1 00:00:02,359 --> 00:00:06,589 [Banks] It is episode 57 of the All About Counter-Strike podcast. 2 00:00:06,609 --> 00:00:08,753 [Banks] We've got a lot to cover in here, as always. 3 00:00:09,134 --> 00:00:11,319 [Banks] And in a few moments' time, we'll have a special guest joining us. 4 00:00:11,339 --> 00:00:12,381 [Banks] We'll get into that in a second. 5 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:14,044 [Banks] But as always, Devon, let me do it. 6 00:00:14,064 --> 00:00:16,169 [Banks] It is the 13th of April, 2026. 7 00:00:16,629 --> 00:00:18,292 [Banks] I Am Rio has just started. 8 00:00:18,272 --> 00:00:21,038 [Banks] If you guys are looking for stuff on iMbryo, we did that in the last episode. 9 00:00:21,057 --> 00:00:22,600 [Banks] So go back and watch that in case you missed it. 10 00:00:22,981 --> 00:00:24,425 [Banks] We did all our predictions, all our thoughts. 11 00:00:24,905 --> 00:00:31,038 [Banks] For me right now, it is 3.44 in the afternoon, which means it's 4.44 for Devil. 12 00:00:31,217 --> 00:00:32,481 [Banks] All the fours across the board. 13 00:00:32,860 --> 00:00:33,843 [Banks] DW, how are you doing? 14 00:00:33,862 --> 00:00:34,444 [Banks] How's your week been? 15 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:35,837 [Devilwalk] Good. 16 00:00:35,847 --> 00:00:37,850 [Banks] Or last week from between the last episode? 17 00:00:36,417 --> 00:00:40,244 [Devilwalk] I've had, obviously, last episode we filmed was on my birthday. 18 00:00:40,746 --> 00:00:42,027 [Devilwalk] And that was in the middle of the week. 19 00:00:42,148 --> 00:00:48,719 [Devilwalk] So I've been doing, you know, a little bit of celebration with my girlfriend during the weekend. 20 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:49,561 [Devilwalk] So we... 21 00:00:49,542 --> 00:00:50,804 [Devilwalk] Checked into a hotel. 22 00:00:51,225 --> 00:00:52,749 [Devilwalk] We went to some restaurants. 23 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:59,905 [Devilwalk] Got a little bit hammered and slept good and had a good, you know, breakfast at a hotel. 24 00:00:55,954 --> 00:01:08,225 [lauNX] you you 25 00:00:59,926 --> 00:01:01,268 [Devilwalk] So it was cozy. 26 00:01:01,658 --> 00:01:02,365 [Banks] Are you recovered? 27 00:01:03,192 --> 00:01:04,094 [Devilwalk] I'm recovered, yes. 28 00:01:04,495 --> 00:01:08,444 [Devilwalk] I'm fully recovered from the shenanigans of the weekend. 29 00:01:04,549 --> 00:01:05,155 [Banks] You recovered? 30 00:01:08,846 --> 00:01:26,737 [Banks] okay that's good then that's good you recovered and you're ready for this one well i have been doing nothing but whole baby duties still no streaming no gaming nothing else i was watching a few of the games i was watching some of the bucharest matches a baby on my chest you know it's a new experience of playing cs but at least he's getting into it early on now 31 00:01:10,349 --> 00:01:10,625 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 32 00:01:26,718 --> 00:01:37,334 [Banks] normally when we have a guest on it's normally a focus just on that guest it's all about that particular person but for this one we want to do something a little bit different we wanted to bring our special guest in 33 00:01:37,314 --> 00:01:52,117 [Banks] a little bit to ask some of your questions get a bit of background on him obviously he's very well known by this point he's doing all the interviews for his team but we're also going to talk about bucharest what it was like the whole event for him as his team went on to win the whole event and 34 00:01:52,097 --> 00:01:54,201 [Banks] Some of us got this prediction right quite well. 35 00:01:54,944 --> 00:01:55,986 [Banks] We went in the right direction with it. 36 00:01:56,006 --> 00:01:57,067 [Banks] So let's not wait any longer. 37 00:01:57,087 --> 00:01:58,109 [Banks] Let's get straight into it. 38 00:01:58,411 --> 00:02:04,963 [Banks] It's going to be our PGL Bucharest 2026 review with Foots Lounce. 39 00:02:05,444 --> 00:02:07,930 [Banks] Lounce, thank you very much for joining us, my friend. 40 00:02:08,390 --> 00:02:09,693 [Banks] You got a big smile on your face already. 41 00:02:09,734 --> 00:02:10,495 [Banks] How are you doing? 42 00:02:10,086 --> 00:02:11,592 [lauNX] I'm doing good. 43 00:02:11,611 --> 00:02:12,656 [lauNX] Thank you for inviting me, guys. 44 00:02:13,138 --> 00:02:15,627 [lauNX] It's an honor to take this podcast. 45 00:02:15,646 --> 00:02:16,269 [lauNX] I'm doing good. 46 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:18,758 [lauNX] I'm still thinking about the win. 47 00:02:18,858 --> 00:02:21,548 [lauNX] As I said before, I feel... 48 00:02:21,645 --> 00:02:23,650 [lauNX] I still cannot believe it, kind of, you know? 49 00:02:24,211 --> 00:02:24,486 [Devilwalk] Yep. 50 00:02:24,611 --> 00:02:31,006 [lauNX] I mean, for me, it's been seven years of started playing professional CS and only now I won my first trophy, right? 51 00:02:31,045 --> 00:02:37,860 [lauNX] So all these years, all these struggles are like going above my head and I'm thinking like, wow, it actually happened. 52 00:02:37,881 --> 00:02:38,962 [lauNX] And yeah. 53 00:02:38,032 --> 00:02:50,657 [Banks] you know what i love about this as well right is i'll be honest with you because i'm always honest with you we have quite a few chats on instagram or at events together i remember when you were on sprout and you remember the the manager daniel 54 00:02:50,856 --> 00:02:51,518 [Banks] German guy. 55 00:02:51,598 --> 00:02:51,838 [Banks] Yeah. 56 00:02:52,460 --> 00:02:55,687 [Banks] He told me he was like, this guy is so good. 57 00:02:55,727 --> 00:02:57,971 [Banks] Like he's going to be the next best thing. 58 00:02:57,991 --> 00:02:59,294 [Banks] Like you need to watch this player. 59 00:02:59,715 --> 00:03:02,781 [Banks] And I remember telling him at the time, I said, I see him and I see it looks good. 60 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:04,704 [Banks] But I said, he's not there yet. 61 00:03:04,743 --> 00:03:09,574 [Banks] Like for me, he didn't have that special thing at that moment in time. 62 00:03:09,554 --> 00:03:20,627 [Banks] right but your development your growth your your persistence as going as a player and and what you've been able to do how you've matured and kind of the 63 00:03:14,971 --> 00:03:15,549 [lauNX] Thank you. 64 00:03:20,606 --> 00:03:38,514 [Banks] the career trajectory you've taken you know it's so different compared to what a lot of other players who are fighting for the top has been like so just let us start with that is you obviously knew you were always good but how did you actually now make it work when you've had so many up and downs 65 00:03:39,473 --> 00:03:55,508 [lauNX] yeah I mean I think first it's all coming from my mentality right because I think like the most two important things is one is that I have a big ego on myself and two I'm very self-critical on what I do and what I want for my life 66 00:03:55,487 --> 00:04:01,401 [lauNX] So, like I said, some expectations kind of from an early age and I just couldn't sleep on them. 67 00:03:58,896 --> 00:04:14,644 [Banks] Yeah. 68 00:04:01,823 --> 00:04:06,653 [lauNX] And it's also because I don't know how to say it, but like my mom is a warrior and she kind of raised me alone. 69 00:04:07,215 --> 00:04:13,569 [lauNX] And having her as a role model in my life, it's I don't know, I just cannot give up on something she fully trusted me on. 70 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:13,750 [lauNX] Right. 71 00:04:13,983 --> 00:04:25,103 [lauNX] It's like something I want to fight for me, but also for her, because she put like kind of her future, the family's future in me to, you know, go further and do is good for us. 72 00:04:26,404 --> 00:04:33,577 [lauNX] So this is like the biggest points kind of. 73 00:04:26,588 --> 00:04:41,086 [Devilwalk] that's obviously like incredible like just having such a role model but I was wondering a little bit actually on that question that Banks posed 74 00:04:33,793 --> 00:04:48,596 [lauNX] um right now 75 00:04:41,067 --> 00:04:51,329 [Devilwalk] you in Sprout like because right now you're kind of an emotional leader you're driving you know the players you're screaming a lot you know you're vocal and and 76 00:04:51,310 --> 00:05:00,189 [Devilwalk] I can see that you're giving motivation, you know, when someone does a good play, he's not, you know, left alone to just having that good play. 77 00:04:54,127 --> 00:05:08,543 [lauNX] Thank you. 78 00:05:00,209 --> 00:05:01,954 [Devilwalk] You let him know how good that was. 79 00:05:02,754 --> 00:05:10,331 [Devilwalk] Is that something you did in Sprout or is it something that you've kind of developed and felt comfortable in this team comparably to back then? 80 00:05:10,665 --> 00:05:28,033 [lauNX] I used to do it also in Sprout but not as much because I was a kid and I didn't I mean I'm still young but I don't see myself as a kid yeah but I don't I just don't see myself as a kid yet anymore I mean so yeah I mean I was doing it in Sprout but not a lot 81 00:05:16,370 --> 00:05:17,504 [Banks] You are still young. 82 00:05:22,124 --> 00:05:41,533 [Devilwalk] Were you a bit of a rager back then? 83 00:05:28,012 --> 00:05:32,644 [lauNX] Because back then I had so many problems in a mental way. 84 00:05:32,783 --> 00:05:34,367 [lauNX] I was always thinking about stats. 85 00:05:34,408 --> 00:05:36,572 [lauNX] I was always thinking about what people will say. 86 00:05:36,593 --> 00:05:40,302 [lauNX] And I was always getting up in my head. 87 00:05:43,184 --> 00:05:55,911 [lauNX] uh not rager on the team but i was raging on myself a lot like i never i never raged like never in my career and i can ask anyone for my teammates all teammates i never reached to anyone 88 00:05:47,908 --> 00:05:48,360 [Devilwalk] Okay. 89 00:05:48,331 --> 00:05:49,093 [Banks] Mm-hmm 90 00:05:48,935 --> 00:05:49,161 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 91 00:05:55,891 --> 00:06:07,841 [lauNX] inside the team or directly to a teammate and the only biggest problem with me and still is sometimes I expect way too much from myself and when I fail it hits me so hard that I go like 92 00:06:08,141 --> 00:06:10,464 [lauNX] very crazy sometimes, but just on myself. 93 00:06:10,966 --> 00:06:12,507 [lauNX] And then of course it affects the team. 94 00:06:12,848 --> 00:06:21,100 [lauNX] So that's why I'm working so much on it because I know if I can stop this mental thing in my head, then I can make it work even better. 95 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:27,348 [lauNX] So, yeah. 96 00:06:22,773 --> 00:06:24,177 [Devilwalk] It's a superpower. 97 00:06:24,418 --> 00:06:29,476 [Devilwalk] Like, you can look at all the, you know, great players that we've had. 98 00:06:25,303 --> 00:06:25,915 [Banks] Definitely. 99 00:06:27,952 --> 00:06:43,937 [lauNX] um 100 00:06:29,677 --> 00:06:34,233 [Devilwalk] You know, if you look at Apex, emotional leader, you know, he has had his struggles and, you know, 101 00:06:34,213 --> 00:06:36,721 [Devilwalk] throughout his career with dealing with that. 102 00:06:36,821 --> 00:06:42,999 [Devilwalk] But if you can harness it and use it for good, like you're doing right now in foot, it becomes like a superpower. 103 00:06:43,059 --> 00:06:46,327 [Devilwalk] You become super valuable for a team. 104 00:06:44,660 --> 00:06:50,620 [lauNX] Thank you. 105 00:06:46,608 --> 00:06:47,672 [Devilwalk] You can change the mood. 106 00:06:47,692 --> 00:06:49,336 [Devilwalk] You can shift moods from, you know, 107 00:06:49,317 --> 00:06:58,415 [Devilwalk] from going from the bottom to the top obviously you can you can do the reverse as well but you at least have the power to control it in some sense 108 00:06:59,459 --> 00:07:00,661 [Banks] Definitely. 109 00:06:59,762 --> 00:07:10,211 [lauNX] yeah i mean for me it's also a bit lucky because i got the chance to play with such young players right because 110 00:07:10,192 --> 00:07:16,687 [lauNX] I feel like if I would have played in another more experienced team, I don't think I would have had the same results. 111 00:07:17,588 --> 00:07:25,567 [lauNX] Because I feel with these guys we connect in so many different ways and we got so close to each other in such a short time that... 112 00:07:25,548 --> 00:07:29,654 [lauNX] I don't think it would have been possible with someone twice my age. 113 00:07:29,675 --> 00:07:31,406 [lauNX] And that's just the reality of things. 114 00:07:30,238 --> 00:07:47,555 [Banks] yeah and that happens by the way for so many players i think i remember talking to you guys inclusion of poker and i remember talking to coolio and some of the other players on your team and i just said the best thing you guys can do is stay together because if one player gets taken from this and breaks this up 115 00:07:47,536 --> 00:07:55,898 [Banks] that player probably won't end up so happy on another team because he won't be given the same voice, the same freedom, you know, like what you guys have built. 116 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:01,291 [Banks] I know people joke and meme on the fact that people say family in a team, but I mean... 117 00:08:01,271 --> 00:08:05,401 [Banks] There are a lot of teams that say family, and we already know they're not a family, right? 118 00:08:05,271 --> 00:08:22,452 [lauNX] I mean... Yeah, Misuta replaced my cause and I replaced Misuta. 119 00:08:05,422 --> 00:08:06,964 [Banks] You can see it from how they behave and act. 120 00:08:07,346 --> 00:08:09,672 [Banks] But you guys are a different breed. 121 00:08:09,711 --> 00:08:13,661 [Banks] And the thing I wanted to look at with that is you were the last player into the team. 122 00:08:14,502 --> 00:08:16,848 [Banks] Obviously, Mikazi goes out, you come in, right? 123 00:08:17,437 --> 00:08:18,540 [Devilwalk] It was my foot, wasn't it? 124 00:08:17,589 --> 00:08:17,930 [Banks] Um... 125 00:08:20,223 --> 00:08:23,166 [Banks] Was Masuda on full? 126 00:08:23,226 --> 00:08:25,350 [Banks] But he was never full for the roster, if I'm right. 127 00:08:24,997 --> 00:08:29,677 [lauNX] No, he got signed in the beginning with the main roster and he played for one month. 128 00:08:25,531 --> 00:08:25,771 [Banks] Yeah. 129 00:08:28,028 --> 00:08:29,473 [Devilwalk] Yeah, it was like a month. 130 00:08:28,194 --> 00:08:28,295 [Banks] Ah. 131 00:08:29,798 --> 00:08:30,019 [lauNX] Yeah. 132 00:08:30,057 --> 00:08:31,879 [Banks] It was so short, I thought it was like a loan. 133 00:08:31,425 --> 00:08:31,666 [lauNX] Yeah. 134 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,201 [Banks] They weren't happy with him, and then he went. 135 00:08:33,261 --> 00:08:34,342 [Banks] Okay, so he even got signed. 136 00:08:34,619 --> 00:08:35,261 [lauNX] He got signed, yes. 137 00:08:34,903 --> 00:08:38,249 [Banks] So Masuda was signed, then he went, and then they found you. 138 00:08:38,349 --> 00:08:38,889 [Banks] But... 139 00:08:39,595 --> 00:08:49,115 [Banks] What was it like for you coming into a team where, including the coach, five people have been together for so long, and then you are like the outsider stepping on into the team? 140 00:08:50,226 --> 00:08:57,562 [lauNX] I mean, not a big problem because I feel all my career I've been going around teams, joining new people, new lineups, old lineups. 141 00:08:58,325 --> 00:09:02,354 [lauNX] I've been in all the scrambles possible in the national scene when I was young. 142 00:09:02,433 --> 00:09:05,822 [lauNX] I played in every itineration lineup possible, so... 143 00:09:05,227 --> 00:09:18,681 [Banks] Mm-hmm. 144 00:09:05,802 --> 00:09:12,057 [lauNX] I think on that side, again, I got a lot of experience and personally it didn't affect me in any way. 145 00:09:12,217 --> 00:09:16,568 [lauNX] If anything, it made it easier because it's only me who has to get close to them. 146 00:09:16,649 --> 00:09:17,751 [lauNX] It's not them to me, right? 147 00:09:18,092 --> 00:09:20,357 [lauNX] So I can get used to everything very fast. 148 00:09:20,418 --> 00:09:22,342 [lauNX] Also in real life, I don't have problems with... 149 00:09:22,322 --> 00:09:26,322 [lauNX] Learning new stuff, learning new people, getting to know the culture, getting to know the rules. 150 00:09:26,803 --> 00:09:27,287 [lauNX] I like it. 151 00:09:27,326 --> 00:09:28,070 [lauNX] It's a new challenge. 152 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:28,451 [lauNX] Why not? 153 00:09:29,748 --> 00:09:30,208 [Banks] That's nice. 154 00:09:30,249 --> 00:09:32,515 [Banks] It's a positive mindset to have of it all as well. 155 00:09:33,097 --> 00:09:41,884 [Banks] And how quickly, if you're being honest, did it come together where you felt so close with the other individuals and 156 00:09:41,864 --> 00:09:43,787 [Banks] Like, how did that process work? 157 00:09:43,807 --> 00:09:45,028 [Banks] How were you all able to do it? 158 00:09:45,089 --> 00:09:46,551 [Banks] Because obviously, it's not just your work. 159 00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:49,775 [Banks] It's the team's work, the coaches work, you know, it's everyone around you. 160 00:09:50,452 --> 00:10:04,698 [lauNX] I think the moment we kind of glued together it was winning Drakulon I think prior to Drakulon we won some online tournaments but that's nothing because when you win a LAN tournament even if it was a small LAN tournament 161 00:10:01,052 --> 00:10:01,273 [Banks] Yeah. 162 00:10:04,678 --> 00:10:11,711 [lauNX] Like just the feeling of winning a trophy together, like everyone is feeling the emotions, like smiling, you know, it's good. 163 00:10:11,831 --> 00:10:12,813 [lauNX] It's a crazy feeling. 164 00:10:13,014 --> 00:10:15,437 [lauNX] I mean, Deville, you know for sure, you did it many times. 165 00:10:15,899 --> 00:10:18,023 [lauNX] It's like you can't get enough of it. 166 00:10:18,143 --> 00:10:20,847 [lauNX] Every time it's the same feeling, but it's so nice. 167 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:18,927 [Devilwalk] Yep. 168 00:10:20,827 --> 00:10:25,399 [lauNX] And I think that moment, it's when we kind of got very close together. 