 2584 02:29:22,396 --> 02:29:23,738 [BanKs] I remember reading it. 2585 02:29:23,759 --> 02:29:24,581 [BanKs] They couldn't buy mail. 2586 02:29:24,601 --> 02:29:32,299 [BanKs] Offer. 2587 02:29:25,245 --> 02:29:36,129 [Devilwalk] No, so it was something along the lines of they did their highest transfer sum offer to Metasports, but it wasn't accepted in the end. 2588 02:29:33,102 --> 02:29:33,382 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah. 2589 02:29:36,691 --> 02:29:40,157 [Devilwalk] And they couldn't go further with the offer, right? 2590 02:29:42,282 --> 02:29:44,266 [Devilwalk] So they made an effort. 2591 02:29:45,343 --> 02:29:58,863 [BanKs] Feels him. 2592 02:29:45,596 --> 02:30:04,753 [Devilwalk] but just couldn't agree on the pricing so it was reasonable for both parties and then they went to bobxt and he joined alliance and now crims obviously being removed from fnatic is now going to eyeballers um 2593 02:30:04,041 --> 02:30:05,344 [BanKs] Okay, now that makes sense. 2594 02:30:07,854 --> 02:30:15,477 [Devilwalk] I don't think... It's a weird one because obviously Crimps is still very, very capable on a very, very high level. 2595 02:30:16,138 --> 02:30:16,941 [Devilwalk] We've seen that. 2596 02:30:16,828 --> 02:30:18,471 [BanKs] Yeah. 2597 02:30:18,264 --> 02:30:18,826 [Devilwalk] It's not 2598 02:30:18,492 --> 02:30:20,615 [BanKs] I get to see both of them in XSPE Pro League. 2599 02:30:20,717 --> 02:30:21,358 [BanKs] I can't wait. 2600 02:30:22,064 --> 02:30:27,773 [Devilwalk] Yeah, and they obviously have a great amount of synergy, JW and Krimz. 2601 02:30:27,793 --> 02:30:30,418 [Devilwalk] They played with each other for a very, very long time. 2602 02:30:30,889 --> 02:30:38,486 [BanKs] What does that mean? 2603 02:30:34,005 --> 02:30:37,592 [Devilwalk] There's definitely some Goa-Gobar vibes with that. 2604 02:30:40,036 --> 02:30:58,094 [Devilwalk] well directly well it just means like good uh how do i how do i phrase this in english it's it's hard because it's it's uh well it's like 2605 02:30:54,143 --> 02:30:54,463 [BanKs] OK. 2606 02:30:58,766 --> 02:31:01,673 [Devilwalk] Good buddy is like old men, you know? 2607 02:31:02,819 --> 02:31:09,352 [BanKs] OK, I got it. 2608 02:31:04,578 --> 02:31:08,246 [Devilwalk] And good way is just like good vibes, you know? 2609 02:31:09,009 --> 02:31:11,774 [Devilwalk] In some sense, that's how I would explain it. 2610 02:31:09,451 --> 02:31:09,772 [BanKs] I get it. 2611 02:31:11,834 --> 02:31:15,763 [Devilwalk] I don't know if that's like 100% accurate, but it's close, yeah. 2612 02:31:15,575 --> 02:31:17,256 [BanKs] It's your Swedish accurate, we'll take him. 2613 02:31:17,481 --> 02:31:33,735 [Devilwalk] Yeah, but I don't 2614 02:31:18,940 --> 02:31:21,744 [BanKs] But yeah, I'll let Devwalk answer that question because I've got no ideas on this. 2615 02:31:22,103 --> 02:31:26,489 [BanKs] I just looked at it as it's an experience thing and JW and Krimz get to play together again. 2616 02:31:27,111 --> 02:31:29,915 [BanKs] And as it was a free purchase, they didn't have to pay anything for him, you know? 2617 02:31:29,954 --> 02:31:33,600 [BanKs] Krimz gets to keep playing, reunite with JW, win-win. 2618 02:31:33,985 --> 02:31:36,028 [Devilwalk] I don't see it as an upgrade or a downgrade. 2619 02:31:36,088 --> 02:31:45,123 [Devilwalk] I just see it as Crim's probably, in some sense of the word, is going to be maybe a little bit higher than BobXD's start. 2620 02:31:45,603 --> 02:31:50,172 [Devilwalk] But I think BobXD has higher potential if we add time. 2621 02:31:48,565 --> 02:31:50,247 [BanKs] Bro, he was so good. 2622 02:31:50,347 --> 02:31:52,512 [BanKs] One of the bounties when we saw him, he was so good. 2623 02:31:52,766 --> 02:31:53,769 [Devilwalk] He's incredibly good. 2624 02:31:54,556 --> 02:31:54,716 [BanKs] Yeah. 2625 02:31:56,112 --> 02:32:02,363 [Devilwalk] But it's going to be a little bit of shift in roles because Krimz and BobXD are not the same player at all. 2626 02:32:02,168 --> 02:32:02,409 [BanKs] Yeah. 2627 02:32:03,191 --> 02:32:04,112 [BanKs] So there's some moving around. 2628 02:32:03,365 --> 02:32:03,986 [Devilwalk] So we'll see. 2629 02:32:04,153 --> 02:32:08,159 [BanKs] Am I reading the next one or are you? 2630 02:32:04,667 --> 02:32:09,477 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2631 02:32:08,477 --> 02:32:18,715 [BanKs] Oh, yeah. 2632 02:32:09,496 --> 02:32:11,399 [Devilwalk] Me, from Kanareka. 2633 02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:31,531 [Devilwalk] after the major there were rumors about some decoration items gone missing fans went too enthusiastic to get souvenirs did you see anything like that happening and honestly what do you think about it maybe it's just to give the arena staff less work to clean i don't know what this means at all 2634 02:32:23,183 --> 02:32:23,263 [BanKs] Hmm. 2635 02:32:31,546 --> 02:32:41,117 [BanKs] yeah i so i didn't see it because obviously like i said i was up high and then i went to that media room um but i did hear about it's one of my other friends who was down in the premium seats was talking about it like 2636 02:32:41,519 --> 02:32:47,052 [BanKs] They're trying to take anything like decorations, stuff off the sides, anything they can get their hands onto. 2637 02:32:47,433 --> 02:32:49,298 [BanKs] I don't know if anyone got onto the stage to take it. 2638 02:32:50,822 --> 02:32:54,511 [BanKs] Personally, I always take some of the gold confetti that falls down from the events I have. 2639 02:32:54,832 --> 02:32:56,777 [BanKs] I've got a collection of that from different events at home. 2640 02:32:55,828 --> 02:33:12,559 [Devilwalk] Oh, so people take things from the stage or what? 2641 02:32:58,681 --> 02:32:59,744 [BanKs] But that's fine to take. 2642 02:33:00,886 --> 02:33:08,263 [BanKs] I just heard they were trying to take anything that was like banners and things that were placed around. 