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[BanKs]  What is going on everybody?

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[BanKs] We are back for episode 58 of the All About
Counter-Strike podcast.

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[BanKs] Thank you very much for joining us for another
episode over here.

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[BanKs] I'm going to do the usual and get this out of the
way nice and fast.

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[BanKs]  It is the 24th of April, 2026.

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[BanKs] It is 3.13 in the afternoon for me, which means it
is 4.13 for Devwalk over in Sweden.

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[BanKs] You actually look like you got some sun.

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[BanKs] That's pretty good.

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[BanKs] You look like you're in a bright part of Sweden
right now.

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[Devilwalk]  It's like gray cloudy outside, so yeah.

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[BanKs] He's looking out like,

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[BanKs]  Okay, in your room, it looks nice.

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[BanKs] So I'll give you that it looked better than maybe
what it actually is.

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[BanKs] But that's a positive for you.

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[BanKs] I'll start with you because I think you kind of
know half of what I've been up to for the previous
time before the last episode.

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[BanKs] What have you been up to since our crazy episode
where we had to fill everything in?

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[BanKs] Oh, yeah, actually, let me just say this.

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[BanKs]  after we had such a blunder for the previous
episode we have now changed software we have brand
new software that we're trying for this episode
we're also recording on discord audio yeah we're
double checking so we never have to do that
hellish program thing again

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[Devilwalk]  Double, yeah.

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[Devilwalk] Double recording on voice.

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[Devilwalk] Dude, I... That was such hell.

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[Devilwalk] I think we started... What was it?

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[Devilwalk] We started gathering to record around like 16?

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[BanKs]  Yeah, yeah.

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[Devilwalk] Like it's around 4?

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  I think I went to bed at four in the night
because we had to, like, it's such a crazy ordeal
to listen to our guests' mics, write down what you
said and dub yourself in the middle of the night.

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[BanKs]  lip reading what i was saying as well as what you
were doing you were pretty good at that that was
that was impressive on its own but i will say like
that that made me so angry like that the software
would screw us like that something didn't work
when everything was fine on all the other
platforms so yeah

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  unlucky old program you have been removed we're
trying this new program and hopefully it's better
hopefully the quality is better throughout so what
have you been up to mate the last week or so it's
been a while isn't it when did we do last episode
let me check

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[Devilwalk]  yeah yeah so I mean to make a long story short
the local hockey team of my city Umeå it's called
Björklöven and it basically mean I think

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[BanKs]  White dotted trees, that's fine.

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[Devilwalk]  What's the white dotted trees in English?

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[Devilwalk] Either way, it's Björken in Swedish.

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[BanKs] I can take that.

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[Devilwalk]  Or black dotted white tree is probably more
accurate.

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[Devilwalk] But this local hockey team has been struggling.

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[BanKs]  Okay.

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[Devilwalk] When I was a kid, they used to be in the upper
tiers of Swedish hockey.

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[Devilwalk]  And for the past 25 years, they haven't been in
the upper tier.

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[BanKs] Yep.

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[Devilwalk] So I was a kid that was like 9, 10.

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[Devilwalk] The last time I saw them play the top tier of
hockey league in Sweden.

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[BanKs]  Yep.

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[Devilwalk]  And now they've been in the final of promotion,
you know, like a promotion final.

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[Devilwalk] They went to playoff, they won 4-0 because it's
best of seven in hockey.

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[BanKs] Yep.

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[Devilwalk] Quarterfinals, best of seven, semifinal, best of
seven, final is best of seven.

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[BanKs] Jeez.

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[BanKs]  Versus having the same day.

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[BanKs] Okay.

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[Devilwalk]  No, no, no.

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[Devilwalk] One day rest and then game.

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[Devilwalk] One day rest, game.

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[Devilwalk] One day rest, game.

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[BanKs] Wow.

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[BanKs] That's hardcore.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  So I've been watching every other day hockey,
essentially.

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[Devilwalk] My girlfriend's brother plays in our local hockey
team and has been a really, really good player for
the team throughout the season and in the playoff.

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[BanKs]  Decent So he's like a local hero Mm-hmm

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[Devilwalk]  So it's obviously, yeah, so it's been like a huge
deal for us as well for like going to games,
watching and supporting him.

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[Devilwalk] And they finally made it up to the first division,
winning the final four series games.

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[Devilwalk] They only lost one playoff game.

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[BanKs]  That's decent.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs] So they were miles above the rest of them.

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah, they were dominating.

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[Devilwalk] It was beautiful to watch.

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[Devilwalk] My girlfriend's brother scored in the final game.

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[Devilwalk] Two goals, one assist.

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[BanKs] Nice.

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[Devilwalk] So it was pretty hype.

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[Devilwalk]  So yeah, I've been watching hockey and later
today and tomorrow, because when they came home
from the final, they were like swarmed at the
airport, 4,000 people, they had to get police
escort, everything, because it's such a big deal
for the city.

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  So this weekend I'm going and celebrating with
him and yeah so we're actually on a time limit
here doing this episode so that I can join
celebrations.

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  we're on a time before people arrive yep well
that's perfectly fine that does sound like a very
good reason to celebrate that's awesome for me i'm
gonna start by doing this right i'm just gonna go
my life has been nothing but this for the past
week or so that obviously and baby trees and
everything else

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

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[BanKs]  Yeah, I went to LA for Dragon Ball Battle Hour.

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[BanKs] This was like a movie, bro.

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[BanKs] This was the most excited I've been since working
Counter-Strike events.

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[BanKs] I can't compare this.

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[BanKs] I've done Apex.

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[BanKs] I've done Dota.

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[BanKs] I've done PUBG.

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[BanKs] Nothing else was exciting.

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[BanKs] Counter-Strike has been the pinnacle for so long.

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[BanKs]  This was on the same level because like eight
year old me could never imagine that this was
going to be a real thing.

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[Devilwalk]  That's where I wanted to kind of come to.

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[Devilwalk] Like, how was it like almost being a fanboy
working the event itself?

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[BanKs]  yeah dude this was like being back when i was
still a fan of like you know heating and spawn
when i was doing some of those early 1.6 events so
when i say events i was just a journalist right
but like i then got to work with them at zowie and
stuff but i was like a mega fan like these are all
the players i looked up to and then suddenly
you're working with them yeah

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  i haven't felt that for a long time like i am a
fan of manasi i am a fan of zywoo and stuff yeah
but i feel like i'm old enough now where i'm not
trying to be them i'm not trying to be as good as
them at the game you know where it was different
in the old days i wanted to be like a spawn or a
heat and you know like play as good as them but
now it's like i just respect their game and i keep
it professional

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  where this was i'm invited so to explain what
battle hour is battle hour is basically dragon
ball games as a convention in america and also had
some of the anime releases i've made a video log
for my dragon ball channel i also have a dragon
ball youtube

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[Devilwalk]  Is there like a lot of people cosplaying at these
events?

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[Devilwalk] Because that's a huge thing in America, right?

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[BanKs]  a few people that's normally though saved for the
one where it's actually like the comic and anime
expo because this is more the gaming one it's less
of that like the gaming people are more want to
play

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  So obviously, you know, I played that game with
you, right?

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[BanKs] Gekishin Squadra, new Dragon Ball game.

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[BanKs] We had the biggest booth there.

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[BanKs] I was commentating it all weekend long.

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[BanKs] We had the most people, like the biggest queues
for the whole thing.

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[BanKs] Like there was nothing bigger at this place than
Gekishin.

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[BanKs] So obviously Bandai are pushing it hard, but also
I'm working it.

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[BanKs] And just, I'll tell you how crazy this was.

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[BanKs] Toshi...

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[BanKs]  Japanese producer.

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[BanKs] He's now the chief producer of the game.

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[Devilwalk]  like you say our like it's your team now

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[BanKs] He's a legend of like Bandai, been there for eight
years, worked on all the successful Dragon Ball
mobile games.

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[BanKs] He's now our chief producer.

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[BanKs] So on the Saturday, I didn't know this was
happening.

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[BanKs] They invite...

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[BanKs]  it would tell you this here this is wild right i
go out on i go out to the event and i'm thinking
i'm just going to commentate like whatever the
show matches what happens was on the main stage in
front of everyone in the arena they're like and
please welcome onto the stage chief producer toshi
massive roar blah blah blah

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

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[BanKs]  Then they introduced me as lead commentator
Banks.

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[BanKs] And it's just me and him on stage doing stuff with
fans, commentating a game, explaining it to people
and stuff like...

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[Devilwalk]  Okay.

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[BanKs]  It was such a surreal experience.

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[BanKs] Then people were coming up to me afterwards and
they were like, thank you so much for like putting
your time into this game.

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[BanKs] And I'm like, guys, I did not make the game.

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[BanKs] That's all Toshi.

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[BanKs] Like all I did, like I signed some things and then
I said to the people, I'm like,

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[BanKs]  i'm just commentate right and they're like yeah
but like you're you're involved in the dragon ball
community so like it was a different i didn't
expect anyone to want pictures or autographs like
what happens at cs events here at a dragon ball
event but the community is like they love the game
that much right they love dragon ball as an ip and
what it is

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[BanKs]  So yeah, for me, it was awesome.

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[BanKs] It was, it was difficult though, because like you
fly to America, you work the next day, you fly
back like two days later.

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[BanKs] So it's like a quick, it's not like a,

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[Devilwalk]  yeah it's pretty rough yep he's part of the
podcast now

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[BanKs]  yeah like it's rough on the jet lag then coming
back and being back on baby duties and stuff and i
don't know if you can hear leo in the background
but he is sleeping a lot less he's definitely part
of the podcast he's sleeping a little bit less at
the moment you know we're still growing for all
this stuff so i'm still very tired very tired

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[BanKs]  So let's go through all the things we got to talk
about within today's episode.

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[BanKs] So first thing we're going to do is an IEM Rio
review and looking at everything that happened
there.

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[BanKs] Some of it is no surprises at all.

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[BanKs] Others are some positive surprises.

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[BanKs] I saw a lot up until playoffs.

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[BanKs] So I had it on mostly the whole time until we got
to playoffs.

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[BanKs]  And then what happened when we got to playoffs
was more, there was Dragon Ball going on at the
same time.

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[Devilwalk]  I mean, I'll be honest.

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[Devilwalk] I'll be honest.

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[Devilwalk] I did not watch all of the Vitality games.

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[Devilwalk] I kind of just assumed that they would win all
their games.

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[BanKs] That's fine.

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[BanKs] If there's any games you want to skip, I'll accept
that you can skip their games.

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[BanKs] That's no problem at all.

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[Devilwalk]  So I watched mostly Spirit.

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[Devilwalk] I found them to be the most interesting team to
kind of delve into because last episode we spoke
about this like hypothetical.

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[BanKs]  Oh, yeah.

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[Devilwalk] Now that Halle is gone, will this actually make
people play better CS just because they don't,

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  I don't know what it is, if they're afraid of him
or respect him too much that they kind of tunnel
vision into his ideas and don't play
Counter-Strike as an individual themselves.

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[BanKs] Some people did.

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[BanKs]  It's not good though if you're afraid of your
coach, right?

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[Devilwalk] But it can be, it can be.

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[BanKs] But you don't want that, do you?

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[Devilwalk]  I mean, I don't want that, but I'm not from this
CIS or Eastern European region, so I don't know
what they want.

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[BanKs] You've been a coach?

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[BanKs] Yeah, yeah.

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[BanKs] Eastern Europe.

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[BanKs] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[Devilwalk] Maybe that's what they want.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  Perform or else.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  i mean it's like dust on i can't kick them yet
it's a bad bad situation but yeah more focused
spirit

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[BanKs] That's not what's happening.

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[BanKs] No.

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[BanKs] I wish we got some Hallie interviews like that.

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[BanKs] I know you mentioned that.

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[BanKs] I need to not take us off track too much anyway.

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[BanKs] So I understand what you've been watching.

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[BanKs] I understand what you saw with it all.

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[BanKs] I'm getting it.

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[BanKs]  yeah more focus for it okay so oh there's one
thing i want to do as well for everyone watching
by the way i just want to bring this little
graphic up it says um from subscribers there is
for people who watch our podcast first of all
thank you for everyone who does watch but

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[Devilwalk]  Don't be a 62%er.

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[BanKs]  don't be a 62 percenter i like the way you frame
that okay so let's go down from bottom to top as
we always do right i think some because of the
time restraint we don't need to go too much into
this like gentlemates was not a team we had that
would perform very well you know um they

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[Devilwalk]  I mean, they have some upset potential.

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[Devilwalk] They're very momentum-based, but the quality of
teams, it's rough.

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[BanKs]  They're good at getting a map.

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[BanKs] They're good at getting a map.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs] They won Inferno against G2.

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[BanKs] They won Ancient against Redken.

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[BanKs] Honestly, though, I will say...

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[BanKs]  We'll go on to Red Canids later, but it is bad
for gentlemen who are fighting tough European
opposition.

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[BanKs] And we saw them back at the Star Ladder event last
year, Star Series one, right?

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[Devilwalk]  They were impressive.

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[Devilwalk] Yeah.

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[BanKs] Where they started to look like a team that could
be capable.

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[BanKs] Losing to Red Canids where you should be a level
above them.

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[BanKs]  doesn't show me that you're on the right track
like you're improving enough you know yep

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[Devilwalk]  oh probably not i mean uh it's tough because i
don't even know the level of red canids if i'm
completely honest they're kind of to me like a
little bit of a bunch of rejects joined together
um

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[Devilwalk]  But I mean that in not a super negative way,
because like I remember we were called a bunch of
rejects when we had no chance.

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[BanKs]  Okay, good.

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[Devilwalk] And to some degree and some extent, it's the
truth.

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[Devilwalk]  They've been in bigger teams.

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[BanKs] Oh, yeah.

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[Devilwalk] They've been in positions where they've been
dropped and changed to improve the main lineup.

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[Devilwalk] And now they've joined together to kind of prove
people wrong.

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[BanKs]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk] So that's kind of how I view them.

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[Devilwalk]  gentlemen I don't know I don't expect much in
this kind of tournament it's too hard a position
the group phase is difficult because there's only
three spots and there's like four pretty great
teams in every group yeah

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[BanKs]  It was a stacked event.

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[BanKs] It was definitely a stacked event.

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[BanKs] If you're one of these bottom teams, your chance
is very low.

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[BanKs] That can bring us quite nicely onto Liquid.

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[BanKs]  Now, how harsh do we get on Liquid considering
Malbs has been there just over a month now?

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[BanKs] Like, I'm not going to fault them losing to
Spirit, but I'm not going to be positive about the
fact they pushed Spirit on Dust2 because we've
seen Spirit in recent times have some problems on
Dust2.

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[BanKs]  i remember this is a spirit without hallie but
then you lose the 3d max after you lose the
overtime map yeah then you lose your pick 13-5
that shows to me that like there was no reset
there was no rebound there was no confidence in
each other and how you want to play

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[Devilwalk]  I mean...

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[Devilwalk]  i feel like because of obviously the whole major
situation and everything and and them swapping
i've kind of toned down on my defense give liquid
time right now uh i felt like we've given them
that excuse for quite a long time and it's time to
start performing

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[BanKs]  Okay Yeah Mm-hmm

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[Devilwalk]  It's not good enough, you know?

229
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[Devilwalk] How long has Shuei and this roster actually been
together?

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[Devilwalk] He's been there a year now.

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[Devilwalk] A year.

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[Devilwalk] A literal year.

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[Devilwalk]  Yes, Elisha six months ago, but there's still
plenty of time to make sure like one lineup change
to Malbz is not, you know, changing everything
about this team.

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[BanKs]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  It's not good enough to start giving them
excuses.

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[Devilwalk] I think they need to perform better.

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[Devilwalk] They need to be in a situation where they actually
start picking up maps and not being close to
picking up maps.

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[Devilwalk]  Obviously, they had a pretty decent Dust 2
against Spirit, against 3D Max, a pretty decent
Nuke, an overtime loss, but that's not good
enough.

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[BanKs]  but i don't like that they lose i don't like it
when they lose in overtime right and then if i was
to put the players pound for pounds yeah
considering 3d max also don't have the strongest
in-game leader

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[BanKs]  You would still, if you put the player names up
front and the quality of players, you would put
Liquid over 3D Max.

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[BanKs] But we know by looking at what 3D Max have done in
recent times, recent events, they're still a
better team.

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[BanKs]  But I just expected more and I expected you not
to get dominated on your map pick afterwards.

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[BanKs] Like you were not in the fight, not in the games.

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[BanKs] Considering you were fighting for tournament life
as well.

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[BanKs] That's my problem with Liquid.

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah, I mean, I don't rate them at all.

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[Devilwalk] I'm just going to say that.

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[BanKs] Mm-hmm.

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[Devilwalk] I do not rate them.

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[BanKs]  And I don't think you recover for the major
either.

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[BanKs] You don't have events you're going to be
attending.

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[Devilwalk] No chance.

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[BanKs] I don't know what's next for Liquid, but they're
not going to be at Rivals.

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[Devilwalk]  They changed regions and they almost didn't make
the major anyways.

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[BanKs]  Yeah, it's going to be tough.

256
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[BanKs] It's going to be very tough.

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[BanKs] Passing UA.

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[BanKs] I don't really want to talk about them because
they didn't play with Senzu.

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[BanKs] I don't even look into it, but I'm not sure why
Senzu didn't come.

260
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[BanKs] Maybe he couldn't get a visa for Rio.

261
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[BanKs] Do Mongolians need visas?

262
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[BanKs] I'm not sure.

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[BanKs] Fang played for them.

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[BanKs] They lost 2-0 to Furia and Bate, but like...

265
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[BanKs]  Fang's been out of the top leagues for a long
time.

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[BanKs] So yeah, you weren't going to stand a chance
anyway, right?

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah, but he performed pretty well.

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[Devilwalk] If you look at the bait game, he was the top rated
player.

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[Devilwalk] And obviously the worst rated against Furia.

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[Devilwalk] But still, that's...

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[Devilwalk]  it's pretty good to be at least top rated in one
one of the series if you're standing like short
amount of time you're not up to speed to
everything so no but passions is a lineup that i i
kind of categorized as after the major

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[BanKs]  yeah but he's not sensing yeah mm-hmm yep

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[Devilwalk]  It's a lineup that I will probably start to judge
and think more about because right now they just
need reps.

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[Devilwalk] And that's what they're doing.

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[Devilwalk] They're getting reps.

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[Devilwalk] They're still playing some close maps and they
have some stints of where you see the potential of
everything.

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[BanKs]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  But it's going to take time.

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[Devilwalk] There's so many different types of nationalities
and things that need to click and kind of blend in
together.

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[Devilwalk] So it's probably going to take more time than a
normal lineup.

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[BanKs]  Then we're going to come on to Legacy because we
were so happy with Legacy when we looked at
getting to the playoffs of EPL, art coming into
their art, suiting the players in style and what
we see from them.

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[BanKs] But we were already a bit slightly nervous about
what happened at PGL Bucharest, yeah?

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[BanKs]  because like you only be in a circle and energy
then i did i think we both favored him right in
our predictions we both said that they would beat
mouse because mouths were looking like in a bad
spot obviously there's mouse news we'll come into
later on but

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[Devilwalk]  Yep.

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[BanKs]  then they took a map from mouse that's fine
remember legacy are always good to take a map but
then you lose the hotu

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[BanKs]  potu who we now know is going through changes as
well like this this this is what i do start to get
nervous that this legacy could fall into the trap
of being just a regionally good team that can
sometimes be an upset

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

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[BanKs]  like my hype has died from them already with art
and maybe things can get better for the major
because they're going to be in a good spot anyway
but i mean this was this looked like it could have
been a mix where i go oh oh this is going to be
fun this is going to be what these players need
art style but did we jump the gun

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[Devilwalk]  Maybe a little bit, but I also think they're kind
of in the position where they probably should be.

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[Devilwalk] They're an exciting team.

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[Devilwalk] They have potential, but Hotter is also a team
that's probably...

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[BanKs]  Mm hmm.

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[Devilwalk]  in terms of like clash of styles is probably fire
against fire in some way where anything can happen
they're just going a little bit all out on each
other and it's it's a lot of like situational
awareness that's gonna win you the game

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[Devilwalk]  from both teams and they're pro none of them are
going to play like very standard Counter-Strike so

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[BanKs] Mm hmm.

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[BanKs]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  I expect Legacy to just have shit tournaments.

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[Devilwalk] That's the thing.

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[Devilwalk] Their style... They're just going to have that.

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[BanKs] It's costly.

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[Devilwalk] I don't know what else to say.

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[Devilwalk] I'm not surprised they went out last.

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[Devilwalk] They could have easily won the group.

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[Devilwalk]  miraculously, you know, I wouldn't be surprised
if they did that either.

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[BanKs] Hmm.

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[Devilwalk] They're just that kind of team.

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[BanKs]  It's either all or nothing.

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[Devilwalk]  yes but the one thing is they they obviously did
some changes after this i think um but art has
only had two months with this lineup um

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[BanKs] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[BanKs] Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  Officially.

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[Devilwalk] So I think it's fair to give them a little bit
more time before we judge them too harshly.

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[Devilwalk] It's not a great look.

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[BanKs]  Yep.

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[BanKs]  Yeah, I'd say that like, I want to see some flair
coming from them at future events.

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[BanKs] That's what I need.

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[BanKs] I need to see a bit more of that pushback because
I at least thought this could be a team that could
go 9th to 12th and obviously didn't work out for
them.

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[BanKs] I just thought they would be able to be hot with
all teams, you know, like that's a good matchup
for them on paper.

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

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[BanKs]  Next, 3D Max, they go 9th, 12th, which I think is
just where they're at when you look at how strong,
like I don't expect them to be top eight,
depending on what player, what team draw they get.

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[BanKs] I don't expect them to be going playoffs.

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[BanKs]  I feel like this is fair.

324
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[BanKs] You can't beat Falcons, yeah?

325
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[BanKs] You do beat Liquid, and you can't beat G2.

326
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[BanKs] G2's on that team that will keep being in a
similar situation to them, but winning or pushing
them back down.

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[BanKs] And what?

328
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[BanKs] It was 13-6, 13-1.

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[BanKs]  By the way, during all of this, Tac was playing
for G2, right?

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[BanKs] Standing in for Hunter.

331
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[BanKs] Hunter had a problem with his leg.

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[BanKs] And Sompias was, as far as I understand, Sompias
was calling.

333
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[BanKs] And Sompias had a great tournament.

334
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[BanKs] So we'll come into G2 bits later.

335
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[BanKs] But I mean, 3D Max, this was like...

336
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[BanKs]  They're not going to be happy.

337
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[BanKs] They're competitors.

338
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[BanKs] But this is about where you're at right now.

339
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[BanKs] This for me is like an acceptable level for 3D
Max.

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah, but the one thing 3D Max probably is
disappointed with is obviously this is a great
chance to actually do some damage against G2 who
has a little bit of disorientation with their
lineup with Hunter being gone.

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[BanKs]  You're going back in time.

342
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[Devilwalk]  They should be in the same kind of playing field
and losing 16 or 13-1.

343
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[Devilwalk] This is like old man CS brain is coming alive.

344
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[BanKs] Mm-hmm.

345
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[Devilwalk]  But losing 13-1 and 13-6 is not a great look.

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[Devilwalk] It's also like Dust2 used to be a good map for 3D
Max.

347
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[Devilwalk] Obviously picking Inferno and not really doing
much.

348
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[Devilwalk] 13-6 is a bit disappointing and

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[BanKs]  Yeah.

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[Devilwalk]  Yeah, I think that's where it stings.

351
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[Devilwalk] Because I think Liquid they should beat.

352
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[Devilwalk] You know, Spirit they should lose against.

353
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[Devilwalk] But G2...

354
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[Devilwalk]  think that's where they have to be like it has to
be a three mapper it has to be competitive for
them to kind of progress and and look at this and
be happy with the performance i think still they
went out in the place they should but yeah

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[BanKs] Withstanding.

356
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[BanKs] Yeah.

357
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[BanKs]  I will say, yeah, yeah.

358
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[BanKs] But just they had that opportunity that they
weren't capitalizing on with Hunter not being
there, you know, without facing the full team.

359
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[BanKs] Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it.

360
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[BanKs]  On the opposite side of things, Red Canids,
because they beat Gentlemates, right?

361
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[BanKs] They lost to Vitality.

362
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[BanKs] They beat Gentlemates 2-1.

363
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[BanKs] We covered that already.

364
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[BanKs] And then they lose to Spirit 2-1.

365
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[BanKs] Taking a map from Spirit is like fair play.

366
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[BanKs] Well, I'll just say I expected nothing but being
in last place for Red Canids.

367
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[BanKs]  So this is something.

368
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[BanKs] Did Red Canids bore you, mate?

369
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[BanKs] That's just the way you were yawning when we were
talking about Red Canids.

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[Devilwalk]  I mean, it's a good result for Red Canids.

371
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[Devilwalk] I don't know.

372
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[BanKs] Like, he's just given up on this.

373
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[Devilwalk] It comes randomly.

374
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[Devilwalk] I haven't had my 20 coffees yet.

375
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[BanKs]  It's still early in the day.

376
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[BanKs] You're gearing up for later.

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[Devilwalk] No, but...

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[Devilwalk]  It's good.

379
00:23:22,001 --> 00:23:24,989
[Devilwalk] And I mean, this was a well-playing spirit, this
tournament.

380
00:23:26,211 --> 00:23:31,082
[Devilwalk] So there's absolutely nothing bad about their
performance.

381
00:23:31,123 --> 00:23:33,627
[Devilwalk] I don't think anyone expected them to go to the
playoff.