169 00:10:25,460 --> 00:10:28,066 [lauNX] And then from there, we just jumped. 170 00:10:25,672 --> 00:10:37,520 [Banks] Yeah. 171 00:10:28,125 --> 00:10:31,254 [lauNX] Like each tournament we went by, it was the Jim Hextall home. 172 00:10:31,495 --> 00:10:32,798 [lauNX] There we lost in the grand finals. 173 00:10:32,878 --> 00:10:36,407 [lauNX] But again, our style, we choked the finals, but we got to run. 174 00:10:36,758 --> 00:10:40,323 [lauNX] And then with bigger tournaments, it was just the same beautiful story. 175 00:10:40,644 --> 00:10:54,868 [lauNX] We fail, but we learn, we fix, and then next tournament we do better. 176 00:10:45,331 --> 00:11:02,073 [Devilwalk] So would you say that this has kind of been you know because you've always hovered you know around the top 20 mark you know you've you know competed in that kind of I don't know gateway towards tier one for quite a while even before you joined the lineup. 177 00:10:55,404 --> 00:11:06,528 [lauNX] Hi. 178 00:11:02,053 --> 00:11:09,705 [Devilwalk] But the Dracula, was it like a springboard of belief for you guys that you can do it even at bigger scenes? 179 00:11:10,929 --> 00:11:30,711 [lauNX] I think so because it was a LAN tournament again it was like that was the biggest question mark with this lineup like biggest what if I think for anyone like can they do it I mean can we do it on LAN like can they actually do the same stuff on LAN than online and yes we do it but 180 00:11:21,822 --> 00:11:22,003 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 181 00:11:30,909 --> 00:11:32,352 [lauNX] Actually, we do it even better. 182 00:11:32,714 --> 00:11:34,879 [lauNX] We are much more confident on LAN. 183 00:11:34,958 --> 00:11:36,282 [lauNX] We feel much better on LAN. 184 00:11:36,863 --> 00:11:41,133 [lauNX] The mental is much more positive on LAN because we are next to each other. 185 00:11:41,533 --> 00:11:43,177 [lauNX] If someone is sad, we can lift him up. 186 00:11:43,216 --> 00:11:44,379 [lauNX] There is no problem with that. 187 00:11:44,629 --> 00:11:46,313 [lauNX] We try to be there for each other. 188 00:11:46,654 --> 00:11:51,004 [lauNX] But when you're at home, it's not the same because you can't see what the other guy is doing right next to you. 189 00:11:51,586 --> 00:11:55,315 [lauNX] You can say nice try and then next moment you mute and you just slam everything in your room. 190 00:11:55,294 --> 00:11:57,197 [lauNX] And that's not good, but I can know it. 191 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,705 [lauNX] So that's the good side about playing with us, because we see our flaws. 192 00:12:00,965 --> 00:12:01,986 [lauNX] We see when we tilt. 193 00:12:02,086 --> 00:12:04,311 [lauNX] We see when we don't feel good in the game. 194 00:12:04,331 --> 00:12:06,676 [lauNX] And then we can just, okay, look, on the vote, you did that. 195 00:12:06,716 --> 00:12:07,356 [lauNX] Why did you do that? 196 00:12:07,397 --> 00:12:08,619 [lauNX] Why did you feel bad? 197 00:12:08,678 --> 00:12:09,341 [lauNX] Like, what happened? 198 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:09,760 [lauNX] Tell me. 199 00:12:10,101 --> 00:12:10,722 [lauNX] I can fix it. 200 00:12:10,822 --> 00:12:12,405 [lauNX] Or maybe Kuljo can fix it. 201 00:12:12,547 --> 00:12:13,388 [lauNX] Someone can fix it. 202 00:12:12,827 --> 00:12:16,895 [Banks] Yeah. 203 00:12:13,604 --> 00:12:14,485 [lauNX] There is always a fix. 204 00:12:14,527 --> 00:12:15,610 [lauNX] We just need to speak about it. 205 00:12:16,916 --> 00:12:26,754 [Banks] And do you think it's quite actually good, the dynamic you guys have in the team, where it's a European team, but it's kind of like an Eastern European team overall, yeah? 206 00:12:25,918 --> 00:12:27,461 [lauNX] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 207 00:12:26,875 --> 00:12:31,464 [Banks] Like, all of you are from that side of Europe, where the mentality, like, I live in Ukraine, right? 208 00:12:31,484 --> 00:12:32,405 [Banks] I understand... 209 00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:36,592 [Banks] how some of this mentality works and the differences between say, the Western Europe teams. 210 00:12:36,633 --> 00:12:49,176 [Banks] Do you think that's a very important factor of how you have these conversations? 211 00:12:37,668 --> 00:12:56,097 [lauNX] Yes, totally, totally, because I feel like for sure there are some people in Western countries that have been living a bad life from the start, like, you know, but I think dominantly us Eastern Europeans were more used to getting the shovel, you know. 212 00:12:49,196 --> 00:12:49,416 [Banks] Yeah. 213 00:12:56,077 --> 00:13:10,475 [lauNX] with the dirt yeah you need to get the potatoes out of the dirt and stuff like this so I mean we're used to this as Eastern Europeans right so when it comes down to mentality and struggles I think we are more 214 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,364 [Banks] A bit of a hard slap every now and again. 215 00:12:58,384 --> 00:13:12,720 [Banks] Yeah. 216 00:13:10,809 --> 00:13:25,679 [lauNX] dominant in this way at least that's how I see it I don't think someone at least me I didn't have a beautiful blossom life from the get-go you know like my mom struggled to buy me stuff when I was young but she did her best so yeah and 217 00:13:25,102 --> 00:13:41,188 [Banks] It's interesting because when I make the comparison, right, and it's nothing against people who had a better condition, but if I look at some of the Western European players, they can be quite soft where I've seen a team manager or a team coach say to them, this wasn't good, yeah? 218 00:13:31,398 --> 00:13:32,119 [lauNX] Yeah, of course. 219 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:44,715 [Banks] And they're like, oh, no, I can't take it, that kind of thing. 220 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:44,763 [lauNX] That's not good. 221 00:13:44,883 --> 00:13:45,683 [lauNX] No, that's not good. 222 00:13:45,217 --> 00:13:50,666 [Banks] And, you know, it's like, if that bothers them, then how can you have those open and honest conversations? 223 00:13:45,804 --> 00:13:46,065 [lauNX] I don't know. 224 00:13:51,047 --> 00:13:54,211 [Banks] And from what I see, obviously, I know Coolio pretty well. 225 00:13:54,532 --> 00:13:59,460 [Banks] I speak a lot more to you, but like, I try to just observe what happens in your team. 226 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:03,986 [Banks] And it seems like everyone, from when I've been at events with you guys, 227 00:14:03,966 --> 00:14:23,442 [Banks] takes the bullshit with no problem no one's sat there in a corner crying they may not like it all the time but everyone gets on with it yeah 228 00:14:08,523 --> 00:14:18,515 [lauNX] yeah i think that's the good thing about our team and i think maybe sometimes it's too much because like i'm not used to it because 229 00:14:19,070 --> 00:14:30,596 [lauNX] In my past teams, like Falcons, Bleeds, Proud, Revenant, like these guys were just trying to impose the professionalism and pro whatever stuff, but they didn't even do it themselves, so whatever. 230 00:14:31,398 --> 00:14:35,947 [lauNX] But here, what I like is that you can feel... 231 00:14:36,534 --> 00:14:41,727 [lauNX] It's full friendly and full family because it feels like I'm talking to a friend and we're just taking shit to each other. 232 00:14:38,559 --> 00:14:52,663 [Banks] Yeah. 233 00:14:42,129 --> 00:14:48,203 [lauNX] And yeah, maybe, I don't know, I will be very mad on you and I might think about throwing something at you in the night. 234 00:14:48,583 --> 00:14:52,394 [lauNX] But the next day when we fix the mistakes, we'll be completely happy about it. 235 00:14:52,413 --> 00:14:53,716 [lauNX] And that's the good thing about it. 236 00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:53,145 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 237 00:14:53,966 --> 00:15:00,419 [lauNX] And they say it very directly, like sometimes like mid game when everyone is completely chill, we are winning. 238 00:14:54,086 --> 00:14:54,206 [Banks] Yeah. 239 00:15:00,841 --> 00:15:07,534 [lauNX] I hear someone like full flaming the other guy and I'm like, hey, no, no, don't start. 240 00:15:07,575 --> 00:15:11,503 [lauNX] But then I'm thinking that's how they got used to it and it's good. 241 00:15:11,956 --> 00:15:12,958 [lauNX] I should let them have it. 242 00:15:12,023 --> 00:15:22,607 [Banks] Yeah. 243 00:15:13,119 --> 00:15:14,822 [lauNX] Because that's how they fix their mistakes. 244 00:15:14,842 --> 00:15:16,005 [lauNX] And they do it even in-game. 245 00:15:16,326 --> 00:15:20,798 [lauNX] Like... Most of the time they fix it like... If I... I've... Mostly it's not me. 246 00:15:20,979 --> 00:15:21,801 [lauNX] It's usually Kraben. 247 00:15:22,562 --> 00:15:24,769 [lauNX] Telling us that we... Fuck up some rounds. 248 00:15:22,628 --> 00:15:22,707 [Banks] Mhm. 249 00:15:24,908 --> 00:15:25,289 [lauNX] But... 250 00:15:27,143 --> 00:15:28,785 [lauNX] Yeah, I think everyone is taking it good. 251 00:15:28,826 --> 00:15:30,269 [lauNX] We might get offended by it. 252 00:15:30,369 --> 00:15:31,691 [lauNX] We might talk back to each other. 253 00:15:31,770 --> 00:15:47,058 [lauNX] But in the end, we dispute it and it's fixed. 254 00:15:35,107 --> 00:15:52,037 [Banks] and we got to look at this right just getting more on to Bucharest and what happened I'm not going to go into details about the events you you've had with foot because you guys have had some really solid events but I I want to just talk quickly about the development before we get to Bucharest is that like 255 00:15:52,017 --> 00:16:08,980 [Banks] you guys started the year by getting tier one events right you had blast bounty top 16 you then have crack out you make it to the main krakow event right 9th to 12th clues 9th to 11th but you could have made playoffs like everywhere we're looking we're seeing growth and development 256 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,725 [Banks] Then Pro League, fourth place. 257 00:16:10,885 --> 00:16:15,119 [Banks] Okay, there wasn't the Vitality and Falcons there, but there was still a lot of other really good teams there. 258 00:16:15,681 --> 00:16:19,392 [Banks] Obviously, the Mals game, for example, huge one. 259 00:16:19,371 --> 00:16:24,861 [Banks] But then Bucharest, this level up, and you beat all the good teams that were there. 260 00:16:25,123 --> 00:16:38,427 [Banks] Like, this was such a legit run from you guys, getting revenge on ParaVision, taking down Mongols, taking down Astralis, obviously, which was another revenge story at the same time. 261 00:16:39,605 --> 00:16:44,173 [Banks] Did you guys come into the mindset of Bucharest that this was a tournament like we're going to win? 262 00:16:44,193 --> 00:16:46,307 [Banks] Or how does Foote approach this? 263 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:51,530 [lauNX] Okay, first I'm going to speak on the team side and then I will speak on personal side. 264 00:16:52,072 --> 00:16:57,543 [lauNX] So on the team side, on the team side, food, like this is what I like about food. 265 00:16:57,884 --> 00:16:59,386 [lauNX] And this is why I think we do good. 266 00:17:00,028 --> 00:17:03,115 [lauNX] Because in the other organizations, people... 267 00:17:03,414 --> 00:17:11,434 [lauNX] not only that they push the idea that you need to win the trophy, but it's like, unless you don't win the trophy, then you know something bad is going to happen. 268 00:17:12,036 --> 00:17:15,945 [lauNX] So then, so then at least that's how it happened in my past teams. 269 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:23,634 [Banks] Oh Yeah That's not good 270 00:17:16,006 --> 00:17:18,571 [lauNX] Like, like it was always this, you know, 271 00:17:18,821 --> 00:17:36,425 [lauNX] best results instantly instantly this and that but it's not like this once you start putting this crazy I mean maybe it's not crazy for the lineups we had or like lineups that were built with other players not only me and stuff like this but you can't just expect people you throw them some things on a note and you expect them to do it in six months 272 00:17:36,540 --> 00:17:39,227 [lauNX] It's just not possible, and you'll make it even worse. 273 00:17:39,247 --> 00:17:40,289 [lauNX] But FUT is not doing it. 274 00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:44,278 [lauNX] If anything, FUT is going, guys, hey, go game by game. 275 00:17:44,358 --> 00:17:46,423 [lauNX] You already made us incredibly happy. 276 00:17:46,724 --> 00:17:50,393 [lauNX] Like, we went top three in our VRS, and I think not even them expected it, right? 277 00:17:50,472 --> 00:17:54,823 [lauNX] I mean, they expected success, but not this kind of success in such a short amount of time. 278 00:17:50,951 --> 00:18:01,114 [Banks] Mm hmm. 279 00:17:54,843 --> 00:17:55,545 [lauNX] I think no one did. 280 00:17:56,048 --> 00:17:56,670 [lauNX] Not even me. 281 00:17:57,250 --> 00:17:58,294 [lauNX] And maybe not even them. 282 00:17:58,354 --> 00:18:08,381 [lauNX] I think if anyone would say to us three months ago that we are going to be top three in the world VRS and like win tier one events and stuff like this, I would probably say like, no, you are crazy, man. 283 00:18:08,401 --> 00:18:09,483 [lauNX] I get out of you. 284 00:18:09,733 --> 00:18:12,058 [lauNX] You want me to go crazy also. 285 00:18:13,541 --> 00:18:16,869 [lauNX] Team-wise, I think there is no pressure at any event. 286 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:22,842 [lauNX] If anything, they want us to go game by game and get experience so we can do even better in the major stages, right? 287 00:18:22,863 --> 00:18:29,076 [lauNX] Because in the end, the major is coming and we need to do good there and give a good punch. 288 00:18:29,056 --> 00:18:48,246 [lauNX] but on a personal side now i can say it because i couldn't say it in the tournament because again you can jinx it and stuff but i truly came up in Bucharest with the idea that we're going to win it i told everyone that was close to me like pro players family friends i told everyone if i'm not going to win this Bucharest then 289 00:18:37,762 --> 00:18:38,308 [Banks] Thank you. 290 00:18:48,444 --> 00:19:02,589 [lauNX] it's not me like I told them with the teams when I saw the teams I told everyone like hey we win this for sure like I know the current state of this lineup we have right now how we shoot how we play there is no way these teams can take us down if we fix our mental stuff 291 00:19:01,961 --> 00:19:02,387 [Banks] Yeah. 292 00:19:02,569 --> 00:19:20,275 [lauNX] and it happened we fixed our mental problems we stopped throwing stupid rounds of course there were still some silly rounds we lost but it's understandable but again we fixed what was the biggest problem and we won the tournament so I'm more than happy 293 00:19:18,262 --> 00:19:20,767 [Devilwalk] So were you at a boot camp before? 294 00:19:20,557 --> 00:19:37,117 [lauNX] I mean, we had a boot. 295 00:19:21,749 --> 00:19:32,425 [Devilwalk] Because I think you released, you know, some kind of video recording where Symmetry said that he was going to be MVP before the tournament started in Bucharest. 296 00:19:34,128 --> 00:19:36,913 [Devilwalk] It has to. 297 00:19:37,618 --> 00:19:37,960 [lauNX] Say, say. 298 00:19:38,277 --> 00:19:45,914 [Devilwalk] Yeah, it was the feeling always, you know, that you're going to win PGL Bucharest from within the roster itself. 299 00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:43,123 [lauNX] you know 300 00:19:46,731 --> 00:19:47,993 [lauNX] This is the thing. 301 00:19:48,075 --> 00:19:59,977 [lauNX] I think everyone in this lineup thinks that we can win so many trophies and stuff, but everyone is so humble and so normal that we just don't want to say it to each other because I don't think it's also good. 302 00:19:54,134 --> 00:19:54,816 [Devilwalk] Okay. 303 00:19:54,836 --> 00:19:54,935 [Devilwalk] Okay. 304 00:20:00,017 --> 00:20:01,500 [lauNX] I think it's nice how we handle it. 305 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,815 [lauNX] And how Coolio is telling everyone, like, okay, we won a tournament, but we are not the top of the world. 306 00:20:05,835 --> 00:20:06,778 [lauNX] Like, hey, calm down. 307 00:20:08,021 --> 00:20:09,246 [lauNX] We need to get back to the grind. 308 00:20:08,315 --> 00:20:08,590 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 309 00:20:09,326 --> 00:20:12,537 [lauNX] It's not like we won everything in one tournament. 310 00:20:12,247 --> 00:20:21,867 [Banks] Of course. 311 00:20:12,517 --> 00:20:22,948 [lauNX] so yeah but of course we make jokes because in the end like if you make jokes about something there is a bit of reality to it right and 312 00:20:23,941 --> 00:20:25,042 [lauNX] Yeah, I mean, we believe it. 313 00:20:25,284 --> 00:20:26,085 [lauNX] Of course we believe it. 314 00:20:26,486 --> 00:20:42,979 [lauNX] I think if we wouldn't believe that we can make these good runs in tournaments, I don't think we would have been here. 315 00:20:35,737 --> 00:20:45,056 [Devilwalk] I also have another question because I think a lot of people kind of categorize your team as, you know, they shoot really, really hard. 316 00:20:43,651 --> 00:20:56,479 [lauNX] Yeah. 317 00:20:45,836 --> 00:20:50,465 [Devilwalk] Do you feel like that's a kind of a mischaracterization of your team? 318 00:20:51,028 --> 00:20:53,271 [Devilwalk] Like it's not only shooting hard. 319 00:20:53,291 --> 00:20:55,737 [Devilwalk] I mean, Counter-Strike is so much more than that. 320 00:20:55,717 --> 00:21:07,144 [Devilwalk] how would you describe your team if you got the chance to kind of like give yourself a description what you're good at why are you winning games why were you so efficient here at Bucharest 321 00:20:58,788 --> 00:21:17,910 [lauNX] I mean for me I mean of course yeah we're insane shooters there is no doubt in that but one more thing that I think is helping us is 322 00:21:00,289 --> 00:21:00,700 [Banks] Thank you. 323 00:21:18,785 --> 00:21:29,463 [lauNX] I think with the fact that, again, we are all coming from the same region of Europe and we all kind of have the same path, you know, grind, face it, play your best, you know, grind for your dream and stuff like this. 324 00:21:30,045 --> 00:21:33,351 [lauNX] We all have this very crazy chaotic playstyle. 