2643 02:33:08,545 --> 02:33:09,827 [BanKs] But that was more on the concourse. 2644 02:33:09,868 --> 02:33:11,130 [BanKs] I don't know if it happened on the stage. 2645 02:33:12,579 --> 02:33:12,639 [Devilwalk] OK. 2646 02:33:12,674 --> 02:33:16,183 [BanKs] This guy says stage decorations, which would mean like 2647 02:33:15,404 --> 02:33:20,234 [Devilwalk] Maybe it's just to give the arena staff less work to clean up. 2648 02:33:19,859 --> 02:33:22,684 [BanKs] Well, I don't know what happens to this stuff afterwards. 2649 02:33:22,764 --> 02:33:25,209 [BanKs] I'm pretty sure most of it can't be used anyway. 2650 02:33:25,590 --> 02:33:28,836 [BanKs] I don't think it's good if anyone takes anything that isn't theirs and just steals it, right? 2651 02:33:28,290 --> 02:33:30,915 [Devilwalk] Probably goes into storage to some degree, right? 2652 02:33:30,259 --> 02:33:35,889 [BanKs] If anything, you should go and ask like someone who works at ESL or one of the people there and say, I saw this. 2653 02:33:35,970 --> 02:33:36,451 [BanKs] Can I have it? 2654 02:33:36,471 --> 02:33:39,757 [BanKs] You know, I've done this before in a video game store when I saw they had a big banner. 2655 02:33:40,631 --> 02:33:46,084 [BanKs] of World of Warcraft, I asked them, I said, when you're done selling it and the promotion's over, can I come back to your store and take it? 2656 02:33:46,103 --> 02:33:47,587 [BanKs] And they're like, yeah, you can have it, you know? 2657 02:33:48,228 --> 02:33:49,731 [BanKs] So I got some of them big cardboard cutouts. 2658 02:33:49,752 --> 02:33:51,977 [BanKs] That's, asking's no problem. 2659 02:33:52,397 --> 02:33:54,843 [BanKs] But just stealing it would be pretty disrespectful. 2660 02:33:53,120 --> 02:34:00,858 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2661 02:33:54,863 --> 02:33:56,147 [BanKs] Like, I'm not a fan of that. 2662 02:33:56,547 --> 02:33:59,474 [BanKs] Take some of the glittery stuff that falls from the ceiling when they win. 2663 02:34:00,075 --> 02:34:00,396 [BanKs] Do that. 2664 02:34:02,147 --> 02:34:02,930 [BanKs] All right, next one. 2665 02:34:03,730 --> 02:34:04,372 [BanKs] You know who it is. 2666 02:34:04,513 --> 02:34:06,718 [BanKs] It's Gorga every single time. 2667 02:34:07,138 --> 02:34:08,381 [BanKs] Almost every single time, should we say. 2668 02:34:09,183 --> 02:34:10,727 [BanKs] It's never nice to throw shade. 2669 02:34:09,496 --> 02:34:09,778 [Devilwalk] Almost. 2670 02:34:11,006 --> 02:34:11,407 [BanKs] I know. 2671 02:34:11,689 --> 02:34:15,377 [BanKs] But which individual and which team were your biggest disappointments in Cologne? 2672 02:34:17,823 --> 02:34:19,887 [BanKs] Oh, that's hard. 2673 02:34:18,753 --> 02:34:19,674 [Devilwalk] I have to look back. 2674 02:34:21,503 --> 02:34:25,974 [BanKs] ParaVision wasn't even a big disappointment because we expected them to fail. 2675 02:34:22,281 --> 02:34:23,963 [Devilwalk] Biggest disappointment. 2676 02:34:25,227 --> 02:34:26,510 [Devilwalk] Oh, but I respected it. 2677 02:34:25,994 --> 02:34:27,576 [BanKs] Yeah. 2678 02:34:28,860 --> 02:34:31,325 [BanKs] Maybe Foot because I really thought Foot would make playoffs. 2679 02:34:32,522 --> 02:34:34,888 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I think for me it's... 2680 02:34:33,832 --> 02:34:35,335 [BanKs] But it's not throwing shade on them. 2681 02:34:35,355 --> 02:34:40,186 [BanKs] I just had them so much higher up than where they ended, you know? 2682 02:34:38,445 --> 02:34:42,996 [Devilwalk] For me, honestly, it's Gamer Legion. 2683 02:34:46,563 --> 02:34:56,252 [BanKs] did where did they even make it to maybe i can't even remember that long ago 2684 02:34:46,986 --> 02:34:48,030 [Devilwalk] Going 0-3. 2685 02:34:49,914 --> 02:34:56,370 [Devilwalk] Going 0-3 in stage 2, right? 2686 02:34:57,497 --> 02:35:10,259 [Devilwalk] Okay, but I think them not making stage 3 and being absolutely battered alongside FlyQuest in last place of stage 2 is probably the biggest disappointment. 2687 02:35:10,860 --> 02:35:12,503 [Devilwalk] I think for Foot... 2688 02:35:13,073 --> 02:35:18,308 [Devilwalk] Yes, it's a massive disappointment, but it's also an understandable disappointment. 2689 02:35:18,327 --> 02:35:19,631 [Devilwalk] They almost made it. 2690 02:35:20,093 --> 02:35:24,344 [Devilwalk] They put themselves in a really shit position in the first days. 2691 02:35:20,936 --> 02:35:21,245 [BanKs] Yeah. 2692 02:35:24,385 --> 02:35:26,711 [Devilwalk] They fought their way back into a 2-2 game. 2693 02:35:27,838 --> 02:35:30,201 [Devilwalk] And eventually, you know, lost. 2694 02:35:30,221 --> 02:35:36,391 [Devilwalk] But it's harsh because they're such a young team and they just bursted into the scene. 2695 02:35:36,412 --> 02:35:40,518 [Devilwalk] It's understandable they don't make a major playoff the first time around. 2696 02:35:41,153 --> 02:35:41,699 [BanKs] Yeah. 2697 02:35:42,620 --> 02:35:45,645 [Devilwalk] So disappointing is... 2698 02:35:46,503 --> 02:35:49,750 [Devilwalk] They weren't really that much of a disappointment. 