382
00:23:33,728 --> 00:23:36,775
[Devilwalk] I don't think anyone expected them to be in the
lower final.

383
00:23:36,755 --> 00:23:48,132
[Devilwalk]  so just the fact that they have a chance of
getting there against a great playing spirit this
tournament fair play

384
00:23:42,796 --> 00:23:43,189
[BanKs]  Yeah.

385
00:23:49,259 --> 00:24:02,998
[BanKs]  yep and in a similar way for hotu obviously they
have made changes now the team they've only got
three players left on the lineup but um they lose
to aurora they lose to navi but they do beat
legacy the one we already touched on um

386
00:24:02,978 --> 00:24:04,560
[BanKs]  The Na'Vi game, right?

387
00:24:05,142 --> 00:24:05,784
[BanKs] I watched it.

388
00:24:05,189 --> 00:24:05,449
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

389
00:24:06,124 --> 00:24:13,559
[BanKs] People might look at the score and think, oh,
there was maybe some sort of a chance for R2, but
it was one of those games where Na'Vi was in
control.

390
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:16,244
[BanKs] Like they were not letting off on that.

391
00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:16,948
[Devilwalk]  I mean, you can see it just on the scores.

392
00:24:16,968 --> 00:24:19,296
[Devilwalk] 8-4 first half on Dust2.

393
00:24:19,317 --> 00:24:22,709
[Devilwalk] A 9-3 half on Ancient.

394
00:24:22,317 --> 00:24:40,815
[BanKs]  yeah yeah exactly and i will just say for horu is
i liked what they were building since we saw them
back ages ago a couple of epl seasons obviously
they're not at the major they're not got many
opportunities anyway

395
00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:26,943
[Devilwalk] It was just the eventuality of closing it out, I
presume.

396
00:24:40,795 --> 00:24:52,450
[BanKs]  But the fact they're using this time to overhaul
their roster even afterwards, their goal is to be
good in CIS lands and qualifiers and maybe come to
some European qualifiers or something like that.

397
00:24:52,871 --> 00:24:53,991
[BanKs] That's the focus for this team.

398
00:24:54,472 --> 00:24:59,799
[BanKs] Doing well at a Rio is way beyond what they're
capable of or what can be in their mind right now.

399
00:24:59,779 --> 00:25:04,409
[BanKs]  So this is just like, I don't know, I don't even
know what prize money they get for this.

400
00:25:04,429 --> 00:25:08,317
[BanKs] So it's like 5K for the players, 15K for the club
share.

401
00:25:08,396 --> 00:25:11,123
[BanKs] It's like, you just take that, right?

402
00:25:11,163 --> 00:25:13,688
[BanKs] Not a bad day for them.

403
00:25:14,173 --> 00:25:14,751
[Devilwalk]  Why not?

404
00:25:15,321 --> 00:25:19,141
[BanKs]  Yeah, not a super interesting team to talk about
either just considering they're making those
changes.

405
00:25:19,924 --> 00:25:20,548
[BanKs] But Norbert's there.

406
00:25:20,568 --> 00:25:21,251
[BanKs] We do love Norbert.

407
00:25:21,271 --> 00:25:22,799
[BanKs] Norbert will always get some love.

408
00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:24,805
[BanKs]  Next one will be Bait.

409
00:25:25,487 --> 00:25:31,101
[BanKs] Now, Bait did make things exciting early on
because they got dominated 13-1.

410
00:25:31,662 --> 00:25:36,493
[BanKs] And I literally, I went and said to my wife, oh,
Na'Vi are absolutely like in epic A form.

411
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,335
[Devilwalk]  It was 13-0.

412
00:25:36,994 --> 00:25:39,320
[BanKs] Yeah, 13-0, 13-0.

413
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,586
[BanKs]  And then they lost Inferno basically in the same
way.

414
00:25:42,606 --> 00:25:45,352
[BanKs] Not 13-0, but I mean, they didn't stand a chance.

415
00:25:45,372 --> 00:25:48,958
[BanKs] Poor Ima was getting dominated on every corner,
every fight he went.

416
00:25:49,218 --> 00:25:50,961
[BanKs] Like NPL had him every time.

417
00:25:51,461 --> 00:25:54,086
[BanKs] He spoke about it on the interview as well.

418
00:25:54,067 --> 00:26:04,531
[BanKs]  um and then on dust 2 navi 1 13 5 it was one
hella weird series it was just like basically
stomp after stomp after stomp um

419
00:26:04,511 --> 00:26:06,316
[BanKs]  This keeps happening with Na'Vi, by the way.

420
00:26:06,415 --> 00:26:08,682
[BanKs] Na'Vi games, if we look, we'll come to them later.

421
00:26:08,701 --> 00:26:18,565
[BanKs] But I mean, Na'Vi have been many times in this
situation where like they can win their opponent's
map pick and then they completely fumble
everything else afterwards and then fight their
way back into a game.

422
00:26:18,684 --> 00:26:22,875
[BanKs] So it's, you know, it's a little bit...

423
00:26:23,142 --> 00:26:25,247
[BanKs]  Not number two team in the world style.

424
00:26:25,307 --> 00:26:25,807
[BanKs] I'll say that.

425
00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:35,977
[Devilwalk]  No, uh, I don't think so either, but same time,
you know, there are positives with Navi still.

426
00:26:36,057 --> 00:26:37,101
[Devilwalk] They are looking.

427
00:26:37,714 --> 00:26:38,978
[BanKs] We're on bait, not Navido.

428
00:26:39,137 --> 00:26:39,940
[BanKs] I derailed that.

429
00:26:39,207 --> 00:26:59,223
[Devilwalk]  okay bait oh yeah all right bait bait let's talk
bait i mean for bait bait is good uh sissy started
to get more reps in starting to look a little bit
more comfortable even against navi but you look at
the passions games he was the best rated player um

430
00:26:40,781 --> 00:26:40,981
[BanKs] Yeah.

431
00:26:57,634 --> 00:27:14,968
[BanKs]  Yeah.

432
00:26:59,203 --> 00:27:04,759
[Devilwalk]  And he's starting to find a little bit of a...

433
00:27:06,663 --> 00:27:19,557
[Devilwalk]  how to say it like you know like he's max maxing
out his lowest lows if that makes sense like he's
not having terrible terrible performances still
bringing impact even when he's playing bad

434
00:27:17,242 --> 00:27:17,703
[BanKs]  Yeah.

435
00:27:19,538 --> 00:27:35,893
[Devilwalk]  and I think that's a good sign for bait and bait
are getting stronger they're kind of stopping this
free fall in rankings and starting to make
something out of this so yeah

436
00:27:36,363 --> 00:27:45,157
[Devilwalk]  It's not a great tournament from them, but it's
acceptable under the circumstances of what they've
produced previously.

437
00:27:45,728 --> 00:28:03,990
[BanKs]  and just how stacked the tournament is as well
like the thing is i'm glad you touched on sissy
because for me obviously he only has after all of
this 71 maps on hltv and like all of his beginning
games if you look at it he can do well against
heroic but he can have an okay map against someone

438
00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:23,396
[BanKs]  but when they play top teams he would struggle he
would be punished for making the same mistakes he
would have complete low points where whatever he
wanted to do wasn't working and i truly believe
because like he dominates the low tier teams right
who don't punish these same mistakes who don't
have the great utility who don't have a default
that will punish him when he's

439
00:28:17,133 --> 00:28:17,393
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

440
00:28:23,376 --> 00:28:37,031
[BanKs]  going in for maybe a couple of aggressive peaks
in there but he does have what we spoke about in
the raw mechanics and the ability to feel out a
game but he still needs to learn when to hold back
a bit so

441
00:28:37,011 --> 00:28:56,994
[BanKs]  he's he's where he needs to be but it's about how
quickly he can learn and to me it's not maybe as
fast as probably what bait won but it's still
showing enough that he'll stay on the roster for
the next season for the next like i can't see them
changing him out i think like this is this is
something where the potential is there and it's
just about helping him more to unlock it

442
00:28:56,974 --> 00:28:58,934
[BanKs]  I think that's what's going to be key with him.

443
00:29:00,028 --> 00:29:03,397
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, I mean, patience is key for this bait
lineup.

444
00:29:03,518 --> 00:29:05,542
[Devilwalk] It was even last year.

445
00:29:05,563 --> 00:29:11,980
[Devilwalk] You know, they had really, really bad, like...

446
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:19,536
[Devilwalk]  I mean, even before like Starladder, in
Starladder, when we did that, it didn't really
look great.

447
00:29:17,798 --> 00:29:28,010
[BanKs]  Yep.

448
00:29:19,556 --> 00:29:24,846
[Devilwalk] But when they started to grind some games and get
some reps in, they always progressively got
better.

449
00:29:24,866 --> 00:29:27,112
[Devilwalk] So I think that's just a groove they need to get
into.

450
00:29:27,792 --> 00:29:30,558
[Devilwalk] And Cecil kind of joined along in that.

451
00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:33,097
[BanKs]  Definitely, definitely.

452
00:29:34,728 --> 00:29:35,934
[BanKs] Coming on to G2 next.

453
00:29:36,416 --> 00:29:39,334
[BanKs] Now, the thing I want to start with here for G2

454
00:29:38,403 --> 00:29:40,613
[Devilwalk]  Is there an airplane?

455
00:29:40,833 --> 00:30:00,596
[BanKs]  it's literally just going above right where i
live you can hear that clearly um so with g2 they
have to come into this event without hunter yeah
tax playing from the academy team getting an
opportunity which is a huge opportunity i just
need to look down his stats let me just see what
he actually delivered

456
00:29:44,088 --> 00:29:44,530
[Devilwalk] Okay.

457
00:29:45,856 --> 00:29:46,539
[Devilwalk] I can hear that.

458
00:30:00,576 --> 00:30:07,130
[BanKs]  So he was 0.88 rating, which isn't bad
considering it's your first time playing against
tier one opposition, you know?

459
00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:09,955
[BanKs] And like, look at the games that G2 had.

460
00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:12,760
[BanKs] They played Gentlemates, Vitality, 3D Max, Spirit.

461
00:30:13,502 --> 00:30:17,049
[BanKs] Other than Gentlemates, all those other teams have
the experience playing top level.

462
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:18,653
[BanKs] So...

463
00:30:18,633 --> 00:30:25,487
[BanKs]  What really impressed me here was I thought this
was going to be a real hard one to pull off
because like who would take over IGL?

464
00:30:26,008 --> 00:30:31,038
[BanKs] Well, they bring some pious in to be IGL and he
had some of his best games for G2.

465
00:30:31,828 --> 00:30:49,939
[BanKs]  like he ended the event with a 1.09 rating and
i'll just say saw is now like we we heard this
from g2's owner yeah alban that they believe now
in that the coach makes the decision the coach
attracts the players the coach like they want to
go the blade navi route with how they build their
g2 yeah

466
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:41,821
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

467
00:30:49,919 --> 00:31:04,619
[BanKs]  it's not about players having choices now there's
nothing wrong with hunter but some players was not
this unlocked underneath that calling underneath
that way of playing whatever was working they now
need to see if hunter can replicate that or they
find some middle ground here

468
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,994
[BanKs]  Otherwise, you could be looking at a change where
we have an AWP IGL Sun Pius.

469
00:31:09,015 --> 00:31:12,768
[BanKs] I'm just going to put it out there because Saw has
that relationship with Nertz, with Sun Pius.

470
00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:14,374
[BanKs] He knows what he can get out of him, right?

471
00:31:15,433 --> 00:31:17,397
[Devilwalk]  But it's... I don't know, man.

472
00:31:17,878 --> 00:31:25,353
[Devilwalk] It's not a great... I'm not even talking about
that.

473
00:31:18,656 --> 00:31:21,681
[BanKs]  No, I'm not saying kick Hunter, by the way.

474
00:31:21,821 --> 00:31:25,707
[BanKs] I'm just saying, but like, if you need to make
tough choices.

475
00:31:26,034 --> 00:31:32,968
[Devilwalk] I'm talking about having an AWPer as IGL is not a
long-term great decision.

476
00:31:33,067 --> 00:31:34,269
[Devilwalk] And I'll explain why.

477
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,521
[BanKs] It's not better anymore.

478
00:31:35,541 --> 00:31:36,462
[BanKs] Yeah, it's not old days.

479
00:31:36,747 --> 00:31:51,855
[Devilwalk]  It's generally bad because the AWPer will... Like
if you're an IGL, you will generally drop in
performance, not instantly when you take up the
mantle, but over time because you change the way
that you think.

480
00:31:49,201 --> 00:31:54,291
[BanKs]  Yeah.

481
00:31:52,036 --> 00:31:56,223
[Devilwalk] You think more of a group basis and team basis.

482
00:31:56,203 --> 00:32:00,319
[Devilwalk]  That you'll stop individually thinking what you
need to do all the time.

483
00:32:00,540 --> 00:32:02,327
[Devilwalk] Because you don't have the space to do that.

484
00:32:01,147 --> 00:32:01,387
[BanKs] Yeah.

485
00:32:03,973 --> 00:32:06,805
[Devilwalk] So for long term...

486
00:32:06,785 --> 00:32:19,269
[Devilwalk]  If we're talking about a Sampaio that's already
been struggling with G2, I don't think,
personally, it's a great idea to put him in that
kind of place long term.

487
00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:25,299
[Devilwalk] I think that will just worsen his performance over
time and eventually, you know,

488
00:32:20,048 --> 00:32:20,459
[BanKs]  Yeah.

489
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:32,251
[Devilwalk]  It'll put him in a position where he shot himself
in the foot because they're going to replace him
because he's not performing well enough on the
AWP.

490
00:32:33,261 --> 00:32:35,686
[BanKs]  But did you see their game against Vitality?

491
00:32:35,907 --> 00:32:36,789
[BanKs] They had Vitality.

492
00:32:36,809 --> 00:32:39,134
[BanKs] They should have won 2-0 against Vitality.

493
00:32:39,736 --> 00:32:41,179
[BanKs] This was a one game.

494
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,027
[BanKs] They were up 12-10

495
00:32:45,007 --> 00:32:58,476
[BanKs]  vitality had terrible buys obviously vitality can
pull off some craziness as always right we're
talking about the very best team of all time in
counter-strike but everyone watching that game
would tell you g2 won like g2 had it

496
00:32:58,455 --> 00:33:06,221
[BanKs]  and they they they messed it up and then even i
think it was on the on the firm dust too they also
had opportunities to the very end

497
00:33:06,032 --> 00:33:06,292
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

498
00:33:07,146 --> 00:33:13,443
[BanKs]  So, like, they were up 11-9 and then Vitality
just close it out and win it 13-11, you know?

499
00:33:14,006 --> 00:33:18,778
[BanKs] Like, yes, that's the power of what Vitality can
do, but they were doing this without Hunter.

500
00:33:18,798 --> 00:33:21,425
[BanKs] They were doing this with some pious calling and
a...

501
00:33:21,405 --> 00:33:23,289
[BanKs]  Young standing.

502
00:33:23,309 --> 00:33:24,412
[BanKs] I don't even know how old this guy is.

503
00:33:25,272 --> 00:33:26,655
[BanKs] How old is this young man?

504
00:33:26,675 --> 00:33:30,323
[BanKs] 21.

505
00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:28,921
[Devilwalk]  Attack.

506
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:32,970
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

507
00:33:33,388 --> 00:33:36,894
[BanKs] So I'm just saying that was impressive.

508
00:33:36,538 --> 00:33:43,313
[Devilwalk] Of course, there's some potential, but I'm not for
it long term.

509
00:33:39,901 --> 00:33:40,561
[BanKs] You're against it.

510
00:33:43,984 --> 00:33:44,385
[BanKs]  Okay.

511
00:33:45,808 --> 00:33:47,112
[BanKs] Yours is the voice of reason.

512
00:33:47,152 --> 00:33:51,201
[BanKs] Mine is the voice of craziness for that one.

513
00:33:52,183 --> 00:33:53,567
[BanKs] Aurora, next.

514
00:33:54,469 --> 00:33:55,270
[BanKs] Take down Hotu.

515
00:33:55,832 --> 00:33:56,673
[BanKs] Lose to Maus.

516
00:33:57,375 --> 00:33:58,939
[BanKs] The Maus one, by the way,

517
00:33:59,442 --> 00:34:00,443
[BanKs]  It was a bit ridiculous.

518
00:34:00,944 --> 00:34:02,426
[BanKs] I don't care that it was a group stage.

519
00:34:03,048 --> 00:34:09,780
[BanKs] I felt like this matchup, especially the form that
Malz was showing, Aurora would have had a better
chance to shine.

520
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:17,974
[BanKs] I'm guessing Brolan probably knew already that he
was getting the boot and this changes was coming
in because he farmed.

521
00:34:17,954 --> 00:34:34,393
[BanKs]  he that whole game like he was a star player man
he showed him that like yay you're gonna miss this
you're gonna miss this and then aurora beat bay
and then they go up against navi they've they've
had tough times against navi like navi's had their
number again and again and again

522
00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:43,574
[BanKs]  Like, this year alone, Na'Vi won at Cluj, and
then Na'Vi won at EPL, then Na'Vi won at
Rotterdam.

523
00:34:43,634 --> 00:34:54,137
[BanKs] Like, Aurora at the moment, they can't beat
head-to-head, pound-to-pound, Na'Vi.

524
00:34:48,615 --> 00:34:50,021
[Devilwalk]  It's interesting.

525
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,090
[Devilwalk] You know what's interesting about the Na'Vi-Aurora
matchup?

526
00:34:53,853 --> 00:35:00,094
[Devilwalk] It's one of the few teams Aurora will go up
against and they will not pick Anubis anymore.

527
00:35:00,074 --> 00:35:06,836
[Devilwalk]  If you look at the actual veto, Na'Vi, it was the
sixth round on the veto.

528
00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:13,463
[BanKs]  And it's crazy.

529
00:35:07,157 --> 00:35:11,974
[Devilwalk] Na'Vi removed Anubis to make Dust2 the decider.

530
00:35:11,954 --> 00:35:22,572
[Devilwalk]  So, Aurora picked Inferno, obviously to punish
Makasa, as we'll always mention at least once.

531
00:35:13,483 --> 00:35:15,365
[BanKs] Yep.

532
00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:26,492
[BanKs]  And McCarthy actually played well on that map
this time around.

533
00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:27,193
[BanKs] Just saying.

534
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,226
[Devilwalk] But he's getting a lot better on Inferno.

535
00:35:27,273 --> 00:35:28,297
[BanKs] Obviously, it's a 13-4 win.

536
00:35:28,317 --> 00:35:30,300
[BanKs] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

537
00:35:29,686 --> 00:35:31,650
[Devilwalk] I've seen it.

538
00:35:32,425 --> 00:35:33,148
[BanKs] Mate, Blade's happy.

539
00:35:33,168 --> 00:35:36,094
[BanKs] Blade's like, look, my little time capsule's
working again, boys.

540
00:35:36,695 --> 00:35:37,197
[BanKs] I told you.

541
00:35:37,217 --> 00:35:38,721
[BanKs] Everyone who...

542
00:35:37,789 --> 00:35:43,108
[Devilwalk]  But it's interesting that Aurora doesn't have the
balls to pick Anubis against Na'Vi.

543
00:35:43,594 --> 00:35:44,398
[BanKs]  Yeah, but you know why?

544
00:35:44,438 --> 00:35:47,851
[BanKs] Because against nearly every other team, Aurora
can dominate.

545
00:35:48,534 --> 00:35:54,077
[BanKs] They've lost it two times and they won it one
time, 13-11, but Na'Vi should have had it on that
time.

546
00:35:54,833 --> 00:35:55,434
[BanKs]  Which one was it?

547
00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:56,096
[BanKs] Which one was it?

548
00:35:56,155 --> 00:35:58,262
[BanKs] That was the EPL finals, right?

549
00:35:58,742 --> 00:36:00,327
[BanKs] Aurora should have lost 3-0.

550
00:36:00,728 --> 00:36:02,632
[BanKs] They just about got Anubis.

551
00:36:02,021 --> 00:36:02,313
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

552
00:36:02,652 --> 00:36:05,079
[BanKs] Like it was a must win for them anyway, but they
just about got it.

553
00:36:05,099 --> 00:36:09,047
[BanKs] So they're probably confidence playing Na'Vi is
like, we can't deal with these guys.

554
00:36:09,268 --> 00:36:11,695
[BanKs] We just, we can't play our game against them.

555
00:36:12,063 --> 00:36:18,860
[Devilwalk]  It is interesting because they picked Anubis in
the last three best of threes, Aurora.

556
00:36:18,543 --> 00:36:26,746
[BanKs]  And just about, just about.

557
00:36:19,601 --> 00:36:23,371
[Devilwalk] They won it once, as you mentioned.

558
00:36:25,056 --> 00:36:28,362
[Devilwalk]  But this tournament, they decided to switch it up
to Inferno.

559
00:36:29,143 --> 00:36:32,668
[Devilwalk] Probably to kind of, I don't know, surprise Na'Vi
and Devito.

560
00:36:32,809 --> 00:36:34,652
[Devilwalk] But I'm not sure they were that surprised.

561
00:36:35,384 --> 00:36:37,311
[BanKs]  And Na'Vi also did get dominated by bait.

562
00:36:37,331 --> 00:36:41,644
[BanKs] So I'm guessing in their mind, they thought maybe
Na'Vi haven't put too much time into their
Inferno.

563
00:36:41,666 --> 00:36:43,532
[BanKs] Maybe it could be a weak spot for them, you know?

564
00:36:43,572 --> 00:36:45,900
[BanKs] Maybe that's what Madra and Fabo were cooking.

565
00:36:43,987 --> 00:36:44,246
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

566
00:36:47,163 --> 00:36:48,541
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

567
00:36:47,315 --> 00:36:48,056
[BanKs]  But they didn't cook.

568
00:36:48,416 --> 00:36:49,480
[BanKs] They got cooked instead.

569
00:36:48,561 --> 00:36:49,494
[Devilwalk] They didn't cook.

570
00:36:50,181 --> 00:36:51,364
[BanKs] They got cooked instead.

571
00:36:52,284 --> 00:36:54,208
[BanKs] So then that brings us to our playoffs.

572
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:58,559
[BanKs] The playoffs was Falcons and Fury going through
the semis.

573
00:36:58,878 --> 00:37:01,684
[BanKs] Vitality didn't go through the semis on this, by
the way.

574
00:37:01,965 --> 00:37:03,989
[BanKs] So they had to grind up even further with games.

575
00:37:03,969 --> 00:37:08,081
[BanKs]  And then we got Spirit, Maus, Vitality, Na'Vi.

576
00:37:09,083 --> 00:37:10,708
[BanKs] So this was a good playoff bracket.

577
00:37:10,867 --> 00:37:12,572
[BanKs] This was a crazy good playoff bracket.

578
00:37:13,757 --> 00:37:14,050
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

579
00:37:14,737 --> 00:37:17,304
[BanKs] So the first team we'll touch on is Maus.

580
00:37:17,807 --> 00:37:25,032
[BanKs]  mouse ended up losing in the playoffs to spirit
mouse's run was pretty good though like 2-1 legacy
2-0 um aurora

581
00:37:25,974 --> 00:37:33,148
[BanKs]  The way they lost to Furia doesn't surprise me
considering this was Furia putting a lot of
importance.

582
00:37:33,168 --> 00:37:37,516
[BanKs] They also knew Fulham was retiring as well, which
we'll come on to later in the news, right?

583
00:37:37,978 --> 00:37:39,039
[BanKs] So...

584
00:37:39,019 --> 00:37:49,231
[BanKs]  there was a lot of weight in furia more than any
of us could have predicted because obviously we
already knew it was rio so it was like it had to
be a big one for him right um but

585
00:37:46,867 --> 00:37:47,110
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

586
00:37:49,211 --> 00:38:05,532
[BanKs]  this was where i go back and look at the
inconsistencies of zersion or torzi like there was
no answer for when they were going up against
molodoy who farmed like this was when you got
molodoy at his best you know and this is probably
where molodoy maybe had other than astana had the
most pressure on his shoulders

587
00:38:05,934 --> 00:38:08,648
[BanKs]  Because, like, the Brazilians love him.

588
00:38:08,668 --> 00:38:08,969
[BanKs] You know?

589
00:38:09,130 --> 00:38:12,425
[BanKs] He's like the little saviour for this whole Furia
team.

590
00:38:13,563 --> 00:38:18,322
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, but it's also like Falcons group stage
buff, dead team buff.

591
00:38:13,731 --> 00:38:14,172
[BanKs] So...

592
00:38:18,503 --> 00:38:20,389
[Devilwalk] There's a lot of things going on to this.

593
00:38:21,152 --> 00:38:23,623
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

594
00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:22,862
[BanKs]  All in the other direction.

595
00:38:23,224 --> 00:38:24,967
[BanKs] Yeah, all in the other direction.

596
00:38:25,007 --> 00:38:29,217
[BanKs] And then against Spirit, they didn't just get
donked.

597
00:38:29,277 --> 00:38:31,400
[BanKs] They got absolutely wrecked by everyone on Spirit.

598
00:38:31,722 --> 00:38:38,576
[BanKs] This is where I felt like... Yeah, no, Spirit is
super exciting when we get to him.

599
00:38:33,070 --> 00:38:45,730
[Devilwalk]  Spirit is the interesting one to talk about.

600
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,380
[BanKs] But I'll just say that...

601
00:38:40,882 --> 00:38:46,416
[BanKs]  This last hurrah as this mouths as we know it,
yeah, wasn't a good showing.

602
00:38:46,536 --> 00:38:48,126
[BanKs] Like, this wasn't positive at all.