325 00:21:33,684 --> 00:21:44,708 [lauNX] And we got so used to it that I feel like most of the tier 1 pros, especially the veteran ones already in the scene, they're just not used to it. 326 00:21:44,688 --> 00:21:55,086 [lauNX] I think now it will be a mixture of, how should I say it, more experienced Pacers and a lot of upcomers coming now, hard-shooting. 327 00:21:55,145 --> 00:21:56,448 [lauNX] It will be like a mix of both. 328 00:21:57,170 --> 00:22:01,396 [lauNX] But with us, what Julio is doing, this is what I like about Julio. 329 00:22:01,376 --> 00:22:19,790 [lauNX] he's making strats and our notebook pretty structured like it's not like we're headless chickens if anything it's odd it's the opposite like we know what we want to do we have a prior plan like we know what the enemies are doing we know the weak points we try to attack the weak points 330 00:22:08,936 --> 00:22:16,872 [Banks] Okay. 331 00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:24,518 [lauNX] We know our flaws before the game, so what we shouldn't do, what we should change a bit. 332 00:22:25,318 --> 00:22:28,544 [lauNX] We really try to keep it as structured as possible. 333 00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:34,313 [lauNX] In the same time, we are trying to add from our individual mind, in the crazy situations, our personal plays. 334 00:22:34,733 --> 00:22:37,037 [lauNX] Because most of the time, and I'm not even kidding, 335 00:22:37,472 --> 00:22:41,861 [lauNX] The plays you see, the ones, like, the crazy shots and plays, like, we don't even speak about it. 336 00:22:40,882 --> 00:22:52,579 [Banks] Yeah. 337 00:22:42,161 --> 00:22:42,923 [lauNX] It's just happening. 338 00:22:43,262 --> 00:22:47,270 [lauNX] Like, people are just going, like, Demon is just like, bam, bam, three Deagle headshots. 339 00:22:47,290 --> 00:22:48,452 [lauNX] You don't understand what's happening. 340 00:22:48,472 --> 00:22:49,273 [lauNX] He's not even talking. 341 00:22:49,575 --> 00:22:50,497 [lauNX] He's just killing everyone. 342 00:22:50,517 --> 00:22:51,238 [lauNX] And then you wander around. 343 00:22:51,818 --> 00:22:52,840 [lauNX] And it's the same with everyone. 344 00:22:53,501 --> 00:22:56,847 [lauNX] And I think that's coming from the grind we did when we were, I mean, 345 00:22:57,148 --> 00:23:09,498 [lauNX] We're still young, but because we're playing for so long, it's kind of paying off because we got used to so many situations and we got so comfortable with the chaos that's happening in tier one games that for us is like a paradise. 346 00:23:00,332 --> 00:23:00,612 [Banks] Yep. 347 00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:13,548 [lauNX] When I see three smokes flying, four molotovs and flashes, it's like I'm back in face it with my friends. 348 00:23:13,607 --> 00:23:13,909 [lauNX] Let's go. 349 00:23:14,128 --> 00:23:14,871 [lauNX] Let's fight. 350 00:23:15,391 --> 00:23:16,413 [Banks] Everyone's just going for it. 351 00:23:16,432 --> 00:23:19,459 [Banks] Everyone's on the same idea, the same way of doing it, pushing forward. 352 00:23:17,939 --> 00:23:18,416 [lauNX] Yeah. 353 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:24,608 [Banks] And that's what you want in a Counter-Strike team that's working and fluid and playing off each other. 354 00:23:24,628 --> 00:23:30,160 [Banks] I also wanted to ask a bit similar to what Devalt was saying about Cemetery, is that... 355 00:23:30,291 --> 00:23:32,634 [Banks] I look at both events, which you guys won, right? 356 00:23:32,674 --> 00:23:34,938 [Banks] The Dracula and obviously now Bucharest being the big one. 357 00:23:35,578 --> 00:23:40,224 [Banks] This is where he's been at his best, but he has had struggles this year. 358 00:23:40,244 --> 00:23:44,790 [Banks] He's not performed up to maybe the same standard of what he would want himself to be at. 359 00:23:45,392 --> 00:23:48,155 [Banks] What did you notice that was different in him for this event, right? 360 00:23:48,175 --> 00:23:49,076 [Banks] Because... 361 00:23:49,057 --> 00:23:51,778 [Banks] It's not just a great performance, it's an MVP performance. 362 00:23:51,898 --> 00:23:52,906 [Banks] It's huge. 363 00:23:54,727 --> 00:23:59,976 [lauNX] No, I think it's just, as I said, it's just he's gaining experience. 364 00:24:00,057 --> 00:24:01,259 [lauNX] Everyone is gaining experience. 365 00:24:01,358 --> 00:24:07,849 [lauNX] And with each tournament we play, I can see them growing confident and confident and confident, believing in themselves. 366 00:24:08,511 --> 00:24:10,756 [lauNX] They want to take more risks during the match. 367 00:24:10,836 --> 00:24:14,321 [lauNX] And that's why they get this crazy place and they get those MVP stats. 368 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:17,693 [lauNX] Because now everyone is willing to take the risk most of the times. 369 00:24:18,097 --> 00:24:29,801 [Banks] Yeah. 370 00:24:18,214 --> 00:24:28,930 [lauNX] Before, against good teams, yes, sometimes we were taking the risk, but if they started coming back on us, we were then kind of in a choke hold and then we stopped doing the moves. 371 00:24:29,349 --> 00:24:32,714 [lauNX] But now, even if we get stomped, we are still trying to do the moves. 372 00:24:33,116 --> 00:24:46,501 [lauNX] so it's good like we are working on it 373 00:24:37,015 --> 00:24:54,061 [Devilwalk] Do you think your team is like, is better because, I mean, I look at your game sometimes and you love to contact, you love to go for space with like, you know, Mirage, for example, you can sneak up short all the way or sneak up con and you kind of just continue until you get a duel. 374 00:24:37,196 --> 00:24:37,457 [Banks] And... 375 00:24:47,038 --> 00:25:06,583 [lauNX] you know, 376 00:24:54,041 --> 00:24:55,444 [Devilwalk] at certain points. 377 00:24:56,448 --> 00:25:09,739 [Devilwalk] Do you feel like that just is something that you as a team are very good at and can make work because you have such skilled players that you feel you're confident if I end up in a one-on-one duel, I'm going to win it? 378 00:25:08,436 --> 00:25:08,826 [lauNX] Truly. 379 00:25:09,719 --> 00:25:14,952 [Devilwalk] And therefore you apply so much pressure on the other opponents, they can't really handle it. 380 00:25:09,913 --> 00:25:10,077 [lauNX] Yeah. 381 00:25:15,405 --> 00:25:16,008 [lauNX] Yeah, for sure. 382 00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:21,722 [lauNX] I mean, I don't want to, again, it's not about having a big ego or because we won a tournament. 383 00:25:21,742 --> 00:25:25,693 [lauNX] But I do feel like in Tier 1, we have like one of the strongest lineups aim-wise. 384 00:25:25,834 --> 00:25:30,968 [lauNX] Like if I look at all the players, like us five, if you take like head-to-head role-wise, 385 00:25:30,474 --> 00:25:30,626 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 386 00:25:30,948 --> 00:25:46,509 [lauNX] There might be a better opard, there might be a better rifler, but in the end, us five all together, I feel we have such a strong firepower that we can take on everybody. 387 00:25:37,022 --> 00:25:50,880 [Banks] Let me try to find it. 388 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,503 [Devilwalk] I completely agree. 389 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:53,286 [Devilwalk] I remember when Major said it in an interview that you guys have... I can't remember the exact quote, but he was comparing you to the vitalities and etc. 390 00:25:47,501 --> 00:26:07,366 [lauNX] Ah. 391 00:25:53,365 --> 00:25:54,387 [Devilwalk] in terms of firepower. 392 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:59,537 [Devilwalk] And he pretty much got, by the entire community, said he's a delusional... 393 00:25:59,517 --> 00:26:07,198 [Devilwalk] idiot or something like and I agree with Major I said it in this podcast when that interview came out uh 394 00:26:08,781 --> 00:26:25,051 [Devilwalk] Because getting kills isn't really about firepower, but if you look at your situations that you end up getting into, it's a lot about firepower, reflexes, and individual skill, comparably to maybe even vitality. 395 00:26:10,974 --> 00:26:24,006 [lauNX] it's really about higher power but if you look at your situation 396 00:26:25,977 --> 00:26:36,134 [lauNX] I mean, the thing is, of course, compared to Vitality, I think it's like the biggest difference because Vitality is playing so good and so structured. 397 00:26:34,567 --> 00:26:34,887 [Devilwalk] Yes. 398 00:26:36,174 --> 00:26:38,159 [lauNX] They just pick up kills by utility. 399 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:39,361 [lauNX] They molly you out. 400 00:26:39,381 --> 00:26:39,922 [lauNX] They flash you. 401 00:26:39,942 --> 00:26:40,963 [lauNX] You are dead in one second. 402 00:26:40,983 --> 00:26:41,324 [lauNX] Goodbye. 403 00:26:41,357 --> 00:26:41,438 [Devilwalk] Yep. 404 00:26:41,625 --> 00:26:42,626 [lauNX] That's it. 405 00:26:42,707 --> 00:26:43,327 [lauNX] They won the round. 406 00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:46,717 [lauNX] But then, again, with us, if we don't find a kill, we do some smokes. 407 00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:48,019 [lauNX] They are blind. 408 00:26:48,058 --> 00:26:48,680 [lauNX] We are blind. 409 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,946 [lauNX] And somehow, out of a sudden, you just see someone, like, flicking fast. 410 00:26:52,047 --> 00:26:52,428 [lauNX] Bam, bam. 411 00:26:52,867 --> 00:26:53,869 [lauNX] And you have the advantage. 412 00:26:54,511 --> 00:26:55,393 [lauNX] And that's the thing with us. 413 00:26:56,214 --> 00:26:58,920 [lauNX] That's what's, like, that's our... 414 00:26:59,203 --> 00:27:15,593 [lauNX] our card in the sleeve you know we have this fast reflexes everyone and we're kind of all on the same page most of the time and yeah yeah yeah yeah 415 00:27:01,027 --> 00:27:14,479 [Devilwalk] it's fun definitely fun 416 00:27:08,349 --> 00:27:10,135 [Banks] And it's beautiful. 417 00:27:10,436 --> 00:27:10,999 [Banks] It's what you want. 418 00:27:11,019 --> 00:27:11,862 [Banks] That's what you need. 419 00:27:11,942 --> 00:27:13,907 [Banks] And what many teams can never build, yeah? 420 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,319 [Banks] To bring up that quote as well, right? 421 00:27:17,339 --> 00:27:18,343 [Banks] This is where... 422 00:27:18,678 --> 00:27:25,832 [Banks] It's a bit harsh on Magi, because HLTV only put part of the quote out and said, foot shoot better than Spirit, Vitality, or Falcons, right? 423 00:27:25,681 --> 00:27:25,957 [lauNX] Yeah. 424 00:27:25,852 --> 00:27:32,244 [Banks] It is kind of what he said, but he said, when I play Spirit or Vitality, or I play Falcons, foot are shooting better than all of these teams. 425 00:27:32,586 --> 00:27:38,678 [Banks] Yesterday, they really shoot better than every opponent I've played right now, so really congrats to them, but hopefully next time we can get our revenge. 426 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:46,457 [Banks] this is where the community is a bit stupid because what they think is like oh well they have donk or they have nico right and like you just said louse it could be 427 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:48,733 [Banks] Donk shoots better, yeah. 428 00:27:49,075 --> 00:27:54,588 [Banks] But if you're looking at it as a five versus five right now, look at even, look at Kribeni, for example. 429 00:27:50,285 --> 00:28:07,230 [lauNX] yeah that's what i mean he's he's the craziest i've seen in my life i don't think i've ever seen and i'm telling you since i'm young i i liked watching 430 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:51,641 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 431 00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:55,951 [Banks] This guy's an IGL. 432 00:27:56,492 --> 00:27:59,580 [Banks] He is, he's shooting harder than any other IGL. 433 00:27:59,922 --> 00:28:01,105 [Banks] Any other IGL. 434 00:28:07,565 --> 00:28:17,243 [lauNX] 1.6 clips, source clips, like every CS itineration clip, highlights and movies just to get the confidence, the feeling of being professional. 435 00:28:09,167 --> 00:28:09,548 [Banks] Yep. 436 00:28:18,266 --> 00:28:20,851 [lauNX] But I don't know, like Raben is something from the outer world. 437 00:28:20,911 --> 00:28:24,017 [lauNX] I swear, even with calling and shooting, he's like something else most of the time. 438 00:28:24,037 --> 00:28:25,539 [lauNX] I don't understand how he's doing it. 439 00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:28,005 [Devilwalk] I feel like it's an Albanian slash Kosovo thing. 440 00:28:27,132 --> 00:28:28,594 [Banks] It's definitely, yeah. 441 00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:29,196 [lauNX] Yeah, exactly. 442 00:28:29,881 --> 00:28:31,730 [lauNX] You don't know how he's doing, but he's doing it. 443 00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:34,585 [lauNX] So you don't ask how, you just let him do his job. 444 00:28:32,465 --> 00:28:32,626 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 445 00:28:35,002 --> 00:28:36,609 [Banks] Yeah, yeah, definitely. 446 00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:44,180 [Banks] And and this is what's impressive, right, is I feel like any one of you could be an MVP of a tournament if you're going to go and win it. 447 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,064 [Banks] Right. 448 00:28:45,044 --> 00:28:58,917 [Banks] could be drugs it could be you it could be cemetery it could be demon it's like it all depends on the day do you have that belief in each other that even say when it's a 2vx situation or 1vx situation like 449 00:28:58,897 --> 00:29:15,844 [Banks] you don't see yourselves as having any weak links i'm sure right because if you look at every other team for example we look at spirit right yeah dong's alive it's going to be a problem but if you've got magic's alive everyone's going to think well we'll just wait for the next round to happen but with you guys there's that clutch potential almost in every single opportunity 450 00:29:16,651 --> 00:29:31,842 [lauNX] Yeah I mean I don't know it's I don't like I want to say it's crazy that it's happening but I can't say because it's kind of expected like it has been so many years of CS and so many lineups so many players up and coming and stuff. 451 00:29:31,653 --> 00:29:51,635 [Banks] Yeah. 452 00:29:32,497 --> 00:29:41,762 [lauNX] Like it was expected at some point that there will be a team or some players that will kind of catch fire, you know, because it's just not possible. 453 00:29:41,824 --> 00:29:43,047 [lauNX] It was just a matter of time. 454 00:29:43,481 --> 00:30:03,111 [lauNX] of who can actually put the pieces together and make them work because all around the world like not only in europe america asia africa i'm 100 there are so many talented kids but it's just a matter of if you find them when do you find them and if you can keep them on the right track do it together and that's what 455 00:29:52,644 --> 00:29:53,257 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 456 00:29:55,987 --> 00:30:03,169 [Banks] Yeah. 457 00:30:03,461 --> 00:30:18,045 [lauNX] coolio did with navi and these guys and food just picked them up and now they keep the streak going they just i don't know it's like everyone is putting some parts in the machine and the machine keeps working 458 00:30:09,650 --> 00:30:09,809 [Banks] Yeah. 459 00:30:13,991 --> 00:30:24,609 [Devilwalk] Do you think like if we go like VRS, do you feel like this was a blessing for your team in a sense that you could kind of get up 460 00:30:18,682 --> 00:30:38,531 [lauNX] Thank you. 461 00:30:24,589 --> 00:30:34,768 [Devilwalk] to these uh events compared to maybe you know the franchise leagues where it was very very closed off it was hard to get an opportunity to get to play tier one tournaments 462 00:30:34,748 --> 00:30:39,503 [Devilwalk] And there weren't even that many tier two tournaments or tier three tournaments to some sense. 463 00:30:40,366 --> 00:30:46,227 [Devilwalk] Do you think that this has kind of opened up the path for you as a team to get to the top? 464 00:30:43,522 --> 00:30:43,702 [lauNX] Yeah. 465 00:30:46,848 --> 00:30:49,413 [lauNX] I think it's not only for us, but I think for everyone. 466 00:30:49,573 --> 00:30:53,619 [lauNX] I think if someone is saying now that this VRS is bullshit, I think they're out of their mind. 467 00:30:54,121 --> 00:30:54,565 [Banks] Thank you. 468 00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:58,567 [lauNX] If anything, this is the only system in CS, at least in CS2 and CSGO. 469 00:30:58,587 --> 00:30:59,710 [lauNX] I don't know about the others. 470 00:30:59,690 --> 00:31:04,483 [lauNX] Because I didn't have the age of playing it and living it by myself. 471 00:31:04,544 --> 00:31:11,242 [lauNX] But at least for seven years since I'm playing professionally, I feel this is the biggest and the best system ever. 472 00:31:11,343 --> 00:31:14,813 [lauNX] Because it's actually rewarding the guys who are playing the best in that point. 473 00:31:15,046 --> 00:31:30,102 [lauNX] at that time not who played better two months ago three months ago and they had the wonder tournament because they got on your lineup oh no we don't care about that we care about the future and the present now what's happening now and this is what and i feel this is what vrs is doing 474 00:31:15,281 --> 00:31:27,299 [Devilwalk] I agree with you. 475 00:31:15,518 --> 00:31:15,996 [Banks] Mm hmm. 476 00:31:30,502 --> 00:31:35,194 [lauNX] Of course, teams are up and coming, but this is what's happening everywhere in the world around the sports. 