2699 02:35:49,889 --> 02:35:52,695 [Devilwalk] It was more like, ah, I wanted more. 2700 02:35:55,733 --> 02:36:10,552 [BanKs] um i i it's so much i think narvi and foot i can both put as big disappointments for me personally because i had them both going playoffs and in terms of individual players 2701 02:36:04,719 --> 02:36:05,001 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2702 02:36:07,225 --> 02:36:07,668 [Devilwalk] Me too. 2703 02:36:11,629 --> 02:36:15,855 [BanKs] I would say Lowndes compared to his normal level that he's shown all year was not great. 2704 02:36:18,360 --> 02:36:20,802 [BanKs] But he's still an incredible player and I think he'll be picked up very soon. 2705 02:36:20,923 --> 02:36:21,703 [BanKs] That's about it. 2706 02:36:22,264 --> 02:36:24,748 [BanKs] It's hard because I'm so big focused on the playoffs. 2707 02:36:24,849 --> 02:36:26,390 [BanKs] A lot of it's gone out of my mind. 2708 02:36:28,192 --> 02:36:29,976 [BanKs] Oh, next one's interesting. 2709 02:36:32,621 --> 02:36:34,466 [Devilwalk] It's from Botas. 2710 02:36:35,247 --> 02:36:37,012 [Devilwalk] Is Passion UA bankrupt? 2711 02:36:38,781 --> 02:36:39,770 [BanKs] They're not bankrupt. 2712 02:36:38,855 --> 02:36:39,577 [Devilwalk] That's the question. 2713 02:36:39,638 --> 02:36:40,399 [Devilwalk] I have no clue. 2714 02:36:41,382 --> 02:36:44,184 [BanKs] I think they spent way too much money on players that didn't work out. 2715 02:36:44,806 --> 02:36:48,032 [BanKs] Zinchenko now is no longer associated with them. 2716 02:36:48,052 --> 02:36:50,138 [BanKs] There's a video about that on the passenger thing. 2717 02:36:49,079 --> 02:36:49,180 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2718 02:36:51,281 --> 02:36:56,131 [BanKs] So obviously that's a big loss in terms of bringing in sponsors and being there to help on the media side with things. 2719 02:36:56,692 --> 02:37:03,388 [BanKs] The fact he's come away from it, the way I personally looked at it, I don't have any information, was they're no longer a Ukrainian team. 2720 02:37:04,128 --> 02:37:06,331 [BanKs] He wanted to focus on Ukrainian esports. 2721 02:37:06,691 --> 02:37:07,634 [BanKs] It's not that anymore. 2722 02:37:08,295 --> 02:37:11,799 [BanKs] And it's not, that's not interesting to him, right? 2723 02:37:12,081 --> 02:37:15,926 [BanKs] As someone who wants to see his country thrive and very supportive of Ukraine. 2724 02:37:16,747 --> 02:37:21,315 [BanKs] I don't know if they're bankrupt because they haven't announced it yet, but they are selling JT to Liquid. 2725 02:37:21,334 --> 02:37:22,457 [BanKs] I think that's almost confirmed. 2726 02:37:22,876 --> 02:37:39,989 [BanKs] um try is definitely gonna be bought out by some teams i know a lot of teams are looking at try i heard that at the major so many people wanted to get try so good or yeah um so good orpers are hard to find try speaks english um portuguese and spanish i believe 2727 02:37:29,996 --> 02:37:32,645 [Devilwalk] It was MIBR with the Klim situation as well, right? 2728 02:37:40,847 --> 02:37:41,829 [BanKs] Maybe I'm wrong about the Spanish. 2729 02:37:41,895 --> 02:37:42,014 [Devilwalk] What? 2730 02:37:42,252 --> 02:37:49,590 [BanKs] But it definitely seems like Passion New Way is either going to have to rebuild from scratch or whatever they're going to do. 2731 02:37:49,610 --> 02:37:50,792 [BanKs] But this lineup they've got is dead. 2732 02:37:50,852 --> 02:37:52,657 [BanKs] So bankrupt, probably not. 2733 02:37:53,639 --> 02:37:55,064 [BanKs] Going to work with less money than before. 2734 02:37:55,324 --> 02:37:58,451 [BanKs] Yes. 2735 02:37:57,300 --> 02:37:59,807 [Devilwalk] Don't they speak Spanish in Argentina? 2736 02:38:00,575 --> 02:38:00,854 [BanKs] Yes. 2737 02:38:02,032 --> 02:38:04,439 [Devilwalk] Yeah, so he definitely speaks Spanish then. 2738 02:38:04,842 --> 02:38:06,144 [BanKs] I couldn't remember what country he was from. 2739 02:38:06,704 --> 02:38:07,445 [BanKs] I couldn't remember. 2740 02:38:08,369 --> 02:38:12,379 [Devilwalk] Okay. 2741 02:38:10,010 --> 02:38:13,454 [BanKs] I didn't want to say something, yeah, and you're like, oh, actually, he's from Uruguay. 2742 02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:12,980 [Devilwalk] Okay, yeah. 2743 02:38:13,495 --> 02:38:14,997 [BanKs] You know, just throw me under the bus. 2744 02:38:15,638 --> 02:38:17,621 [BanKs] You did it anyway, so great. 2745 02:38:17,602 --> 02:38:35,340 [BanKs] um salt line cracker says with this major win how important is this major run for carrigan mentally having to slay all three of his cs2 demons i mentioned this earlier to make the finals narvi from copenhagen to get to playoffs uh vitality from budapest semis and then spirit from shanghai's guys how do you think this could affect him in the future 2746 02:38:36,181 --> 02:38:38,073 [BanKs] I don't think it really touches too much on his future. 2747 02:38:38,112 --> 02:38:41,292 [BanKs] I just think it's like a very positive thing for him in the moment. 2748 02:38:41,555 --> 02:38:42,259 [BanKs] And it's like, 2749 02:38:43,100 --> 02:39:02,424 [BanKs] just revenge for him i don't think he's a very focused on revenge person this is a nice storyline we have to say i just think that this is like solid for um him going forward and knowing that he was able to get past these guys even with a brand new team and doing it his way 2750 02:39:03,772 --> 02:39:12,949 [Devilwalk] I mean, I just think it cements his place in the team in a way that, you know, they obviously gambled a little bit to bring him on in the middle of a season. 