603
00:38:49,472 --> 00:38:56,413
[Devilwalk]  No, but I kind of, you know, it feels like
obviously they, I don't know when the news
actually dropped.

604
00:38:56,432 --> 00:38:57,456
[Devilwalk] Was it mid-tournament?

605
00:38:58,179 --> 00:38:59,523
[BanKs]  No, it was just after they eliminated.

606
00:38:59,543 --> 00:39:00,364
[BanKs] I think they waited, no?

607
00:39:01,568 --> 00:39:02,068
[BanKs] All right, let me see.

608
00:39:02,088 --> 00:39:05,014
[BanKs] I've got a news up.

609
00:39:04,496 --> 00:39:04,697
[Devilwalk] Uh-uh.

610
00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:05,817
[BanKs] Let me grab it.

611
00:39:05,896 --> 00:39:06,659
[BanKs] Let me see if it's mid-20.

612
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:08,242
[BanKs] I think it was after they got eliminated.

613
00:39:08,282 --> 00:39:11,369
[BanKs] On the 18th when they played.

614
00:39:10,246 --> 00:39:12,956
[Devilwalk]  Because it was mid-tournament.

615
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:12,873
[BanKs] Yeah, the day after they got eliminated.

616
00:39:12,913 --> 00:39:13,994
[BanKs] Day after they got eliminated.

617
00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:13,557
[Devilwalk] Okay, yeah.

618
00:39:14,963 --> 00:39:19,318
[Devilwalk] But they probably already knew to some extent the
players.

619
00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:21,079
[BanKs]  Yeah.

620
00:39:22,288 --> 00:39:22,769
[Devilwalk] But yeah.

621
00:39:22,646 --> 00:39:28,126
[BanKs] So, I think for Maus, 56 isn't what they want,
right?

622
00:39:28,146 --> 00:39:29,612
[BanKs] They should be still aiming at trophies.

623
00:39:29,692 --> 00:39:32,322
[BanKs] Yes, semis is kind of the minimum, right, for
them.

624
00:39:32,302 --> 00:39:49,534
[BanKs]  um they didn't get there but obviously a lot's
happened since then and you know the just the only
difference was they face spirit not a vitality to
make it happen but they have had some tough games
if you look at the head-to-head against spirit
overall and this is now a spirit that we will talk
about later as trending upwards for sure

625
00:39:49,969 --> 00:40:02,780
[BanKs]  finally after taking a long time so then we can
go on to navi navi 56 good run beating bait losing
to furia by the way i did think they would win
that furia matchup but um

626
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:50,583
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

627
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,842
[BanKs]  The nuke at the end.

628
00:40:04,324 --> 00:40:05,344
[BanKs] Na'Vi had it again.

629
00:40:05,726 --> 00:40:07,628
[BanKs] Na'Vi had a 9-3 lead, man.

630
00:40:07,909 --> 00:40:09,972
[BanKs] And once he got to overtime, Na'Vi disappeared.

631
00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:13,117
[BanKs] Like, they were making terrible plays on the A
site.

632
00:40:13,137 --> 00:40:14,920
[BanKs] They were just getting caught out all the time.

633
00:40:14,981 --> 00:40:16,844
[BanKs] It was not positive.

634
00:40:17,365 --> 00:40:21,833
[BanKs] That should have been them going comfortably
through, in my opinion.

635
00:40:23,027 --> 00:40:24,871
[BanKs]  And they wouldn't have needed to play Hotter and
Aurora.

636
00:40:23,315 --> 00:40:24,217
[Devilwalk]  I mean, yes.

637
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,594
[Devilwalk] I mean, they had a 9-2 lead on Nuke, which they
threw.

638
00:40:30,418 --> 00:40:35,112
[Devilwalk] And that's them on the T side of Nuke, by the way.

639
00:40:34,211 --> 00:40:35,614
[BanKs] Mikazi missed knife, by the way.

640
00:40:36,516 --> 00:40:37,780
[BanKs] Letting Molodoy save the AWP.

641
00:40:36,646 --> 00:40:42,862
[Devilwalk]  And they switched to CT side and get 9 freed by
Furious T side.

642
00:40:42,882 --> 00:40:43,706
[Devilwalk] That's a throw.

643
00:40:44,427 --> 00:40:44,909
[Devilwalk] 100%.

644
00:40:44,746 --> 00:40:45,289
[BanKs]  It's a throw.

645
00:40:45,773 --> 00:40:47,972
[BanKs] It's a throw and then you just show nothing in
overtime.

646
00:40:49,382 --> 00:40:49,541
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

647
00:40:49,487 --> 00:40:50,510
[BanKs]  Obviously, they made playoffs.

648
00:40:50,530 --> 00:40:51,934
[BanKs] They're going to be happy with that for sure.

649
00:40:52,295 --> 00:40:56,947
[BanKs] But then because of these kind of the way it all
went, right, you end up playing Vitality in the
quarters.

650
00:40:57,648 --> 00:41:00,054
[BanKs] And, you know, look at the matchup history.

651
00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,762
[BanKs] There's normally such good games between these two
teams, yeah?

652
00:41:03,143 --> 00:41:04,346
[BanKs] It's not Na'Vi getting blown out.

653
00:41:04,666 --> 00:41:05,909
[BanKs] Since Austin...

654
00:41:05,889 --> 00:41:08,516
[BanKs]  Even going back to cologne, which obviously is a
very clone 2024.

655
00:41:07,746 --> 00:41:09,217
[Devilwalk]  A lot of 11s.

656
00:41:08,536 --> 00:41:20,489
[BanKs] This is very different It's so close right so
close to austin so close to budapest close at
rotterdam 13 10 13 10, you know and then here Yeah

657
00:41:16,976 --> 00:41:17,978
[Devilwalk]  It's crazy.

658
00:41:18,498 --> 00:41:19,320
[Devilwalk] You look at this.

659
00:41:19,842 --> 00:41:26,211
[Devilwalk] They have one win and two overtime losses and 16
wins for Vitality.

660
00:41:26,873 --> 00:41:28,195
[Devilwalk] And there's three 13-11s.

661
00:41:29,036 --> 00:41:31,641
[Devilwalk] There's 13-10s, two of them.

662
00:41:32,041 --> 00:41:33,262
[Devilwalk] There's two 13-9s.

663
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:32,793
[BanKs]  Yep.

664
00:41:33,322 --> 00:41:34,985
[Devilwalk] No, it's a three 13s.

665
00:41:34,965 --> 00:41:35,972
[Devilwalk]  16-14, 22-20.

666
00:41:35,992 --> 00:41:39,998
[Devilwalk] And they won one game.

667
00:41:40,771 --> 00:41:41,052
[BanKs]  Yeah.

668
00:41:41,753 --> 00:41:43,239
[BanKs] And then they've come so close.

669
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:45,226
[BanKs] So I'm expecting at least a banger of a game.

670
00:41:45,266 --> 00:41:47,072
[BanKs] They get destroyed on Mirage.

671
00:41:47,092 --> 00:41:48,416
[BanKs] They get destroyed on Dust2.

672
00:41:48,538 --> 00:41:49,983
[BanKs] I don't know what the hell happened.

673
00:41:50,324 --> 00:41:51,186
[BanKs] Mikazi was gone.

674
00:41:51,226 --> 00:41:52,771
[BanKs] Ima was gone.

675
00:41:52,751 --> 00:42:08,802
[BanKs]  don't know maybe maybe they just met a vitality
who really had the gold bars in their sights and
they hit the the best form of vitality um this
wasn't a game i saw

676
00:42:00,396 --> 00:42:01,007
[Devilwalk]  I think

677
00:42:02,438 --> 00:42:07,465
[Devilwalk]  I think Vitality is really dangerous, especially
after they've lost a game.

678
00:42:07,485 --> 00:42:15,577
[Devilwalk] And they got that kind of loss in the group stage
against Falcons and then straight after they're
going into Na'Vi.

679
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:22,168
[Devilwalk] So I feel like it was like to prove a point kind
of game for Vitality where they woke up and

680
00:42:21,271 --> 00:42:23,235
[BanKs]  Na'Vi were just the unlucky ones in the way.

681
00:42:23,255 --> 00:42:28,525
[BanKs] It was like, ah, you want to meet the strongest
version of Vitality?

682
00:42:23,414 --> 00:42:24,501
[Devilwalk]  Yeah pretty much.

683
00:42:27,985 --> 00:42:28,327
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

684
00:42:28,824 --> 00:42:30,628
[BanKs] You won't have a close game this time, guys.

685
00:42:30,668 --> 00:42:32,150
[BanKs] Like, you won't have a single chance in it.

686
00:42:32,552 --> 00:42:39,465
[BanKs] And obviously, ZywOo was honorable coming to
later, but he was on a super level, like crazy
level.

687
00:42:39,445 --> 00:42:51,835
[BanKs]  um so furia next furia find themselves in such a
weird position because they definitely all knew
about this retirement announcement coming out
right again we will talk about that later within
the news section of the podcast but

688
00:42:51,815 --> 00:43:11,815
[BanKs]  you got the plane going above my head there are
so many planes going above my head um two zero
passion two one navi two zero mouse then you lose
two zero to vitality and sadly when you could have
at least done that arena proud and got a third
place you lose two zero to our falcons who were
also going through changes like imminent changes
like happening right

689
00:43:11,795 --> 00:43:31,237
[BanKs]  instantly you know so yeah yeah everyone knew
about as well kicks and definitely knew i've got
some great news on that by the way i got some
direct information that i can give everyone as far
as i wear no one else has said this just yet so
like no other podcast had this information i got
something i got something but i will say for furia

690
00:43:13,684 --> 00:43:14,802
[Devilwalk]  that everyone knew about.

691
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:44,269
[BanKs]  The weight of all this emotional thing,
especially for anyone who watched the Fallen video
and also just a bit of uncertainty for the future,
even though they know they've still got at least
like, what, eight months to play.

692
00:43:44,835 --> 00:43:45,063
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

693
00:43:46,172 --> 00:43:51,521
[BanKs] It is a tough one to swallow, but I would have
expected them to at least beat Falcons.

694
00:43:52,378 --> 00:43:54,382
[BanKs]  I'm fine with them losing to Vitality.

695
00:43:54,543 --> 00:43:59,994
[BanKs] I would have liked to have seen a closer game,
like as in three maps, you know, because still
13-10, 13-10 is fine.

696
00:44:00,414 --> 00:44:04,103
[BanKs] But I mean, the Falcons loss is like, come on,
guys.

697
00:44:04,123 --> 00:44:06,286
[BanKs] For the third place, give it for them.

698
00:44:06,306 --> 00:44:07,570
[BanKs] Just give them that little something more.

699
00:44:09,338 --> 00:44:18,916
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, I mean, obviously before playoffs the full
announcement came, you obviously saw a lot of
players being emotional, a lot of people being
emotional.

700
00:44:19,056 --> 00:44:24,327
[Devilwalk] I mean, it was a great speech and a great kind of
way to announce it.

701
00:44:26,382 --> 00:44:38,882
[Devilwalk]  But I think if we actually look at Furia, I think
a fourth place is actually kind of overperformance
compared to what we've seen them lately do.

702
00:44:39,503 --> 00:44:40,666
[Devilwalk] They've been shaky.

703
00:44:39,594 --> 00:44:57,670
[BanKs]  Yeah.

704
00:44:40,686 --> 00:44:42,027
[Devilwalk] They've not really...

705
00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:49,702
[Devilwalk]  looked as stable, but there was a fighting spirit
in them, even in the Vitality game and in the
Falcons game.

706
00:44:50,463 --> 00:44:56,201
[Devilwalk] These are two teams that I expect to beat Furia
almost every single time in the form that I've
seen Furia.

707
00:44:56,442 --> 00:44:58,347
[Devilwalk] The only thing...

708
00:44:57,690 --> 00:44:57,789
[BanKs] Okay.

709
00:44:58,327 --> 00:45:05,956
[Devilwalk]  That really bumped up to compete was that it was
in Rio and it's a Brazilian crowd and everything.

710
00:45:04,097 --> 00:45:04,480
[BanKs]  Yep.

711
00:45:06,697 --> 00:45:16,891
[Devilwalk] That's kind of where the bump up for me has been,
but that's not going to take you all the way over
the line against a team like Falcons or Vitality.

712
00:45:10,728 --> 00:45:10,969
[BanKs] Mm hmm.

713
00:45:17,327 --> 00:45:17,668
[BanKs]  Yeah.

714
00:45:18,409 --> 00:45:29,295
[BanKs] But I thought with the Falcons caveat, you know,
of knowing that Kik Sam was going, even though Kik
Sam played a good tournament throughout the group
stage, I thought maybe there was some like
wondrous ability that that would have been able to
happen.

715
00:45:29,275 --> 00:45:46,356
[BanKs]  considering recent form and stuff we'd seen but
this now means makes me think that like okay fury
you know what you've got now make the most of this
last run for for fallen and go as hard as you can
throughout the rest of it that would what would be
expected in it um

716
00:45:29,949 --> 00:45:30,898
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, yeah.

717
00:45:45,474 --> 00:45:54,036
[Devilwalk]  I think an interesting thing for Furious, they
put themselves in a position where they have eight
months now to find the replacement.

718
00:45:54,056 --> 00:46:02,217
[Devilwalk] And it's also a place where I think that IGLs want
to go to play with these players if the

719
00:45:54,469 --> 00:46:10,518
[BanKs]  Yep.

720
00:46:02,197 --> 00:46:14,643
[Devilwalk]  that if you're on a potential prospect list and
maybe they're even looking for that right now,
they might put themselves in a great position to
actually make that replacement.

721
00:46:10,539 --> 00:46:10,639
[BanKs] Yeah.

722
00:46:15,309 --> 00:46:23,041
[BanKs]  yukinda igl considering how much he helps fall
him he did it in liquid and he did fall off a lot
but he's out of the slump

723
00:46:19,092 --> 00:46:19,853
[Devilwalk] Could be, could be.

724
00:46:22,128 --> 00:46:25,387
[Devilwalk]  You probably need an emotional leader then to add

725
00:46:26,092 --> 00:46:41,942
[BanKs]  yeah yeah i don't have to see what the market's
like from when it gets to it but all in all fourth
place is still a bit of a bit of a resurgence for
furia but a lot was in this event for them then we
come on to falcons who also needed this they
remember krakow was top eight

726
00:46:41,922 --> 00:46:43,788
[BanKs]  PGL Occlusion of Poker was top eight.

727
00:46:43,807 --> 00:46:45,994
[BanKs] Blast Rotterdam was top six, just about making
playoffs.

728
00:46:46,014 --> 00:46:46,916
[BanKs] They're losing to Paravision.

729
00:46:47,378 --> 00:46:48,742
[BanKs] And now Rio third place.

730
00:46:49,644 --> 00:46:54,380
[BanKs] Looking at this, this is not a bad set of runs,
but obviously you expect so much more given the
players they have.

731
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,864
[BanKs] Now...

732
00:46:55,961 --> 00:47:01,070
[BanKs]  What was so positive was I'm looking at how well
Kiksan played in the group stage.

733
00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:04,958
[BanKs] Kiksan was playing really strong individual
performance in this group stage.

734
00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:07,143
[BanKs] They took down Spirit.

735
00:47:07,282 --> 00:47:11,090
[BanKs] They took down 3D Max, Vitality.

736
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,402
[Devilwalk]  Vitality.

737
00:47:11,471 --> 00:47:13,474
[BanKs] Vitality 1 is huge, right?

738
00:47:14,195 --> 00:47:15,978
[BanKs] But then when they get to playoffs...

739
00:47:15,958 --> 00:47:20,992
[BanKs]  They lose to Spirit in the rematch.

740
00:47:16,876 --> 00:47:18,342
[Devilwalk] Same old story again.

741
00:47:21,032 --> 00:47:23,079
[BanKs] And when you look at this, right?

742
00:47:24,161 --> 00:47:28,074
[BanKs] Nico, Manassi, Tessas even, Kiksan.

743
00:47:28,233 --> 00:47:30,340
[BanKs] You don't have excuses to be bad in playoffs
anymore.

744
00:47:31,619 --> 00:47:32,585
[Devilwalk]  He never had it.

745
00:47:31,905 --> 00:47:37,623
[BanKs]  Like you have had way more than enough time as a
unit, as a set of players together.

746
00:47:38,425 --> 00:47:42,518
[BanKs] And the fact you did beat Vitality, you should
have been riding a high.

747
00:47:42,699 --> 00:47:45,527
[BanKs] Like it should have been feeling so good for them.

748
00:47:45,507 --> 00:47:47,090
[BanKs]  So that was rough.

749
00:47:47,489 --> 00:47:49,634
[BanKs] And then, okay, you beat Furia to take the third
place.

750
00:47:50,715 --> 00:47:53,378
[BanKs] I'll say, fine, right, it's a third place.

751
00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:56,704
[BanKs] Munnessy's interview was kind of candid on stage
afterwards as well.

752
00:47:57,105 --> 00:47:59,268
[BanKs] And obviously now we know about all the changes
coming in.

753
00:48:00,530 --> 00:48:03,195
[BanKs] We will talk about that a bit more in the news
part anyway.

754
00:48:03,175 --> 00:48:08,563
[BanKs]  But as a last hurrah for Kikzan, it's fine,
right?

755
00:48:09,583 --> 00:48:10,405
[BanKs] It's not a final.

756
00:48:10,865 --> 00:48:13,389
[BanKs] It's not a trophy, but it's acceptable.

757
00:48:13,469 --> 00:48:16,275
[Devilwalk]  It's just a rinse and repeat event for Falcons.

758
00:48:16,295 --> 00:48:25,996
[Devilwalk] I feel like semis drop out, not meeting like full
expectations, especially the way they went out in
the semis.

759
00:48:17,434 --> 00:48:22,543
[BanKs] Shit.

760
00:48:22,563 --> 00:48:22,702
[BanKs] Mm-hmm.

761
00:48:26,096 --> 00:48:30,144
[Devilwalk] I feel like it's slightly embarrassing.

762
00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,688
[Devilwalk]  But yeah, it is what it is.

763
00:48:35,085 --> 00:48:50,900
[BanKs]  now spirit spirit spirit spirit finally something
positive after so long without a final they beat
liquid they lose to falcons they beat red canids
g2 mouse falcons on the revenge on a stage

764
00:48:51,235 --> 00:48:52,559
[BanKs]  Now, I will say this.

765
00:48:53,101 --> 00:48:56,150
[BanKs] Losing 3-0 to Vitality is not a bad thing, yeah?

766
00:48:58,275 --> 00:48:59,940
[BanKs] I would have hoped they would have taken one map.

767
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,230
[BanKs] Matix even said in his own interview, if we get
one map, like it's a positive.

768
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:05,818
[BanKs] They know how far ahead Vitality are from them,
yeah?

769
00:49:07,132 --> 00:49:09,137
[BanKs]  But you had them on Mirage.

770
00:49:09,197 --> 00:49:10,260
[BanKs] There was an opportunity there.

771
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,429
[BanKs] Donk did his best of what he can do.

772
00:49:13,831 --> 00:49:16,197
[BanKs] Tanir had moments in there as well, right?

773
00:49:17,695 --> 00:49:20,539
[BanKs]  But Vitality is too strong for anyone.

774
00:49:21,139 --> 00:49:21,719
[BanKs] So I don't know.

775
00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:23,682
[BanKs] What were your expectations when you looked at
this final?

776
00:49:24,184 --> 00:49:29,811
[BanKs] Because even though Spirit had a good performance,
I wasn't hyped thinking like, yeah, Spirit have
actually got a chance to win this.

777
00:49:30,072 --> 00:49:33,255
[BanKs] There was no moment in my mind I thought Spirit
can win this final.

778
00:49:33,896 --> 00:49:36,159
[BanKs] I thought you are at best hoping for a map.

779
00:49:37,269 --> 00:49:44,884
[Devilwalk]  No I think I mean to a certain degree if you look
at this tournament overall I think

780
00:49:46,922 --> 00:49:50,972
[Devilwalk]  Getting the second place is like a win for most
of these teams.

781
00:49:51,333 --> 00:49:53,440
[Devilwalk] It's just signs of progress.

782
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:55,965
[Devilwalk] Who is the closest to catching up?

783
00:49:57,028 --> 00:50:01,539
[Devilwalk] It's not really like if you realistically look at
it,

784
00:49:57,487 --> 00:50:16,018
[BanKs]  Yeah.

785
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:15,681
[Devilwalk]  about winning to some extent I think everyone
will say that that's the PR answer but at the end
of the day you know you look at it and you know we
are close to cementing to be the second best team

786
00:50:15,661 --> 00:50:16,762
[Devilwalk]  That's the first step.

787
00:50:17,043 --> 00:50:21,231
[Devilwalk] And then you'll go, you know, once you reach that,
you can look a little bit higher.

788
00:50:22,574 --> 00:50:26,601
[Devilwalk] But no, I didn't expect them to win a map.

789
00:50:27,021 --> 00:50:35,677
[Devilwalk] I mean, maybe hope for a map, but at the end of
the day, I always knew that Vitality is going to
win this final, win this event.

790
00:50:35,657 --> 00:50:44,346
[Devilwalk]  So, for Spirit, the one thing that I will say
though is, you know, Halle was obviously gone.

791
00:50:44,606 --> 00:50:47,675
[Devilwalk] He's, from what I heard, helped them from, you
know...

792
00:50:48,922 --> 00:51:00,989
[Devilwalk]  afar with SoftTech stepping in and you know he's
unlocked something I don't know if it's SoftTech
or if it's with Hallie as well

793
00:50:50,389 --> 00:50:50,751
[BanKs]  Yep.

794
00:51:00,969 --> 00:51:07,442
[Devilwalk]  But Tenir and other players in the lineup, it
hasn't been just a Donk show.

795
00:51:08,867 --> 00:51:09,106
[BanKs] Yeah.

796
00:51:08,985 --> 00:51:15,436
[Devilwalk] It hasn't been just waiting for Donk to get 3Ks
and then lose a 2v5 afterwards.

797
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:16,920
[Devilwalk] It's been...

798
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:32,141
[Devilwalk]  to near stepping up getting lurks taking
initiatives there's been a lot more fluidity
there's a lot more presence and danger to this uh
spirit that played in rio compared to any other
tournament i've seen

799
00:51:32,121 --> 00:51:39,699
[Devilwalk]  This is kind of what I hoped for when Magix got
reintroduced into the lineup, where we see some of
these players getting more unlocked.

800
00:51:40,201 --> 00:51:44,612
[Devilwalk] I talked to him at the HLTV Awards show at the
beginning of the year.

801
00:51:40,507 --> 00:51:57,132
[BanKs]  Yep.

802
00:51:44,592 --> 00:51:52,992
[Devilwalk]  And he essentially there said that it's not going
to be as structurally robust as it was before.

803
00:51:53,012 --> 00:51:56,862
[Devilwalk] It's going to be a little bit more fluidity in my
own ideas.

804
00:51:56,842 --> 00:52:01,150
[Devilwalk]  And we haven't really seen that from Spirit.

805
00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:05,617
[Devilwalk] It's been kind of rinse and repeat of the same
stuff.

806
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:12,750
[Devilwalk] Maybe a little bit more chaos instead of fluidity
in some sense.

807
00:52:12,769 --> 00:52:16,235
[Devilwalk] They haven't really gotten to click in some
rounds.

808
00:52:16,215 --> 00:52:34,512
[Devilwalk]  But this tournament, to me, having Tenir actually
show up, I talked about it last episode where it
was like, this could be the worst possible event
for Halle to be gone and them performing.

809
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:33,407
[BanKs]  Yep.

810
00:52:33,427 --> 00:52:33,668
[BanKs] Yeah.

811
00:52:35,706 --> 00:52:42,443
[Devilwalk]  Because this just further asks you the question,
is it Tali's system and him being too...

812
00:52:43,907 --> 00:52:53,465
[Devilwalk]  kind of tunnel visioned and rigid with, this is
what needs to happen, that it leaves no space for
players like Tenir to actually express themselves
on the server.

813
00:52:44,347 --> 00:52:44,969
[BanKs]  Too rigid.

814
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:49,721
[BanKs] Yep.

815
00:52:53,987 --> 00:53:01,139
[Devilwalk] That's my worry, and that's my question I get from
watching them now, but it's, to me,

816
00:52:54,653 --> 00:52:54,853
[BanKs] Yeah.

817
00:53:00,789 --> 00:53:00,869
[BanKs] Hmm.

818
00:53:02,284 --> 00:53:05,771
[Devilwalk]  a very clear path they need to continue along.

819
00:53:07,228 --> 00:53:13,764
[BanKs]  Yeah, but isn't this good information for Halle
to maybe actually be taking a step back and seeing
it if he can?

820
00:53:12,644 --> 00:53:16,411
[Devilwalk] But this shouldn't have been new information.

821
00:53:13,804 --> 00:53:17,735
[BanKs] Yeah, well, you saw it.

822
00:53:18,335 --> 00:53:19,077
[BanKs] Many people saw it.

823
00:53:19,851 --> 00:53:21,496
[Devilwalk]  It shouldn't have been.

824
00:53:21,516 --> 00:53:30,556
[Devilwalk] At the end of the day, you want people as a coach,
or at least I want people to express themselves.

825
00:53:30,597 --> 00:53:33,202
[Devilwalk] I don't want them to only follow my rules.

826
00:53:33,182 --> 00:53:34,748
[Devilwalk]  Only follow my protocols.

827
00:53:33,367 --> 00:53:39,077
[BanKs]  Robots.

828
00:53:34,969 --> 00:53:37,016
[Devilwalk] Only follow... Then you don't have a CS player.