477 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:39,145 [lauNX] Teams are losing, teams are winning, new changes are coming. 478 00:31:39,686 --> 00:31:40,750 [lauNX] Of course, it's going to happen. 479 00:31:41,522 --> 00:31:42,664 [Banks] Yeah, definitely. 480 00:31:42,965 --> 00:31:57,777 [Banks] And looking at this as well, when I look at this Na'Vi situation where they've come from Na'Vi Academy going into this, obviously you were not part of that, but do you see that that Na'Vi project and how the Na'Vi situation was run was like... 481 00:31:57,757 --> 00:32:15,528 [Banks] a blessing for the young players like having that system compared to something that you did not have do you see the positives 482 00:31:58,297 --> 00:32:17,030 [lauNX] but i feel there is a bit of misconception because i don't feel the guys full picked up the navi system i think i feel like julio just picked up some ideas from blade and navi and with the help of navi 483 00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:29,134 [lauNX] Like people and organization, they made the Na'Vi junior system, which is, I mean, I mean, you can compare like there is like there is so few things similar to us and the Na'Vi lineup. 484 00:32:18,731 --> 00:32:22,380 [Banks] Yeah. 485 00:32:22,401 --> 00:32:22,961 [Banks] Okay. 486 00:32:29,496 --> 00:32:31,259 [lauNX] Like they play so much structure. 487 00:32:31,278 --> 00:32:32,741 [lauNX] They play so tactical. 488 00:32:33,145 --> 00:32:33,365 [Banks] Yeah. 489 00:32:33,633 --> 00:32:34,974 [lauNX] And we are on the other side. 490 00:32:35,035 --> 00:32:39,723 [lauNX] I mean, we have a lot of structure and we have tactics and stuff, but we are much more crazy. 491 00:32:38,864 --> 00:32:40,690 [Banks] But it's different. 492 00:32:40,003 --> 00:32:45,173 [lauNX] Yeah, like we can go and do and try some crazy kills and if we die, it's okay. 493 00:32:45,513 --> 00:32:46,516 [lauNX] But in Na'Vi, it's not like this. 494 00:32:46,776 --> 00:32:48,839 [lauNX] At least from what I've heard. 495 00:32:46,930 --> 00:33:06,593 [Banks] yeah and and then okay looking at that then not just in game but what about like how it's helped the players develop in their career like just being on an organization like that do you see a difference in them compared to other players you've worked with because that's what always interests me is that how these academy teams can help players develop 496 00:32:56,853 --> 00:32:56,971 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 497 00:33:00,109 --> 00:33:00,419 [lauNX] Yeah. 498 00:33:06,573 --> 00:33:07,714 [Banks] In other ways, you know? 499 00:33:07,775 --> 00:33:22,944 [Banks] Mmm. 500 00:33:08,732 --> 00:33:25,662 [lauNX] I feel Na'Vi is one of the rarest exceptions of academies who are doing the job right, because I feel they are keeping the players not only on the right track with the game, but they're trying to keep them normal also, like not only kids sitting in front of a computer, you know. 501 00:33:25,961 --> 00:33:36,241 [lauNX] Like they try to teach them stuff about life and stuff, which is very important because at the end of the day, when we finish the CS career, we have nothing, most of us, because I know 502 00:33:28,779 --> 00:33:29,611 [Devilwalk] Heh heh heh 503 00:33:28,847 --> 00:33:36,057 [Banks] Yeah. 504 00:33:36,526 --> 00:33:42,297 [lauNX] Like 90-80% of the new players, they don't finish school, they don't do anything in school, they just quit, drop out and they go. 505 00:33:42,877 --> 00:33:43,779 [lauNX] But it's not the way. 506 00:33:44,059 --> 00:33:49,049 [lauNX] It's for sure not the way and this trend should stop because it's pretty dangerous for the upcoming future. 507 00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:50,539 [Banks] Exactly. 508 00:33:50,352 --> 00:33:56,002 [lauNX] But... No, but it's because I noticed... 509 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:51,782 [Banks] That's good advice from you. 510 00:33:51,843 --> 00:33:54,329 [Banks] You always give good advice for everyone coming up. 511 00:33:55,038 --> 00:33:58,270 [Devilwalk] It's a pretty low percentage of players who actually make it. 512 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:57,780 [lauNX] Yes. 513 00:33:58,471 --> 00:34:03,511 [Devilwalk] You know, like it's crazy when you think about that and how many that actually commit. 514 00:33:58,743 --> 00:34:08,777 [lauNX] Yes. 515 00:34:02,031 --> 00:34:02,854 [Banks] And I agree. 516 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,983 [Banks] Do you know what's crazy? 517 00:34:05,003 --> 00:34:13,697 [Banks] We're in this situation where if you go back to, say, when I was playing in anything esports-wise, it was such a low amount of people that were playing back in 2003, 2004. 518 00:34:13,737 --> 00:34:15,222 [Banks] So... 519 00:34:15,202 --> 00:34:20,760 [Banks] The people playing to the number that made success was still the same, but it was an easier opportunity, right? 520 00:34:21,181 --> 00:34:27,963 [Banks] Now there are so many millions of kids who are growing up and not just in Counter-Strike, in other games, and they say, I want to be a professional. 521 00:34:27,657 --> 00:34:46,556 [lauNX] Yeah. 522 00:34:27,943 --> 00:34:40,710 [Banks] But now it's like, I'm not going to say it's the same number as football, but now it's almost like football in a sense where it's really that top 0.5%, not even a whole percent that could make it from any country into any situation, you know? 523 00:34:40,751 --> 00:34:43,876 [Banks] And if you gamble your whole life on it, 524 00:34:43,856 --> 00:35:02,068 [Banks] then you could mess up everything else and ruin it just off the fact you didn't like you might be good enough you might just not get the right team or might not get given the right opportunity yeah 525 00:34:46,996 --> 00:34:47,438 [lauNX] It's... 526 00:34:53,527 --> 00:35:05,181 [lauNX] You might not even get spotted because you're coming from... As I said, it can be even an African kid who's maybe as stonk, but he just has no chance. 527 00:35:05,001 --> 00:35:05,925 [Banks] No one's looking there. 528 00:35:05,262 --> 00:35:07,889 [lauNX] Maybe he's just playing in the school. 529 00:35:05,965 --> 00:35:17,103 [Banks] Yeah. 530 00:35:07,869 --> 00:35:12,826 [lauNX] Like in the school huts, you know, just playing it like in the info hours, you know, with friends. 531 00:35:13,086 --> 00:35:13,789 [lauNX] And he's insane. 532 00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:16,277 [lauNX] But there is no way you can see him, sadly. 533 00:35:16,617 --> 00:35:17,521 [lauNX] There is just no way. 534 00:35:17,862 --> 00:35:18,724 [lauNX] And you can't lie. 535 00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:20,952 [lauNX] You can't sell lies to this kind of people because... 536 00:35:21,251 --> 00:35:27,601 [lauNX] Me personally, I do think that if I sell this kind of lies to upcoming kids, I'm responsible for fucking up their future. 537 00:35:27,922 --> 00:35:29,045 [lauNX] And I don't want that to happen. 538 00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:28,472 [Banks] Yeah. 539 00:35:29,085 --> 00:35:34,092 [lauNX] I think if we want to be role models for kids, we need to show the good side and the bad side. 540 00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:37,117 [lauNX] Because in the end, this is a sword with two edges. 541 00:35:37,398 --> 00:35:40,864 [lauNX] And if you get cut by it, you won't have a good life at all. 542 00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:50,516 [lauNX] I heard very bad stories about ex-professional players who were good and threw away everything and now it's very bad for them and 543 00:35:41,414 --> 00:35:42,096 [Banks] 100%. 544 00:35:50,766 --> 00:35:51,630 [Banks] Oh yes. 545 00:35:51,998 --> 00:35:55,809 [lauNX] And even myself, I've gone through so much with Revenant. 546 00:35:55,869 --> 00:35:58,699 [lauNX] We had seven months of non-payment, no salaries. 547 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,668 [lauNX] I lost 20 kilograms, full stress. 548 00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:03,273 [lauNX] I was not allowed to do anything. 549 00:36:03,695 --> 00:36:04,396 [lauNX] It was very bad. 550 00:36:04,476 --> 00:36:05,400 [lauNX] No money. 551 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:22,596 [lauNX] like i was lucky i won romanian esports league and i got like 2k euro to pay rent for three months to four and buy new pip specs for the computer so i can stream and i got back into fbl i streamed i got money it was a real struggle and i don't want anyone to go through such things because i know 552 00:36:15,943 --> 00:36:28,603 [Banks] Yeah. 553 00:36:22,846 --> 00:36:24,168 [lauNX] What happened with my mentality? 554 00:36:24,288 --> 00:36:25,630 [lauNX] I felt I was going insane. 555 00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:28,635 [lauNX] I was living alone, no parents, only my girlfriend. 556 00:36:28,775 --> 00:36:29,597 [lauNX] Thanks God for that. 557 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,021 [lauNX] And I was just grinding, struggling. 558 00:36:32,061 --> 00:36:33,304 [lauNX] I was, man, I need to make it. 559 00:36:33,324 --> 00:36:35,126 [lauNX] Like, there's no way I need to keep pushing. 560 00:36:35,206 --> 00:36:37,311 [lauNX] But I know that no one, like, 561 00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:56,210 [lauNX] it's very few people that can do it like with this mentality because you have to be a bit crazy in the head and i am crazy in the head i always said it you have to be crazy in the head yes yes yes 562 00:36:40,007 --> 00:36:48,398 [Banks] yeah exactly crazy in a good way though crazy in a good way and 563 00:36:47,617 --> 00:36:49,864 [Devilwalk] I agree with you. 564 00:36:49,885 --> 00:36:55,541 [Devilwalk] You have to be somewhat insane to even pursue a Counter-Strike career. 565 00:36:55,563 --> 00:36:59,373 [Devilwalk] Many aspects. 566 00:36:57,068 --> 00:36:58,490 [Banks] In many aspects of it, by the way. 567 00:36:58,711 --> 00:36:59,974 [Banks] In many aspects of it. 568 00:36:59,876 --> 00:37:01,239 [Devilwalk] I recognize that 569 00:37:00,114 --> 00:37:06,090 [Banks] It does... Between all three of us here, definitely some craziness. 570 00:37:06,831 --> 00:37:09,097 [Banks] You also just mentioned one thing about your girlfriend. 571 00:37:09,157 --> 00:37:10,480 [Banks] If you're fine to talk about this. 572 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,284 [Banks] How long have you guys been together? 573 00:37:13,132 --> 00:37:26,063 [lauNX] I mean, soon it's going to be cheers, but yes, I mean, yes. 574 00:37:13,628 --> 00:37:13,827 [Banks] Because... 575 00:37:15,766 --> 00:37:20,054 [Banks] Okay, so she's been she's been along for a lot of the wild part of the journey into where you are now. 576 00:37:20,094 --> 00:37:24,945 [Banks] By the way, this is a relationship I already approve of because she was there before he was successful. 577 00:37:24,985 --> 00:37:35,648 [Banks] There's many of these young players I'm always telling if you get a girl after you are successful or when you've already made pro don't just stay single just focus on the game because otherwise it can make too much problems too many headaches. 578 00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:49,570 [lauNX] I know I I want to say it now like no like I was blessed personally because I found this girl and she's not even my age so there is that for sure they are not girls my age that think like her and stuff like this but like 579 00:37:43,204 --> 00:37:43,525 [Banks] Yeah. 580 00:37:48,302 --> 00:37:48,523 [Banks] Yeah. 581 00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,721 [lauNX] We kind of met in my Falcons period when I was okay. 582 00:37:51,355 --> 00:37:51,599 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 583 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:54,224 [lauNX] Like, you know, I was earning good. 584 00:37:53,362 --> 00:37:53,501 [Banks] Mm-hmm. 585 00:37:54,264 --> 00:37:54,907 [lauNX] I was doing good. 586 00:37:54,967 --> 00:37:55,728 [lauNX] So it was that. 587 00:37:56,251 --> 00:37:58,115 [lauNX] But then I fell down so bad. 588 00:37:58,235 --> 00:38:00,222 [lauNX] Revenant, you know, like I lost my shape. 589 00:38:00,282 --> 00:38:01,003 [lauNX] I lost my body. 590 00:38:01,043 --> 00:38:03,048 [lauNX] I lost like I lost everything. 591 00:38:03,387 --> 00:38:03,646 [Banks] Yeah. 592 00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:04,773 [lauNX] But she was still there. 593 00:38:04,753 --> 00:38:05,615 [lauNX] Like, she was still there. 594 00:38:05,675 --> 00:38:06,436 [lauNX] She kept pushing me. 595 00:38:06,476 --> 00:38:08,340 [lauNX] She kept telling, like, you show these motherfuckers. 596 00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:09,242 [lauNX] Like, you got it. 597 00:38:09,282 --> 00:38:10,224 [lauNX] Like, you're the most talented. 598 00:38:10,244 --> 00:38:10,664 [lauNX] Like, do it. 599 00:38:10,724 --> 00:38:11,146 [lauNX] Push it. 600 00:38:11,701 --> 00:38:12,061 [Banks] Nice. 601 00:38:11,766 --> 00:38:15,313 [lauNX] And when I have a woman like this behind me, then I have my mom as a role model. 602 00:38:15,693 --> 00:38:17,036 [lauNX] Bro, I can't. 603 00:38:17,056 --> 00:38:18,418 [lauNX] Like, I need to show I'm stronger. 604 00:38:18,478 --> 00:38:19,722 [lauNX] Like, what's happening? 605 00:38:19,893 --> 00:38:20,074 [Banks] Yeah. 606 00:38:20,916 --> 00:38:21,936 [Banks] Yeah, that's perfect. 607 00:38:21,684 --> 00:38:23,809 [lauNX] Like, yeah, yeah. 608 00:38:21,956 --> 00:38:22,998 [Banks] That's exactly what you want. 609 00:38:24,396 --> 00:38:29,264 [Banks] Because too many players get too sidetracked by this other stuff and it can go horribly wrong. 610 00:38:29,525 --> 00:38:30,867 [Banks] There's many stories out there. 611 00:38:29,864 --> 00:38:32,469 [lauNX] It happened to me when I was 17, 16 also. 612 00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:37,842 [lauNX] I got caught in the love and the love sights and I didn't know... I didn't want to play CS. 613 00:38:37,862 --> 00:38:39,987 [lauNX] I was just running after the fucking heels. 614 00:38:39,943 --> 00:38:40,784 [Banks] Oh, no. 615 00:38:40,007 --> 00:38:40,688 [lauNX] Sorry for the words. 616 00:38:40,728 --> 00:38:43,856 [lauNX] I was just running after the heels of a 17-year-old girl. 617 00:38:44,072 --> 00:38:44,775 [Banks] Yeah. 618 00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:45,338 [lauNX] But it's just the age, you know? 619 00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:47,063 [lauNX] And I hope... 620 00:38:46,012 --> 00:38:46,164 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 621 00:38:47,043 --> 00:39:05,237 [lauNX] everyone is realizing a bit faster because i did but if you don't realize fast then i mean everyone will take advantage of you even girls even even guys like it's yeah it's just like sadly is the nature of most of the humans you can't do anything about it that's reality 622 00:38:49,467 --> 00:38:49,728 [Banks] Yeah. 623 00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:56,708 [Banks] Good. 624 00:38:56,728 --> 00:38:57,068 [Banks] Friends. 625 00:38:57,449 --> 00:38:58,032 [Banks] Yeah. 626 00:39:04,255 --> 00:39:05,898 [Banks] No. 627 00:39:05,918 --> 00:39:07,460 [Banks] It is a sad reality of it all. 628 00:39:07,342 --> 00:39:07,586 [lauNX] Yeah. 629 00:39:07,922 --> 00:39:11,628 [Banks] So let's talk a little bit more about the Bucharest run that you guys had here. 630 00:39:11,789 --> 00:39:15,456 [Banks] Because you start off with the win against Inner Circle. 631 00:39:16,259 --> 00:39:21,588 [Banks] Ultimately, okay, you may have lost us too, but it looked like a pretty comfortable game for you guys. 632 00:39:21,568 --> 00:39:24,376 [Banks] Then you only had to face NRG to go 2-0. 633 00:39:24,416 --> 00:39:29,769 [Banks] NRG is not really a team that's going to give you much problems anyway, and it showed it. 634 00:39:29,789 --> 00:39:33,157 [Banks] I'm not being disrespectful, but the levels are different, right? 635 00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,164 [Banks] You guys are playing at a much higher level right now. 636 00:39:35,744 --> 00:39:36,927 [Banks] But then... 637 00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,614 [Banks] It's Paravision, Bait, Mongols from here. 638 00:39:39,653 --> 00:39:43,864 [Banks] The Paravision one for you, I know, was an important one, right? 639 00:39:43,884 --> 00:39:45,929 [Banks] And this was to qualify for playoffs as well. 640 00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:49,155 [Banks] Not eliminate them, but it was to give you a big win. 641 00:39:49,356 --> 00:39:51,782 [Banks] You also dropped a 1.44 rating. 642 00:39:52,302 --> 00:39:55,170 [Banks] Was this a game where it felt personal for you? 643 00:39:55,858 --> 00:40:00,233 [lauNX] I mean, for me, every game I lose and I get to take my revenge is personal because I don't like losing. 644 00:40:00,253 --> 00:40:04,206 [lauNX] So if I lost against someone, then next time I have to win for sure. 645 00:40:04,327 --> 00:40:05,731 [lauNX] And it happened every time in my career. 646 00:40:06,152 --> 00:40:07,336 [lauNX] So there is that. 647 00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:22,389 [Banks] Okay, okay. 648 00:40:08,887 --> 00:40:16,061 [lauNX] But I told these guys, like, every time we lost and we faced someone else, I said, hey, look, we faced them again and it's the rule. 649 00:40:16,422 --> 00:40:17,342 [lauNX] We have to beat them now. 650 00:40:17,503 --> 00:40:18,425 [lauNX] And it happened every time. 651 00:40:18,746 --> 00:40:22,072 [lauNX] Every time we lost to someone, the next time we faced them, we beat them. 652 00:40:22,132 --> 00:40:25,820 [lauNX] Same with Furia, same with G2, same with Maus, same with Astralis. 