2751 02:39:13,228 --> 02:39:23,788 [Devilwalk] And the amount of trust and stuff that he will get from Falcons as an organization, the teammates around him, that they managed to do this well. 2752 02:39:23,768 --> 02:39:43,718 [Devilwalk] you know so well so early on but other than that i mean he's been through it all i don't really see it changing him too much other than maybe having a little bit more of a brighter focus for the future um 2753 02:39:42,905 --> 02:39:43,245 [BanKs] Yeah. 2754 02:39:45,097 --> 02:39:51,427 [Devilwalk] Yeah, it's not like it's a revolutionary thing for him in some sense. 2755 02:39:51,155 --> 02:39:51,396 [BanKs] Yeah. 2756 02:39:54,093 --> 02:39:58,880 [Devilwalk] It's still going to be the same old Kerrigan, but maybe even in a better mood than it normally is. 2757 02:40:02,986 --> 02:40:03,427 [Devilwalk] OK. 2758 02:40:05,415 --> 02:40:12,929 [Devilwalk] JaffaCasts, what do you think is going to be the craziest roster move this season? 2759 02:40:12,949 --> 02:40:16,375 [Devilwalk] And also, do you think Halle is going to leave Spirit? 2760 02:40:13,245 --> 02:40:30,629 [BanKs] oh no i i don't think hallie's leaving spirit unless his health issues continue to get worse he had to go back to russia for an operation obviously they live in serbia right but i think because he had to go back to russia for the operation depending on how 2761 02:40:17,777 --> 02:40:22,986 [Devilwalk] I don't... Yeah... 2762 02:40:31,166 --> 02:40:45,041 [BanKs] quickly he can recover and how long term I messaged him I spoke to him but he didn't give me the insight on exactly what he was going through but it's that serious that he had to go back so I think it is dependent on his health situation 2763 02:40:45,022 --> 02:40:48,247 [BanKs] But I don't think no matter what happens, Halle won't be leaving Spirit. 2764 02:40:48,308 --> 02:40:52,034 [BanKs] Like, unless it's health reasons, he'll still be involved in some way. 2765 02:40:49,104 --> 02:41:03,486 [Devilwalk] no that's a horrid one probably yeah 2766 02:40:52,454 --> 02:40:54,478 [BanKs] And craziest roster move this season? 2767 02:40:54,498 --> 02:40:57,523 [BanKs] Or what do you think is going to be the craziest roster move this season? 2768 02:40:57,805 --> 02:40:57,965 [BanKs] Ooh. 2769 02:40:59,006 --> 02:41:01,832 [BanKs] I think whatever Na'Vi change comes up will be the craziest. 2770 02:41:03,667 --> 02:41:06,112 [BanKs] Because I've got a bit of insight that I'm trying to confirm. 2771 02:41:06,774 --> 02:41:09,320 [BanKs] And one of them is wild. 2772 02:41:11,784 --> 02:41:12,165 [Devilwalk] All right. 2773 02:41:12,887 --> 02:41:13,147 [Devilwalk] Cool. 2774 02:41:14,572 --> 02:41:17,317 [BanKs] You've got no roster moves, no. 2775 02:41:14,728 --> 02:41:19,716 [Devilwalk] I don't know. 2776 02:41:17,599 --> 02:41:18,260 [BanKs] You've got no idea. 2777 02:41:19,382 --> 02:41:20,765 [BanKs] That's fine. 2778 02:41:19,736 --> 02:41:24,381 [Devilwalk] I think it's hard to... Yeah. 2779 02:41:22,416 --> 02:41:23,620 [BanKs] You can skip past that one, mate. 2780 02:41:25,565 --> 02:41:26,406 [BanKs] Saltline Cracker. 2781 02:41:25,963 --> 02:41:28,708 [Devilwalk] Well... Oh. 2782 02:41:26,686 --> 02:41:27,529 [BanKs] Another question from him. 2783 02:41:28,471 --> 02:41:28,711 [BanKs] Oh, wait. 2784 02:41:28,731 --> 02:41:32,480 [BanKs] Do you want to say anything else? 2785 02:41:30,430 --> 02:41:30,810 [Devilwalk] No, no, go. 2786 02:41:30,831 --> 02:41:30,890 [Devilwalk] Go. 2787 02:41:32,501 --> 02:41:32,861 [BanKs] Okay. 2788 02:41:33,143 --> 02:41:34,906 [BanKs] Move your bloody thing. 2789 02:41:36,558 --> 02:41:41,666 [BanKs] Since Team Spirit played without a coach, what does this say about Magix as an IGL? 2790 02:41:41,967 --> 02:41:43,931 [BanKs] Do you think Shiro played a part in that? 2791 02:41:43,950 --> 02:41:45,853 [BanKs] 100% Shiro played a part in that. 2792 02:41:44,944 --> 02:41:45,825 [Devilwalk] 100%. 2793 02:41:46,254 --> 02:41:48,738 [BanKs] We saw him talking so much during all these timeouts. 2794 02:41:48,759 --> 02:41:53,486 [BanKs] What I love with Shiro, yeah, is he like goes over the desk and like, 2795 02:41:53,719 --> 02:42:08,421 [BanKs] talking directly to like the whole team i love the little just like how animated he is when he's doing it also just like obviously we've got no idea what he's saying they don't they don't give us all the team comms of him yeah 2796 02:42:04,907 --> 02:42:06,911 [Devilwalk] He's always been a secondary caller. 2797 02:42:07,252 --> 02:42:15,364 [Devilwalk] Even back in the days in Gambit Youngsters when he came out and rose up in the ranks of the start of his career. 2798 02:42:15,945 --> 02:42:20,453 [Devilwalk] He's always been vocal and calling and being a big voice in a team. 2799 02:42:20,474 --> 02:42:22,377 [Devilwalk] So obviously... 2800 02:42:22,356 --> 02:42:23,870 [Devilwalk] he's going to have an impact. 2801 02:42:23,890 --> 02:42:26,798 [Devilwalk] But I think to the same degree, you know, 2802 02:42:28,076 --> 02:42:44,988 [Devilwalk] Magix has been great as an IGL I think the big part is it's been rocky but it's getting better and it's getting better and you know you see I don't think that 2803 02:42:45,255 --> 02:42:51,097 [Devilwalk] it's all Hal, it's all soft tick, soft tick, soft tick, 2804 02:42:50,739 --> 02:42:51,400 [BanKs] Sotvic. 2805 02:42:52,143 --> 02:42:52,644 [BanKs] There you go. 2806 02:42:52,444 --> 02:43:00,286 [Devilwalk] who has just changed everything and all of a sudden magically performed well. 2807 02:43:00,666 --> 02:43:04,396 [Devilwalk] It's also been part of the growth of Magix as an in-game leader. 