829
00:53:37,036 --> 00:53:44,643
[Devilwalk] Then you might as well, you know, write bot add
bot in the corner of long, you know, and it will
work the same.

830
00:53:39,659 --> 00:53:40,121
[BanKs] AI.

831
00:53:44,623 --> 00:54:04,590
[Devilwalk]  I think they just need to continue this let
people express themselves on the server they have
such good players we've been rinse and repeat
talking about it on the podcast and it's time for
them to actually with Ali behind them find ways
for other players to shine and I loved what I saw
from spirit um yeah

832
00:53:58,175 --> 00:54:10,057
[BanKs]  and I want to go on discord right now right I
sent you a link we're going to watch this at the
same time

833
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:29,632
[BanKs]  i'm at seven hours 32 minutes 32 seconds we'll
play this for the viewers at home i don't have to
do some magic all right i'm not playing it with
like any crazy sound you ready three two one go so

834
00:54:24,364 --> 00:54:36,012
[Devilwalk]  yep ready I saw this

835
00:54:31,063 --> 00:54:50,237
[BanKs]  we look at this spirit getting their second place
medals yeah we've spoken about this before yeah
like you can all like have this problem that
you're not winning but you in your mind already
magic said be happy if they win a map they knew
they were not going to win this final yeah

836
00:54:50,773 --> 00:55:01,541
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

837
00:54:50,891 --> 00:54:52,735
[BanKs]  But this was a positive step forward.

838
00:54:52,896 --> 00:54:59,807
[BanKs] Now, Donk showed the most maturity out of all of
them by keeping his medal on.

839
00:55:00,590 --> 00:55:02,253
[BanKs] Yeah?

840
00:55:01,561 --> 00:55:01,661
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

841
00:55:02,353 --> 00:55:05,077
[BanKs] By the way, he is the player that can be pissed.

842
00:55:05,097 --> 00:55:08,344
[BanKs] He is the player that can be like, no, this is
unacceptable.

843
00:55:08,594 --> 00:55:16,235
[BanKs]  Everyone else took off the medal unhappy, like
for Tanir, for Zontix, for Magix, for Shiro.

844
00:55:16,295 --> 00:55:21,349
[BanKs] All of them can be just happy to be in a position
where you got to a second place again.

845
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:23,052
[BanKs] Take that moment and enjoy it.

846
00:55:23,072 --> 00:55:24,476
[BanKs] Maybe you...

847
00:55:24,456 --> 00:55:35,579
[BanKs]  afterwards give like zontix gave his medal away
right one um one katowice was it kind of it's a
last year for example he gave it give it away to
someone i don't care what you do with it
afterwards but at least for that moment

848
00:55:29,755 --> 00:55:29,998
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

849
00:55:36,286 --> 00:55:42,902
[BanKs]  Just hold the medal and think like you're not...
It's not the spirit of 2023, 2024, right?

850
00:55:44,047 --> 00:55:48,615
[Devilwalk]  No, but have you ever seen Dong Smile losing a
tournament?

851
00:55:44,246 --> 00:55:46,311
[BanKs] Where you can just dominate and run over things.

852
00:55:48,797 --> 00:55:53,003
[Devilwalk] I think, you know, he understands that this was
progress.

853
00:55:49,438 --> 00:55:50,199
[BanKs] No.

854
00:55:50,219 --> 00:55:50,902
[BanKs] He understands.

855
00:55:50,942 --> 00:55:52,365
[BanKs] He's not... Yeah.

856
00:55:52,405 --> 00:55:52,505
[BanKs] Yeah.

857
00:55:53,063 --> 00:55:54,547
[Devilwalk] This was the right path.

858
00:55:54,606 --> 00:55:55,989
[Devilwalk] This was we were close.

859
00:55:56,070 --> 00:55:58,293
[Devilwalk] We are moving in the right direction.

860
00:55:56,384 --> 00:55:57,286
[BanKs]  Exactly.

861
00:55:57,327 --> 00:55:59,293
[BanKs] Yes.

862
00:55:58,273 --> 00:56:02,608
[Devilwalk]  We can't expect, you know, two weeks and all of a
sudden we catch up to Vitality.

863
00:56:02,929 --> 00:56:03,952
[Devilwalk] We have to grind.

864
00:56:04,153 --> 00:56:07,465
[Devilwalk] And if we continue on this path, eventually we
will get there.

865
00:56:04,731 --> 00:56:04,992
[BanKs] Yep.

866
00:56:07,865 --> 00:56:11,237
[Devilwalk] It might not be for this major, but it might be
for the next.

867
00:56:11,773 --> 00:56:23,690
[BanKs]  yeah and even look at this right donk's rating
was 1.22 it's below his usual levels but he's
finally got something he needs to improve upon you
know he's finally got like his event ratings was

868
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:30,322
[BanKs]  Rotterdam, when they went out top eight, 1.61,
1.4, 0.82 for the Pro League Finals.

869
00:56:30,824 --> 00:56:38,237
[BanKs] He is in a position right now where he's not
getting away with absolute murder or just
dominating everyone, even when his team are losing
a game.

870
00:56:38,217 --> 00:56:39,599
[BanKs]  He's even having to step up himself.

871
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,108
[BanKs] There's some extra motivation and power play into
it now of like, I need to get back up there.

872
00:56:44,443 --> 00:56:53,699
[Devilwalk]  But the beautiful thing about what Spirit have
been doing now in this tournament, it's actually
going to unlock Donk more because there's more
threats on the map.

873
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,824
[Devilwalk] There's more players that can take initiative and
actually win rounds.

874
00:56:56,864 --> 00:57:03,195
[Devilwalk] There are more things that you need to look at as
a coach, as an analyst, as a team to stop

875
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:57,811
[BanKs] Yeah.

876
00:57:03,175 --> 00:57:10,394
[Devilwalk]  And that eventually will lead to Donk getting
more opportunities, not going to get five nades on
him lower every single round.

877
00:57:10,916 --> 00:57:15,007
[Devilwalk] He's actually going to be able to move around the
map and do things.

878
00:57:14,987 --> 00:57:17,853
[Devilwalk]  And it's not only going to be countering him.

879
00:57:15,275 --> 00:57:30,094
[BanKs]  Yep.

880
00:57:18,273 --> 00:57:24,786
[Devilwalk] So I think that this eventually will unlock, you
know, at least post the questions to teams.

881
00:57:25,507 --> 00:57:29,114
[Devilwalk] What are you willing to sacrifice to remove the
impact of Dong?

882
00:57:30,114 --> 00:57:30,195
[BanKs] Yep.

883
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:50,918
[Devilwalk]  and you know i think it will make spirit better i
think it'll be a trickier team to face because one
player i think you can always counter you know
i've always referenced you know kenny s back in
the days when he was the fucking monster beast
when the movement speed and op was like ridiculous
um

884
00:57:38,123 --> 00:57:50,681
[BanKs]  Yep.

885
00:57:50,898 --> 00:58:10,510
[Devilwalk]  our tactic was sacrifice me to get a 1v1 trade
that was legit our anti strat I die we kill him
yes it was that was our anti strat but we loved
being in the position of being 4v4 in that spot we
knew we would win the round if KennyS was dead

886
00:57:58,762 --> 00:57:59,670
[BanKs]  Devil go die.

887
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:02,737
[BanKs] Must trade.

888
00:58:03,322 --> 00:58:03,726
[BanKs] Yeah, yeah.

889
00:58:11,181 --> 00:58:13,489
[BanKs]  Yeah, because you're just hindering them
completely.

890
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:15,898
[BanKs] And yeah, that's the situation Spirit's been in
for quite some time.

891
00:58:16,210 --> 00:58:30,217
[Devilwalk]  Yes.

892
00:58:16,561 --> 00:58:22,119
[BanKs] So yeah, for me, Spirit, this is a positive event
for Spirit, even if the players had their little
meltdown about it.

893
00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:41,592
[BanKs]  realistically any of them who thought about this
logically wouldn't have known this was going to be
a final they would have a struggling be tough type
fight for them you know that's just the way it is
um you shouldn't be as upset as you showed on it
like this wasn't budapest for example this wasn't
something like that where you had an opportunity
on mirage back then this is way beyond it

894
00:58:30,237 --> 00:58:30,338
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

895
00:58:41,235 --> 00:58:41,737
[Devilwalk]  Exactly.

896
00:58:41,572 --> 00:58:45,286
[BanKs]  So now we go back to doing what this whole
podcast is about, right?

897
00:58:45,387 --> 00:58:48,157
[BanKs] Is, as I said last time, sucking off vitality.

898
00:58:48,659 --> 00:58:53,777
[BanKs] Because, dude, it's actually getting ridiculous
now.

899
00:58:51,753 --> 00:59:00,307
[Devilwalk] Let's do a small sucking off vitality bit so we
have more time because we are on a time
constraint.

900
00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:11,293
[BanKs]  got the rest of it yeah yeah but so let's look at
this right well you have till six right yeah cool
cool cool cool so let's hope they're late um

901
00:59:05,248 --> 00:59:23,139
[Devilwalk]  six they arrive yes they are not yeah

902
00:59:11,914 --> 00:59:13,900
[BanKs]  No, they're going to be on time.

903
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,641
[BanKs] That's very Swedish.

904
00:59:14,661 --> 00:59:15,503
[BanKs] That would be normal.

905
00:59:16,085 --> 00:59:17,327
[BanKs] So let's just look at this.

906
00:59:17,467 --> 00:59:21,737
[BanKs] Vitality are the first team in history to win the
Grand Slam twice.

907
00:59:22,278 --> 00:59:22,478
[BanKs] Yeah.

908
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,202
[BanKs] Back to back.

909
00:59:24,250 --> 00:59:26,893
[BanKs]  And by the way, I will just say this now.

910
00:59:27,034 --> 00:59:28,175
[BanKs] I will say this as of this day.

911
00:59:28,496 --> 00:59:31,119
[BanKs] They are going to win a third one before another
team can catch up to them.

912
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:32,501
[BanKs] It is definitely possible.

913
00:59:32,762 --> 00:59:34,704
[BanKs] They're going to get another one on their belt in
Atlanta.

914
00:59:35,786 --> 00:59:39,833
[BanKs] Then they've got a Chinese Chengdu again for it.

915
00:59:39,853 --> 00:59:41,235
[BanKs] So that's probably one they'll get as well.

916
00:59:41,695 --> 00:59:43,557
[BanKs] They're not slowing down.

917
00:59:42,474 --> 00:59:47,061
[Devilwalk]  Aren't we a little bit surprised ESL didn't just
like cancel, cancel, cancel.

918
00:59:47,141 --> 00:59:51,106
[Devilwalk] It's like canceling subscription, you know, like
remove it now when you have a chance.

919
00:59:48,382 --> 00:59:49,003
[BanKs]  Yeah.

920
00:59:49,023 --> 00:59:51,487
[BanKs] Also, they don't have the sponsorship.

921
00:59:51,989 --> 00:59:53,411
[BanKs] Remember, it used to be the Intel Grand Slam.

922
00:59:53,432 --> 00:59:54,715
[BanKs] Now it's just the ESL Grand Slam.

923
00:59:54,735 --> 00:59:59,164
[BanKs] If there was a time to do it, it would be like,
put this, turn this off.

924
00:59:57,717 --> 01:00:01,362
[Devilwalk] I guess they got plenty of gold bars down there in
Saudi.

925
01:00:02,130 --> 01:00:05,697
[BanKs] So, yeah, true, true.

926
01:00:05,677 --> 01:00:08,463
[BanKs]  The crazy thing here was, right?

927
01:00:09,364 --> 01:00:10,827
[BanKs] Everyone knew Vitality was going to win.

928
01:00:11,188 --> 01:00:13,612
[BanKs] But then there was that brief moment where they
messed up against Falcons.

929
01:00:13,632 --> 01:00:16,556
[BanKs] You would have a look at this and think, okay,
maybe they'll falter.

930
01:00:16,918 --> 01:00:19,563
[BanKs] But once they got the playoffs, 2-0, 2-0, 3-0.

931
01:00:19,768 --> 01:00:22,856
[Devilwalk]  Did anyone really think, are they going to
falter?

932
01:00:19,882 --> 01:00:21,425
[BanKs] Like you said, they hit another level.

933
01:00:23,237 --> 01:00:25,884
[Devilwalk] I think everyone was reverse.

934
01:00:25,101 --> 01:00:31,289
[BanKs]  It slipped into my mind that they dropped a group
stage game, which I wasn't expecting.

935
01:00:30,233 --> 01:00:32,800
[Devilwalk] But then your voice said, no, no.

936
01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:33,492
[BanKs] Yeah.

937
01:00:33,813 --> 01:00:37,679
[BanKs] And then I saw them play from the quarters and
went, okay, we're back on track.

938
01:00:37,699 --> 01:00:41,463
[BanKs] It was a small bit inside me where I thought it
could go wrong.

939
01:00:40,103 --> 01:00:40,644
[Devilwalk]  Okay.

940
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:49,302
[Devilwalk] Maybe just a hope in some... Yep.

941
01:00:42,105 --> 01:00:43,666
[BanKs] But I'll just say this.

942
01:00:43,798 --> 01:00:45,422
[BanKs]  We've already agreed this, right?

943
01:00:45,443 --> 01:00:48,489
[BanKs] They are the greatest Counter-Strike team of all
time, any version, doesn't matter what.

944
01:00:49,391 --> 01:00:51,275
[BanKs] People now need to stop arguing this.

945
01:00:51,496 --> 01:00:57,027
[BanKs] Why am I still seeing people tweet and talk on
podcasts and talk on other places that this is a
debate?

946
01:00:57,369 --> 01:00:58,471
[BanKs] This is not a debate.

947
01:00:58,490 --> 01:01:00,576
[BanKs] This has not been a debate since...

948
01:01:00,556 --> 01:01:04,483
[BanKs]  Budapest, now they've won four more tournaments.

949
01:01:04,864 --> 01:01:06,606
[BanKs] This team is unstoppable.

950
01:01:06,626 --> 01:01:08,331
[BanKs] And people, by the way, I saw some comments.

951
01:01:08,351 --> 01:01:11,056
[BanKs] They were like, oh, well, Messi didn't play so
well again.

952
01:01:11,356 --> 01:01:14,581
[BanKs] They're going to remove him and pick up someone
from foot, for example.

953
01:01:14,621 --> 01:01:18,750
[BanKs] It's like they're not changing this winning
formula until it starts to go really bad.

954
01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:21,402
[BanKs]  But this is now one, two, three, four tournaments
in a row.

955
01:01:21,461 --> 01:01:23,070
[BanKs] Next one's rivals.

956
01:01:23,170 --> 01:01:25,862
[BanKs] Maybe unless they're super jet lagged or someone
gets ill, they could lose it.

957
01:01:25,882 --> 01:01:28,032
[BanKs] But I mean, probably not going to happen.

958
01:01:26,577 --> 01:01:32,891
[Devilwalk]  Vitality still need the bounty to be the greatest
Counter-Strike team of all time.

959
01:01:33,681 --> 01:01:37,047
[BanKs]  Oh, mate, watch them just skip the next bounty or
something.

960
01:01:37,086 --> 01:01:37,487
[BanKs] I don't know.

961
01:01:37,706 --> 01:01:40,751
[BanKs] Like, maybe they do.

962
01:01:41,512 --> 01:01:42,634
[BanKs] But this is crazy.

963
01:01:42,673 --> 01:01:44,416
[BanKs] Like, they're unstoppable.

964
01:01:44,777 --> 01:01:46,059
[BanKs] ZywOo gets another MVP.

965
01:01:46,139 --> 01:01:53,108
[BanKs] ZywOo, when you go on his HLTV profile, like, that
bar's just going for 31 MVPs, two gold bars.

966
01:01:53,088 --> 01:01:55,166
[BanKs]  Trophy trophy trophy trophy trophy.

967
01:01:54,268 --> 01:01:56,144
[Devilwalk]  You're gonna need a faster slider soon.

968
01:01:56,664 --> 01:01:59,009
[BanKs]  Bro, it's actually insane.

969
01:02:00,110 --> 01:02:01,474
[BanKs] We have never seen anything like this.

970
01:02:01,514 --> 01:02:04,039
[BanKs] This is just continuous record-breaking and
dominance.

971
01:02:05,019 --> 01:02:06,784
[BanKs] We can't glaze them any more than what we are.

972
01:02:07,284 --> 01:02:15,719
[BanKs] Even when someone can have a bad time, like Flames
didn't have the best playoff sets, for example,
but still so good.

973
01:02:13,304 --> 01:02:17,409
[Devilwalk]  But the impressive part is it's 13 years of
trophies.

974
01:02:18,822 --> 01:02:19,664
[BanKs]  That's impressive.

975
01:02:19,994 --> 01:02:23,079
[Devilwalk] Because he has 2013, 14, 15.

976
01:02:20,105 --> 01:02:31,467
[BanKs] That's impressive.

977
01:02:23,099 --> 01:02:29,929
[Devilwalk] He has 16, 17.

978
01:02:31,487 --> 01:02:36,016
[BanKs] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

979
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:36,795
[Devilwalk]  Is this ECS?

980
01:02:36,036 --> 01:02:37,057
[BanKs] No, it's not 13.

981
01:02:37,077 --> 01:02:38,079
[BanKs] Who are you talking about?

982
01:02:39,623 --> 01:02:40,103
[Devilwalk] Yeah, Apex.

983
01:02:40,438 --> 01:02:40,920
[BanKs]  Apex.

984
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:41,481
[BanKs] Okay, thank God.

985
01:02:41,501 --> 01:02:42,565
[BanKs] I was thinking it can't be.

986
01:02:42,585 --> 01:02:44,632
[BanKs] So I was talking about ZywOo, but yeah, Apex.

987
01:02:44,034 --> 01:02:44,755
[Devilwalk] Ah, okay, okay, okay.

988
01:02:44,896 --> 01:02:48,326
[Devilwalk] Yes, Apex.

989
01:02:45,213 --> 01:02:46,036
[BanKs] Apex doesn't miss.

990
01:02:46,338 --> 01:02:47,179
[BanKs] Apex doesn't miss.

991
01:02:48,403 --> 01:02:49,588
[BanKs] And done it through multiple roles.

992
01:02:48,525 --> 01:02:51,072
[Devilwalk] Is it only one year he didn't win a tournament?

993
01:02:52,737 --> 01:02:54,161
[BanKs] Did you tell me you're the one looking?

994
01:02:55,373 --> 01:02:56,179
[Devilwalk]  I'm trying to see.

995
01:02:56,199 --> 01:03:00,269
[Devilwalk] Either way, you can continue talking while I...

996
01:03:01,027 --> 01:03:02,088
[BanKs]  I don't know.

997
01:03:02,128 --> 01:03:03,692
[BanKs] There's nothing else I can say, right?

998
01:03:04,253 --> 01:03:07,539
[BanKs] His contract is with Vitality till December 2026
for Apex.

999
01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:09,322
[BanKs] They're all in a great spot right now.

1000
01:03:09,342 --> 01:03:10,202
[BanKs] They continue to win.

1001
01:03:10,224 --> 01:03:11,726
[BanKs] They're so well gelled together.

1002
01:03:11,746 --> 01:03:14,130
[BanKs] They've scheduled maxed their way through all of
this.

1003
01:03:14,451 --> 01:03:19,440
[BanKs] They understand how to play CS and how to even
like the G2 game where they were faltering.

1004
01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:21,744
[BanKs]  Even when they lost to Falcons, they just come
back.

1005
01:03:21,864 --> 01:03:22,625
[BanKs] They hit harder.

1006
01:03:23,306 --> 01:03:24,347
[BanKs] They believe in each other.

1007
01:03:24,367 --> 01:03:25,309
[BanKs] They know what can be done.

1008
01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:30,498
[BanKs] We are just witnessing history and greatness in
front of our eyes that has not ended.

1009
01:03:30,539 --> 01:03:38,190
[BanKs] Even for the slight blip they had after the first
break of 2025, they still went on to win the
major.

1010
01:03:38,512 --> 01:03:39,132
[BanKs] So...

1011
01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:49,393
[BanKs]  zero problems zero bad things to say yeah win win
win and

1012
01:03:42,438 --> 01:03:43,521
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, I agree.

1013
01:03:48,581 --> 01:03:51,030
[Devilwalk] Should we go to news section?

1014
01:03:51,364 --> 01:03:57,097
[BanKs]  Yes, it is time for all of the recent news and
some of the news that's maybe not so recent now
because the days have been rolling on by.

1015
01:03:57,398 --> 01:03:58,822
[BanKs] I'm going to change things up here, DW.

1016
01:03:59,143 --> 01:04:02,891
[BanKs] I'm going to start with the introduction of
AnimGraph 2.

1017
01:04:02,911 --> 01:04:04,173
[BanKs] I hope I'm saying that correctly.

1018
01:04:04,213 --> 01:04:05,215
[BanKs] I want to say Animagraph.

1019
01:04:05,235 --> 01:04:05,998
[BanKs] That'd be funnier.

1020
01:04:05,978 --> 01:04:09,284
[BanKs]  But Animagraph was obviously in beta.

1021
01:04:09,364 --> 01:04:10,025
[BanKs] You could have played it.

1022
01:04:10,045 --> 01:04:11,067
[BanKs] You could have tested it out there.

1023
01:04:11,387 --> 01:04:14,472
[BanKs] Me and DevWalt played a game together to look at
some of it yesterday as well.

1024
01:04:14,853 --> 01:04:20,364
[BanKs] And I messaged some pro players across different
teams to get their thoughts on it all as well.

1025
01:04:20,884 --> 01:04:22,887
[BanKs] You also had a conversation with the Alliance
coach.

1026
01:04:22,907 --> 01:04:24,150
[BanKs] You were just messaging yesterday, right?

1027
01:04:24,190 --> 01:04:25,152
[BanKs] So...

1028
01:04:24,456 --> 01:04:24,684
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

1029
01:04:25,132 --> 01:04:28,456
[BanKs]  Put it out there for me because when I got into
game, I haven't played CS for a little while.

1030
01:04:29,018 --> 01:04:33,686
[BanKs] I just was like, okay, feels like I'm playing CS.

1031
01:04:33,746 --> 01:04:35,188
[BanKs] Maybe it's a placebo.

1032
01:04:35,208 --> 01:04:36,050
[BanKs] It's more responsive.

1033
01:04:36,070 --> 01:04:36,911
[BanKs] Maybe that's just in my mind.

1034
01:04:38,934 --> 01:04:41,719
[BanKs] But everyone seems to be saying it's a positive
change.

1035
01:04:41,778 --> 01:04:44,202
[BanKs] So what was your initial thoughts?

1036
01:04:45,195 --> 01:05:01,112
[Devilwalk]  initial thoughts when I was playing it it was I
think spraying for me felt a lot better I think
the movement and everything can feel a bit janky
at first but I think it's just a

1037
01:04:55,355 --> 01:04:55,775
[BanKs]  Mhm.

1038
01:05:01,092 --> 01:05:08,146
[Devilwalk]  We have to get used to it kind of deal before we
kind of judge that too much right now.

1039
01:05:08,648 --> 01:05:11,974
[Devilwalk] In terms of the aim punching, I felt it was a
little bit weird at times.

1040
01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:09,329
[BanKs] Mhm.

1041
01:05:12,496 --> 01:05:19,050
[Devilwalk] There's kind of a new effect to it in a way that
kind of threw me off a little bit.

1042
01:05:15,335 --> 01:05:15,675
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1043
01:05:19,030 --> 01:05:23,621
[Devilwalk]  So I think that's going to take some time, but
the spraying definitely felt better.

1044
01:05:23,822 --> 01:05:30,918
[Devilwalk] It looked a lot more responsive in terms of what
you're shooting at and what the players are at.

1045
01:05:31,298 --> 01:05:32,382
[Devilwalk] It didn't feel like...

1046
01:05:31,751 --> 01:05:31,992
[BanKs] Yep.

1047
01:05:32,362 --> 01:05:49,628
[Devilwalk]  bullets were just disappearing through his body
um like it has been in cs2 for a long time so i'm
expecting this to be you know a buff for players
that spray i know like flattro is probably very
very happy about this uh

1048
01:05:36,277 --> 01:05:53,306
[BanKs]  losing a random bullet or two yep yeah

1049
01:05:49,608 --> 01:06:07,869
[Devilwalk]  like changed because he used to be a sprayer and
it hasn't really been a thing in cs2 too much
obviously it's a thing but it's not as powerful as
it was in cs go um so i'm expecting some players
to get buffed some players to get a little bit
nerfed

1050
01:06:07,849 --> 01:06:15,766
[Devilwalk]  in terms of grenades I know a lot of people have
been missing smokes and stuff and there's new
lineups so make sure

1051
01:06:14,650 --> 01:06:15,411
[BanKs]  What?

1052
01:06:15,431 --> 01:06:18,056
[BanKs] So how does it change the lineups of spokes?

1053
01:06:18,115 --> 01:06:19,958
[BanKs] Isn't that something we shouldn't have had change?

1054
01:06:20,809 --> 01:06:24,936
[Devilwalk]  I don't exactly know what it is.

1055
01:06:25,498 --> 01:06:32,469
[Devilwalk] It's something with the camera view of your model
is changed.

1056
01:06:28,894 --> 01:06:29,114
[BanKs] Mm hmm.

1057
01:06:32,688 --> 01:06:37,958
[Devilwalk] I think it is slightly above where it used to be.

1058
01:06:37,938 --> 01:06:47,675
[Devilwalk]  So now when you're looking at things that you
would have a lineup on, you need to lame a little
bit lower than you did before to hit it.