653 00:40:26,681 --> 00:40:28,465 [lauNX] And I think the list will go on. 654 00:40:28,731 --> 00:40:34,327 [Banks] Is it because of what prep you're doing after losing to them and understanding how to play against them? 655 00:40:35,025 --> 00:40:41,440 [lauNX] I feel it's more like, especially against top teams, we're a bit scared in the beginning or we feel pressure, then we lose. 656 00:40:39,041 --> 00:40:41,650 [Banks] Mm-hmm. 657 00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:41,829 [Banks] Mm-hmm. 658 00:40:41,981 --> 00:40:47,454 [lauNX] And then we realize we lost because, again, we throw the rounds by ourselves and the difference is not that big between us and them. 659 00:40:47,574 --> 00:40:49,219 [lauNX] It's just experience in the end. 660 00:40:48,829 --> 00:41:02,114 [Banks] Yeah. 661 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,068 [lauNX] And then when we play them again, it's like... 662 00:40:53,047 --> 00:41:12,103 [lauNX] yeah there is that we we got the skill so let's just show them what we got there is nothing to be scared of and then that's why we are winning the second game yeah 663 00:41:02,135 --> 00:41:02,215 [Banks] Mhm. 664 00:41:02,313 --> 00:41:06,320 [Devilwalk] Don't you think there's like a big, I've always felt like this. 665 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:15,797 [Devilwalk] It's a big advantage to be the loser of the last series going into a game because you know what to change, what to fix and how to approach it differently. 666 00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:26,733 [lauNX] i feel like 667 00:41:16,217 --> 00:41:18,601 [Devilwalk] While for the winners, it's more guesswork. 668 00:41:18,762 --> 00:41:20,304 [Devilwalk] They don't really know what you will do. 669 00:41:20,284 --> 00:41:22,748 [Devilwalk] keep doing change, et cetera. 670 00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:29,940 [Devilwalk] So in terms of like prep work, I feel like there's a pretty big advantage being the losers of the last series. 671 00:41:30,476 --> 00:41:36,565 [lauNX] Yes, especially when you are up and coming like us and we were facing upper teams from Tires, right? 672 00:41:37,106 --> 00:41:49,784 [lauNX] Because they have no clue how we are playing at all and we know everything what they do because we take some stress from them, we watch demos from them, we watch some YouTube clips, some tricks from them, you know, so... 673 00:41:37,273 --> 00:41:37,432 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 674 00:41:49,764 --> 00:41:52,324 [lauNX] We kinda know everything about them, but they know nothing about us. 675 00:41:52,547 --> 00:41:54,965 [lauNX] Of course, this will change in the upcoming near future. 676 00:41:55,452 --> 00:41:55,695 [Devilwalk] Yep. 677 00:41:56,110 --> 00:42:03,240 [lauNX] But in the same time, again, I'm not going to give a lot of insights, but Kulio is very smart in this regard. 678 00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:11,655 [lauNX] And I feel right before every tournament, he changed minimum to two or three things in our strat book or how we approach maps. 679 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:17,021 [Banks] Nice. 680 00:42:11,635 --> 00:42:19,561 [lauNX] So there is no way in this world that people will know how we're going to play from an event to the next event because at least two or three maps will be changed in some aspect. 681 00:42:19,581 --> 00:42:21,007 [lauNX] And that's very smart from Coolio. 682 00:42:21,027 --> 00:42:23,534 [lauNX] And I think very few coaches, I've known, do it. 683 00:42:24,847 --> 00:42:25,329 [Banks] Definitely. 684 00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:26,992 [Banks] Definitely. 685 00:42:27,572 --> 00:42:29,315 [Banks] And then, okay, I've got to look at this, right? 686 00:42:29,876 --> 00:42:33,563 [Banks] The playoff bracket run you had after obviously the ParaVision game, you make playoffs. 687 00:42:34,385 --> 00:42:39,153 [Banks] It felt like to me that you guys had the much harder side of the bracket if you compare it to what Astralis had, right? 688 00:42:37,775 --> 00:42:52,981 [lauNX] Yeah. 689 00:42:39,635 --> 00:42:42,460 [Banks] You guys had Mongols or ParaVision you'd be facing. 690 00:42:42,481 --> 00:42:44,864 [Banks] You started off against Bate and then... 691 00:42:44,844 --> 00:42:50,057 [Banks] Obviously, Fate is obviously a team that's going through some learnings, but they certainly did push you a little bit. 692 00:42:50,077 --> 00:42:55,431 [Banks] Were you surprised with how much fight Fate were able to be putting up against you guys? 693 00:42:55,864 --> 00:42:57,467 [lauNX] No, not really. 694 00:42:58,088 --> 00:43:07,226 [lauNX] I mean, I think it will be stupid for us who came from the same tier as them to think that a team of the same tier can't do the same thing to us. 695 00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:02,989 [Banks] Hmm. 696 00:43:07,666 --> 00:43:09,009 [lauNX] It's not a good way to think about it. 697 00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:11,855 [lauNX] If we could do it, for sure another team can do it. 698 00:43:09,382 --> 00:43:23,780 [Banks] Hmm. 699 00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:15,882 [lauNX] It's not like we have been sent from heaven to save CS, how a lot of people say. 700 00:43:15,862 --> 00:43:33,751 [lauNX] no we might be a bit unique for this specific time we are playing right now but I'm for sure in the future it will happen again so yeah there is that but yeah yeah yeah 701 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:23,880 [Banks] Hmm. 702 00:43:29,463 --> 00:43:31,206 [Devilwalk] They played a lot better this tournament. 703 00:43:31,858 --> 00:43:43,773 [Banks] Yeah. 704 00:43:32,369 --> 00:43:34,753 [Devilwalk] Bait, they were definitely, you know, good. 705 00:43:36,313 --> 00:43:55,690 [lauNX] um so 706 00:43:36,677 --> 00:43:44,856 [Devilwalk] Still maybe a little bit iffy if, you know, CC is still gathering experience, getting better in games, finding consistency. 707 00:43:43,793 --> 00:43:43,893 [Banks] Yeah. 708 00:43:44,835 --> 00:44:03,047 [Devilwalk] obviously a tough kind of match because you're a scary team to face individually so yeah probably that's why you won in the end it was close it was close 709 00:43:56,563 --> 00:43:57,344 [lauNX] that's why 710 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,768 [Banks] some close some close margins of it as well, at least potentially could have gone to a third at least potential. 711 00:44:05,085 --> 00:44:13,942 [lauNX] Yeah, but that game was also like I told them and I was so mad after that game because I told them it felt one of my biggest off days in this career. 712 00:44:14,282 --> 00:44:17,068 [lauNX] Like I was trying to smokes, getting killed through flashbangs. 713 00:44:17,148 --> 00:44:18,630 [lauNX] I was meeting people from behind. 714 00:44:19,132 --> 00:44:20,454 [lauNX] I was spraying three people down. 715 00:44:20,534 --> 00:44:23,159 [lauNX] Everyone was left in HP and I couldn't kill anyone. 716 00:44:23,539 --> 00:44:25,103 [lauNX] It was just that bad day. 717 00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:33,981 [lauNX] And yeah, as I said in the interview, I remember I kind of got crumbled a bit mentally and I didn't help the team enough with the mentality, right? 718 00:44:25,842 --> 00:44:26,085 [Devilwalk] Yep. 719 00:44:34,041 --> 00:44:40,137 [lauNX] And they could get some rounds and then the mood was getting affected by myself and the others, you know, and it kind of went like a, 720 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:54,717 [lauNX] cannonball you know because i kind of let the harness go away but yeah after that game i realized there is no way in a playoff i'm gonna be mad about an off day and then the next day i was back on track ready to smash 721 00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:52,570 [Banks] Yeah. 722 00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:52,710 [Banks] Yeah. 723 00:44:56,032 --> 00:45:06,597 [Banks] and looking at that next day it was the mongols obviously the mongols have had a meteoric rise and been able to stay at the top tier of cs even with changing the players in it but 724 00:45:02,478 --> 00:45:03,644 [lauNX] Thank you. 725 00:45:06,577 --> 00:45:16,487 [Banks] What is it like, because this is your first game against the Mongols, what is it like to face this team who also want to fight a lot and also want to keep throwing aggression at you? 726 00:45:17,344 --> 00:45:19,327 [lauNX] the best game of my life I've played officially. 727 00:45:20,469 --> 00:45:33,273 [lauNX] Like I said to my friend, who I spent the night after we won, like, they were by far the only team I faced in my life who actually I felt that, bro, they got the smoke, man. 728 00:45:33,693 --> 00:45:34,054 [lauNX] Like, 729 00:45:34,286 --> 00:45:36,753 [lauNX] They were like shooting one taps. 730 00:45:36,893 --> 00:45:39,922 [lauNX] CobraZera was doing flicks, doing ASV top. 731 00:45:40,543 --> 00:45:42,429 [lauNX] Everyone was shooting, pushing through smokes. 732 00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:44,896 [lauNX] I was like, man, this is madness. 733 00:45:45,036 --> 00:45:46,440 [lauNX] But I loved every second of it. 734 00:45:46,601 --> 00:45:47,824 [lauNX] It was such a fun game. 735 00:45:48,007 --> 00:46:05,474 [lauNX] and i really wanted to play that game because i always knew because we have so similar play styles it will be so funny because in so many situations we clashed like directly head to head like four on four on the side just brawl just fight and it was so nice and i was feeling so alive 736 00:45:59,143 --> 00:45:59,653 [Banks] Thank you. 737 00:46:05,793 --> 00:46:07,635 [Banks] But I've got to ask this, right? 738 00:46:07,655 --> 00:46:12,842 [Banks] Because obviously you guys want to fight like that, but it's not many teams that will challenge you with that, right? 739 00:46:13,463 --> 00:46:17,550 [Banks] So to me, that game just looked like there was no resting for anyone in that game. 740 00:46:17,590 --> 00:46:19,652 [Banks] There was something happening across the map all the time. 741 00:46:19,693 --> 00:46:22,958 [Banks] Like, you must have had to have been so aware and so on it. 742 00:46:23,342 --> 00:46:26,869 [lauNX] I mean, we were prepared for it, but that's why I waited. 743 00:46:27,088 --> 00:46:33,900 [lauNX] I don't know, if I would like to change something in this VRS, I want to get Mongols instead of Astralis in tournaments. 744 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:39,090 [lauNX] I would like to play more Mongols than Astralis because it's much more funny to play these Mongols, guys, I swear. 745 00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:55,559 [lauNX] like it's much i don't know for me at least it's feeling much more competitive on this aspect like you have to be aware of everything you know while with astralis you kind of always know what they do you see the same smoke same molotovs you already know because we play them six times and they don't change that much and 746 00:46:39,425 --> 00:46:39,851 [Banks] Yeah. 747 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:14,257 [lauNX] mentality wise they are crumbling pretty fast so we know that if we start shooting some real heads they have no chance but I guess Mongols is not like this because they don't tilt that much and they shoot heads back so it's very fun yeah it's good they keep fighting that's the spirit 748 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,101 [Banks] Yeah. 749 00:47:06,327 --> 00:47:07,070 [Banks] Yeah. 750 00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:09,954 [Banks] And they'll just even if it's not working, they'll just keep trying. 751 00:47:09,994 --> 00:47:12,097 [Banks] They'll just keep throwing themselves at you. 752 00:47:15,148 --> 00:47:25,681 [Devilwalk] It's an entertaining way to play Counter-Strike comparably to maybe the more structured way with smokes and trying to trick people that way. 753 00:47:16,768 --> 00:47:21,514 [lauNX] way 754 00:47:18,407 --> 00:47:18,949 [Banks] Definitely. 755 00:47:26,472 --> 00:47:30,869 [lauNX] I mean, I think it's good to play also with smokes and being structured, right? 756 00:47:31,231 --> 00:47:35,389 [lauNX] But I feel when you go way too structured, then I don't know. 757 00:47:35,409 --> 00:47:36,954 [lauNX] I feel it's not CS anymore. 758 00:47:37,744 --> 00:47:38,025 [Banks] Yeah. 759 00:47:38,989 --> 00:47:49,947 [Banks] Now, before we talk about the grand final, looking at the history between you and Astralis, you have played each other so much this year. 760 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,128 [Devilwalk] I tend to agree. 761 00:47:50,012 --> 00:47:56,306 [Banks] There has been crack out, Cluj, twice at EPL on just the group stages, both stages you played it. 762 00:47:56,327 --> 00:47:59,673 [Banks] Then you had to play in the finals as well for that third place decider. 763 00:48:00,476 --> 00:48:05,887 [Banks] And especially the third place decider, one that you ended up losing there on the end, right? 764 00:48:06,108 --> 00:48:08,072 [Banks] You had the overpass overtime game. 765 00:48:07,208 --> 00:48:09,016 [lauNX] Oh my god. 766 00:48:10,567 --> 00:48:11,849 [Banks] Felt like you should have had that one. 767 00:48:12,371 --> 00:48:32,389 [lauNX] Flashbacks, 12-10 overpass, 3v2, 10 seconds left, we knew both of them have one in short, no one was holding short, we were planting default on site, he got the bomb, we lost, everyone was full tilt, I remember the mood was, I don't know, it felt so bad, but we learned from it, and I'm happy, we beat them now in the grand final, so I'm lucky. 768 00:48:22,632 --> 00:48:23,134 [Banks] And that's it. 769 00:48:24,677 --> 00:48:24,998 [Banks] Oh. 770 00:48:32,369 --> 00:48:46,411 [lauNX] you 771 00:48:32,572 --> 00:48:41,228 [Banks] But what is it that makes the, because like for us as viewers, as fans, I look forward, when I saw it was Foot versus Astralis, I was like, okay, this is going to be a good game. 772 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:44,275 [Banks] This is going to be a good game of Counter-Strike where we'll get some distance on it. 773 00:48:44,295 --> 00:48:46,139 [Banks] It'll be some entertaining, interesting maps. 774 00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:49,686 [Banks] So what is it that makes that matchup so good in your opinion? 775 00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:56,039 [lauNX] I think it's because us being this crazy chaotic upcoming team, right? 776 00:48:56,139 --> 00:49:00,065 [lauNX] And then in the same time having the redemption arc of Hoxie. 777 00:49:00,606 --> 00:49:06,476 [lauNX] And then you have the likes of Ster and Yabi in the team who are like already old experienced players, which are pretty likable. 778 00:49:05,208 --> 00:49:20,079 [Banks] Yeah. 779 00:49:07,063 --> 00:49:11,617 [lauNX] Yeah, maybe less stabby for some reason, but we keep it off the track. 780 00:49:12,018 --> 00:49:13,380 [lauNX] But Sterry is a very cool guy, right? 781 00:49:14,244 --> 00:49:19,980 [lauNX] And then you have Fizzy, who is also such a nice story of coming back into the scene and delivering good numbers. 782 00:49:20,099 --> 00:49:20,179 [Banks] Yep. 783 00:49:20,521 --> 00:49:23,047 [lauNX] Then you got Ryu, who is a good up-and-coming guy. 784 00:49:23,652 --> 00:49:24,914 [lauNX] So yeah, I think there is that. 785 00:49:25,476 --> 00:49:26,798 [lauNX] There is a good story on both teams. 786 00:49:26,958 --> 00:49:31,449 [lauNX] You want everyone to win a trophy kind of from both teams. 787 00:49:31,465 --> 00:49:44,547 [Devilwalk] Well, when you look at this matchup, and I watched the game a little bit today, it felt really easy for you guys in this matchup, in the final. 788 00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:40,750 [lauNX] And I think that's fine. 789 00:49:44,492 --> 00:49:50,536 [lauNX] Thank you. 790 00:49:44,987 --> 00:49:50,217 [Devilwalk] It felt like everything you did, you were either catching... 791 00:49:50,197 --> 00:50:08,239 [Devilwalk] you know map control like Mirage for example you just walked up Con they had no one short watching they had no one Con watching it caught them by surprise a lot of times and even in disadvantaged situations you found gaps and found kills to kind of bring it back to continue your momentum 792 00:49:51,394 --> 00:50:08,188 [lauNX] Thank you. 793 00:50:08,219 --> 00:50:16,717 [Devilwalk] Was it just pure momentum in terms of calling and shooting that kind of brought you it so dominant in this grand final? 794 00:50:08,657 --> 00:50:20,865 [lauNX] What is your momentum in terms of calling and doing things that have brought you into the company? 795 00:50:16,737 --> 00:50:21,228 [Devilwalk] Or do you feel like it was, I don't know, prep work? 796 00:50:20,885 --> 00:50:21,907 [lauNX] Do you feel like it was, I don't know, a prep work? 797 00:50:21,248 --> 00:50:25,097 [Devilwalk] You just had really, really good prep work for Astralis. 798 00:50:25,465 --> 00:50:45,010 [lauNX] I feel it was kind of momentum also on our side because we wanted to smash them so hard and there was no way we could let it slip but in the same time I feel like at least 35% of the loss of Astralis is just going to themselves because no jokes like from the first map like we knew that we are in their head 799 00:50:44,989 --> 00:50:49,478 [lauNX] Like we could hear the slam decks when they were dying, like we were winning every duel. 800 00:50:45,378 --> 00:50:45,653 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 801 00:50:49,858 --> 00:50:52,041 [lauNX] We can hear Hooksy screaming every time we play them. 802 00:50:52,583 --> 00:51:00,838 [lauNX] And bro, like when I hear him doing it, of course I'm going to try to attack the guy you scream at and I'm going to scream as hard as I can when we win because it's so annoying for the enemy. 