2808 02:43:04,617 --> 02:43:06,942 [Devilwalk] You have to remember, he didn't need IGL before. 2809 02:43:06,923 --> 02:43:14,827 [Devilwalk] takes over one of the, you know, probably best teams in the world with the best player in the world. 2810 02:43:07,557 --> 02:43:07,736 [BanKs] Yep. 2811 02:43:15,289 --> 02:43:20,646 [Devilwalk] And you're expected to deliver instantly after taking over from Chopper. 2812 02:43:20,626 --> 02:43:24,459 [Devilwalk] And he's taken on the role and he's done great. 2813 02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:26,525 [Devilwalk] I love Magix as a player. 2814 02:43:26,765 --> 02:43:28,230 [Devilwalk] Always loved Magix as a player. 2815 02:43:28,632 --> 02:43:33,909 [Devilwalk] I think he's the most annoying B-anchor in the entire world on Mirage. 2816 02:43:33,889 --> 02:43:49,468 [Devilwalk] so you know I'm a big fan of his and I think that he's just gonna grow and grow into this role and it seems like you know the players around him are starting to trust him more and more 2817 02:43:50,274 --> 02:43:56,647 [BanKs] And I think we've just looking at how he called that game against Carrigan and stuck with him and played it through them over times. 2818 02:43:56,709 --> 02:44:10,156 [BanKs] I think just the run they had even the G2 game when you're mentioning for the fact he's doing it without a coach says a lot about what matches can do in the future and how he is like he may be a troll and be really awkward at times and interviews and stuff. 2819 02:44:10,137 --> 02:44:15,908 [BanKs] But he's showing class as a captain and as a person for his team. 2820 02:44:16,189 --> 02:44:17,310 [BanKs] And that's the most important thing. 2821 02:44:18,051 --> 02:44:23,382 [Devilwalk] Yeah, and he makes Donk smile, so... Yeah, that's a win. 2822 02:44:21,078 --> 02:44:21,980 [BanKs] That also is a win. 2823 02:44:22,861 --> 02:44:23,463 [BanKs] Massive win. 2824 02:44:24,424 --> 02:44:25,907 [BanKs] Oh, well, this question is hella long. 2825 02:44:26,770 --> 02:44:27,451 [BanKs] Am I doing this one? 2826 02:44:27,351 --> 02:44:30,838 [Devilwalk] Are you? 2827 02:44:27,471 --> 02:44:28,212 [BanKs] Yeah, I'm doing this one. 2828 02:44:30,352 --> 02:44:30,815 [BanKs] Or did you? 2829 02:44:30,915 --> 02:44:31,376 [BanKs] Did you know? 2830 02:44:31,415 --> 02:44:32,639 [BanKs] I can't remember. 2831 02:44:33,384 --> 02:44:35,368 [Devilwalk] No, I think this one is mine. 2832 02:44:35,530 --> 02:44:36,211 [BanKs] Okay, good. 2833 02:44:36,311 --> 02:44:37,055 [BanKs] That's perfect. 2834 02:44:37,778 --> 02:44:39,781 [Devilwalk] Okay, Sam the Rusty Crab. 2835 02:44:39,822 --> 02:44:54,994 [Devilwalk] He says, considering how incohesive Vitality played and the fact that they had so much time dedicated to the preparations for the major, do you think they are going to be able to bounce back? 2836 02:44:40,906 --> 02:44:41,729 [BanKs] Great name, by the way. 2837 02:44:55,548 --> 02:45:06,147 [Devilwalk] not on an individual level, mainly on the team side, as it seems to me, have been the thing that they've been better than anyone else and seems to have dropped off 2838 02:45:06,415 --> 02:45:08,179 [Devilwalk] the most to the major. 2839 02:45:08,920 --> 02:45:11,826 [Devilwalk] I think for the fact just multiple things. 2840 02:45:12,147 --> 02:45:14,111 [Devilwalk] I think they took a big break. 2841 02:45:14,131 --> 02:45:16,496 [Devilwalk] I think they kind of scheduled it weirdly. 2842 02:45:16,537 --> 02:45:18,300 [Devilwalk] They've always been really, really good. 2843 02:45:18,480 --> 02:45:19,703 [Devilwalk] I think they're going to learn from it. 2844 02:45:19,724 --> 02:45:21,468 [Devilwalk] They're going to bounce back. 2845 02:45:21,487 --> 02:45:23,412 [Devilwalk] And I think they know 2846 02:45:23,391 --> 02:45:28,643 [Devilwalk] the issues and where they lie and how to fix them I don't see them 2847 02:45:29,854 --> 02:45:35,449 [Devilwalk] going out of this major with question marks of why things turned the way they turned. 2848 02:45:36,165 --> 02:45:43,813 [BanKs] Yeah. 2849 02:45:36,611 --> 02:45:39,279 [Devilwalk] And it's not like they played awful. 2850 02:45:40,582 --> 02:45:42,406 [Devilwalk] It's just they didn't play perfect. 2851 02:45:43,649 --> 02:45:44,150 [Devilwalk] And 2852 02:45:45,649 --> 02:45:59,457 [Devilwalk] And I have no doubt in my mind that they are going to rectify the mistakes that were made, come back stronger, but in a season with a lot stronger teams than the previous ones. 2853 02:46:00,516 --> 02:46:06,110 [BanKs] Yeah, I think they will be back to at least winning some trophies, whether it will be as dominant as what we've seen from Vitality in the past. 2854 02:46:06,550 --> 02:46:07,292 [BanKs] We'll have to wait and see. 2855 02:46:07,333 --> 02:46:08,236 [BanKs] No one can predict that. 2856 02:46:08,556 --> 02:46:12,605 [BanKs] But this is a team that knows how to get back on the saddle and get back to doing what they do best. 2857 02:46:13,268 --> 02:46:14,290 [BanKs] And... 2858 02:46:14,270 --> 02:46:32,666 [BanKs] as long as that motivation still works as long as they still believe in each other they should be able to get back to it and it's we're talking about the team side it is a team with a lot of chemistry and a lot of belief in each other but it's about how you get through the tough times and they already did it once last year if you remember and they came back to win Budapest so 2859 02:46:25,254 --> 02:46:31,325 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2860 02:46:31,345 --> 02:46:31,688 [Devilwalk] I did. 2861 02:46:33,727 --> 02:46:37,745 [BanKs] If it goes from what they've shown us in the past, I'm expecting to see it again. 