1059
01:06:38,561 --> 01:06:39,023
[BanKs]  Okay.

1060
01:06:44,858 --> 01:06:49,128
[BanKs] Yeah.

1061
01:06:47,695 --> 01:06:56,652
[Devilwalk] It's like a lot of these like CT Mirage smoke or
Insta smokes, even top mid smokes on Mirage and
stuff and Insta window.

1062
01:06:56,753 --> 01:06:57,954
[Devilwalk] You need to change it.

1063
01:06:57,934 --> 01:07:09,327
[Devilwalk]  little bit for it to hit but that that's I mean
that's like one day's YouTube video and and you'll
be Gucci

1064
01:07:10,237 --> 01:07:11,199
[BanKs]  Okay.

1065
01:07:11,418 --> 01:07:16,568
[BanKs] I saw when obviously the update, the first update
before it came out, obviously Valve have continued
to update a few more things afterwards.

1066
01:07:16,949 --> 01:07:25,846
[BanKs] It says minor adjustments to view model
animations, adjusted general weapon deploy
animation logic, fixed issues within transitioning
between knife attacks.

1067
01:07:25,865 --> 01:07:27,007
[BanKs] So I messaged a few people.

1068
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:29,932
[BanKs] We'll start with JL on this one.

1069
01:07:29,103 --> 01:07:37,286
[Devilwalk]  Didn't they also remove the ladder thing where
you tapped up the ladders to silence?

1070
01:07:36,106 --> 01:07:55,548
[BanKs]  oh i didn't try it i didn't show him okay so
first person i was talking to was jail yeah
obviously now joining into mouse he said i played
a dozen games i don't know feels good now you know
jail very open with this like he's pretty chill of
it all

1071
01:07:38,791 --> 01:07:39,875
[Devilwalk] I think they changed that as well.

1072
01:07:40,657 --> 01:07:41,239
[Devilwalk] They removed it.

1073
01:07:55,528 --> 01:08:06,601
[BanKs]  but he says doesn't feel bad so must be a win
update so he's just looking at the fact that it
was it wasn't like naturally feeling bad he's
still playing to a good level he was playing a lot
of faces yesterday on stream um

1074
01:08:06,581 --> 01:08:07,503
[BanKs]  when I was talking to him.

1075
01:08:07,985 --> 01:08:10,913
[BanKs] I hit up Munnessy as well, because obviously
they've got Carrigan coming in.

1076
01:08:11,032 --> 01:08:14,320
[BanKs] He's been on full chill mode, so he hasn't even
played face it or practice.

1077
01:08:14,340 --> 01:08:15,143
[BanKs] That's going to start today.

1078
01:08:15,284 --> 01:08:19,814
[BanKs] He'll update me later, so I'll update that when we
come back into it.

1079
01:08:19,795 --> 01:08:36,184
[BanKs]  imma said at the beginning it felt a bit off at
the start um he didn't know why but now like he's
got used to it and he says it feels better but he
can't know it's like a huge difference for him
personally you know that's like a difference in
comparison to say what jael said

1080
01:08:36,163 --> 01:08:52,181
[BanKs]  Mezzy said I played a DM session yesterday and it
definitely was feeling different mostly the way
the legs move when strafing and changing direction
but I honestly don't have a huge opinion on it as
of yet as I need to play more so that's obviously
what a lot of people are going to do this is like
chill time break time

1081
01:08:52,162 --> 01:08:55,451
[BanKs]  And then I had to ask someone who's like a young
grinder, right?

1082
01:08:55,490 --> 01:09:01,868
[BanKs] So Symmetry from Foot obviously won the MVP when
it came to PGL Bucharest.

1083
01:09:01,887 --> 01:09:03,572
[BanKs] He said, I think it's sick.

1084
01:09:03,551 --> 01:09:08,604
[BanKs]  The models movement across the screen is easier
to understand and spraying feels significantly
better.

1085
01:09:08,965 --> 01:09:12,393
[BanKs] The only thing I wish they'd consider is the
Kevlar aim punch.

1086
01:09:12,412 --> 01:09:14,078
[BanKs] Overall, great update, in my opinion.

1087
01:09:14,599 --> 01:09:16,363
[BanKs] So we're seeing.

1088
01:09:14,672 --> 01:09:16,220
[Devilwalk]  He said reconsider, yeah.

1089
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:32,310
[BanKs]  yeah yeah reconsider sorry um so yeah that like
aim punching was what you said right something
definitely doesn't feel natural or right with it
but obviously he mentioned in there um with the
movement for the models across the screen which is
he was the first one to mention that

1090
01:09:22,324 --> 01:09:22,506
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

1091
01:09:32,694 --> 01:09:38,708
[BanKs]  So for me, people would normally clown or hate
these updates, but this is a positive step
forward.

1092
01:09:39,250 --> 01:09:41,274
[BanKs] And obviously it's something that Valve is
focusing on.

1093
01:09:41,735 --> 01:09:43,078
[BanKs] So we are getting what we wanted.

1094
01:09:43,099 --> 01:09:48,612
[BanKs] For all the people complaining or unhappy and
saying like, oh, these updates aren't good enough,
blah, blah, blah.

1095
01:09:48,591 --> 01:09:52,979
[BanKs]  Well, we're starting to move in the direction of
getting, yes, it should have been like this ages
ago.

1096
01:09:53,019 --> 01:09:56,685
[BanKs] You can argue and all this other stuff, but I
mean, we're getting there.

1097
01:09:56,885 --> 01:10:01,853
[BanKs] And then also Counter-Strike Upgrade updated their
header to put the floor of cash in as well.

1098
01:10:02,474 --> 01:10:05,958
[BanKs] You're not a fan of that because you didn't want
to see cash back, but it might mean we're getting
a

1099
01:10:05,804 --> 01:10:07,127
[Devilwalk]  I'm not against cash.

1100
01:10:07,889 --> 01:10:09,753
[Devilwalk] I'm against this version of cash.

1101
01:10:10,394 --> 01:10:29,060
[BanKs]  oh yeah but that's really bad fps as well is it
is it still the really green one as well yeah yeah
yeah yeah

1102
01:10:11,819 --> 01:10:14,525
[Devilwalk] I don't like this version of cash.

1103
01:10:15,007 --> 01:10:17,212
[Devilwalk] I don't understand why the fuck there's a window
in mid.

1104
01:10:18,216 --> 01:10:21,805
[Devilwalk] Like, I just don't like this one.

1105
01:10:24,467 --> 01:10:43,725
[Devilwalk]  I think it is honestly I'm not sure but it
probably is but I just feel like I've read even
the maker of the map who obviously sold cash to
Valve even said like this map is unfinished it's
not like you know I wasn't even finished with the
map when they bought it I guess so

1106
01:10:34,576 --> 01:10:43,859
[BanKs]  It's kind of crazy.

1107
01:10:43,899 --> 01:10:47,148
[BanKs] You'd let someone finish the job before you buy
it.

1108
01:10:47,829 --> 01:10:49,333
[BanKs] This wasn't a try before you buy it.

1109
01:10:47,957 --> 01:10:54,923
[Devilwalk]  So he even thinks it's an unfinished version of
the map.

1110
01:10:49,354 --> 01:10:50,577
[BanKs] It was like, I just want this.

1111
01:10:53,931 --> 01:10:54,493
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1112
01:10:54,944 --> 01:10:55,386
[Devilwalk] So...

1113
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:04,554
[Devilwalk]  That to me is the annoying part, because that
means the Valve will come in, make a bunch of
changes to the map, make it even more wonky and
crazy.

1114
01:11:04,594 --> 01:11:10,765
[Devilwalk] And it'll take, you know, six months of a
professional season before we get the actual
version or even longer.

1115
01:11:10,579 --> 01:11:10,859
[BanKs] No.

1116
01:11:11,546 --> 01:11:14,471
[Devilwalk] So that part annoys me.

1117
01:11:15,328 --> 01:11:15,588
[BanKs]  Yep.

1118
01:11:17,032 --> 01:11:18,213
[BanKs] Okay, next bit of news.

1119
01:11:18,333 --> 01:11:19,515
[BanKs] We kind of touched on it already.

1120
01:11:19,576 --> 01:11:22,720
[BanKs] I already confirmed that this was 100% happening
from who I'd spoken to.

1121
01:11:23,341 --> 01:11:25,466
[BanKs] Kerrigan leaving FaZe, going to Falcons.

1122
01:11:25,886 --> 01:11:28,610
[BanKs] Now, obviously now we've got a lot more
information.

1123
01:11:28,631 --> 01:11:30,515
[BanKs] We understand what has been happening here.

1124
01:11:30,635 --> 01:11:31,496
[BanKs] I will just say this.

1125
01:11:32,136 --> 01:11:34,400
[BanKs] For Kerrigan, yeah,

1126
01:11:34,381 --> 01:11:41,590
[BanKs]  he is how old is carrie let me just let me just
double check how old he is okay carrigan is 36
years old

1127
01:11:36,726 --> 01:11:38,315
[Devilwalk]  For the six.

1128
01:11:41,992 --> 01:11:43,917
[BanKs]  This is the ultimate last chance.

1129
01:11:43,957 --> 01:11:48,247
[BanKs] Now, personally, I thought maybe he would just
stay on FaZe until the end of it all, yeah?

1130
01:11:49,109 --> 01:11:56,948
[BanKs] But did you watch that FaZe documentary where he
said people were not believing, they weren't on
the same page, right?

1131
01:11:56,988 --> 01:11:57,649
[BanKs] Things like that.

1132
01:11:58,030 --> 01:11:59,595
[BanKs] That was very telling.

1133
01:11:59,574 --> 01:12:03,283
[BanKs]  They didn't have that same phase magic, phase DNA
in them, yeah?

1134
01:12:03,984 --> 01:12:09,297
[BanKs] That phase magic and that phase DNA, yes, Brokey
and Twist were part of it, but I mean, it comes
from Kerrigan.

1135
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:17,195
[BanKs] Now, for Kerrigan, at 36 years old, this is
probably the last part you will ever have in your
career.

1136
01:12:18,221 --> 01:12:23,777
[BanKs]  Getting an opportunity on Falcons is huge because
these are all the type of players he wants to deal
with.

1137
01:12:24,095 --> 01:12:24,295
[BanKs]  Yeah?

1138
01:12:24,855 --> 01:12:25,797
[BanKs] You're worried about the ego.

1139
01:12:25,818 --> 01:12:32,828
[BanKs] You're worried about the not being able to trade
off each other and how badly we've seen Falcons
play some of these situations.

1140
01:12:32,948 --> 01:12:35,212
[BanKs] Kerrigan is a solution to that, in my opinion.

1141
01:12:35,592 --> 01:12:37,876
[BanKs] This is all the tools and pieces he needs to be
successful.

1142
01:12:38,296 --> 01:12:40,820
[BanKs] And for anyone that thought that, like...

1143
01:12:40,801 --> 01:12:42,667
[BanKs]  Maybe he just goes to be a coach or something.

1144
01:12:43,509 --> 01:12:49,707
[BanKs] If you're smart, right, which I would say the
Falcons management has been because they're
aggressively hunting for making the best team in
the world, yeah?

1145
01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:54,641
[BanKs] This is probably a one, maybe two-year contract.

1146
01:12:55,346 --> 01:13:01,054
[BanKs]  And within that, if they did remove him or they
don't want to play with him, he replaces Zonic.

1147
01:13:02,467 --> 01:13:07,396
[BanKs]  who's obviously been under scrutiny for not
bringing the titles, and then Kerrigan would go to
coach.

1148
01:13:08,037 --> 01:13:11,824
[BanKs] That's just what I would put in there as a could
be, maybe thing, right?

1149
01:13:12,726 --> 01:13:17,215
[BanKs] Because ultimately, how many more years of playing
has Kerrigan got in there?

1150
01:13:17,536 --> 01:13:20,320
[BanKs] Now, Falcons already have enough firepower, yeah?

1151
01:13:21,101 --> 01:13:22,484
[BanKs] More than enough firepower.

1152
01:13:22,465 --> 01:13:41,351
[BanKs]  literally they don't need more five hours so
having this low down performance from carrigan
isn't going to hurt them and also he can be very
sacrificial and also in playoffs that's where he
does his best work and so i was getting some
insight from a few people on here right and

1153
01:13:41,332 --> 01:13:52,438
[BanKs]  Obviously, I can't say exactly who told me some
of these things, but it makes sense from the fact
that I'm just going through the messages I had
here.

1154
01:13:54,881 --> 01:13:56,948
[BanKs]  It makes sense to them bringing in Kerrigan.

1155
01:13:57,470 --> 01:14:07,203
[BanKs] From what I understood, this is a management
decision because obviously Falcons are pushing for
having the best team in the right position
possible.

1156
01:14:07,184 --> 01:14:07,524
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1157
01:14:08,769 --> 01:14:20,367
[BanKs] And what he has and what he's able to deliver for
them is going to be positive for them in the long
run.

1158
01:14:20,346 --> 01:14:28,466
[BanKs]  you know i see only i see only positives for this
because it fixes a lot of problems that i see on
the surface level for falcons

1159
01:14:30,944 --> 01:14:35,492
[Devilwalk]  So I agree long term, it might be a solution.

1160
01:14:35,993 --> 01:14:47,434
[Devilwalk] My kind of, I guess, to play devil's advocate a
little bit is Kerrigan comes from a very turbulent
time in phase.

1161
01:14:41,609 --> 01:14:48,614
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1162
01:14:48,561 --> 01:15:08,426
[Devilwalk]  it's been a long time it's very fatiguing to be
in that position for a longer period of time and
it usually means you need an extended break to
kind of get up to par to bring good ideas again
not be locked into kind of your brain thought and
thinking of fixing a team

1163
01:15:08,407 --> 01:15:26,871
[Devilwalk]  now it's about you know steady improvements and
then going into a new team I feel like this
fatigue if they don't start you know go up and
running instantly and things just start to click
very very quickly I think there's a risk to this
where Kerrigan

1164
01:15:14,092 --> 01:15:23,444
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1165
01:15:28,032 --> 01:15:29,574
[Devilwalk]  He's in a fatigued state.

1166
01:15:30,376 --> 01:15:37,929
[Devilwalk] And I'll tell you, IGLs don't get as much rest as
the rest of the team does normally in a team in
break time.

1167
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:35,833
[BanKs]  True.

1168
01:15:38,409 --> 01:15:40,193
[Devilwalk] It's a very short amount of break.

1169
01:15:40,514 --> 01:15:42,818
[Devilwalk] I would personally have rather...

1170
01:15:42,797 --> 01:15:53,195
[Devilwalk]  have stayed with Kiksan for the rest of the
season, signed Kerrigan, but it doesn't come into
effect until after summer break.

1171
01:15:53,176 --> 01:16:04,823
[Devilwalk]  give Kerrigan time to refresh, rest, bring ideas,
think about how he wants to do things in the team
instead of bringing him straight into the

1172
01:16:04,802 --> 01:16:15,976
[Devilwalk]  hot space or whatever you want to call it hot
seat from being in a very stressed pressured
situation

1173
01:16:10,016 --> 01:16:16,619
[BanKs]  Hot seat.

1174
01:16:15,957 --> 01:16:32,092
[Devilwalk]  into another kind of stress-pressed situation
because there's no one that has the amount of
pressure that Falcons have on them and getting
hated for semi-final finishes, third places,
fourth places, whatever you want to call it.

1175
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:16,820
[BanKs] Yeah.

1176
01:16:34,552 --> 01:16:46,182
[Devilwalk]  I worried that it might be like a mental health
fatigue rather than, you know, yes.

1177
01:16:44,391 --> 01:16:45,213
[BanKs]  Oh, for Kerrigan.

1178
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:47,400
[BanKs] Yeah.

1179
01:16:48,121 --> 01:16:50,085
[Devilwalk]  Rather than... That's my worry.

1180
01:16:50,326 --> 01:16:54,333
[Devilwalk] That's why I'm not 100% on the change and what
they've done.

1181
01:16:55,055 --> 01:16:55,737
[Devilwalk] I understand.

1182
01:16:55,817 --> 01:17:00,247
[Devilwalk] And it's also an opportunity Kerrigan cannot say
no to under any circumstances.

1183
01:16:57,029 --> 01:16:57,168
[BanKs] Mm-hmm.

1184
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:05,117
[Devilwalk] But I'm worried that if it doesn't kick off...

1185
01:17:06,886 --> 01:17:09,048
[Devilwalk]  It's going to be too draining.

1186
01:17:10,801 --> 01:17:17,511
[BanKs]  See, what I look here, right, is that Kerrigan
will be a bit more energy in the team, right?

1187
01:17:17,792 --> 01:17:19,574
[BanKs] A bit more respected, a bit more vocal.

1188
01:17:20,555 --> 01:17:28,167
[BanKs] And from what I heard, it doesn't seem like anyone
thought Kik Sam was the bad caller or the problem,
but he just wasn't right for this team.

1189
01:17:29,313 --> 01:17:36,791
[BanKs]  Now, obviously, Kerrigan and Nico have their
history, but just imagine if you're Kioski and
Manassi, you are going to do everything that's
needed there.

1190
01:17:37,091 --> 01:17:42,444
[BanKs] And the thing is, most people expected a Kiksan or
a Tessas to be the ones that get removed way
earlier than this, right?

1191
01:17:44,068 --> 01:17:46,073
[BanKs] Like with how this team's being built and...

1192
01:17:44,197 --> 01:17:49,784
[Devilwalk]  Well, just by a pattern recognition of how
Falcons work, yes.

1193
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:46,761
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1194
01:17:48,007 --> 01:17:50,136
[BanKs] Yeah, exactly.

1195
01:17:50,518 --> 01:17:56,703
[BanKs] So Kiksan now has got some, he's not bad, but I
mean, he's going to have to really be on his A
game with it.

1196
01:17:56,684 --> 01:18:13,917
[BanKs]  and there's going to be some movement on
positions right because like carrigan will not
carrigan's going to his positions that's it he
plays that and that's it i don't i can't imagine
there's any change in there but everyone will
follow on so oh like i can see what you're saying

1197
01:18:14,064 --> 01:18:18,213
[BanKs]  Because for sure, the Kerrigan's had such a
negative time, had such a negative downtime.

1198
01:18:14,875 --> 01:18:15,738
[Devilwalk]  It's just a worry.

1199
01:18:15,778 --> 01:18:24,126
[Devilwalk] Okay.

1200
01:18:18,533 --> 01:18:20,077
[BanKs] But he did take a bit of holiday time now, right?

1201
01:18:20,096 --> 01:18:22,322
[BanKs] He posted pictures with his wife on holiday,
chilling.

1202
01:18:23,304 --> 01:18:24,646
[BanKs] It's a very small amount of time.

1203
01:18:24,886 --> 01:18:25,849
[BanKs] I know, no, no, I know.

1204
01:18:25,889 --> 01:18:27,131
[BanKs] It's not enough to reset.

1205
01:18:27,653 --> 01:18:29,917
[BanKs] But I mean, this is the last hurrah.

1206
01:18:30,297 --> 01:18:32,021
[BanKs] This is his last dance, right?

1207
01:18:32,627 --> 01:18:38,099
[Devilwalk]  I'll tell you what an IGL does going into a new
project like this.

1208
01:18:32,944 --> 01:18:33,524
[BanKs] And maybe...

1209
01:18:38,128 --> 01:18:47,719
[BanKs]  In his mind.

1210
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:46,456
[Devilwalk] You think he's sitting on that vacation, not
thinking what he wants to do with his team,
writing down things that he thinks is important.

1211
01:18:46,735 --> 01:18:48,860
[Devilwalk] The first step, how do I create the foundation?

1212
01:18:49,903 --> 01:18:51,024
[Devilwalk] Like he's fucking...

1213
01:18:50,587 --> 01:18:51,530
[BanKs] Watching the demos.

1214
01:18:52,979 --> 01:18:56,766
[Devilwalk]  He might be on a vacation, but he's working, man.

1215
01:18:57,551 --> 01:19:13,367
[BanKs]  yeah okay okay but what do you think about what i
said though if it doesn't work out and you've
signed him for a long time and he just replaces
sonic that's a that's like that's a win-win for
falcons because then he's not going to be like
phases coach you know

1216
01:19:06,609 --> 01:19:08,153
[Devilwalk] Yeah, I think it's not a bad idea.

1217
01:19:12,502 --> 01:19:13,957
[Devilwalk]  At least you have the options.

1218
01:19:14,545 --> 01:19:16,609
[BanKs]  Yeah, there is definitely some options in there.

1219
01:19:17,050 --> 01:19:18,212
[BanKs] And that puts some pressure on Zonic.

1220
01:19:18,252 --> 01:19:22,480
[BanKs] And also for all the people that said like, think
of all the coaches that Kerrigan's had.

1221
01:19:22,541 --> 01:19:23,863
[BanKs] He doesn't need a strategy coach.

1222
01:19:24,826 --> 01:19:25,025
[BanKs] Yeah.

1223
01:19:26,167 --> 01:19:32,341
[BanKs] He'll just have Zonic as the pushing, happy, you
know, motivating team talk guy.

1224
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,545
[BanKs] And Kerrigan will do what he does.

1225
01:19:32,752 --> 01:19:36,884
[Devilwalk]  The thing is, like, okay, look at every single
team Kerrigan has done.

1226
01:19:37,462 --> 01:19:45,810
[BanKs]  Always succeed at the start.

1227
01:19:37,465 --> 01:19:39,430
[Devilwalk] What has he done in the beginning of his teams?

1228
01:19:42,918 --> 01:19:43,140
[Devilwalk] No.

1229
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:46,408
[Devilwalk] He hasn't always...

1230
01:19:45,831 --> 01:19:47,034
[BanKs] Faze hit the ground running.

1231
01:19:47,095 --> 01:19:48,340
[BanKs] Mouse hit the ground running.

1232
01:19:48,228 --> 01:19:54,225
[Devilwalk]  Every single team that he started with the first
couple of months, they've all switched positions.

1233
01:19:48,541 --> 01:19:49,564
[BanKs] Faze, when he came back, hit...

1234
01:19:55,297 --> 01:19:56,962
[BanKs]  Ah, move things around.

1235
01:19:56,411 --> 01:19:57,715
[Devilwalk] Constantly.

1236
01:19:57,063 --> 01:19:57,645
[BanKs] Okay.

1237
01:19:57,664 --> 01:19:58,929
[BanKs] But I said that they'll move anyway.

1238
01:20:00,056 --> 01:20:01,282
[Devilwalk]  But they do that.

1239
01:20:01,563 --> 01:20:07,104
[Devilwalk] I'm just saying... It's going to create a little
bit of chaos in the beginning.

1240
01:20:07,144 --> 01:20:09,112
[Devilwalk] Because that's how we want it.

1241
01:20:07,975 --> 01:20:08,076
[BanKs] Okay.

1242
01:20:09,131 --> 01:20:10,658
[Devilwalk] It wants people to understand...

1243
01:20:10,637 --> 01:20:27,279
[Devilwalk]  the even if you're a star player how the ram
player plays he wants the the ram player to
understand how yard plays and he wants to switch
things around to make sure that he has the pieces
in the right spot and if people do well they might
be able to play there you know he does this

1244
01:20:18,518 --> 01:20:18,979
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1245
01:20:27,260 --> 01:20:34,711
[Devilwalk]  Did it in mouse, did it in face, multiple times
until it clicks and it works.

1246
01:20:35,072 --> 01:20:36,573
[Devilwalk] And he's satisfied with it.

1247
01:20:37,055 --> 01:20:40,640
[Devilwalk] I'm just worried, does he even have the time to do
his normal procedures?

1248
01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:42,944
[Devilwalk] Does he have the time to play around with this?

1249
01:20:44,667 --> 01:20:46,128
[Devilwalk] I'm just worried about that part.

1250
01:20:46,530 --> 01:20:56,085
[BanKs]  yeah maybe maybe i was glazing too much because
like at the beginning of phase let me go back to
the very beginning of phase at the start no

1251
01:20:52,976 --> 01:20:57,453
[Devilwalk]  I don't think they were successful at the start
in many of the lineups.

1252
01:20:57,614 --> 01:20:59,783
[Devilwalk] I think it's always taken like two, three months.

1253
01:20:59,842 --> 01:21:02,412
[Devilwalk] They're testing positions, even in officials.

1254
01:21:01,802 --> 01:21:02,923
[BanKs]  I'll say successful.

1255
01:21:02,965 --> 01:21:04,185
[BanKs] First phase one, right?

1256
01:21:04,225 --> 01:21:06,349
[BanKs] First event was like third, third, fourth.

1257
01:21:07,090 --> 01:21:08,150
[BanKs] A lot of third, fourths.

1258
01:21:08,971 --> 01:21:10,975
[BanKs] And the first trophy didn't come until after a
while after.

1259
01:21:09,092 --> 01:21:13,444
[Devilwalk]  They had the fucking best, absolute best players
at that time.

1260
01:21:10,994 --> 01:21:11,095
[BanKs] Yeah.

1261
01:21:11,154 --> 01:21:15,381
[BanKs] Yeah, that was crazy.

1262
01:21:14,346 --> 01:21:14,967
[Devilwalk] Every position.

1263
01:21:16,002 --> 01:21:18,104
[BanKs] And then let's go to Mal's times.

1264
01:21:19,725 --> 01:21:21,769
[BanKs] So Mal's, let me find Mal's.

1265
01:21:22,347 --> 01:21:23,170
[Devilwalk] Mouses grind.

1266
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,725
[BanKs]  Malz was third, fourth.

1267
01:21:26,744 --> 01:21:27,246
[BanKs] Yeah, okay.