803 00:51:01,139 --> 00:51:05,528 [lauNX] And I feel with each map we went by, we were just getting into their head more and more. 804 00:51:05,889 --> 00:51:08,335 [lauNX] And we know for sure that they are scared of us. 805 00:51:08,536 --> 00:51:13,527 [lauNX] Like we know they have some players in the team that are literally scared of that about us, like individually. 806 00:51:14,088 --> 00:51:19,079 [lauNX] And again, at least me on a personal level, and I'm trying to tell this to the guys also, 807 00:51:19,059 --> 00:51:22,829 [lauNX] Like, man, when you know someone is scared of you individually, just go smash his aim. 808 00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:23,871 [lauNX] Like, don't even think twice. 809 00:51:23,911 --> 00:51:25,554 [lauNX] He will be so scared of you in a 1v1. 810 00:51:25,856 --> 00:51:26,938 [lauNX] Like, don't even think twice. 811 00:51:26,978 --> 00:51:28,061 [lauNX] You will always win that turn. 812 00:51:28,541 --> 00:51:30,907 [lauNX] And that's how I always think. 813 00:51:28,882 --> 00:51:35,398 [Devilwalk] Do you feel like they back off way more in the maps and give you the space to control because of that? 814 00:51:30,927 --> 00:51:31,148 [lauNX] Yes. 815 00:51:31,748 --> 00:51:31,989 [lauNX] Yes. 816 00:51:35,885 --> 00:51:37,166 [lauNX] Yes, I do feel yes. 817 00:51:37,246 --> 00:51:41,012 [lauNX] And I think they overthink the situation so much in so many ways. 818 00:51:41,612 --> 00:51:42,675 [lauNX] Like, I don't know. 819 00:51:42,567 --> 00:51:45,974 [Devilwalk] Because I feel like you're a team, you kind of have to stop you. 820 00:51:42,914 --> 00:51:43,295 [lauNX] It's fair. 821 00:51:46,054 --> 00:51:47,277 [Devilwalk] You have to put brakes on you. 822 00:51:47,297 --> 00:51:58,264 [Devilwalk] You have to fight you so that you start thinking CS again instead of you always controlling map control gaps and being very reactive in the way you're playing, right? 823 00:51:48,023 --> 00:51:54,331 [lauNX] Yes. 824 00:51:54,666 --> 00:52:00,603 [lauNX] Yeah, but that's the thing with Krabeni. 825 00:52:00,884 --> 00:52:05,255 [lauNX] I think people don't acknowledge the fact that he's very brain active. 826 00:52:05,496 --> 00:52:08,523 [lauNX] Like, I swear, this guy is having so many on-fly calls. 827 00:52:07,507 --> 00:52:13,570 [Devilwalk] I have no doubts about that I have no doubts about that by the way yeah 828 00:52:10,056 --> 00:52:17,858 [lauNX] Yeah, no, I mean, like more like community wise, because I see a lot of guys saying crazy stuff on forums about him, but it's not true at all. 829 00:52:18,259 --> 00:52:23,273 [lauNX] Like, as I said in past interviews, like sometimes we're playing and he's just giving a call. 830 00:52:23,253 --> 00:52:32,840 [lauNX] i'm listening to it site is clear and then i'm like no one has said any piece of information and then he's just coming up up with this perfect call and then i'm like hey 831 00:52:33,226 --> 00:52:43,876 [lauNX] this guy is wall hacking or something he has something in his he has something in his ears like someone telling him something like hey 1b 2b like hey go there go i don't know and but i'm not 832 00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:36,115 [Devilwalk] Ha ha ha. 833 00:52:43,385 --> 00:52:45,496 [Banks] You were going to get the admins to check him. 834 00:52:45,393 --> 00:52:50,280 [lauNX] Yeah, check him PC or something because I'm telling you like sometimes I'm like he's shooting hard. 835 00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:55,751 [lauNX] He's doing this crazy Jesus spoken calls that I don't even know how he's calling it sometimes. 836 00:52:56,431 --> 00:52:57,434 [lauNX] And yeah, there is that. 837 00:52:58,054 --> 00:53:05,206 [lauNX] So, yeah. 838 00:52:58,824 --> 00:53:06,905 [Devilwalk] But in terms of Krabbele, do you feel like that's like, obviously you explain here how all teams kind of back off, give you a little bit map control. 839 00:53:06,945 --> 00:53:12,902 [Devilwalk] Do you feel like Krabbele is very in tune with also the mental of the other side with his calling? 840 00:53:09,811 --> 00:53:23,077 [lauNX] um 841 00:53:12,882 --> 00:53:24,867 [Devilwalk] because it sounds like he's also reading that that you are feeling as an individual that players are backing off and he's finding the right calls to maybe abuse that in a sense 842 00:53:25,402 --> 00:53:27,731 [lauNX] I think he's doing it, but not as much as he should. 843 00:53:27,831 --> 00:53:30,320 [lauNX] But it's the experience, right? 844 00:53:30,702 --> 00:53:33,592 [lauNX] I think he will do it so much better in the future. 845 00:53:33,452 --> 00:53:33,853 [Devilwalk] Okay. 846 00:53:33,612 --> 00:53:34,536 [lauNX] But he's doing it now. 847 00:53:34,858 --> 00:53:36,864 [lauNX] But of course, I think with... 848 00:53:37,233 --> 00:53:40,177 [lauNX] The upcoming tournaments, I think in a year he will be a beast. 849 00:53:40,798 --> 00:53:42,322 [lauNX] I think no one will be able to stop him. 850 00:53:41,603 --> 00:53:41,943 [Devilwalk] Okay. 851 00:53:43,083 --> 00:53:44,505 [lauNX] He's filling the calls. 852 00:53:45,086 --> 00:53:46,068 [lauNX] He's working a lot. 853 00:53:46,108 --> 00:53:47,231 [lauNX] He's putting the work in. 854 00:53:47,371 --> 00:53:49,494 [lauNX] He's working with the coach, with the staff. 855 00:53:49,574 --> 00:53:51,077 [lauNX] He's trying to fix mistakes. 856 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,722 [lauNX] He's very good in every aspect. 857 00:53:54,884 --> 00:53:55,849 [Devilwalk] That's very cool to hear. 858 00:53:56,166 --> 00:53:59,952 [Banks] So you come into the grand finals, it's revenge time again after Pro League. 859 00:54:00,193 --> 00:54:02,056 [Banks] You probably should have smashed them 3-0. 860 00:54:02,215 --> 00:54:04,739 [Banks] You were rolling them so confidently in every game. 861 00:54:05,260 --> 00:54:09,307 [Banks] Matt won 13-5 Ancient, 13-5 Mirage, 13-3 Dust2. 862 00:54:09,648 --> 00:54:11,231 [Banks] You probably should have won Nuke as well. 863 00:54:11,791 --> 00:54:15,356 [Banks] And you definitely have a better map pool than Astralis in a best of five. 864 00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:30,695 [lauNX] The thing is, I feel against Astralis, 865 00:54:15,673 --> 00:54:22,711 [Devilwalk] It was probably the most dominant, apart from NRG game, second most dominant game of your tournament. 866 00:54:25,659 --> 00:54:26,882 [Devilwalk] It's crazy. 867 00:54:31,789 --> 00:54:39,530 [lauNX] I don't know, like, especially because they beat us in, probably in such a fashion that, like, we lost it by ourselves. 868 00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:44,161 [lauNX] Like, we knew, one, they can't beat us individually, like, 869 00:54:44,141 --> 00:54:52,199 [lauNX] Sadly, there is just no possible real way unless you are all five sick and the brain is not functioning. 870 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,427 [lauNX] And yeah, I think there was that. 871 00:54:55,507 --> 00:54:59,916 [lauNX] Everyone was so confident in each other, especially because we beat the favorites, Mongols and Paravision. 872 00:55:00,016 --> 00:55:02,623 [lauNX] And I think that was the most important thing. 873 00:55:03,244 --> 00:55:06,911 [lauNX] After we beat Mongols and Paravision, I think everyone knew we won the tournament. 874 00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:09,335 [lauNX] At least in our team. 875 00:55:09,355 --> 00:55:17,387 [lauNX] I think everyone knew when we got to face Chalice, when we got into the grand final and we know it's them, I think everyone knew we will win this. 876 00:55:17,907 --> 00:55:22,215 [lauNX] Because we were for sure we will take the revenge and we knew that they are scared of us. 877 00:55:22,516 --> 00:55:28,525 [lauNX] especially because they had so many close calls in the groups with so many bad teams, but we didn't. 878 00:55:28,985 --> 00:55:35,556 [lauNX] I mean, we had only the first game against Inner Circle and then in playoffs with Paid, but I'm not going to call Paid such a bad team, right? 879 00:55:35,775 --> 00:55:40,103 [lauNX] They still have some changes, but they still play good CS and they have some good things on the side. 880 00:55:40,083 --> 00:55:59,626 [lauNX] but Astralis they had an easy bracket they had some easy groups and if anything it should have been different it should have been a bit you know but it didn't happen and it was the mental edge like we knew we faced the hardest teams we won 2-0 2-0 we didn't drop a map and they had to struggle with bad teams and we knew it from there like there is no way we lose this no way 881 00:56:01,413 --> 00:56:03,661 [Devilwalk] I have a bit of a different question. 882 00:56:02,222 --> 00:56:20,873 [lauNX] even if they run 883 00:56:03,742 --> 00:56:09,987 [Devilwalk] Maybe this is a bit reaching out, but in terms of like PGL Bucharest, 884 00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:23,264 [Devilwalk] Who are the teams that you think, if you would pick three teams that really impressed you, even if they went one and three, maybe they impressed you in this tournament, which three teams would that be for you? 885 00:56:23,923 --> 00:56:25,246 [lauNX] I mean, first is focus, for sure. 886 00:56:25,951 --> 00:56:26,052 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 887 00:56:26,072 --> 00:56:26,172 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 888 00:56:26,648 --> 00:56:33,001 [lauNX] Yeah, I mean, it has to be, especially after I saw Djorko with the elbow punches and stuff. 889 00:56:33,061 --> 00:56:37,528 [lauNX] Like, man, I felt that passion through the roof and I was like, man, I feel so bad for him. 890 00:56:37,668 --> 00:56:39,291 [lauNX] I was feeling the same, you know, sometimes. 891 00:56:39,333 --> 00:56:40,514 [lauNX] So hats to them. 892 00:56:40,594 --> 00:56:42,518 [lauNX] They have real passion on that lineup. 893 00:56:42,557 --> 00:56:43,940 [lauNX] I like it. 894 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,213 [lauNX] I think the second team, it was eyeballers, to be honest. 895 00:56:48,293 --> 00:56:50,338 [lauNX] I'm so happy for JW, man. 896 00:56:50,367 --> 00:56:50,668 [Devilwalk] Yep. 897 00:56:50,398 --> 00:56:53,947 [lauNX] Seeing players like JW coming back to the top and smashing... 898 00:56:53,927 --> 00:56:55,632 [lauNX] young folks like us, it's good to see. 899 00:56:56,092 --> 00:56:58,677 [lauNX] It's refreshing because he still has the trash talk in him. 900 00:56:58,717 --> 00:56:59,780 [lauNX] He still has the old vibes. 901 00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:00,300 [lauNX] I like that. 902 00:57:00,929 --> 00:57:05,980 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 903 00:57:01,003 --> 00:57:02,344 [lauNX] I want to see that in games. 904 00:57:02,405 --> 00:57:06,353 [lauNX] People still need to catch up from him until he retires because it's not good, I feel. 905 00:57:06,855 --> 00:57:07,456 [lauNX] We need that. 906 00:57:07,496 --> 00:57:08,978 [lauNX] We still need that from Swedish players. 907 00:57:11,103 --> 00:57:12,746 [lauNX] And let me think about third team. 908 00:57:15,224 --> 00:57:27,697 [lauNX] but can we can this be like like impress me but in a very bad way it has to be face like what they have done it's I don't know I 909 00:57:20,539 --> 00:57:21,268 [Devilwalk] Yeah, sure. 910 00:57:28,724 --> 00:57:37,295 [Devilwalk] Well, I mean, yeah, we'll probably talk about them more in just a little bit, but it's one of the biggest free falls. 911 00:57:37,315 --> 00:57:45,427 [Devilwalk] We've talked about it like pretty much every episode for the past like four or five episodes where it's just like been the biggest free fall. 912 00:57:37,987 --> 00:57:57,599 [lauNX] like 913 00:57:45,487 --> 00:57:48,471 [Devilwalk] You know, you've looked through... 914 00:57:48,451 --> 00:58:00,550 [Devilwalk] I mean, even their win rate, if you remove Belgrade as a tournament from their system, they had like four wins the entire year. 915 00:57:58,492 --> 00:58:00,840 [lauNX] Thank you. 916 00:58:03,014 --> 00:58:05,177 [Devilwalk] And it's sad to see. 917 00:58:07,114 --> 00:58:17,797 [lauNX] Yeah, I mean, to be honest for me, as an upcoming player, right, seeing an Orgas face going down with the other old Orgs who dropped out of CS, it's a shame. 918 00:58:18,438 --> 00:58:18,664 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 919 00:58:18,518 --> 00:58:24,311 [lauNX] Because, of course, I'm happy to play in foot, but in the end of the day, like, these were the Orgs everyone was looking up to play in, right? 920 00:58:24,652 --> 00:58:26,996 [lauNX] Like, these were the Orgs who kind of made us play CS. 921 00:58:26,976 --> 00:58:43,112 [lauNX] like everyone was imagining for sure when like when everyone was 14 15 i was imagining myself in face shirts in navi church you know in virtual sports shirts in all kind of sorts right and i think everyone did it 922 00:58:39,396 --> 00:58:51,083 [Devilwalk] I remember when I was playing casually before I was a pro, I remembered my favorite tag that I would have in-game was Fnatic.msi. 923 00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:48,681 [lauNX] Thank you. 924 00:58:51,103 --> 00:58:54,231 [Devilwalk] That was my absolute favorite. 925 00:58:55,193 --> 00:58:58,400 [Devilwalk] And I ended up playing for them. 926 00:58:58,380 --> 00:59:16,338 [Devilwalk] but did you have like a certain like team like when you were younger that you would look up to and i was like this is the tag that i want like this looks so cool uh which one would that be yeah 927 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:14,327 [lauNX] Sadly, it's FaZe. 928 00:59:14,847 --> 00:59:15,588 [lauNX] I have to be honest. 929 00:59:15,909 --> 00:59:16,731 [lauNX] Sadly, it's FaZe. 930 00:59:16,871 --> 00:59:18,094 [lauNX] Yeah, like FaZe was... 931 00:59:18,849 --> 00:59:20,552 [lauNX] And still is, but not now for sure. 932 00:59:20,693 --> 00:59:26,380 [lauNX] But FaZe was like one of the orgs I was looking up to, like getting the chance to play with Kerrigan and these guys learning from them. 933 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:37,416 [lauNX] As I always said, like for me, the most important thing in our young careers is to learn from the old guys who are about to retire because they have so much experience and so much things you can learn from them that no one will teach you. 934 00:59:37,396 --> 00:59:44,704 [lauNX] And if you don't get the chance to speak with them at least once for even one hour, then you might not ever learn about this kind of stuff. 935 00:59:44,724 --> 00:59:46,532 [lauNX] And you might have to find it the hard way. 936 00:59:47,014 --> 00:59:48,199 [lauNX] And I always try to 937 00:59:48,449 --> 00:59:51,635 [lauNX] get into touch, not only like known players, right? 938 00:59:51,715 --> 00:59:55,445 [lauNX] Like even less known players, like even Romanian pros from 1.6. 939 00:59:56,246 --> 01:00:06,289 [lauNX] I always try to get their advice when I was younger, get to know how to work, how to do in life, how to deal with stuff, because it's very important for a young mind to get different opinions and ideas from older people. 940 01:00:02,692 --> 01:00:11,925 [Devilwalk] Is that the Elder Gods or what were they named? 941 01:00:06,268 --> 01:00:08,835 [lauNX] and I don't think a lot of kids are doing it, and it's a bad thing. 942 01:00:12,565 --> 01:00:14,730 [lauNX] Yes, it was the Elder Gods and Earthquake. 943 01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:16,570 [Devilwalk] Yeah, okay. 944 01:00:16,590 --> 01:00:17,992 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 945 01:00:18,012 --> 01:00:21,577 [Devilwalk] I still have some memories of Romanian CS teams. 946 01:00:20,204 --> 01:00:22,911 [lauNX] Yes, yes. 947 01:00:23,143 --> 01:00:26,393 [Banks] Let's talk a bit about when you get the win, when you get the trophy. 948 01:00:26,795 --> 01:00:28,239 [Banks] What was that moment like for you? 949 01:00:28,420 --> 01:00:32,351 [Banks] I remember talking to you after the grand finals and then I spoke to you on Instagram. 950 01:00:32,992 --> 01:00:37,246 [Banks] The next morning, you messaged me again and you finally like, you realized what happened. 951 01:00:37,266 --> 01:00:37,726 [Banks] It hit you. 952 01:00:38,753 --> 01:00:41,260 [Devilwalk] I think that's how it felt for me as well. 953 01:00:41,402 --> 01:00:43,387 [Devilwalk] First time I won like a big tournament. 954 01:00:43,487 --> 01:00:46,838 [Devilwalk] It just felt... In the moment, you don't realize it. 955 01:00:45,250 --> 01:01:03,916 [lauNX] yeah yeah but it was unbelievable because again i feel after so many hardships i found through my career and so many fights and battles like people like people don't even know about these struggles and i think 956 01:00:46,858 --> 01:00:50,451 [Devilwalk] You just go back and after a while, what the fuck just happened? 957 01:01:04,268 --> 01:01:20,708 [lauNX] I think some of the struggles I'm going to make public, but I think when I'll be 25 or close to 30, because this stuff is implicating a lot of pro players from Romania also who kind of fucked me a bit in the back and it kind of made things even worse, but I don't want to hurt anyone. 958 01:01:20,688 --> 01:01:32,706 [lauNX] when we play so i want everything to retire and then we can spill the beans out make a book maybe about the struggles of a professional player because i'm telling you like in 21 years of life i feel i've went through much more things than a guy at 40 have been true 959 01:01:32,989 --> 01:01:40,148 [lauNX] And it's not okay, but I'm happy I handled it and I've matured so fast and I got good people around me that kinda, you know, saved me from shit. 960 01:01:40,168 --> 01:01:43,177 [lauNX] Because it was a very, very bad road. 961 01:01:43,697 --> 01:01:49,193 [lauNX] Very bad. 962 01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:48,822 [Devilwalk] So when you win this tournament, is the emotion... 