2862 02:46:38,856 --> 02:46:45,815 [Devilwalk] He also asks the question, do you think Foote are on an upwards trajectory from here on out? 2863 02:46:46,938 --> 02:46:49,604 [Devilwalk] He says, to me, they are the new vitality. 2864 02:46:49,625 --> 02:46:53,575 [Devilwalk] I honestly thought they could win the whole major, but I guess Kerrigan is still the GOAT. 2865 02:46:54,584 --> 02:46:56,086 [BanKs] I don't know about win the whole major. 2866 02:46:56,127 --> 02:46:57,530 [BanKs] I definitely had them making playoffs. 2867 02:46:58,111 --> 02:46:59,895 [BanKs] They were on an upward trajectory. 2868 02:47:00,296 --> 02:47:05,265 [BanKs] And I told... I said many times on this podcast, I don't want any of their players to go anywhere. 2869 02:47:05,586 --> 02:47:10,596 [BanKs] But then Lounce has, like, said he's open to offers and has basically benched himself, which I didn't expect. 2870 02:47:11,439 --> 02:47:12,120 [BanKs] And... 2871 02:47:12,656 --> 02:47:17,343 [BanKs] Now we're in a position where they are open. 2872 02:47:16,132 --> 02:47:16,862 [Devilwalk] It's imploding. 2873 02:47:17,543 --> 02:47:20,347 [BanKs] Yeah, they are open for many players to come pick them across, right? 2874 02:47:20,647 --> 02:47:26,115 [BanKs] So if some really top teams come and look for some of these young players, I say stay together, but they could easily lose one or two. 2875 02:47:26,515 --> 02:47:29,560 [BanKs] And also, Na'Vi did this before with other players. 2876 02:47:29,761 --> 02:47:31,222 [BanKs] I think with Monacy was one as well. 2877 02:47:32,198 --> 02:47:37,126 [BanKs] They have a buyback clause of first refusal. 2878 02:47:37,146 --> 02:47:42,415 [BanKs] So if Foot's going to put some of the players up for grabs, Na'Vi will get the first ask, do you want them? 2879 02:47:43,066 --> 02:47:43,325 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2880 02:47:44,037 --> 02:47:45,360 [BanKs] That's how it worked in the past. 2881 02:47:45,399 --> 02:47:49,887 [BanKs] We don't know if that's 100% true, but I'm pretty sure that was how it would work out. 2882 02:47:50,457 --> 02:47:52,365 [BanKs] Good idea that they were on an upward trajectory. 2883 02:47:52,425 --> 02:47:56,947 [BanKs] Certainly, believe you, they lifted a trophy as well in this season, being a PGL Bucharest. 2884 02:47:56,967 --> 02:47:59,960 [BanKs] But it's not looking so good for wanting to keep them together. 2885 02:48:02,218 --> 02:48:04,546 [Devilwalk] Lastly, how good of an IGL is Magix? 2886 02:48:04,947 --> 02:48:13,815 [Devilwalk] Since I always struggle saying IGL X is better than Y due to the coach having potentially such a high influence, I'm currently considering Magix as potentially a top 2887 02:48:11,229 --> 02:48:24,147 [BanKs] Yeah. 2888 02:48:13,795 --> 02:48:15,138 [Devilwalk] 2-3 IGL. 2889 02:48:15,619 --> 02:48:17,262 [Devilwalk] How far fetched do you think this is? 2890 02:48:17,983 --> 02:48:20,808 [Devilwalk] I don't think he's a top 2-3 IGL. 2891 02:48:21,009 --> 02:48:22,913 [Devilwalk] I think he has the potential to get up there. 2892 02:48:23,433 --> 02:48:29,525 [Devilwalk] I think it's hard to put him in the ranks of Apex, Kerrigan, etc., 2893 02:48:29,135 --> 02:48:29,796 [BanKs] Clive. 2894 02:48:29,505 --> 02:48:31,490 [Devilwalk] I think it's hard to put him in. 2895 02:48:32,173 --> 02:48:33,557 [Devilwalk] I mean it's not about all time. 2896 02:48:33,576 --> 02:48:34,359 [Devilwalk] I think currently. 2897 02:48:35,092 --> 02:48:35,575 [BanKs] Okay. 2898 02:48:36,444 --> 02:48:37,647 [Devilwalk] But I think it's hard to put him. 2899 02:48:37,747 --> 02:48:39,532 [Devilwalk] Even in the category of Fallen. 2900 02:48:39,513 --> 02:48:56,204 [Devilwalk] I would say that he's in the ranks of below those elites in game leaders still you know in terms of you know he still has a long way to go to get up to that level but I think the progress is great 2901 02:48:40,662 --> 02:48:40,984 [BanKs] Yeah. 2902 02:48:56,184 --> 02:49:00,340 [Devilwalk] I would put him in the five to ten layers of the world. 2903 02:49:02,310 --> 02:49:06,138 [BanKs] I think that what he showed this major was super impressive. 2904 02:49:06,638 --> 02:49:07,701 [BanKs] Everything they had to go through. 2905 02:49:08,121 --> 02:49:09,806 [BanKs] They won Astana as well. 2906 02:49:09,865 --> 02:49:12,331 [BanKs] They've been looking great under his leadership. 2907 02:49:12,891 --> 02:49:15,056 [BanKs] Obviously, Halle has a lot to do with that. 2908 02:49:15,316 --> 02:49:21,247 [BanKs] The game plan has a lot to do with that, but he proved he could do it even without Sopvic and Halle being there to support him, help him. 2909 02:49:21,497 --> 02:49:26,671 [BanKs] Even if they were like behind the scenes, they weren't there in person during the game, which is the most important moment. 2910 02:49:28,936 --> 02:49:30,540 [BanKs] I respect that you say top two to three. 2911 02:49:30,581 --> 02:49:34,550 [BanKs] I think he's a little bit further off from that, but it would just come with time and experience. 2912 02:49:34,672 --> 02:49:37,177 [BanKs] He can definitely put himself in that conversation. 