1268
01:21:27,265 --> 01:21:29,451
[BanKs] So it's a bit of a slow start before hitting the
wins.

1269
01:21:31,148 --> 01:21:41,832
[Devilwalk]  All right.

1270
01:21:32,136 --> 01:21:32,377
[BanKs] Yeah.

1271
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:34,461
[BanKs] See, I glazed them too much.

1272
01:21:35,904 --> 01:21:36,886
[BanKs] Oh, that'd be interesting.

1273
01:21:36,905 --> 01:21:38,307
[BanKs] I'm going to put you as a challenge then.

1274
01:21:38,469 --> 01:21:41,073
[BanKs] After the first games, how much changes in
Falcons?

1275
01:21:41,323 --> 01:21:42,606
[BanKs]  How much does things move around?

1276
01:21:43,228 --> 01:21:45,993
[BanKs] Because we already said they moved a lot anyway,
right?

1277
01:21:46,635 --> 01:21:47,296
[BanKs] They already did this.

1278
01:21:49,154 --> 01:21:58,100
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, and I'm expecting things to get moved
around because I just... It's just... For me, it's
the process Kerrigan has.

1279
01:21:49,921 --> 01:21:50,804
[BanKs] Is there a world?

1280
01:21:56,295 --> 01:21:57,578
[BanKs] But you don't think you'll be happy?

1281
01:21:58,890 --> 01:22:01,457
[BanKs]  But would he not be happy with where they're
playing right now?

1282
01:22:02,317 --> 01:22:08,497
[Devilwalk]  I don't think Kerrigan is an in-game leader that
just takes the fucking playbook of someone else
and just plays it.

1283
01:22:09,475 --> 01:22:15,309
[BanKs] Hmm.

1284
01:22:10,203 --> 01:22:14,739
[Devilwalk] I think that he will use this period, start now to
major,

1285
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:19,250
[Devilwalk]  to implement his foundation and put the goal for
next major.

1286
01:22:15,329 --> 01:22:15,550
[BanKs] Yep.

1287
01:22:20,051 --> 01:22:26,586
[Devilwalk] But what I'm worried about is that pressure going
to mount and with the stress situation that he's
been in,

1288
01:22:28,743 --> 01:22:32,814
[Devilwalk]  It's a little bit of a plus-plus situation for
me.

1289
01:22:33,114 --> 01:22:40,055
[Devilwalk] I think if he was refreshed and he had, you know,
everything, you know, he was relieved and
everything.

1290
01:22:34,987 --> 01:22:52,775
[BanKs]  okay let me let me ask you this then right
they're not going to the American events like
Blast Rivals but they're going to Astana and
they're going to CAC

1291
01:22:40,976 --> 01:22:43,444
[Devilwalk] Yeah, it's just my fantasy trying to match it.

1292
01:22:52,756 --> 01:22:53,957
[BanKs]  Astana's a bit more stacked.

1293
01:22:53,978 --> 01:22:57,604
[BanKs] There's Spirit there, there's Furia there, Aurora,
CAC.

1294
01:22:58,064 --> 01:23:01,551
[BanKs] It's just Falcons, Aurora, and Power Vision,
Mongols, Maus.

1295
01:23:02,332 --> 01:23:04,015
[BanKs] Could Falcons win either of those two events?

1296
01:23:04,796 --> 01:23:06,378
[BanKs] I feel like there's a chance they could win CAC.

1297
01:23:07,488 --> 01:23:09,729
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, but my question is not if.

1298
01:23:10,586 --> 01:23:10,966
[BanKs] No, no.

1299
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:11,929
[Devilwalk] If they don't,

1300
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:13,301
[BanKs]  What happens?

1301
01:23:13,341 --> 01:23:14,063
[BanKs] Yeah.

1302
01:23:14,082 --> 01:23:16,872
[BanKs] All right.

1303
01:23:17,432 --> 01:23:18,457
[BanKs] All right.

1304
01:23:18,476 --> 01:23:18,676
[BanKs] All right.

1305
01:23:18,697 --> 01:23:20,001
[BanKs] So that's the Falcons.

1306
01:23:20,904 --> 01:23:21,565
[BanKs] Carragher news.

1307
01:23:21,707 --> 01:23:22,829
[BanKs] A bit on kickstand.

1308
01:23:23,688 --> 01:23:26,953
[BanKs]  As I said, what was told to me is no one thinks
he's a bad leader.

1309
01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:31,421
[BanKs] This is just a opportunity circumstance, not the
right leader for this team.

1310
01:23:32,382 --> 01:23:33,425
[BanKs] So where does he go now?

1311
01:23:33,704 --> 01:23:36,109
[BanKs] Because he's very good.

1312
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:37,912
[BanKs] A lot of teams could benefit from him.

1313
01:23:38,313 --> 01:23:42,539
[BanKs] I would have actually said if Mouse Hunter really
announced their changes, maybe he could be the
kind of player to go to them.

1314
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,643
[BanKs]  but also he's going to need to be bought out at
the same time.

1315
01:23:49,456 --> 01:23:49,777
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

1316
01:23:51,349 --> 01:23:52,369
[BanKs] Any thoughts on where he might go?

1317
01:23:52,409 --> 01:23:56,095
[BanKs] If we look down at the top teams?

1318
01:23:54,426 --> 01:23:55,788
[Devilwalk] Who has a lot of money?

1319
01:23:57,778 --> 01:24:00,782
[BanKs] I don't know, because he's already had nearly two
years on the team, right?

1320
01:24:00,801 --> 01:24:03,145
[BanKs] So he can't have, it's not going to be huge as
contract.

1321
01:24:02,603 --> 01:24:06,029
[Devilwalk] Personally, my favorite location for him would be
Liquid.

1322
01:24:06,854 --> 01:24:09,297
[BanKs]  Oh, big shout.

1323
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:13,805
[BanKs] That's a bit of a step down for him, but that's a
team he could work with.

1324
01:24:16,110 --> 01:24:17,632
[BanKs] Oh, I like what you cooked there.

1325
01:24:19,779 --> 01:24:27,253
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, that's me.

1326
01:24:20,519 --> 01:24:21,520
[BanKs] Yeah, yeah.

1327
01:24:22,341 --> 01:24:23,023
[BanKs] I'll take that.

1328
01:24:24,606 --> 01:24:41,029
[BanKs]  surprisingly he didn't just go to face
surprisingly there wasn't some like bargaining
swap you know that could have been something that
went in there oh they definitely got paid for
carrigan

1329
01:24:27,694 --> 01:24:36,792
[Devilwalk] I feel like, you know, yes, there's been like
shouts, his face is running out of money, blah,
blah, blah.

1330
01:24:36,912 --> 01:24:39,476
[Devilwalk] You know, they invested a lot into this.

1331
01:24:41,752 --> 01:24:47,489
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, but it's just I'm not sure they're willing
to splash the cash right now.

1332
01:24:48,518 --> 01:24:48,958
[BanKs]  Okay.

1333
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:53,814
[BanKs] But if it was part of the trade deal, you know?

1334
01:24:52,967 --> 01:24:54,192
[Devilwalk] Well, it's obviously not.

1335
01:24:55,018 --> 01:24:56,844
[BanKs] Yeah, I mean, that could have been an option.

1336
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:05,936
[Devilwalk]  I mean, maybe it was a thing where they offered a
trade deal, but Kiksan said no, because he's like,
I don't want to join that fucking sinking ship.

1337
01:24:56,965 --> 01:24:57,707
[BanKs] Could have been an option.

1338
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:01,920
[BanKs] Yeah.

1339
01:25:07,925 --> 01:25:08,966
[BanKs]  Oh, man.

1340
01:25:08,988 --> 01:25:15,181
[BanKs] Yeah, and also, by the way, Twist is now going to
be IGL for the next event with Nature coming in.

1341
01:25:13,211 --> 01:25:13,631
[Devilwalk] Great.

1342
01:25:16,225 --> 01:25:19,993
[BanKs] Official Nature to stand in for FaZe for Blast
Rivals Fort Worth.

1343
01:25:20,494 --> 01:25:22,659
[BanKs] And their first game is against...

1344
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:39,449
[BanKs]  navi so twist igl jacob brokey frozen nature and
nkj as a coach i don't know what state they're
going to be in imagine if they just come out
swinging somehow though

1345
01:25:30,975 --> 01:25:41,509
[Devilwalk]  It's like Kerrigan is the problem kind of deal.

1346
01:25:42,755 --> 01:25:43,858
[BanKs]  They've got a point to prove.

1347
01:25:44,137 --> 01:25:49,811
[BanKs] By the way, did you see all the bullshit about
like, oh, no one publicly wished him good luck or
stuff like this?

1348
01:25:49,912 --> 01:25:52,719
[BanKs] And obviously then there was twist discord
messages and stuff as well.

1349
01:25:52,798 --> 01:25:59,333
[BanKs] Like personally, I feel like him, Frozen, Brokey,
I think everyone on that team would have such a
good relationship with Kerrigan.

1350
01:25:59,354 --> 01:26:00,898
[BanKs] I'm not worried about them.

1351
01:26:00,877 --> 01:26:04,122
[BanKs]  saying things to each other, like discussing
these things.

1352
01:26:02,667 --> 01:26:22,617
[Devilwalk]  it's obviously a really really shitty period for
these players in FaZe this is we're all like
sometimes that happens and sometimes people need
time to digest it and just like I was mad the
first week now I'm good

1353
01:26:04,543 --> 01:26:06,447
[BanKs] This is business and it's the end of his career.

1354
01:26:09,652 --> 01:26:09,851
[BanKs] Yeah.

1355
01:26:18,606 --> 01:26:18,886
[BanKs] Mm hmm.

1356
01:26:21,685 --> 01:26:38,731
[BanKs]  but I don't know I feel like most of them would
be smart enough to think that like this is the end
of his career this is business he's also got to do
what's best for him because he's done a lot of
sacrifice in letting all these other things happen
you know also the other thing

1357
01:26:22,596 --> 01:26:24,341
[Devilwalk]  Blah blah blah.

1358
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,131
[Devilwalk] It's just normal.

1359
01:26:37,547 --> 01:26:45,091
[Devilwalk]  But it does put FaZe, like, the lineup itself
into this, like, okay, we're this shit, you know?

1360
01:26:43,555 --> 01:26:44,516
[BanKs]  Complete, yeah.

1361
01:26:45,152 --> 01:26:47,579
[Devilwalk] Like, just fucking bailed on us.

1362
01:26:46,399 --> 01:26:46,661
[BanKs] Yeah.

1363
01:26:49,786 --> 01:26:50,027
[BanKs] Yeah.

1364
01:26:49,887 --> 01:26:49,988
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

1365
01:26:51,208 --> 01:26:58,801
[BanKs] But also, part of this, yeah, remember there was a
time where Carrigan was the be-all and end-all of
all changes decision-making.

1366
01:26:59,243 --> 01:26:59,444
[BanKs] Yeah?

1367
01:27:00,164 --> 01:27:00,265
[BanKs] Yeah.

1368
01:27:00,244 --> 01:27:07,305
[BanKs]  And then it changed where he wasn't and changes
were happening, like Neo being kicked, Ropz being
let go, like all these things happening.

1369
01:27:08,868 --> 01:27:14,625
[BanKs] And he kind of got, he lost his range, you know,
he lost his control of it.

1370
01:27:16,123 --> 01:27:18,963
[BanKs]  I'm guessing Falcons was probably in agreement
there that he gets some of that control.

1371
01:27:18,984 --> 01:27:20,716
[BanKs] I mean, that could be a factor.

1372
01:27:22,823 --> 01:27:25,019
[Devilwalk]  I don't know.

1373
01:27:26,046 --> 01:27:28,141
[Devilwalk] I think we can spin on this forever.

1374
01:27:28,055 --> 01:27:29,581
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1375
01:27:29,601 --> 01:27:31,890
[BanKs] Well, let's move to Maus then because the Maus one
is wild.

1376
01:27:32,332 --> 01:27:37,997
[BanKs] So Maus set for major overhaul as Zelix is
promoted and Jail joins on loan.

1377
01:27:38,364 --> 01:27:39,305
[BanKs]  This is crazy.

1378
01:27:40,007 --> 01:27:43,393
[BanKs] This one is the one I just, I don't know how we
got here.

1379
01:27:44,054 --> 01:27:44,975
[BanKs] I don't know how it happened.

1380
01:27:45,657 --> 01:27:48,341
[BanKs] But like, you're playing with effectively.

1381
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:49,282
[BanKs] So look at this, right?

1382
01:27:49,362 --> 01:27:51,586
[BanKs] Mouses lineup for PGL Astana and CAC.

1383
01:27:52,006 --> 01:27:54,631
[BanKs] Zershon, Torzy, Spinks, Zelex, JL.

1384
01:27:54,650 --> 01:27:57,876
[BanKs] So Zelex obviously coming from the Academy team,
quite a hype top player right now.

1385
01:27:57,855 --> 01:28:05,047
[BanKs]  And then their temporary roster for the season
ending at IM Cologne Major will be Zershan, Torzy,
Spinks, Zelex, Brolan.

1386
01:28:05,568 --> 01:28:11,056
[BanKs] Now I spoke to JL and he's keen on joining the
team.

1387
01:28:11,157 --> 01:28:13,000
[BanKs] Like his goal would be to join the team.

1388
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:14,042
[BanKs] Obviously he's...

1389
01:28:14,021 --> 01:28:32,570
[BanKs]  a bench player on navi right so he wants to come
back so he's going to try and prove himself in
astana and cac 100 but then they roland knows he's
being benched you bring him back for the major why
you have your core free no

1390
01:28:22,408 --> 01:28:37,667
[Devilwalk]  they have to but no you can only swap out one for
the major

1391
01:28:35,032 --> 01:28:36,515
[BanKs]  Zershin towards these Spinks.

1392
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:39,601
[BanKs] Ah, yeah.

1393
01:28:39,721 --> 01:28:41,246
[BanKs] Yeah, because of the sub rule.

1394
01:28:43,029 --> 01:28:43,770
[BanKs] Damn.

1395
01:28:44,869 --> 01:28:59,954
[Devilwalk]  But yeah.

1396
01:28:45,414 --> 01:28:49,103
[BanKs] And by the way, YymFat, all these rumors about
YymFat going and not going.

1397
01:28:50,445 --> 01:28:51,488
[BanKs] What's going to happen now?

1398
01:28:53,256 --> 01:28:54,559
[BanKs]  Someone's going to surely pick him up.

1399
01:28:54,578 --> 01:28:57,385
[BanKs] But like, is he the straight in for Falcons again
over Tess's?

1400
01:28:59,975 --> 01:29:02,018
[Devilwalk] No, I don't know.

1401
01:29:03,836 --> 01:29:04,738
[BanKs] But it was all these rumors.

1402
01:29:05,078 --> 01:29:08,505
[BanKs] All these rumors confirmed by multiple people.

1403
01:29:09,567 --> 01:29:10,609
[BanKs] Information put out there.

1404
01:29:10,929 --> 01:29:12,070
[BanKs] And he stayed with Malz.

1405
01:29:12,311 --> 01:29:12,953
[BanKs] And now...

1406
01:29:13,725 --> 01:29:19,756
[Devilwalk]  Either way, if we talk about just the mouse, I
think the change, they're changing too.

1407
01:29:20,057 --> 01:29:21,220
[Devilwalk] I think that's positive.

1408
01:29:21,260 --> 01:29:24,005
[Devilwalk] There's obviously a lot of fatigue with this
lineup.

1409
01:29:24,104 --> 01:29:25,707
[Devilwalk] They can't work out the solutions.

1410
01:29:24,694 --> 01:29:31,735
[BanKs]  Yep.

1411
01:29:25,768 --> 01:29:27,270
[Devilwalk] They don't know how to progress.

1412
01:29:28,613 --> 01:29:30,355
[Devilwalk] That means usually you have to change too.

1413
01:29:31,278 --> 01:29:32,460
[Devilwalk] Now,

1414
01:29:31,756 --> 01:29:31,836
[BanKs] Yep.

1415
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:40,295
[Devilwalk]  I was a little bit disappointed in, you know, I
thought, well, there's only two decisions to make
here.

1416
01:29:40,935 --> 01:29:48,029
[Devilwalk] There's either putting Sertian on IGL or kicking
Sertian and keeping Brolan, but moving him in a
different position and bringing in IGL.

1417
01:29:46,024 --> 01:30:05,603
[BanKs]  Mal's not known to spend big money

1418
01:29:49,393 --> 01:29:49,672
[Devilwalk] Um,

1419
01:29:51,087 --> 01:30:10,141
[Devilwalk]  and i wonder if mouse lineup is temporary maybe
even a kick sun could join this lineup could be a
great addition as an igl and because no true but
it could be just alone

1420
01:30:11,235 --> 01:30:11,612
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1421
01:30:12,282 --> 01:30:16,216
[Devilwalk]  deal either way I think

1422
01:30:17,512 --> 01:30:25,864
[Devilwalk]  They were in this point where the team had run
its course and they needed bigger changes and this
is what we're seeing right now.

1423
01:30:27,747 --> 01:30:29,930
[Devilwalk] We've all talked about it for ages.

1424
01:30:30,150 --> 01:30:36,939
[Devilwalk] I think it's kind of funny though, the statement
of the addition of JL will help our team with an
outgoing personality.

1425
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:53,712
[Devilwalk]  like it's like it to me it just goes into this
aura debate again like that's why we signed them
we just loan him for some aura uh i just found
that like incredibly funny uh either way

1426
01:30:37,358 --> 01:30:37,720
[BanKs]  Yep.

1427
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,448
[BanKs] No, we're not allowed to say that anymore,
remember?

1428
01:30:52,951 --> 01:31:06,252
[BanKs]  But I'll say on that bit, right, about the
outgoing personality, I will agree that in bigger
moments, like we see so much reliance on Torsi to
be that vocal one, JL does that without that being
forced.

1429
01:31:06,518 --> 01:31:11,426
[BanKs]  You know, for me, that's I know JL so well
personally that like that's his personality.

1430
01:31:07,378 --> 01:31:07,639
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

1431
01:31:12,127 --> 01:31:14,393
[BanKs] That is that doesn't need to be asked of him.

1432
01:31:14,792 --> 01:31:15,614
[BanKs] That just happens.

1433
01:31:16,235 --> 01:31:17,417
[BanKs] He will pop off in these moments.

1434
01:31:17,457 --> 01:31:19,322
[BanKs] He will win you some crazy unwinnable rounds.

1435
01:31:19,783 --> 01:31:23,408
[BanKs] He will do something that then like he propels the
team forward.

1436
01:31:23,448 --> 01:31:26,534
[BanKs] We saw it so many times on that dominant Navi of
2024.

1437
01:31:26,515 --> 01:31:40,051
[BanKs]  you know so like that is something that's going
to be a boost and help for them for sure i will
say this on cyclone right so cyclone put a tweet
out and said on my decision regarding our roster
i'll read the whole thing because i'll give them
the respect on this

1438
01:31:40,032 --> 01:31:55,475
[BanKs]  he says today we made the difficult decision to
move forward with changes to our lineup and bench
two players these moments are never easy because
roster decisions are never only about performance
on a scoreboard they involve people who have
invested their time energy identity and heart into
this team

1439
01:31:55,556 --> 01:32:11,337
[BanKs]  so with that right i think that's a bit of like
he he may even admit here this is me just reading
into it so it's not what he said he's never
messaged me about it but is there a moment where
he thought maybe i gave this too much time maybe i
should have made a change after austin major or
something like that you know

1440
01:32:11,318 --> 01:32:15,046
[BanKs]  So he said, first, I want to especially thank
Ludwig, obviously Brolan.

1441
01:32:15,828 --> 01:32:18,512
[BanKs] What he has given to this group deserves real
recognition.

1442
01:32:18,554 --> 01:32:20,237
[BanKs] The way he sacrificed himself for the team.

1443
01:32:20,256 --> 01:32:21,680
[BanKs] Remember, his performance was so good.

1444
01:32:21,699 --> 01:32:24,365
[BanKs] And then obviously, you know, he goes into IGL
mode.

1445
01:32:24,345 --> 01:32:30,951
[BanKs]  The passion he has shown and the consistency with
which he tried to lead in every phase, especially
through difficult moments, has been exceptional.

1446
01:32:30,990 --> 01:32:35,368
[BanKs] He stepped into responsibility, embraced pressure
and grew tremendously as a leader.

1447
01:32:35,347 --> 01:32:43,086
[BanKs]  The truth is this decision is not fair to him on
a personal level, but leadership sometimes means
accepting that fairness and necessity are not
always the same thing.

1448
01:32:43,546 --> 01:32:47,074
[BanKs] Right now we believe that this is what the team
needs in order to move forward.

1449
01:32:47,756 --> 01:32:48,278
[BanKs] Okay.

1450
01:32:48,257 --> 01:32:53,327
[BanKs]  I would also like to thank Jimmy for stepping
into his very first tier one atmosphere and
delivering as he has.

1451
01:32:53,707 --> 01:33:01,841
[BanKs] He played a crucial role for us to have so many
deep tournament runs and to have that many playoff
appearances at such an early age.

1452
01:33:02,021 --> 01:33:04,145
[BanKs] Nobody can deny the career he will have in front
of him.

1453
01:33:04,445 --> 01:33:05,828
[BanKs] He poses mechanically.

1454
01:33:05,807 --> 01:33:08,957
[BanKs]  A mechanical ability and a likeness to him that
few have.

1455
01:33:09,418 --> 01:33:11,425
[BanKs] Always approachable and willingness to listen.

1456
01:33:11,546 --> 01:33:16,239
[BanKs] He brought joy, heart and character to the group
and that deserves recognition.

1457
01:33:16,220 --> 01:33:20,345
[BanKs]  It is also important to say that our recent
results were never about one person or two people.

1458
01:33:20,947 --> 01:33:23,871
[BanKs] Success and failure in a team environment are
always multifactorial.

1459
01:33:24,671 --> 01:33:26,033
[BanKs] We all share responsibility.

1460
01:33:26,414 --> 01:33:30,701
[BanKs] Staff, players, structure, momentum, confidence,
outside pressure, all of it plays a role.

1461
01:33:31,081 --> 01:33:33,704
[BanKs] No single player should carry the weight of that
story alone.

1462
01:33:33,685 --> 01:33:35,328
[BanKs]  I also want to say something beyond the game.

1463
01:33:35,389 --> 01:33:38,777
[BanKs] These players are young talents, but first and
foremost, they are human beings.

1464
01:33:39,158 --> 01:33:39,899
[BanKs] This is their life.

1465
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:44,350
[BanKs] They give everything they have to compete, improve
and represent this organization.

1466
01:33:44,851 --> 01:33:50,125
[BanKs] I would wish for a little more humanity from the
outside when judging them, especially in difficult
periods.

1467
01:33:50,104 --> 01:34:04,467
[BanKs]  to the players effective you have my respect
gratitude what you give this team matters and it
will continue to matter once again thank you
ludwig and jimmy so very nice message in there
obviously he's like like anyone who's probably in
the males camp they would they would hate how much
they've been

1468
01:33:58,305 --> 01:33:58,533
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

1469
01:34:05,713 --> 01:34:24,077
[BanKs]  spoken about in certain ways even on this podcast
or other podcasts or by commentators whoever right
but it's like that's part of it that's what they
have to deal with because they're they were
expected to do better they had the potential to do
better now i'm just glad they finally pulled the
trigger you know

1470
01:34:25,052 --> 01:34:27,637
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, I think it was a great message from
Cyclone.

1471
01:34:28,158 --> 01:34:29,981
[Devilwalk] A lot of respect for that.

1472
01:34:30,703 --> 01:34:31,444
[Devilwalk] I think it's great.

1473
01:34:31,465 --> 01:34:34,810
[Devilwalk] He's kind of trying to take off some pressure for
these players.

1474
01:34:34,871 --> 01:34:45,069
[Devilwalk] They've obviously been under immense pressure from
talent to community to, you know, they've been a
team that a lot of people have memed on for years.

1475
01:34:45,050 --> 01:35:01,135
[Devilwalk]  personally kind of weird reasons but I've kind of
joined in sometimes as well so I'm not gonna you
know say everyone's wrong but it's been a little
bit tough for them and sometimes unfairly

1476
01:34:56,136 --> 01:34:56,529
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1477
01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:21,823
[BanKs]  definitely and we're in one of our last pieces of
news we need to look at fallen's retirement in
here because obviously a legend of the game he's
offered so much not just for fingers a lot of this
was obviously because the way he did it was about
the brazil scene and obviously how much he's loved
and adored there right he's like one of the
biggest

1478
01:35:21,802 --> 01:35:38,091
[BanKs]  brazilian celebrities in the world but he's also
done a lot for counter-strike and we can't deny
that in any way right the fact he almost ended his
career multiple times you know he had the last
dance and then he had what was going to be
potentially a time he would step away

1479
01:35:26,899 --> 01:35:27,180
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

1480
01:35:38,356 --> 01:35:39,761
[Devilwalk] It's going to be a last last dance.

1481
01:35:40,146 --> 01:35:48,671
[BanKs]  now we got a last dance with official days and
everything i'll say this right you know when his
wife went on the stage she's obviously heard this
from him multiple times that like

1482
01:35:49,310 --> 01:35:50,353
[BanKs]  I am going to retire.

1483
01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:51,114
[BanKs] And then he hasn't.

1484
01:35:51,576 --> 01:35:53,561
[BanKs] I feel like she finally knows that this is it.

1485
01:35:53,582 --> 01:35:54,664
[BanKs] Like this is, we're actually there.

1486
01:35:55,127 --> 01:35:56,229
[BanKs] And just to be honest, right?