963 01:01:50,050 --> 01:02:05,445 [Devilwalk] Obviously there's a euphoric sense and feeling when you realize everything, but you also explain these sad parts in your journey that you feel in combination with this. 964 01:01:50,438 --> 01:02:04,378 [lauNX] Thank you. 965 01:02:04,398 --> 01:02:04,599 [lauNX] Thank you. 966 01:02:05,606 --> 01:02:07,168 [Devilwalk] Is that correctly explained? 967 01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:07,570 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 968 01:02:07,447 --> 01:02:08,490 [lauNX] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 969 01:02:08,550 --> 01:02:10,536 [lauNX] Like, it hits me ten times as hard. 970 01:02:11,177 --> 01:02:18,554 [Devilwalk] yeah yeah okay 971 01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:16,855 [lauNX] Like, even now when I think about it, like, I don't want to think too much about it and talk because, like, I start to feel like crying. 972 01:02:18,038 --> 01:02:19,001 [lauNX] But it was the same. 973 01:02:19,121 --> 01:02:22,150 [lauNX] Like, I had the interview with the HLTV guy. 974 01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:23,552 [lauNX] I just couldn't talk. 975 01:02:24,074 --> 01:02:31,309 [lauNX] I couldn't do an interview speech because when he started asking me, how do you feel and stuff like this, I was just instantly crying. 976 01:02:32,204 --> 01:02:33,190 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 977 01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:34,014 [Devilwalk] It's beautiful though. 978 01:02:34,034 --> 01:02:37,353 [Devilwalk] The sad parts with the good parts in some sense. 979 01:02:37,583 --> 01:02:38,164 [lauNX] Yeah. 980 01:02:38,228 --> 01:02:43,293 [Banks] When you look back at your playing career and what you went through, does it make it all worth it now? 981 01:02:43,342 --> 01:02:43,842 [lauNX] Totally. 982 01:02:44,465 --> 01:02:45,646 [lauNX] Totally. 983 01:02:45,666 --> 01:02:57,233 [lauNX] But even now I'm like... 984 01:02:49,753 --> 01:02:53,507 [Devilwalk] Okay, we have to go away from the emotional talking. 985 01:02:55,074 --> 01:02:57,181 [Devilwalk] See, it's really emotional. 986 01:02:57,786 --> 01:03:04,235 [Banks] Thinking about all the things you have been through, the things we spoke about off camera, and there's obviously a lot to unpack here. 987 01:03:05,025 --> 01:03:11,543 [Devilwalk] There's a huge beauty in seeing you emotional like this. 988 01:03:05,431 --> 01:03:23,592 [lauNX] Yeah. 989 01:03:11,961 --> 01:03:14,686 [Banks] I can change the subject and try and get a laugh out of him. 990 01:03:15,188 --> 01:03:19,554 [Banks] He is the second ever player to use this mousepad to win a tournament. 991 01:03:19,675 --> 01:03:21,237 [Banks] Win a trophy using my mousepad. 992 01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:23,422 [Banks] First is Mezzi, and now it's Launx. 993 01:03:23,561 --> 01:03:24,362 [Banks] Good company there. 994 01:03:24,112 --> 01:03:28,900 [Devilwalk] It is there. 995 01:03:24,402 --> 01:03:29,813 [Banks] Damn, son. 996 01:03:27,047 --> 01:03:28,231 [lauNX] I still have it. 997 01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:41,563 [Devilwalk] And how does it feel that in your foot you have one 998 01:03:30,132 --> 01:03:31,135 [Banks] Damn, son. 999 01:03:30,876 --> 01:03:44,786 [lauNX] I still got it. 1000 01:03:42,521 --> 01:03:52,329 [Devilwalk] the same trophy that falcons has in their entire time span they want pgl bucharest 1001 01:03:52,478 --> 01:04:08,226 [Devilwalk] 2025 and yours is more like obviously with VRS we have to say that yours is more important because it's now it's not before also they didn't do this one with Monos either so with Monos it's zero 1002 01:04:02,653 --> 01:04:06,014 [lauNX] Okay. 1003 01:04:10,568 --> 01:04:26,146 [lauNX] I mean what can I say it's I don't want to say too much because bro like I played for them I know the work I know the guys I'm still close with some of them but yeah I don't know I guess money is not buying everything is it 1004 01:04:27,139 --> 01:04:38,398 [Devilwalk] But it must feel like incredible, you know, because this is probably the most watched team in the CS space, no matter where they end up because of how much they've invested. 1005 01:04:29,992 --> 01:04:43,106 [lauNX] Thank you. 1006 01:04:38,458 --> 01:04:43,646 [Devilwalk] And to see you guys kind of push forward and push through that with... 1007 01:04:43,626 --> 01:04:49,175 [Devilwalk] Well, minimal investments in comparison and hard work and dedication. 1008 01:04:44,065 --> 01:04:55,324 [lauNX] Thank you. 1009 01:04:49,315 --> 01:05:03,458 [Devilwalk] It must still fill you with a sense of pride, even though maybe the struggles of Falcons, it's obviously there, but you've done it another way, another route. 1010 01:05:06,322 --> 01:05:20,451 [lauNX] I mean, yeah, I mean, of course it feels amazing, but for me personally, it feels even better because again, I can't talk too much about it, but yeah, I mean, I can only say that I was supposed to play in the Falcons lineup and in the end, 1011 01:05:20,431 --> 01:05:26,963 [lauNX] For specific, I think, no reasons, they decided to keep someone else, which I don't condemn. 1012 01:05:27,085 --> 01:05:27,885 [lauNX] It was expected. 1013 01:05:28,467 --> 01:05:29,429 [lauNX] I can't say anything about it. 1014 01:05:30,231 --> 01:05:36,182 [lauNX] But for me, I mean, on a personal level, it feels good that now we are ranked above them. 1015 01:05:36,885 --> 01:05:38,608 [lauNX] I won a tournament because... 1016 01:05:38,588 --> 01:05:42,440 [lauNX] Of course, I had some talks with the guys that are still in Falcons to this day. 1017 01:05:42,621 --> 01:05:49,121 [lauNX] I can share their names and they were not happy about the decisions that I'm about to get kicked or like removed and sold. 1018 01:05:49,556 --> 01:05:55,757 [lauNX] Like some people still wanted me on the lineup, active people now, but it just didn't happen because of the management. 1019 01:05:56,740 --> 01:05:57,764 [lauNX] So yeah, there's that. 1020 01:05:57,824 --> 01:06:00,293 [lauNX] I'm happy and I really want to face them. 1021 01:06:00,592 --> 01:06:02,742 [lauNX] And it will be even better if we do it in the major. 1022 01:06:03,364 --> 01:06:09,690 [lauNX] But in 1-0-0, I don't think we'll face them in elimination games because we won't be there. 1023 01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:11,177 [lauNX] But they have to see. 1024 01:06:13,755 --> 01:06:15,193 [Devilwalk] I love that, I love that 1025 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:27,376 [Banks] that's actually brilliant and okay we talked about everything obviously you have been doing tournaments and you've been grinding so much since the beginning of the season coolio has finally given you a week off 1026 01:06:27,356 --> 01:06:43,273 [Banks] first week off and i first of all appreciate you coming on the podcast but what are you gonna do in this week off i know you like going outside you like hiking nature and being away and i don't mean this in a rude way but you are way older than your age your mindset is way beyond your years 1027 01:06:34,056 --> 01:06:34,619 [lauNX] Yes. 1028 01:06:43,219 --> 01:06:55,271 [lauNX] I mean many people told me this and it's not only you from CS it's like people who had no like no thing about CS at all and they just meet first time to some close friends like from real life and they just tell me like hey there's no ER20 1029 01:06:50,492 --> 01:06:50,851 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 1030 01:06:55,251 --> 01:06:56,494 [lauNX] And I told them, yeah, I'm 20. 1031 01:06:57,398 --> 01:07:02,251 [lauNX] But it's because, again, like I had to live so much bad stuff and so many situations. 1032 01:07:02,331 --> 01:07:08,146 [lauNX] Like I'm telling you, like everything that can happen in a people, like in a human life in a bad way, it happened to me. 1033 01:07:08,126 --> 01:07:12,597 [lauNX] Like health-wise, money-wise, friend-wise, like everything it fell down on me on one side. 1034 01:07:13,059 --> 01:07:14,101 [lauNX] And I was alone in the pit. 1035 01:07:14,402 --> 01:07:16,989 [lauNX] Luckily, my mom and my girlfriend, you know, kept pushing me. 1036 01:07:17,088 --> 01:07:20,336 [lauNX] I had the power, the ambition, and I kept pushing. 1037 01:07:20,632 --> 01:07:21,737 [Banks] Really paid off for you. 1038 01:07:22,222 --> 01:07:22,643 [lauNX] Totally. 1039 01:07:22,458 --> 01:07:26,777 [Banks] What's the plan for a louts week off of enjoyment? 1040 01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:39,146 [lauNX] I mean, for sure, today and tomorrow, I'll just sit at home, relax, because right before I went to Bucharest, I had to move in a new apartment because I had some problems with the landowner. 1041 01:07:39,505 --> 01:07:42,032 [lauNX] She had to move in urgently, some family issues. 1042 01:07:42,367 --> 01:07:45,271 [lauNX] I don't want to get in about it, but I had to move in a new apartment. 1043 01:07:46,313 --> 01:07:51,380 [lauNX] And now I have to kind of clean everything, make it more cozy and set it up all right. 1044 01:07:51,539 --> 01:07:55,465 [lauNX] So when I leave for America, my girlfriend can be here without any issues. 1045 01:07:57,208 --> 01:08:00,172 [lauNX] And then, yeah, probably the next day I'll go out. 1046 01:08:00,592 --> 01:08:13,858 [lauNX] not sit in front of the computer and in the weekends when my girlfriend is free for sure we'll go via ferrata probably short hikes on something because i can't do a lot of long highs in the winter because as i said 1047 01:08:13,838 --> 01:08:28,927 [lauNX] as i said i lost a lot of kilos in my past and because i lost a lot of kilos in the winter it's so hard to hike because we go like 20 25 kilometers with a lot of elevation it's so hard for my stomach and it will make it even worse for me health wise when i go to tournaments 1048 01:08:22,613 --> 01:08:23,158 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1049 01:08:28,908 --> 01:08:36,722 [lauNX] So I prefer to keep it on a low level, but constant enough just to keep my mental sharp and ready for tournaments. 1050 01:08:36,882 --> 01:08:38,305 [lauNX] And in summer, I will do whatever I want. 1051 01:08:38,326 --> 01:08:39,609 [lauNX] I can go hike 30 kilometers. 1052 01:08:40,511 --> 01:08:41,773 [lauNX] I don't care because it's summer. 1053 01:08:41,792 --> 01:08:43,355 [lauNX] It's not extra pressure from the snow. 1054 01:08:43,657 --> 01:08:52,259 [Banks] The next events coming up is the America's Tour, Blast Rivals, then you're going to Atlanta after that, then the Major, which is the last event of the first part of the season. 1055 01:08:49,546 --> 01:08:52,688 [lauNX] Thank you. 1056 01:08:53,162 --> 01:08:57,091 [Banks] Rivals, you've got Vitality, Na'Vi, FURIA, Astralis, 1057 01:08:57,072 --> 01:09:10,305 [Banks] yourselves g2 phase and gamer legion then in atlanta you got vitality navi and you guys as the big three teams so what are your expectations right now that you've won your very first tournament what does that change for you if anything 1058 01:09:10,505 --> 01:09:20,903 [lauNX] nothing I don't think it's changing nothing I think we want to keep it to the same plan because as I said in the beginning I don't think I think everyone is thinking the same we won only one tournament 1059 01:09:21,929 --> 01:09:24,274 [lauNX] We have much more work to do in this career. 1060 01:09:25,417 --> 01:09:28,567 [lauNX] And again, we have vitality to face. 1061 01:09:28,988 --> 01:09:30,029 [lauNX] It will be the big challenge. 1062 01:09:30,832 --> 01:09:35,264 [lauNX] And I think on a personal level, I just want to put up a good fight. 1063 01:09:35,404 --> 01:09:36,327 [lauNX] Of course, if we win, 1064 01:09:36,306 --> 01:09:37,288 [lauNX] I will take that. 1065 01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:38,591 [lauNX] God bless. 1066 01:09:39,292 --> 01:09:39,872 [lauNX] Give it to me. 1067 01:09:40,394 --> 01:09:44,100 [lauNX] But yeah, on the real side, I just want to put up a good fight. 1068 01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:47,747 [lauNX] I want to show the world we can fight against the best team in the world by far. 1069 01:09:49,029 --> 01:09:52,694 [lauNX] Because I think against the other teams we already showed, we are capable of fighting them. 1070 01:09:54,311 --> 01:10:02,909 [Devilwalk] I think it's one of the biggest kind of maybe unspoken traps that you can come into as a young team that starts getting success. 1071 01:09:55,274 --> 01:10:14,649 [lauNX] of the biggest 1072 01:10:03,872 --> 01:10:10,465 [Devilwalk] I know everyone says we have to keep our feet on the ground, stay humble. 1073 01:10:10,444 --> 01:10:14,215 [Devilwalk] But expectations kind of naturally do rise. 1074 01:10:14,997 --> 01:10:26,427 [Devilwalk] And with that, I think generally you see an increase in frustration from young players, especially when things don't go the right way. 1075 01:10:15,305 --> 01:10:26,613 [lauNX] And with that, I think, generally, it's been a great demonstration from young players, especially when things don't go that well, go the right way. 1076 01:10:26,408 --> 01:10:31,176 [Devilwalk] Do you think that that is going to be anything relevant for this team? 1077 01:10:26,948 --> 01:10:34,636 [lauNX] Do you think that that is going to be anything relevant to this team? 1078 01:10:31,537 --> 01:10:38,429 [Devilwalk] Or do you think that you've talked about it enough to kind of set yourself the right path in terms of dealing with that? 1079 01:10:34,655 --> 01:10:36,081 [lauNX] Or do you think that they've talked about it enough to protect yourself 1080 01:10:38,811 --> 01:10:41,759 [lauNX] I think, yes, we talked already, but I'm not going to let it happen. 1081 01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:48,336 [lauNX] Like, I think I've... Because, like, I think I told everyone at least twice already. 1082 01:10:42,595 --> 01:10:42,695 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1083 01:10:48,938 --> 01:10:53,108 [lauNX] Because, again, I don't want to push it too much because they will think I'm crazy in the head. 1084 01:10:53,087 --> 01:11:02,002 [lauNX] But I'm trying to remind them when they're alone, when I have some sneaky time with each and one of them alone, I'm trying to remind them, like, hey, bro, I'm just telling them, like, hey, don't leave me, man. 1085 01:11:01,559 --> 01:11:01,969 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 1086 01:11:02,283 --> 01:11:03,385 [lauNX] Like, you're way too good for this. 1087 01:11:03,404 --> 01:11:04,426 [lauNX] Like, hey, keep staying here. 1088 01:11:04,447 --> 01:11:05,748 [lauNX] Like, keep pushing, keep pushing. 1089 01:11:05,769 --> 01:11:06,670 [lauNX] But, you know, keep working. 1090 01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:09,555 [lauNX] And I keep telling them, like, don't do that. 1091 01:11:09,675 --> 01:11:12,699 [lauNX] Don't do my mistakes because I don't want to see them 1092 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:23,043 [lauNX] anywhere near close at what i've been right like i just want to see them skyrocketing through the roof so i can't even see them i want them to go full fast to the top 1093 01:11:23,024 --> 01:11:25,051 [lauNX] Even with me or without me. 1094 01:11:25,091 --> 01:11:25,472 [lauNX] I don't care. 1095 01:11:25,493 --> 01:11:30,511 [lauNX] I just want to see them succeed because I got so used to them and I got so nice with them and I fucking love this kid so much. 1096 01:11:30,932 --> 01:11:34,907 [lauNX] Even if I'm fucking 21, it's not a big difference, but they feel like they're my kids. 1097 01:11:36,001 --> 01:11:37,462 [Banks] You say with or without you. 1098 01:11:37,863 --> 01:11:43,131 [Banks] My view from the community's perspective, and many in the community say they would want you guys to stay together. 1099 01:11:43,431 --> 01:11:47,136 [Banks] And I've not only spoken to you, but people around your team as well. 1100 01:11:44,742 --> 01:11:47,208 [lauNX] Thank you. 1101 01:11:47,417 --> 01:11:48,519 [Banks] And everyone is saying the same. 1102 01:11:49,220 --> 01:11:54,027 [Banks] Does it not worry you now that someone will come in and now might try to sign one of your players? 1103 01:11:55,423 --> 01:12:14,496 [lauNX] The only problem for me is about because I mean we all know that in I think somehow maybe one year because I think for sure this year Vitality won't make a change but let's say in a world like one of us will play extremely good on the position right and then Vitality wants to make a change for some reason someone will 1104 01:12:14,475 --> 01:12:28,519 [lauNX] want to drop off or I don't know can be everything it's yes anything can happen in this life then of course vitality will come for one of us like we all know like no one will say no and even the org knows it the coaching staff knows it and everyone understands it 1105 01:12:29,309 --> 01:12:42,407 [lauNX] But again, I think I've... But even then, Falcons is... Not even Falcons with all the money in the world, with unlimited money, not even them can buy it because everyone realized how good we can be together. 1106 01:12:42,386 --> 01:12:48,712 [lauNX] And I think they already know that in these older lineups with older people, people are just crazy in the head, man. 1107 01:12:48,731 --> 01:12:50,418 [lauNX] They don't have real expectations. 1108 01:12:50,498 --> 01:12:52,768 [lauNX] They expect you to do extremely good from the get-go. 1109 01:12:52,747 --> 01:12:53,770 [lauNX] And they don't want that. 1110 01:12:53,890 --> 01:12:55,074 [lauNX] They feel way too good together. 1111 01:12:55,154 --> 01:13:02,135 [lauNX] Of course, they won't go to an old senile team with people who want instant win trophies when they want to grow up and be fun and have a lot of fun together. 1112 01:13:02,817 --> 01:13:03,297 [lauNX] It's normal. 