2913 02:49:37,157 --> 02:49:41,867 [BanKs] Here we can make some magic and wonders happen with the team going forward as he continues to be IGL. 2914 02:49:41,887 --> 02:49:45,635 [BanKs] But I feel like he's a player that can sit in this IGL role for a very long time. 2915 02:49:46,216 --> 02:49:53,309 [BanKs] And he's already starting to show he can be the captain IGL, not just an IGL, which is very important, not just a joker. 2916 02:49:46,625 --> 02:49:46,900 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2917 02:49:53,290 --> 02:50:12,462 [BanKs] um and our last question is from jekiram and it says while the entertainment was great especially playoff friday and saturday plus nrg versus big and the storyline of the major events were great what do you think about the quality of play at cologne tough question 2918 02:50:11,177 --> 02:50:30,282 [Devilwalk] Honestly like I will say this I don't I think quality wise it was good but I think it's the quality wasn't 2919 02:50:17,775 --> 02:50:19,760 [BanKs] You said even stage one was good. 2920 02:50:30,736 --> 02:50:31,418 [Devilwalk] The best. 2921 02:50:31,761 --> 02:50:34,433 [Devilwalk] And that's probably why we got so even games. 2922 02:50:32,850 --> 02:50:32,950 [BanKs] Yeah. 2923 02:50:34,575 --> 02:50:36,302 [Devilwalk] Why we got so much excitement. 2924 02:50:36,424 --> 02:50:38,092 [Devilwalk] Because it was a little bit chaotic. 2925 02:50:38,152 --> 02:50:39,700 [Devilwalk] It was a little bit... 2926 02:50:39,763 --> 02:50:53,772 [Devilwalk] back and forth there were moments where people claw backgrounds but I think to some extent that makes the games greater when it's not perfect when it's 2927 02:50:51,593 --> 02:50:51,894 [BanKs] Yeah. 2928 02:50:53,753 --> 02:51:06,783 [Devilwalk] a little bit random at times when you know that's when we get these amazing moments you know no one can say that magic's one before was was i mean it's great from his end but it's also terrible 2929 02:51:06,662 --> 02:51:07,965 [BanKs] Don't you do that. 2930 02:51:06,881 --> 02:51:07,763 [Devilwalk] on other parts. 2931 02:51:08,545 --> 02:51:12,953 [Devilwalk] There's always going to be a little bit of a mixed bag when you talk about this. 2932 02:51:15,539 --> 02:51:19,546 [Devilwalk] Did I think the winners were the best quality Counter-Strike that I've seen? 2933 02:51:19,585 --> 02:51:19,947 [Devilwalk] No. 2934 02:51:20,787 --> 02:51:33,885 [BanKs] Thank you. 2935 02:51:21,850 --> 02:51:23,279 [Devilwalk] But it was enough this time. 2936 02:51:23,340 --> 02:51:23,984 [Devilwalk] And that's enough. 2937 02:51:24,245 --> 02:51:26,399 [Devilwalk] But I think it was a great. 2938 02:51:27,064 --> 02:51:28,130 [Devilwalk] Competitive. 2939 02:51:29,477 --> 02:51:30,600 [Devilwalk] you know, major. 2940 02:51:30,760 --> 02:51:43,183 [Devilwalk] And I think that's for me the more important part rather than someone, one team playing perfect, but all teams playing to an equal footing or close to each other. 2941 02:51:44,885 --> 02:51:49,016 [BanKs] I think for me, stage one was just meh, was acceptable for that level. 2942 02:51:49,638 --> 02:51:51,905 [BanKs] Still kind of weird, obviously, having that many teams in the major. 2943 02:51:52,004 --> 02:51:53,067 [BanKs] I think stage two. 2944 02:51:52,242 --> 02:51:58,414 [Devilwalk] I mean, it's just a matter of fact that it's qualified for the major and baked into the major. 2945 02:51:53,108 --> 02:51:56,277 [BanKs] Yeah, yeah. 2946 02:51:58,343 --> 02:51:58,623 [BanKs] Yeah. 2947 02:51:58,433 --> 02:51:59,198 [Devilwalk] That's stage one. 2948 02:52:00,611 --> 02:52:03,299 [BanKs] And obviously, it's a lot of the lesser skilled region teams as well. 2949 02:52:03,841 --> 02:52:05,967 [BanKs] I think stage two just ramped up. 2950 02:52:06,208 --> 02:52:08,715 [BanKs] And from there on, I was locked in. 2951 02:52:08,735 --> 02:52:10,861 [BanKs] I'm like, okay, this is going to be crazy, right? 2952 02:52:11,583 --> 02:52:13,186 [BanKs] And 2953 02:52:14,094 --> 02:52:17,727 [BanKs] From there on out, we were just blessed with a lot of the crazy playoff games. 2954 02:52:18,168 --> 02:52:22,182 [BanKs] But you can't say it was the highest quality ever of a major because it wasn't like, 2955 02:52:22,701 --> 02:52:25,270 [BanKs] the most beautifully played rounds and tactics. 2956 02:52:25,290 --> 02:52:26,634 [BanKs] But that's not what Counter-Strike's about. 2957 02:52:26,674 --> 02:52:29,561 [BanKs] It's about winning it in those wild moments and the chaos moments. 2958 02:52:29,333 --> 02:52:48,585 [Devilwalk] We are done. 2959 02:52:29,582 --> 02:52:35,579 [BanKs] And when you've got a team like Kerrigan's playing like that, and you've got a team like Spirit doing it with no coach, you are going to get some of that absolutely... 2960 02:52:36,606 --> 02:52:52,488 [BanKs] crazy bullshit like that we see and um that's what made it special um so with that we are done devil and you said we wouldn't make three three hours and we're almost there so we still found a way to do it and go for everything there was a lot of questions by the way so thank you so much 2961 02:52:48,605 --> 02:52:49,047 [Devilwalk] Okay. 2962 02:52:52,468 --> 02:53:01,450 [BanKs] to everyone who's part of the discourse sending in the questions we appreciate you massively also massive shout out to everyone that started subscribing we've gained like nearly 400 2963 02:53:01,700 --> 02:53:14,376 [BanKs] subscribers since um doing the major coverage uh you guys have been amazing the viewership's going up the support is there as well so we just hugely appreciate it we were not at the major and we still got to do a lot of major 2964 02:53:14,355 --> 02:53:15,680 [BanKs] good content interviews. 