1487
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:59,680
[BanKs] As a dad myself, Fallon is now 34 years old.

1488
01:35:59,699 --> 01:36:00,521
[BanKs] He's been married a long time.

1489
01:36:00,542 --> 01:36:03,369
[BanKs] He's been with this woman a hell of a long time
since he was so young.

1490
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:22,337
[BanKs]  she's sat there thinking um baby time hello like
this is just my opinion yeah but i mean there's
definitely a thing in his head of like you said
you're gonna retire we should probably start a
family i would like to start a family as most
women do right not all of them can't just say
everyone does but like this is all a thing that
comes into it so for her it's probably like

1491
01:36:22,317 --> 01:36:23,680
[BanKs]  oh, finally, we're there.

1492
01:36:23,940 --> 01:36:25,985
[BanKs] We're going to get the actual time to do it all.

1493
01:36:26,346 --> 01:36:30,337
[BanKs] But then he even said, right, I want to help
people change their lives through Counter-Strike
and other games.

1494
01:36:30,377 --> 01:36:32,561
[BanKs] So he's obviously got bigger ideas and projects.

1495
01:36:32,622 --> 01:36:37,113
[BanKs] Already he has Fallen Gear where he makes mice,
keyboards, mousepads, mainly available in Brazil.

1496
01:36:37,453 --> 01:36:38,537
[BanKs] But like,

1497
01:36:38,685 --> 01:36:40,009
[BanKs]  He's set for life anyway.

1498
01:36:40,048 --> 01:36:48,568
[BanKs] He can end his career on a high, probably much
higher than he expected considering where he was
at before Furia and even before Molotov and
Jakinda joined, right?

1499
01:36:40,811 --> 01:36:41,072
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

1500
01:36:49,470 --> 01:36:53,599
[BanKs] So to me, this was the right timing to do it.

1501
01:36:53,639 --> 01:36:55,403
[BanKs] It was sad he couldn't clinch one major.

1502
01:36:55,422 --> 01:36:57,807
[BanKs] Like if they won Budapest, I think he retires
then.

1503
01:36:58,243 --> 01:36:59,547
[BanKs]  You know, like an instant retire.

1504
01:36:59,929 --> 01:37:00,652
[BanKs] He would love that.

1505
01:37:01,073 --> 01:37:08,457
[BanKs] But there is still a chance for him maybe to get
one trophy, two trophies more if the team can
really go absolutely...

1506
01:37:08,436 --> 01:37:22,412
[BanKs]  next level for him when doing it yeah um but like
this is this is one of those people where the term
legend is not like small this is a this is a big
thing and bro also

1507
01:37:18,916 --> 01:37:36,114
[Devilwalk]  no no of course he's gonna speak just be happy if
I can switch to English man yeah

1508
01:37:22,391 --> 01:37:29,635
[BanKs]  if you're one of these idiots that was
complaining that he did half the thing in
Portuguese like this was in his arena his people
of course he's going to do it all in Portuguese

1509
01:37:32,145 --> 01:37:33,548
[BanKs]  Yeah, we got a little bit from it.

1510
01:37:33,569 --> 01:37:33,949
[BanKs] And guess what?

1511
01:37:33,989 --> 01:37:35,292
[BanKs] The translation came out afterwards.

1512
01:37:35,894 --> 01:37:40,302
[BanKs] I felt, I don't know about you, I almost cried
watching it because I was emotional for him.

1513
01:37:39,554 --> 01:37:42,399
[Devilwalk]  I got emotional watching it.

1514
01:37:40,363 --> 01:37:44,451
[BanKs] Bro, I was like, wow.

1515
01:37:42,559 --> 01:37:43,381
[Devilwalk] It was beautiful.

1516
01:37:44,430 --> 01:37:50,166
[BanKs]  And obviously for him who's tried to retire so
many times and then it hit, like it must have been
so hard for him to go through.

1517
01:37:50,405 --> 01:37:50,667
[BanKs] Yeah.

1518
01:37:51,207 --> 01:37:53,595
[BanKs] Because now it's the realization it's actually
happening.

1519
01:37:53,635 --> 01:37:56,681
[BanKs] Like there's a date, there's a number behind it,
you know.

1520
01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:54,340
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

1521
01:37:59,045 --> 01:38:03,974
[Devilwalk]  It's a, it's, I mean, there's so much to digest
here.

1522
01:37:59,529 --> 01:38:00,431
[BanKs] What are your thoughts on it?

1523
01:38:04,796 --> 01:38:07,060
[Devilwalk] Fallen is absolute legend of the game.

1524
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:19,061
[Devilwalk] It's not only, you know, his in-game leader has
been, you know, one of the most dangerous awpers,
had this unique style, very quick, kind of like...

1525
01:38:19,042 --> 01:38:39,007
[Devilwalk]  you know very snappy huge big game player there's
there's so many ingredients to Fallen his
leadership he's an emotional leader he's uh he's a
real captain and leader in that sense you know
people believe in him people get better under him
there's a lot of you know

1526
01:38:24,171 --> 01:38:37,287
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1527
01:38:40,372 --> 01:38:42,037
[Devilwalk]  He's a great person as well.

1528
01:38:42,056 --> 01:38:46,007
[Devilwalk] There's so much things to like about Fallen and
what he's done for the game.

1529
01:38:46,028 --> 01:38:52,626
[Devilwalk] And I'm not even sure, even though we hype him up
now as how big he is,

1530
01:38:52,605 --> 01:38:58,038
[Devilwalk]  I'm not really sure we really understand how huge
of an impact he's actually had on this game.

1531
01:38:58,078 --> 01:39:03,291
[Devilwalk] Now, just trying to summarize this in a short few
words, I think

1532
01:38:58,882 --> 01:38:59,243
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1533
01:39:05,127 --> 01:39:21,717
[Devilwalk]  he's been immense for not only european
counter-strike but world counter-strike brazilian
counter-strike north american counter-strike he
has so much influence in different kind of spheres
of this world

1534
01:39:21,698 --> 01:39:28,028
[Devilwalk]  that is beyond us to speak about in some sense.

1535
01:39:22,002 --> 01:39:22,323
[BanKs]  Yep.

1536
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:34,497
[Devilwalk] It's really hard to find words for what this
person has brought to the game.

1537
01:39:29,212 --> 01:39:29,311
[BanKs] Yeah.

1538
01:39:35,059 --> 01:39:39,926
[Devilwalk] And we can only salute him, wish him well, and...

1539
01:39:41,256 --> 01:39:43,381
[Devilwalk]  you know, remember the good times, I guess.

1540
01:39:45,221 --> 01:39:46,166
[BanKs]  Remember the good times.

1541
01:39:46,527 --> 01:39:48,172
[BanKs] You must have had times playing against him,
right?

1542
01:39:48,829 --> 01:39:50,252
[Devilwalk] Yes, I've played against him.

1543
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:50,240
[BanKs] Yeah.

1544
01:39:51,405 --> 01:39:53,393
[BanKs] And like, I remember the first interview.

1545
01:39:52,296 --> 01:39:56,682
[Devilwalk] I've also got him coached by FalleN, if you
remember that story.

1546
01:39:56,225 --> 01:40:09,559
[BanKs]  i remember yes i remember you saying that and bro
i there was um the gfinity um sivo event in 2016
first time i got to interview him first time i got
to meet him and see him back all that just 10
years ago i've known him and been doing interviews

1547
01:40:09,538 --> 01:40:22,164
[BanKs]  and stuff with him right always fantastic at
doing it always started interviews in his own way
right like hi everyone you know like it started in
a different way to what other people were doing
interviews yep

1548
01:40:17,470 --> 01:40:18,733
[Devilwalk]  But it's crazy.

1549
01:40:19,293 --> 01:40:32,503
[Devilwalk] He's been pro in 1.6, CS Source, CSGO, CS2, and I
think another game called like... It's some other
strike game.

1550
01:40:33,246 --> 01:40:34,668
[Devilwalk] I think it's like an Asian...

1551
01:40:35,645 --> 01:40:36,809
[BanKs]  Or like Counter Strike Online?

1552
01:40:37,787 --> 01:40:50,176
[Devilwalk]  no it's like it's it's it's a variation game that
has also been proven proven yeah

1553
01:40:38,997 --> 01:40:39,980
[BanKs] That was like very Chinese.

1554
01:40:43,091 --> 01:40:43,713
[BanKs] I didn't know that.

1555
01:40:45,667 --> 01:40:46,550
[BanKs]  I didn't even know that.

1556
01:40:46,951 --> 01:40:47,551
[BanKs] That's crazy.

1557
01:40:48,293 --> 01:40:49,155
[BanKs] That's actually crazy.

1558
01:40:51,721 --> 01:40:53,806
[BanKs] But yeah, the thing is, he'll still stay around,
right?

1559
01:40:54,547 --> 01:40:58,717
[BanKs] The thing is, him to go to coaching doesn't make
any sense, right?

1560
01:40:58,757 --> 01:41:01,904
[BanKs] Obviously, from what he said in all these
interviews and this stuff,

1561
01:41:00,703 --> 01:41:04,099
[Devilwalk]  Probably he's probably pretty done with it right
now.

1562
01:41:03,994 --> 01:41:14,257
[BanKs]  travel yeah but i don't think for the traveling
stuff he doesn't need to um supposedly he's going
to join fury as like a bit more of a content
creator into streaming he is the first person who
could rival gaulus

1563
01:41:14,507 --> 01:41:16,993
[BanKs]  More people, in my opinion, were tuning into
FalleN than Gaulez.

1564
01:41:17,735 --> 01:41:19,359
[BanKs] Gaulez has gone into more traditional sports.

1565
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,465
[BanKs] You've seen he's doing F1 and other things anyway.

1566
01:41:21,966 --> 01:41:25,716
[BanKs] Imagine FalleN just fills the gap to just do CS
and maybe only the very biggest events.

1567
01:41:25,695 --> 01:41:40,617
[BanKs]  and then moves on like and has his family time
and set up his other projects he's a smart
businessman as well and his family are there like
his his brother i talk to quite a bit he's the one
who always runs like the fallen store and all that
side so they're set up they know what they're
doing we'll still see him around but like

1568
01:41:40,596 --> 01:41:41,578
[BanKs]  He's done it.

1569
01:41:41,779 --> 01:41:43,542
[BanKs] And by the way, am I crazy?

1570
01:41:43,563 --> 01:41:44,203
[BanKs] Am I correct?

1571
01:41:44,645 --> 01:41:48,731
[BanKs] He must be the highest ever placing IGL in the top
20.

1572
01:41:49,554 --> 01:41:52,640
[BanKs] He hit number two in the world in 2016.

1573
01:41:53,590 --> 01:42:13,319
[Devilwalk]  i think so uh gla1ve was what fourth or maybe no
i don't know eighth

1574
01:41:54,082 --> 01:41:55,805
[BanKs] There can't have been an IGL higher than that.

1575
01:41:57,649 --> 01:41:59,533
[BanKs] Cold was first and then he was two, right?

1576
01:42:10,077 --> 01:42:27,882
[BanKs]  there's no way like glaive wasn't glaive gonna
win that yeah so that's like bro he's he's on a
whole other level whole other level it's crazy
yeah

1577
01:42:15,072 --> 01:42:15,693
[Devilwalk]  A, if he was.

1578
01:42:23,667 --> 01:42:23,908
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

1579
01:42:24,009 --> 01:42:28,778
[Devilwalk] He's basically the grandfather of sniping IGLs in
CSGO, at least.

1580
01:42:29,347 --> 01:42:30,350
[BanKs]  Yeah, definitely.

1581
01:42:31,695 --> 01:42:33,000
[BanKs] Well, wish him the best of luck.

1582
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:38,457
[BanKs] It's going to be interesting to see how Fury will
deal with all of this, but we'll touch on that
more across future episodes as we go through it
all.

1583
01:42:39,340 --> 01:42:42,430
[BanKs] There's also one other thing we're going to say is
for our...

1584
01:42:42,409 --> 01:42:44,055
[BanKs]  I'm not going to call it an ad read.

1585
01:42:44,076 --> 01:42:48,090
[BanKs] This is for one of the guys who works in the back
end of our podcast.

1586
01:42:48,190 --> 01:42:49,194
[BanKs] Ivan, a good friend of ours.

1587
01:42:49,213 --> 01:42:50,720
[BanKs] He says, go to CS.

1588
01:42:51,001 --> 01:42:52,365
[BanKs] You put the fucking text devil.

1589
01:42:52,405 --> 01:42:54,192
[BanKs] Move your fucking cursor.

1590
01:42:54,509 --> 01:42:56,932
[BanKs]  I can't read when your name is across the
document.

1591
01:42:57,033 --> 01:42:58,114
[BanKs] Yeah, I can't do that.

1592
01:42:58,837 --> 01:43:05,788
[BanKs] It says, go to CSPins.shop to check out the pins
from CSGO Majors that our producer is selling
right now.

1593
01:43:06,730 --> 01:43:11,498
[BanKs] The reason we're saying that is because obviously
he does a lot for the channel and helps us out,
but also these are some incredibly rare pins.

1594
01:43:11,559 --> 01:43:14,104
[BanKs] Some of us, if you're around at the early days,
we're able to collect these.

1595
01:43:14,083 --> 01:43:17,690
[BanKs]  But like Anders was selling his not too long ago
and people instantly bought them.

1596
01:43:15,922 --> 01:43:17,715
[Devilwalk]  I have some at home at least.

1597
01:43:18,332 --> 01:43:19,675
[BanKs] Yeah, I've still got mine as well.

1598
01:43:20,457 --> 01:43:24,824
[BanKs] So if you're interested in that kind of thing, if
you're into the skins, the pins and all that kind
of thing, check them out.

1599
01:43:25,105 --> 01:43:26,729
[BanKs] This guy's got them up for grabs for you.

1600
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:28,412
[BanKs] And that brings us before we go.

1601
01:43:28,431 --> 01:43:31,198
[BanKs] So we've got Q&A and we've got the Blast Rivals in
here.

1602
01:43:31,637 --> 01:43:33,983
[BanKs] Blast Rivals is going to be a bit of a weird one.

1603
01:43:33,962 --> 01:43:38,662
[BanKs]  By the way, this was one of the events where I
could actually work it in terms of dates.

1604
01:43:39,002 --> 01:43:45,087
[BanKs] I'm working again, but I wasn't able to go because
I needed a visa for America and I couldn't get the
visa.

1605
01:43:45,067 --> 01:44:04,273
[BanKs]  for people i saw people commenting on the hrtv
post like oh when's banks back um yeah i'm not i
still have to wait because this is a visa one so
only people working that event is ones who have
american visas which is why i think shocks is
there ian's got his from rainbow six i guess um
but don't worry i am coming back this will go back
to normality afterwards so

1606
01:43:45,302 --> 01:43:45,662
[Devilwalk]  Oh.

1607
01:44:04,252 --> 01:44:05,640
[BanKs]  Let's look at this, right?

1608
01:44:06,532 --> 01:44:12,462
[BanKs]  Vitality, Na'Vi, Furia, Astralis, Foot, G2, FaZe,
and Gamer Legion.

1609
01:44:12,483 --> 01:44:14,627
[BanKs] Pretty stacked, but it's only eight-team event.

1610
01:44:15,228 --> 01:44:19,435
[BanKs] It's also a playoffs where we're only getting six
teams in playoffs again, right?

1611
01:44:19,475 --> 01:44:21,519
[BanKs] Teams that go straight through to the semis as
well.

1612
01:44:21,639 --> 01:44:26,547
[BanKs] So that old predicament, that's just the way Blast
run it.

1613
01:44:26,528 --> 01:44:26,904
[BanKs]  Thank you.

1614
01:44:27,591 --> 01:44:29,595
[BanKs]  I will say this is a vitality event to win.

1615
01:44:29,695 --> 01:44:30,997
[BanKs] None of these teams are even close.

1616
01:44:31,599 --> 01:44:32,600
[BanKs] It's not going to be an option.

1617
01:44:33,242 --> 01:44:37,810
[BanKs] Game Legion getting a chance to go through because
obviously so many teams declined the invite to
this, to be clear, right?

1618
01:44:38,570 --> 01:44:42,158
[BanKs] A lot of teams weren't going to go to the American
trip or they couldn't do it because of visas.

1619
01:44:42,318 --> 01:44:46,865
[BanKs] Same problem I had because it's just not possible,
right?

1620
01:44:46,845 --> 01:44:49,876
[BanKs]  So we don't get to see the first Kerrigan Falcons
one in here.

1621
01:44:51,180 --> 01:44:54,551
[BanKs] We do see a very easy to win potentially event for
Vitality.

1622
01:44:55,313 --> 01:44:59,286
[BanKs] We get to see Foot, who I think could make a deep
run, definitely make playoffs.

1623
01:44:59,265 --> 01:45:10,407
[BanKs]  um phase obviously good luck to them what they
can do with twisters igl and nature coming in g2
with hunter back obviously that's something to
keep an eye on game legion

1624
01:45:11,061 --> 01:45:12,203
[BanKs]  We haven't seen them for such a long time.

1625
01:45:12,224 --> 01:45:13,126
[BanKs] I don't even know what they've been up to.

1626
01:45:13,145 --> 01:45:15,291
[BanKs] We haven't even spoke to them in so long.

1627
01:45:15,832 --> 01:45:19,198
[BanKs] They came third place at the Star Series ranked
event.

1628
01:45:20,282 --> 01:45:23,849
[BanKs] Fifth to eighth at that ROG Journey event, which
Alliance did pretty well at, we spoke about.

1629
01:45:23,890 --> 01:45:27,837
[BanKs] First place for Park and Challenger Championship,
but...

1630
01:45:28,291 --> 01:45:35,583
[BanKs]  for them it's just all about right making the
major that was all their focus so they got a new
logo what are you making that new logo it's kind
of wilder

1631
01:45:37,015 --> 01:45:37,516
[Devilwalk]  I don't know.

1632
01:45:37,537 --> 01:45:42,832
[Devilwalk] I mean, it looks cool, but it just feels wrong.

1633
01:45:43,934 --> 01:45:48,762
[BanKs]  to me it reminds me of like some heavy metal band
or something like that

1634
01:45:48,690 --> 01:45:51,378
[Devilwalk] It's like a Diablo logo with Gamer Legion in it.

1635
01:45:50,632 --> 01:45:51,375
[BanKs]  Oh, yeah.

1636
01:45:51,836 --> 01:45:52,778
[BanKs] Yeah, yeah.

1637
01:45:52,797 --> 01:45:53,319
[BanKs] Yeah, good point.

1638
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:53,900
[BanKs] Good point.

1639
01:45:54,603 --> 01:45:58,271
[BanKs] So overall for this event, it's still a million
dollar prize pool.

1640
01:45:58,632 --> 01:46:00,998
[BanKs] It's 125k for first place.

1641
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:03,265
[BanKs] Same as 125k for club share.

1642
01:46:03,685 --> 01:46:06,212
[BanKs] But the fact is eight teams were going to get

1643
01:46:06,192 --> 01:46:12,073
[BanKs]  Interesting groups because Vitality, Foot,
Astralis, G2 in one group, Na'Vi, FaZe, FURIA,
Game Legion for the other group.

1644
01:46:12,493 --> 01:46:14,360
[BanKs] So let's go through our matchups in here.

1645
01:46:16,146 --> 01:46:17,551
[BanKs] Vitality versus Foot.

1646
01:46:18,443 --> 01:46:32,554
[Devilwalk]  i put vitality i'm just i think foot can damage
them can probably take a map but uh i think it's
yeah

1647
01:46:28,417 --> 01:46:29,551
[BanKs]  They've never played each other.

1648
01:46:29,895 --> 01:46:31,474
[BanKs] They've never played each other

1649
01:46:32,752 --> 01:46:33,814
[BanKs]  I'm going to give you this.

1650
01:46:34,877 --> 01:46:39,788
[BanKs] I will take Foot winning this opening best of
three because it doesn't change much in the grand
scheme of things.

1651
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:45,159
[BanKs] I think Foot off the back of obviously Vitality
calming down, coming to America, yeah?

1652
01:46:45,662 --> 01:46:49,529
[BanKs] Foot, some of their players got their American
visas and just come through and got happy.

1653
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:51,493
[BanKs]  This is a great opportunity for them.

1654
01:46:51,894 --> 01:46:54,157
[BanKs] They might come through and just win this best of
three.

1655
01:46:54,478 --> 01:47:00,226
[BanKs] That doesn't mean I don't think they'll win the
whole event, but in the group stage opening game,
I'm going to choose Foot over Vitality.

1656
01:47:00,247 --> 01:47:01,770
[BanKs] I've got that little bit of belief in our boys.

1657
01:47:03,364 --> 01:47:05,729
[Devilwalk]  All right, I went vitality.

1658
01:47:03,532 --> 01:47:04,413
[BanKs] You're going Vitality though.

1659
01:47:05,354 --> 01:47:08,380
[BanKs] Astralis G2.

1660
01:47:09,895 --> 01:47:11,176
[Devilwalk]  I'm going Astralis.

1661
01:47:11,396 --> 01:47:20,551
[Devilwalk] I think the why I say Astralis is I think they are
kind of a prep heavy team.

1662
01:47:12,292 --> 01:47:14,837
[BanKs]  Okay.

1663
01:47:14,856 --> 01:47:15,078
[BanKs] Yep.

1664
01:47:21,051 --> 01:47:22,994
[Devilwalk] They open up really, really well.

1665
01:47:23,095 --> 01:47:29,305
[Devilwalk] You know, even when they played foot in the first
game in ESL Pro League, they've played Spirit in
ESL Pro League.

1666
01:47:27,502 --> 01:47:27,582
[BanKs] Mhm.

1667
01:47:29,284 --> 01:47:42,382
[Devilwalk]  like finals they beat them first game in PGL
Bucharest they won like a lot of first games
they've been really really good at so

1668
01:47:37,029 --> 01:47:54,456
[BanKs]  Yep.

1669
01:47:42,363 --> 01:47:48,440
[Devilwalk]  I kind of consider them a mini-navi in that
sense, that they will prep heavy, they will
understand their opponents.

1670
01:47:48,942 --> 01:47:53,435
[Devilwalk] When the matchups are out, the more time you give
them, probably the better they become.

1671
01:47:53,896 --> 01:47:55,461
[Devilwalk] So that's why I went Astralis.

1672
01:47:54,475 --> 01:47:54,837
[BanKs] Okay.

1673
01:47:56,555 --> 01:48:02,529
[BanKs]  I feel like it'll be a G2 win just because Hunter
will have a point to prove coming into this.

1674
01:48:02,689 --> 01:48:04,796
[BanKs] I don't know if there's any head-to-head between
these guys.

1675
01:48:05,476 --> 01:48:10,850
[BanKs] They've not faced off against each other, so we're
going to get a few interesting matches, especially
considering how the VRS has changed.

1676
01:48:10,831 --> 01:48:28,467
[BanKs]  obviously what where are we at right now for
australis they are sick from the rankings right
now so i think this this is going to be a fun
exciting game to have but i feel like hunter back
some players if we can keep up some of that form
will be good um and obviously i'm a big fan of
nerds coming into this g2 line i'm just undersaw
so i think that will give them the edge

1677
01:48:18,509 --> 01:48:36,070
[Devilwalk]  Leo.

1678
01:48:28,448 --> 01:48:43,655
[BanKs]  they need to be careful of though a sharp jabby
and um jabby and ryu definitely all right navi
versus phase navi like what else what else can you
say

1679
01:48:36,452 --> 01:48:36,551
[Devilwalk] Yeah.

1680
01:48:40,733 --> 01:48:56,228
[Devilwalk]  yeah I don't know I mean maybe that will fuck up
Navi's prep and FaZe might have like some weird
ass honeymoon reason but I don't really see that
happening I'm picking Navi all the way

1681
01:48:52,613 --> 01:49:07,720
[BanKs]  here we go no um furia game lesion furia again
just because we haven't seen game lesion for so
long they are going to struggle against this kind
of opposition yeah

1682
01:49:05,302 --> 01:49:06,224
[Devilwalk]  It's a good test for them.

1683
01:49:06,824 --> 01:49:11,011
[Devilwalk] I think they should be motivated to be back at
this kind of position.

1684
01:49:11,832 --> 01:49:13,636
[Devilwalk] It's a good chance for them, good opportunity.

1685
01:49:14,476 --> 01:49:24,612
[Devilwalk] Hopefully, you know, for them, super important to
pick up one, two wins in a tournament like this to
just boost them a little bit in VRS.

1686
01:49:14,668 --> 01:49:23,818
[BanKs]  Yeah, definitely.

1687
01:49:25,992 --> 01:49:41,064
[BanKs]  all right so even though it's an eight team event
six teams are making it through to playoffs so
only two go out in last place so let's let's go
through who's making out a group a i feel like
it'll be foot and g2

1688
01:49:39,525 --> 01:49:41,520
[Devilwalk]  I think J2 will go last place.

1689
01:49:42,225 --> 01:49:43,829
[BanKs]  Oh, okay.

1690
01:49:44,471 --> 01:49:48,121
[BanKs] So I'm going to say foot in G2, go through, yeah?

1691
01:49:49,243 --> 01:49:51,529
[BanKs] And then Vitality in the lower final, go through.

1692
01:49:52,114 --> 01:50:00,694
[Devilwalk]  I go Vitality Astralis in upper final with
Vitality winning and then Foot winning against G2.

1693
01:49:55,319 --> 01:49:55,458
[BanKs] Mm-hmm.

1694
01:50:01,953 --> 01:50:03,297
[BanKs]  Cool.

1695
01:50:03,377 --> 01:50:12,975
[BanKs] I'm going to say foot to semis, G2 and Vitality
through to quarters.

1696
01:50:03,420 --> 01:50:03,980
[Devilwalk] Group B.

1697
01:50:13,327 --> 01:50:20,542
[Devilwalk]  Navi win.

1698
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:31,099
[BanKs]  yeah uh group b navi win furia win navi get
revenge because it's not in rio and then they go
through to semis furia to quarters and then bro
phase or gave a lesion

1699
01:50:29,403 --> 01:50:30,685
[Devilwalk] I'm saying gamer legion.

1700
01:50:30,805 --> 01:50:31,807
[Devilwalk] I'm saying gamer legion.

1701
01:50:34,284 --> 01:50:35,266
[BanKs]  Oh, mate.

1702
01:50:37,652 --> 01:50:37,872
[BanKs] No.

1703
01:50:38,453 --> 01:50:39,735
[BanKs] FaZe still do it.

1704
01:50:39,876 --> 01:50:40,317
[BanKs] FaZe.

1705
01:50:40,832 --> 01:50:41,994
[Devilwalk]  I'm saying gamer legion.

1706
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:47,771
[BanKs] I almost failed to follow you, but there's just
enough.

1707
01:50:46,983 --> 01:50:49,648
[Devilwalk] But it's unknown of face.

1708
01:50:49,707 --> 01:50:53,293
[Devilwalk] It's like, okay, they're shittier, but unknown.

1709
01:50:56,256 --> 01:50:57,479
[BanKs]  I'm a safe face going through.

1710
01:50:57,738 --> 01:50:58,940
[BanKs] You say game leaves, I'll say face.

1711
01:50:59,384 --> 01:50:59,583
[Devilwalk] All right.

1712
01:51:00,002 --> 01:51:00,944
[BanKs] We'll wait and see what happens.

1713
01:51:01,925 --> 01:51:03,648
[BanKs] But we got our Q&A to do.

1714
01:51:03,667 --> 01:51:05,229
[BanKs] We're gonna have to rapid fire this Q&A.

1715
01:51:05,604 --> 01:51:06,868
[Devilwalk]  Yes, I'll do a score there.

1716
01:51:07,814 --> 01:51:08,014
[BanKs] Yep.

1717
01:51:07,909 --> 01:51:14,222
[Devilwalk] After the heroic to Australia situation, do you
think NIP consulted Shush before signing Staven?

1718
01:51:14,644 --> 01:51:16,547
[Devilwalk] Also, NIP is officially a Danish core.

1719
01:51:15,244 --> 01:51:16,206
[BanKs] Oh yeah, we didn't touch on that.

1720
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:18,551
[Devilwalk] So, I think...

1721
01:51:18,532 --> 01:51:23,381
[Devilwalk]  Well, first of all, Exist was the coach of Heroic
when Staven was in there.

1722
01:51:22,547 --> 01:51:33,029
[BanKs]  Mm-hmm.

1723
01:51:23,863 --> 01:51:27,451
[Devilwalk] I think that relationship is probably, you know, a
big part of it.

1724
01:51:28,193 --> 01:51:31,619
[Devilwalk] Obviously, the Danish relationship also kind of
interconnects that.

1725
01:51:31,659 --> 01:51:37,872
[Devilwalk] So a majority of the team has a sense of who
Staven is, what he can bring, what his potential
is.

1726
01:51:37,853 --> 01:51:54,765
[Devilwalk]  uh so i think it all kind of made sense from a
historical perspective for them and that's
probably why they signed him that's the i mean
it's always been a hobby opera but that it's a
it's it's a risk definitely

1727
01:51:45,632 --> 01:51:58,587
[BanKs]  But as an AWPer... Bro, it's a coming out of a
lot of time off, yeah?

1728
01:51:59,630 --> 01:52:00,693
[BanKs] Like, have a quick look.

1729
01:52:00,262 --> 01:52:04,009
[Devilwalk]  I see someone in this Q&A.

1730
01:52:00,712 --> 01:52:01,836
[BanKs] When did Stan last play?

1731
01:52:05,461 --> 01:52:09,136
[BanKs]  When did Stown last... I just saw it as I was
like, no.

1732
01:52:10,944 --> 01:52:12,350
[BanKs] When did Stown last play a game?

1733
01:52:13,545 --> 01:52:16,128
[Devilwalk] Three years ago?

1734
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:15,403
[BanKs] Let's have a look at this.

1735
01:52:17,002 --> 01:52:23,962
[BanKs]  Before, so Astralis, it was Esports World Cup,
August 2025.

1736
01:52:24,122 --> 01:52:27,171
[BanKs] So it's not been a year, but it's almost been a
year.

1737
01:52:27,192 --> 01:52:29,439
[BanKs] And he's having to play through this again.

1738
01:52:29,136 --> 01:52:33,881
[Devilwalk]  Felt like it was longer for some reason.

1739
01:52:29,859 --> 01:52:31,704
[BanKs] And now he's not going to be rifling, he's going
to be orping.

1740
01:52:33,693 --> 01:52:35,336
[BanKs]  Yeah, it did feel like it's longer.

1741
01:52:35,936 --> 01:52:41,166
[BanKs] He's going to be on HLTV confirmed as a guest, so
I'm interested to see what he's going to say there
and how open and honest he'll be on everything.

1742
01:52:41,667 --> 01:52:47,296
[BanKs] But, I mean, working with Ignis, working with
Snappy, working with Shush again, being on the
same team, great.

1743
01:52:47,618 --> 01:52:48,520
[BanKs] There's still a lot.

1744
01:52:48,819 --> 01:52:49,862
[BanKs] There's a big point to prove.

1745
01:52:49,841 --> 01:52:52,097
[BanKs]  At least he'll be able to grind his way up in the
low tiers.

1746
01:52:52,279 --> 01:52:53,327
[BanKs] I can see that as a positive.

1747
01:52:53,408 --> 01:52:54,293
[BanKs] I can see that as a positive.

1748
01:52:54,500 --> 01:52:57,365
[Devilwalk]  I have to take this next question from Shengite.

1749
01:52:55,261 --> 01:52:55,582
[BanKs] Okay.

1750
01:52:58,568 --> 01:53:01,514
[Devilwalk] Which team do you see Qixan as a good fit for now?

1751
01:53:02,496 --> 01:53:07,386
[Devilwalk] Well, I said Team Liquid and I said Maus.

1752
01:53:08,108 --> 01:53:09,329
[Devilwalk] Those are my two picks.

1753
01:53:11,527 --> 01:53:12,569
[BanKs]  Do you know what?

1754
01:53:12,256 --> 01:53:14,279
[Devilwalk] What do you think about Shengite's

1755
01:53:12,588 --> 01:53:13,090
[BanKs] Change it.

1756
01:53:14,332 --> 01:53:14,833
[BanKs] Change it.

1757
01:53:14,934 --> 01:53:15,375
[BanKs] Change it.

1758
01:53:15,876 --> 01:53:18,761
[BanKs] I'm so sorry that Devwalk is a complete and utter
tool.

1759
01:53:19,682 --> 01:53:22,349
[BanKs] He just ruins your name every time and can't say
it right.

1760
01:53:22,368 --> 01:53:25,173
[BanKs] And I'm so sorry that you had to deal with our
laughing fit last time.

1761
01:53:25,215 --> 01:53:25,916
[BanKs] That was a good one.

1762
01:53:25,956 --> 01:53:27,720
[BanKs] This time we seem to be more composed.

1763
01:53:27,739 --> 01:53:28,962
[BanKs] We've understood it.

1764
01:53:28,942 --> 01:53:30,605
[BanKs]  Which team do you see Kingston as a good fit for?

1765
01:53:30,685 --> 01:53:34,135
[BanKs] We spoke about it a bit earlier, but Liquid would
be great.

1766
01:53:34,154 --> 01:53:36,801
[BanKs] I actually like what Devwalk said there.

1767
01:53:37,082 --> 01:53:40,931
[BanKs] But I also think if this Malz situation with IGL
doesn't work out, definitely Malz.

1768
01:53:41,252 --> 01:53:41,934
[BanKs] Definitely Malz.

1769
01:53:41,953 --> 01:53:43,819
[BanKs] And that's not too much of a step below for him.

1770
01:53:44,380 --> 01:53:45,582
[BanKs] So that could be good.

1771
01:53:45,563 --> 01:53:47,667
[BanKs]  All right, the next question is from Oscar.

1772
01:53:48,007 --> 01:53:53,701
[BanKs] He says, will Kerrigan be able to balance the
Falcons as a captain and reduce the amount of ego
in a team, Kioski?

1773
01:53:54,301 --> 01:53:58,931
[BanKs] Definitely, because trust me, he'll have those
tough conversations with someone like Kioski.

1774
01:53:58,912 --> 01:54:02,421
[BanKs]  And also, Kiyosaki will respect what Carrigan
says to him.

1775
01:54:02,440 --> 01:54:04,286
[BanKs] He's grown up watching him, seeing him lift
trophies.

1776
01:54:04,645 --> 01:54:07,011
[BanKs] This is going to be a win-win scenario.

1777
01:54:07,032 --> 01:54:10,822
[BanKs] For me, I just envision it in my head that this
will be an understanding.

1778
01:54:10,981 --> 01:54:15,233
[BanKs] This will be a, like, ego has to be left at the
door thing.

1779
01:54:16,327 --> 01:54:17,663
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, I mean...

1780
01:54:16,411 --> 01:54:20,760
[BanKs]  I think Manasi, Niko, Kioski, everyone's going to
respect Carragher and they're going to want him
there.

1781
01:54:21,140 --> 01:54:29,619
[BanKs] And it's not like they didn't want Kiksan, but
it's, you know, if you think you're significantly
better or more experienced or whatever than this
person, it's maybe harder for him to get a call in
the game.

1782
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:30,801
[BanKs] This is just our opinion, by the way.

1783
01:54:30,841 --> 01:54:33,087
[BanKs] No one's come out there and said that that's what
happened with Kiksan.

1784
01:54:33,067 --> 01:54:39,963
[BanKs]  But I mean, Kerrigan's voice, say this, you're
just in a stack of games and you get Kiksan as
your IGL and then you get Kerrigan as your IGL.

1785
01:54:39,984 --> 01:54:43,032
[BanKs] There's a voice that's going to hold a bit more
weight to it as well.

1786
01:54:43,372 --> 01:54:46,159
[BanKs] It's like how every time we play Faceit with
Devwalk, everyone's just telling him to call.

1787
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,387
[BanKs] He just becomes the call.

1788
01:54:47,578 --> 01:54:52,898
[Devilwalk]  yeah it's annoying either way

1789
01:54:52,675 --> 01:54:55,101
[BanKs]  He can't just enjoy a game of CS.

1790
01:54:55,181 --> 01:54:57,228
[BanKs] It's like, oh, Devlog, you're cool.

1791
01:54:58,970 --> 01:55:05,140
[Devilwalk]  Either way, I think it's definitely going to be
something Kerrigan are able to do.

1792
01:55:06,154 --> 01:55:06,414
[BanKs] Mm-hmm.

1793
01:55:07,444 --> 01:55:10,448
[Devilwalk] What the effect of it... I mean, I think everyone
will respect it.

1794
01:55:10,630 --> 01:55:11,591
[Devilwalk] That's going to work fine.

1795
01:55:14,235 --> 01:55:15,979
[Devilwalk] So, yeah, I don't see any problems with that.

1796
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:18,042
[Devilwalk] Gfly...

1797
01:55:17,329 --> 01:55:19,320
[BanKs]  All right.

1798
01:55:19,341 --> 01:55:20,125
[BanKs] Yee fly.

1799
01:55:20,204 --> 01:55:20,627
[BanKs] Yee.

1800
01:55:20,648 --> 01:55:23,220
[BanKs] Yee.

1801
01:55:21,059 --> 01:55:33,904
[Devilwalk]  g fly what what's uh the situation with mouse
right now which teams do you think it's the best
fit for brolin or jimmy um that one is a tougher
question

1802
01:55:23,845 --> 01:55:24,488
[BanKs] Y-E-E.

1803
01:55:33,884 --> 01:55:44,984
[Devilwalk]  I think right now Jimmy probably has the more
kind of stock in the market being, you know, kind
of an anchor playing those rough positions.

1804
01:55:42,422 --> 01:56:02,287
[BanKs]  Mhm.

1805
01:55:45,645 --> 01:55:48,992
[Devilwalk] Brolan, I think his stocks are kind of a little
bit down.

1806
01:55:50,675 --> 01:55:51,976
[Devilwalk] But

1807
01:55:51,957 --> 01:55:55,224
[Devilwalk]  I don't think it's like a stressful situation for
them.

1808
01:55:55,385 --> 01:56:01,136
[Devilwalk] I think they'll probably wait until after the
major and opportunities are just going to rise for
them.

1809
01:56:01,157 --> 01:56:04,524
[Devilwalk] A lot of things could change at that point.

1810
01:56:05,206 --> 01:56:09,055
[Devilwalk] And a lot of it is depending on how people perform
at the major.

1811
01:56:09,034 --> 01:56:16,737
[Devilwalk]  So it's kind of rough to see where the
opportunities are going to lead right now for
Brolan and Jimmy.

1812
01:56:17,471 --> 01:56:32,005
[BanKs]  yeah i feel like for me when i look at jimmy the
falcons move could be on the cards for tess says
by maybe he skips this next season right

1813
01:56:17,539 --> 01:56:19,685
[Devilwalk] There's a lot of different avenues that could
happen.

1814
01:56:31,984 --> 01:56:36,292
[BanKs]  Maybe Testers is saved with a Kerrigan move for
this year, but then coming into 2027.

1815
01:56:36,332 --> 01:56:40,619
[BanKs] But Yim Fat is an upgrade for a good amount of
teams who want a solid anchor.

1816
01:56:40,659 --> 01:56:43,185
[BanKs] It's about how he fits in personality-wise as
well.

1817
01:56:43,284 --> 01:56:44,447
[BanKs] But we know he's had offers.

1818
01:56:44,487 --> 01:56:46,490
[BanKs] We know he's had opportunity and didn't go.

1819
01:56:46,511 --> 01:56:47,693
[BanKs] So now he's on the bench.

1820
01:56:47,733 --> 01:56:49,976
[BanKs] I don't think it's long that he'll stay on there.

1821
01:56:49,957 --> 01:56:51,740
[BanKs]  I would love to see him go to Falcons personally.

1822
01:56:51,761 --> 01:56:53,385
[BanKs] I think that would be a match made in heaven.

1823
01:56:53,685 --> 01:56:56,774
[BanKs] And also, he'd be able to handle all of the stuff
Falcons are doing, right?

1824
01:56:56,793 --> 01:56:57,756
[BanKs] Because Jimmy don't have an ego.

1825
01:56:59,238 --> 01:57:03,088
[BanKs] Jimmy's light test is in that way, but younger and
mechanically better.

1826
01:57:03,871 --> 01:57:04,190
[BanKs] You know?

1827
01:57:04,097 --> 01:57:09,229
[Devilwalk]  Yeah.

1828
01:57:04,212 --> 01:57:05,054
[BanKs] So that works out well.

1829
01:57:05,494 --> 01:57:06,497
[BanKs] For Brolam...

1830
01:57:06,476 --> 01:57:08,180
[BanKs]  I think a team where he doesn't have to be IGL.

1831
01:57:08,220 --> 01:57:12,628
[BanKs] I don't know what team that would be, but he's
still so good as a non-IGL.

1832
01:57:12,649 --> 01:57:13,570
[BanKs] Like, how old is Brolin?

1833
01:57:13,497 --> 01:57:18,850
[Devilwalk] The weirdest part was my first thought was heroic.

1834
01:57:13,591 --> 01:57:14,112
[BanKs] I can always forget.

1835
01:57:14,131 --> 01:57:14,753
[BanKs] He's so young.

1836
01:57:14,793 --> 01:57:15,335
[BanKs] He's only 23.

1837
01:57:15,354 --> 01:57:15,595
[BanKs] Ooh.

1838
01:57:19,984 --> 01:57:23,411
[BanKs] Like, that's a really... I think he can do better.

1839
01:57:23,451 --> 01:57:26,356
[BanKs] Yeah.

1840
01:57:24,010 --> 01:57:31,819
[Devilwalk]  I think he can do better, but I'm just thinking
maybe he wants to be in the Swedish team, kind
of-ish.

1841
01:57:26,377 --> 01:57:26,476
[BanKs] Yeah.

1842
01:57:30,118 --> 01:57:30,520
[BanKs]  True.

1843
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:32,282
[Devilwalk] Either way.

1844
01:57:31,963 --> 01:57:33,105
[BanKs] Alright, the next one.

1845
01:57:33,568 --> 01:57:34,430
[BanKs] Canareca.

1846
01:57:35,171 --> 01:57:44,935
[BanKs] Do you think Kerrigan in Falcons is realistically
a Hail Mary project to challenge Vitality's
dominance, especially after a nice try in IEM Rio?

1847
01:57:45,457 --> 01:57:45,698
[BanKs] Um...

1848
01:57:47,466 --> 01:57:54,579
[BanKs]  It's not a Hail Mary because I feel like what we
spoke about earlier in the podcast is that this is
a building for the future of having what you want
and need.

1849
01:57:55,181 --> 01:58:00,712
[BanKs] If he doesn't work out as the IGL, then they get
him as the coach for the future and change.

1850
01:57:57,389 --> 01:58:09,609
[Devilwalk]  Yeah, they are outside the door.

1851
01:58:00,992 --> 01:58:03,417
[BanKs] This is more like securing Kerrigan.

1852
01:58:03,396 --> 01:58:18,552
[BanKs]  securing carrigan and getting the job done like
that devil really has to go soon you can see he's
turning around people entering his house we're on
the last couple of questions but you didn't say
anything about the hail mary thing you didn't jump
in on that

1853
01:58:10,805 --> 01:58:22,957
[Devilwalk]  uh so let's just speed run masaru what do you
guys think about the situation share again leaving
face the hail mary yes it's a hail mary blah blah
blah uh uh okay

1854
01:58:20,557 --> 01:58:22,360
[BanKs]  You can't... Don't rush it like that.

1855
01:58:22,822 --> 01:58:24,304
[BanKs] Don't disrespect our questions.

1856
01:58:22,938 --> 01:58:32,865
[Devilwalk]  I think it's a Hail Mary, but not in the way of
like, I don't think it will be a Hail Mary
situation short term.

1857
01:58:32,926 --> 01:58:35,613
[Devilwalk] I think it's a Hail Mary in the long term.

1858
01:58:35,594 --> 01:58:53,146
[Devilwalk]  to challenge vitality i think they've identified
that they struggle in playoff they need an
emotional leader they need someone that can step
in take the reins and that i still think that's
going to take time and it's not something that's
going to happen within a two months period i think
this is for later in the year

1859
01:58:36,385 --> 01:58:36,524
[BanKs] Mm-hmm.

1860
01:58:51,354 --> 01:58:56,994
[BanKs]  All right.

1861
01:58:56,029 --> 01:59:00,542
[Devilwalk]  Okay, Massario, what do you guys think of the
situation where Kerrigan is just leaving face
without telling anyone?

1862
01:59:00,884 --> 01:59:01,605
[Devilwalk] I think it's weird.

1863
01:59:02,306 --> 01:59:10,409
[Devilwalk] I think, I don't know, it sounds really, yeah,
cursed in some way, I don't know.

1864
01:59:08,939 --> 01:59:22,965
[BanKs]  the thing i saw right is like look at this twist
said this is in the discord it says did you know
for a while or was it sudden and twist said it was
sudden and then he goes i wonder if karen asked to
leave or he was just told he's gonna be gone weird
situation he wasn't kicked

1865
01:59:22,944 --> 01:59:34,457
[BanKs]  um obviously it may have been sudden but i think
that like the situation of him just leaving
without telling anyone i don't think it may like
we need to find out by speaking to him rather than
assuming

1866
01:59:33,069 --> 01:59:34,332
[Devilwalk]  I think it's okay.

1867
01:59:34,912 --> 01:59:46,693
[Devilwalk] I'm, I am thinking it's a situation where he
struggled with, okay, and we're going to tell them
and now we're just going to shoot ourselves in the
foot without, you know, making the major kind of
deal.

1868
01:59:47,380 --> 02:00:05,221
[BanKs]  Yep.

1869
01:59:47,574 --> 01:59:51,140
[Devilwalk] Uh, cause this is probably been in cards for
longer than just a day.

1870
01:59:52,243 --> 01:59:52,462
[Devilwalk] Um,

1871
01:59:53,827 --> 02:00:05,439
[Devilwalk]  So I thought that he is thinking I'm going to
give it my all now and basically I don't want to
ruin people's hopes of this not working out in the
long term.

1872
02:00:05,242 --> 02:00:05,322
[BanKs] Mhm.

1873
02:00:05,420 --> 02:00:14,860
[Devilwalk]  So that we at least have the chance to do well in
the upcoming tournaments instead of dropping this
bomb and then everyone giving up and kind of
putting the team into shit's position.

1874
02:00:15,442 --> 02:00:19,952
[Devilwalk] So I think it's like a very weird moral kind of
balance point he was in.

1875
02:00:19,931 --> 02:00:26,719
[Devilwalk]  And that's probably why this happened the way it
happened, because of the position FaZe have been
in competitively.

1876
02:00:20,523 --> 02:00:21,000
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1877
02:00:28,572 --> 02:00:48,201
[BanKs]  yeah but i think without telling him i think he
just told them maybe later than what was expected
or wanted which is obviously not ideal but it will
we'll know the truth later on when some more
interviews or content comes out with these people
maybe faze will even touch on it a bit and they do
the interviews um for the opening part of uh
rivals

1878
02:00:47,994 --> 02:00:48,287
[Devilwalk]  Yep.

1879
02:00:48,180 --> 02:00:50,885
[BanKs]  All right, last question from Freezer1337.

1880
02:00:51,046 --> 02:00:54,931
[BanKs] Mr. Leet, how hard will it be for JL to get back
into Tier 1 after almost a year off?

1881
02:00:55,252 --> 02:00:56,394
[BanKs] He's grinding FACEIT right now.

1882
02:00:56,434 --> 02:00:57,536
[BanKs] He did a stream yesterday.

1883
02:00:57,855 --> 02:01:00,420
[BanKs] He already had that stint with Team Liquid where
he looked pretty okay.

1884
02:01:00,740 --> 02:01:04,587
[BanKs] I feel like he is more than a capable individual
player in terms of being good.

1885
02:01:04,567 --> 02:01:22,457
[BanKs]  i feel like he wants this and i'll just go back
to quote quickly the messages i had from him when
because what i said to jael i said um it's loading
devil's gonna hate this because my internet is
loading very slowly yeah

1886
02:01:17,662 --> 02:01:36,311
[Devilwalk]  mean the the the good part about it if i can
answer when you find the the quote he's had few
stints where he's been a stand-in his stand-in
situations uh where he's kind of gotten up to
speed a little bit every every single time playing
a tournament here playing a tournament there

1887
02:01:36,292 --> 02:01:49,490
[Devilwalk]  so he's kind of been in the situation but not
like day to day in that sense it's an advantage
and it's not as long as we look at Stav and hasn't
been an official game for almost a year

1888
02:01:48,542 --> 02:01:48,904
[BanKs]  Yeah.

1889
02:01:49,470 --> 02:01:57,971
[Devilwalk]  JL has played and has had these stand-in
situations to kind of keep him up to date and get
the feeling.

1890
02:01:57,992 --> 02:02:03,564
[Devilwalk] So I don't think he will be as rusty as someone
like Staven jumping straight into it.

1891
02:02:01,011 --> 02:02:01,252
[BanKs] Yeah.

1892
02:02:04,287 --> 02:02:13,686
[BanKs]  And I like the fact, like I said, he was
streaming, but also he, from when I was messaging
him on Instagram, he understands that this is a,
if he performs well, he will get to join and be
back to tier one.

1893
02:02:13,747 --> 02:02:17,716
[BanKs] And that'd be a good team for him to work with and
vibe with and the voice he can have in the team as
well.

1894
02:02:17,856 --> 02:02:21,604
[BanKs] So very positive stuff overall, if he does get to
join him.

1895
02:02:21,625 --> 02:02:22,667
[BanKs] But that is it.

1896
02:02:22,646 --> 02:02:23,448
[BanKs]  DevWalk has to run.

1897
02:02:23,469 --> 02:02:26,877
[BanKs] It's episode 58 of the All About Counter-Strike
podcast.

1898
02:02:26,898 --> 02:02:27,899
[BanKs] Thank you very much for watching.

1899
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:28,681
[BanKs] We covered Rio.

1900
02:02:28,721 --> 02:02:29,604
[BanKs] We covered the news.

1901
02:02:29,925 --> 02:02:32,532
[BanKs] We missed a few little things off in there, like
the Stalmon, for example.

1902
02:02:32,551 --> 02:02:35,137
[BanKs] But make sure you like, subscribe, and comment.

1903
02:02:35,158 --> 02:02:36,201
[BanKs] And...

1904
02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:50,324
[BanKs]  next episode will be when we get done with rivals
by looks let me just look down the event list so
we have rivals finishing on the 3rd of may and
astana starting on the 9th so we'll do one

1905
02:02:50,305 --> 02:03:06,407
[BanKs]  on the 4th of may and cover both astana and
rivals and any of the news that's happened
throughout maybe we get some more updates on all
the carrigan phase situation alongside what's
going on with falcons either way thank you very
much for watching hopefully this new recording on
the new software looks even better than before and
uh see you soon

1906
02:03:07,061 --> 02:03:07,673
[Devilwalk]  Bye-bye.