2965 02:53:16,281 --> 02:53:17,665 [BanKs] You'll still get this out of us. 2966 02:53:17,706 --> 02:53:21,335 [BanKs] We will continue to be the most consistent podcast in Counter-Strike for you all. 2967 02:53:22,038 --> 02:53:23,462 [BanKs] And that is what we stick to. 2968 02:53:23,483 --> 02:53:25,889 [BanKs] We'll be covering XSE Pro League this week as well. 2969 02:53:25,950 --> 02:53:26,390 [BanKs] So there'll be 2970 02:53:27,096 --> 02:53:28,239 [Devilwalk] And some roster mania. 2971 02:53:27,316 --> 02:53:30,503 [BanKs] Another episode about that a lot of roster mania as well. 2972 02:53:30,522 --> 02:53:38,480 [BanKs] I'm trying to get some more insights while that's going on while also take care of family and having my baby here and everything before flying to China. 2973 02:53:38,502 --> 02:53:39,603 [BanKs] So 2974 02:53:38,752 --> 02:53:40,718 [Devilwalk] And I got a dog to take care of. 2975 02:53:41,406 --> 02:53:42,572 [BanKs] It's basically the same. 2976 02:53:43,114 --> 02:53:43,878 [BanKs] I've also got a dog. 2977 02:53:45,364 --> 02:53:50,066 [BanKs] But I want to leave on this one thing that even though I wasn't part of the major... 2978 02:53:50,282 --> 02:53:51,045 [BanKs] all the fans. 2979 02:53:51,104 --> 02:53:52,166 [BanKs] I had a signing session. 2980 02:53:52,587 --> 02:53:53,328 [BanKs] So many people came. 2981 02:53:53,408 --> 02:53:55,292 [BanKs] I thought my signing session was going to end quickly. 2982 02:53:55,954 --> 02:54:00,222 [BanKs] Cause like it kind of dry, like a lot of people just stopped coming in because they didn't know where it was. 2983 02:54:00,283 --> 02:54:00,965 [BanKs] I was in a tent. 2984 02:54:01,306 --> 02:54:01,646 [BanKs] Yeah. 2985 02:54:01,665 --> 02:54:03,569 [BanKs] Cause I'm hiding from the sun. 2986 02:54:02,111 --> 02:54:03,466 [Devilwalk] Ah. 2987 02:54:04,070 --> 02:54:06,376 [BanKs] And then it went for like an hour and a half, just more and more. 2988 02:54:06,396 --> 02:54:07,818 [BanKs] And then more people came through. 2989 02:54:08,406 --> 02:54:12,793 [BanKs] But so many people I saw in the arena, they were like, it should be you there. 2990 02:54:12,814 --> 02:54:13,795 [BanKs] We wish it was you there. 2991 02:54:14,036 --> 02:54:16,879 [BanKs] Like, it's not the same without you on stage, not the same as you. 2992 02:54:16,899 --> 02:54:21,227 [BanKs] And that means so much to me that you guys who watch it, who love the game, you are the community. 2993 02:54:21,246 --> 02:54:23,530 [BanKs] It's not just like me thinking I should be there. 2994 02:54:24,412 --> 02:54:26,454 [BanKs] So I appreciate all the love, all the support. 2995 02:54:26,514 --> 02:54:27,916 [BanKs] It means so much to me. 2996 02:54:27,897 --> 02:54:34,256 [BanKs] And like I said earlier, the comeback is going to be so much bigger than the setback. 2997 02:54:34,436 --> 02:54:36,603 [BanKs] That is the Kerrigan quote I'm taking from all of it. 2998 02:54:36,864 --> 02:54:38,649 [BanKs] And I will just say this about Falcons, right? 2999 02:54:39,506 --> 02:54:44,114 [BanKs] Kerrigan made Kerski into playoff great forms, right? 3000 02:54:44,595 --> 02:54:53,411 [BanKs] Nico into getting his major and great late round plays of winning overtimes and good pistol rounds as well in a very short amount of time. 3001 02:54:53,431 --> 02:54:55,854 [BanKs] So it just makes me more excited to see what he can do going forward. 3002 02:54:56,175 --> 02:54:58,039 [BanKs] And if he's going to be working on his individual form. 3003 02:54:58,558 --> 02:54:59,740 [BanKs] Boy, we are in for a treat. 3004 02:54:59,800 --> 02:55:00,782 [BanKs] It is going to be crazy. 3005 02:55:01,784 --> 02:55:02,906 [BanKs] DevWalk, anything you want to add? 3006 02:55:03,993 --> 02:55:13,235 [Devilwalk] I mean, you always leave me last for the intros or outros, and you say everything that can be said. 3007 02:55:12,702 --> 02:55:13,363 [BanKs] I am a yapper. 3008 02:55:14,046 --> 02:55:14,846 [BanKs] Professional yapper. 3009 02:55:14,256 --> 02:55:14,677 [Devilwalk] I mean... 3010 02:55:15,637 --> 02:55:23,950 [Devilwalk] I again just want to take the moment to obviously thank all our viewers, subscribers, people who comment, send in questions. 3011 02:55:24,111 --> 02:55:24,871 [Devilwalk] We love you guys. 3012 02:55:25,292 --> 02:55:28,998 [Devilwalk] It's awesome to have this amount of questions. 3013 02:55:29,079 --> 02:55:33,046 [Devilwalk] You know, when we started this, we were like, we got like two questions. 3014 02:55:33,126 --> 02:55:35,350 [Devilwalk] It was Gorger and some other dude. 3015 02:55:35,329 --> 02:55:47,364 [Devilwalk] and now we're getting a bunch of them and i love that it just makes the show great that it makes you know it more interesting to do this so thank you guys 3016 02:55:39,007 --> 02:55:39,433 [BanKs] Yeah. 3017 02:55:48,492 --> 02:55:49,033 [BanKs] Hell yeah. 3018 02:55:49,054 --> 02:55:51,922 [BanKs] Well, this has been episode 72 of the All About Counter-Strike podcast. 3019 02:55:51,941 --> 02:55:55,050 [BanKs] Thank you very much for watching or listening wherever you are in the world. 3020 02:55:55,391 --> 02:55:56,234 [BanKs] Keep watching Counter-Strike. 3021 02:55:56,254 --> 02:55:56,896 [BanKs] Keep enjoying it. 3022 02:55:57,217 --> 02:56:01,208 [BanKs] It may be vacation time, but there's going to be a lot more content coming your way because we never stop. 3023 02:56:01,648 --> 02:56:02,551 [BanKs] See you on the next episode.