1113 01:13:08,408 --> 01:13:15,984 [Devilwalk] No, I mean, apart from just... I don't even think I've congratulated you properly for the win at Bucharest, you know. 1114 01:13:08,813 --> 01:13:26,451 [lauNX] Thank you. 1115 01:13:16,144 --> 01:13:26,265 [Devilwalk] And I think not only that, but congratulate you guys for playing, you know, a high-octane, entertaining Counter-Strike that... 1116 01:13:27,916 --> 01:13:34,917 [Devilwalk] I feel like older generation, the more theory you drive into things becomes less and less common. 1117 01:13:28,337 --> 01:13:46,649 [lauNX] yeah it's good to see people like you guys say this kind of stuff to me because 1118 01:13:35,238 --> 01:13:38,707 [Devilwalk] So I really appreciate being able to watch that kind of Counter-Strike. 1119 01:13:39,751 --> 01:13:41,114 [Devilwalk] So a thank you as well. 1120 01:13:47,726 --> 01:13:55,243 [lauNX] When I came back to Nexus, when they rescued me from this relevant situation, like my main plan, it was either with a national lineup or international lineup. 1121 01:13:55,585 --> 01:14:02,900 [lauNX] I want that passion back in the game because when I was on the bench and I was seeing all these up and coming players being 1122 01:14:03,082 --> 01:14:09,215 [lauNX] I'm going to say it, but everyone is dead, depressed inside, no emotion, no feeling, no personality. 1123 01:14:09,314 --> 01:14:10,176 [lauNX] I don't want to see that. 1124 01:14:10,617 --> 01:14:18,712 [lauNX] Like if we look now, 1.6 clips, like from 15, 20 years ago, like I've got some highlights, like they were almost fighting each other when they were winning a round. 1125 01:14:19,097 --> 01:14:22,908 [lauNX] And now we can't even scream some bad words to each other. 1126 01:14:19,148 --> 01:14:29,984 [Devilwalk] yes we're not Valorant yet 1127 01:14:23,069 --> 01:14:24,192 [lauNX] I don't want this to happen. 1128 01:14:24,793 --> 01:14:27,119 [lauNX] We need to keep the CS players the same way. 1129 01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:29,546 [lauNX] We need to be the same because that's why the game went... 1130 01:14:29,527 --> 01:14:43,029 [lauNX] we should never be like this is our trait and i think that's why cs was always one of the biggest i've not the biggest watched game in the esports because we are this explosive character we are real human beings 1131 01:14:43,010 --> 01:14:44,693 [lauNX] We show passion, we show emotion. 1132 01:14:45,274 --> 01:14:47,797 [lauNX] And you showed us first in 1.6 and older generations. 1133 01:14:47,818 --> 01:14:58,916 [lauNX] And we need to continue doing it, not stop. 1134 01:14:50,738 --> 01:14:52,166 [Banks] So it's time to get to your questions. 1135 01:14:52,386 --> 01:14:54,779 [Banks] And the first question we have is from Broken Tree. 1136 01:14:54,899 --> 01:14:56,789 [Banks] And he says, questions for longs. 1137 01:14:57,292 --> 01:14:58,739 [Banks] Hope two questions is all right. 1138 01:14:58,935 --> 01:14:59,195 [lauNX] Yeah. 1139 01:14:59,681 --> 01:15:03,407 [Banks] In your opinion, how important is team chemistry for a successful game? 1140 01:15:03,747 --> 01:15:11,618 [Banks] Would a team with weaker individual skill but greater team chemistry fare better against a team with really good individual skill but clashing play styles? 1141 01:15:11,978 --> 01:15:18,686 [Banks] In a time where fans speak as if a roster change is the solution to any problem, I would like to hear from someone who's been a part of many teams 1142 01:15:18,667 --> 01:15:22,332 [Banks] and is now on a team where the other four have only really played with each other. 1143 01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,630 [lauNX] I mean, I think the best example is Falcons. 1144 01:15:26,730 --> 01:15:32,604 [lauNX] You can have the best players in the world on the paper, they can shoot the hardest in the world on their positions, but it's not enough. 1145 01:15:33,146 --> 01:15:36,253 [lauNX] Because I can see it from a mile away, they don't like each other for sure. 1146 01:15:36,716 --> 01:15:37,837 [lauNX] And that's the sad reality. 1147 01:15:37,918 --> 01:15:40,083 [lauNX] I can see it from a mile away and I think every... 1148 01:15:40,064 --> 01:15:43,470 [lauNX] Every normal human in the end can see that they don't get along with each other. 1149 01:15:43,489 --> 01:15:47,096 [lauNX] I don't know who and what is happening, but you can see it totally. 1150 01:15:48,420 --> 01:15:53,168 [lauNX] And yeah, for sure, a team with less skilled opponent. 1151 01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:57,617 [lauNX] I mean, of course, it's not like you can take the five best friends of a matchmaking pub. 1152 01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:00,164 [lauNX] and put them against Falcons because it won't work. 1153 01:16:00,725 --> 01:16:05,654 [lauNX] But if you have some decent enough players with a good... Yes. 1154 01:16:00,871 --> 01:16:04,216 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1155 01:16:04,238 --> 01:16:06,072 [Devilwalk] Within a professional context. 1156 01:16:06,417 --> 01:16:07,097 [lauNX] Yes, exactly. 1157 01:16:07,137 --> 01:16:08,440 [lauNX] Then, yeah, for sure. 1158 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,831 [lauNX] Most of the time, I mean, 99.99% of the time, the team chemistry will win. 1159 01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:15,132 [lauNX] But I've somehow... 1160 01:16:15,451 --> 01:16:34,994 [lauNX] all five players in the team have a bad day then of course the better players will win because yeah it's expected 1161 01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:27,966 [Devilwalk] The second question he has for you is, foot is becoming known for an aggressive play style. 1162 01:16:28,466 --> 01:16:34,944 [Devilwalk] Watching your games, I notice sometimes it really pays off, but other times it's an unnecessary loss. 1163 01:16:34,925 --> 01:16:43,167 [Devilwalk] Not to reveal all your strategies, but are you working towards identifying when you make these plays and when to be more tactical? 1164 01:16:35,701 --> 01:16:40,698 [lauNX] Are you working with... 1165 01:16:43,748 --> 01:16:48,462 [Devilwalk] Or do you guys plan to just continue making these plays and hoping it pays off? 1166 01:16:49,622 --> 01:16:51,046 [lauNX] I mean, it's a little bit of both. 1167 01:16:51,247 --> 01:16:54,996 [lauNX] We won't stop doing it because it's one of our secret weapons. 1168 01:16:55,015 --> 01:16:56,158 [lauNX] And why should we stop using it? 1169 01:16:56,198 --> 01:16:59,768 [lauNX] Because it's a hell of a good weapon, surprising the opponent. 1170 01:16:59,747 --> 01:17:13,453 [lauNX] but we are working on it every time every theory we have it every time we throw every situation with advantage people we are losing we always identify the problem the tiniest problem we try to look why it happened like 1171 01:17:13,703 --> 01:17:14,605 [lauNX] Why did you pick? 1172 01:17:14,706 --> 01:17:16,351 [lauNX] Like, what did he say to me to pick? 1173 01:17:16,372 --> 01:17:18,779 [lauNX] Because sometimes maybe it's not even his fault. 1174 01:17:18,819 --> 01:17:20,123 [lauNX] Maybe it's not his fault because he picked. 1175 01:17:20,364 --> 01:17:22,090 [lauNX] Maybe it's my bad because I told him to pick. 1176 01:17:20,722 --> 01:17:20,963 [Devilwalk] No. 1177 01:17:22,572 --> 01:17:24,719 [lauNX] And then, you know, it goes to both. 1178 01:17:24,779 --> 01:17:26,886 [lauNX] Like, maybe it's the bad of... Yeah. 1179 01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:28,692 [Devilwalk] Teammates can also make you look shit, you know? 1180 01:17:28,064 --> 01:17:30,847 [lauNX] Yeah, that's the problem and not many people think about it. 1181 01:17:32,530 --> 01:17:38,720 [lauNX] But yeah, we are working on it, but we won't stop doing it because this is one of our key strongholds. 1182 01:17:38,940 --> 01:17:42,626 [lauNX] And not only for the team, but for each individual. 1183 01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:46,932 [lauNX] We can all pop off, we can all do crazy plays, push through smokes and do... 1184 01:17:46,912 --> 01:17:53,599 [lauNX] taps and sprays so yeah we are just working it to keep it on a controlled level 1185 01:17:54,625 --> 01:17:56,930 [Banks] The next question is from Nolito. 1186 01:17:56,949 --> 01:18:06,631 [Banks] Do you think there's any psychological link between embracing visible self-expression like tattoos and being willing to fully commit to a non-traditional path like esports? 1187 01:18:07,112 --> 01:18:10,338 [Banks] Was pursuing a conventional career ever something you considered? 1188 01:18:10,757 --> 01:18:14,753 [Devilwalk] It's basically saying it's the crazy people that have tattoos. 1189 01:18:13,390 --> 01:18:32,327 [lauNX] I know yeah yeah yeah I kind of I understood anyway because like in Romania usually kids ask me this like younger children right they ask me this because you know it's being a trend now with us teenagers to get a shit ton of tattoos right so why not they are cool for me it's 1190 01:18:15,176 --> 01:18:16,903 [Devilwalk] There's a link there. 1191 01:18:32,442 --> 01:18:33,724 [lauNX] I mean, for me, it's more of art. 1192 01:18:33,743 --> 01:18:34,865 [lauNX] Like, I really like tattoos. 1193 01:18:34,886 --> 01:18:36,429 [lauNX] For me, it's like an art you paint on the body. 1194 01:18:36,729 --> 01:18:37,350 [lauNX] So here's that. 1195 01:18:37,390 --> 01:18:39,854 [lauNX] People can see however they want, but that's how I see it. 1196 01:18:41,817 --> 01:18:47,667 [lauNX] But... I mean, I don't think there is any real connection, probably, but... 1197 01:18:50,448 --> 01:19:02,010 [lauNX] i don't know i don't think there's any real connection with the tattoos and playing cs to be honest no it's just something you want to do probably but i think in cs 1198 01:18:54,311 --> 01:19:14,159 [Devilwalk] Maybe there's just like a higher percentage of crazy people having tattoos compared to... Ah, yeah. 1199 01:19:02,462 --> 01:19:05,592 [lauNX] And this is a real fact, at least that's how I see it. 1200 01:19:06,175 --> 01:19:14,059 [lauNX] I think some people do get tattooed also for the PR, for the media side, because I'm telling you, 1201 01:19:14,038 --> 01:19:18,448 [lauNX] When tournament organizers do photo and videos, they will mainly prioritize the tattoo guys, right? 1202 01:19:18,689 --> 01:19:21,376 [lauNX] They want to like, you know, with Albania, you do the Albanian thing. 1203 01:19:21,395 --> 01:19:21,997 [lauNX] You have tattoos. 1204 01:19:22,057 --> 01:19:22,578 [lauNX] It's insane. 1205 01:19:22,899 --> 01:19:23,681 [lauNX] Everyone will love it. 1206 01:19:23,721 --> 01:19:24,823 [lauNX] It's the same for every country. 1207 01:19:24,884 --> 01:19:29,414 [lauNX] If you have some specific symbol and you have tattoos, they will try to use the tattoo to market. 1208 01:19:29,395 --> 01:19:32,806 [lauNX] And it's smart in a social media-ish way. 1209 01:19:33,389 --> 01:19:35,858 [lauNX] If you think about it, yeah, people do it. 1210 01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:39,591 [lauNX] And if you like it, then why not do some good art on you? 1211 01:19:38,643 --> 01:19:38,970 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1212 01:19:39,891 --> 01:19:45,479 [Banks] Off the back of that second part of that question, have you ever considered having a normal career outside of esports? 1213 01:19:45,511 --> 01:19:50,520 [lauNX] Funny thing is, before starting playing CS, I was so close into joining the army. 1214 01:19:51,301 --> 01:19:56,011 [lauNX] Like, yeah, I wanted to go to the army high school in Romania when I finished eighth grade. 1215 01:19:56,572 --> 01:19:58,796 [lauNX] But then I watched this Kenias clip. 1216 01:19:58,976 --> 01:20:00,099 [lauNX] It was the Kenias clip. 1217 01:20:00,139 --> 01:20:01,782 [lauNX] I think it's on Krujnapoka. 1218 01:20:01,761 --> 01:20:05,192 [lauNX] The one with the major player profiles, with KennyS it was, I remember it. 1219 01:20:05,592 --> 01:20:07,077 [lauNX] And then I watched the one with Pasha. 1220 01:20:07,096 --> 01:20:13,054 [lauNX] And after watching them together with my mom, I remember I told her before going to school, it was like 7.30 a.m., I told mom, 1221 01:20:14,215 --> 01:20:15,779 [lauNX] I want to be a professional CS player. 1222 01:20:15,958 --> 01:20:16,900 [lauNX] I will do it for you, mom. 1223 01:20:17,202 --> 01:20:18,805 [lauNX] I just told her like this in Romanian. 1224 01:20:19,247 --> 01:20:22,474 [lauNX] And she was looking at me laughing at that time because she thought I'm crazy. 1225 01:20:22,493 --> 01:20:26,823 [lauNX] And she was like, yeah, I will truly believe in you and I will support you and I will endorse you in whatever you do. 1226 01:20:26,884 --> 01:20:27,445 [lauNX] And she did it. 1227 01:20:27,485 --> 01:20:28,689 [lauNX] So we paid off. 1228 01:20:31,113 --> 01:20:32,797 [lauNX] But only Army was in my head. 1229 01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:34,550 [Devilwalk] Cool. 1230 01:20:35,478 --> 01:20:47,479 [lauNX] what's the feeling of having 1231 01:20:35,632 --> 01:20:37,778 [Devilwalk] We have a question from Thermocos1. 1232 01:20:39,242 --> 01:20:44,154 [Devilwalk] What's the feeling of having Krabeni as your IGL and what does he bring to the team? 1233 01:20:44,515 --> 01:20:49,487 [Devilwalk] You kind of answered it throughout this podcast, but maybe you can summarize a bit. 1234 01:20:50,210 --> 01:20:53,737 [lauNX] Yeah, I mean, on a game-wise, I feel I'm playing with a cheater. 1235 01:20:53,917 --> 01:20:58,905 [lauNX] I have to say about game-wise, he's very sharp aim-wise. 1236 01:20:54,292 --> 01:20:55,225 [Devilwalk] Ha ha ha. 1237 01:20:59,046 --> 01:21:00,148 [lauNX] He has perfect calls. 1238 01:21:00,729 --> 01:21:01,992 [lauNX] He's a very hard-working guy. 1239 01:21:02,131 --> 01:21:04,235 [lauNX] He's constantly trying to work on his flaws. 1240 01:21:04,216 --> 01:21:06,819 [lauNX] And on the team flaws, which is a good side of a captain. 1241 01:21:07,301 --> 01:21:08,944 [lauNX] He's trying to fix the team and himself. 1242 01:21:09,585 --> 01:21:11,729 [lauNX] So that's good, especially because he's young and he has it. 1243 01:21:13,070 --> 01:21:18,319 [lauNX] And I don't know if he's such a cool guy, like cool guy. 1244 01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:19,881 [lauNX] Like I laugh a lot with him. 1245 01:21:19,983 --> 01:21:22,646 [lauNX] He's making like crazy jokes, but at the same time. 1246 01:21:23,015 --> 01:21:25,639 [lauNX] He has this, I don't know, I think it's Albanian personality. 1247 01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:29,043 [lauNX] But, man, he's, I don't know. 1248 01:21:30,185 --> 01:21:32,048 [lauNX] Sometimes he's tough as a rock, you know. 1249 01:21:32,069 --> 01:21:38,177 [lauNX] I tell him he's going so harsh on sometimes team or symmetry when they do mistakes. 1250 01:21:38,217 --> 01:21:40,721 [lauNX] And I'm telling him, like, hey, man, calm down. 1251 01:21:41,103 --> 01:21:42,524 [lauNX] Like, don't fight them soon. 1252 01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:46,815 [lauNX] But he's very nice, man. 1253 01:21:46,876 --> 01:21:49,279 [lauNX] In any possible way, it's down to Krab. 1254 01:21:49,701 --> 01:22:02,505 [lauNX] Krab, man. 1255 01:21:50,572 --> 01:21:53,949 [Banks] And lastly, we have Skorga, who always writes in a question. 1256 01:21:54,604 --> 01:22:03,237 [Banks] Scorga says, while not quite the oldest on the team at 20, how do you handle being the experienced one in the run up to the major as the only major veteran on the team? 1257 01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:07,262 [Banks] Points to Banks and Devwalk if they can remember which team and major you made it on. 1258 01:22:07,603 --> 01:22:09,645 [Banks] I'm sure they can easily as he's pros. 1259 01:22:10,146 --> 01:22:12,630 [Banks] They are as the pros they are. 1260 01:22:10,162 --> 01:22:18,283 [lauNX] I would 1261 01:22:10,922 --> 01:22:24,122 [Devilwalk] I would not have gotten the major itself but I would have definitely guessed Sprout as the team 1262 01:22:12,744 --> 01:22:13,773 [Banks] It's the Rio Major. 1263 01:22:14,034 --> 01:22:16,494 [Banks] I was there with B&E and you were playing for Sprout. 1264 01:22:25,097 --> 01:22:44,591 [lauNX] real major yeah yeah crazy experiences i had uh yeah but i don't 1265 01:22:35,375 --> 01:22:38,721 [Devilwalk] I mean, you talked about this, you know, hyping, talking to the guys. 1266 01:22:39,342 --> 01:22:41,067 [Devilwalk] How do you handle being the experienced one? 1267 01:22:41,087 --> 01:22:48,140 [Devilwalk] You've told them about not doing the same mistakes as you or you don't want them to end up in that way. 1268 01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:53,752 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1269 01:22:48,587 --> 01:22:55,210 [lauNX] Yeah, but it has nothing to do with the Major because I thought about transferring to the Major team, but I don't feel like upcoming. 1270 01:22:53,773 --> 01:22:53,872 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1271 01:22:55,369 --> 01:22:56,132 [lauNX] I don't care about it. 1272 01:22:56,172 --> 01:22:57,436 [lauNX] I'm happy I got my sticker again. 1273 01:22:57,476 --> 01:23:00,126 [lauNX] I'm happy the guys got their sticker in the game for sticker. 1274 01:23:00,166 --> 01:23:00,807 [lauNX] Many more to come. 1275 01:23:01,243 --> 01:23:17,953 [lauNX] you know but I'm not thinking like oh it's the major like again is the major I don't think it's that much and if anything I swear I have nothing I swear I have nothing from it like we won against who it was oh yeah we 1276 01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:12,631 [Devilwalk] Maybe you can share some like, what was your experience? 1277 01:23:17,104 --> 01:23:23,100 [Devilwalk] But even emotionally going into the major, didn't you feel like in a certain special kind of way? 1278 01:23:22,489 --> 01:23:24,875 [lauNX] Oh no, I was scared the shit out of me. 1279 01:23:25,136 --> 01:23:28,502 [lauNX] I was so pressured and I was so scared of my life. 1280 01:23:28,603 --> 01:23:30,226 [lauNX] I had no clue what was happening there. 1281 01:23:30,266 --> 01:23:36,921 [lauNX] And that's why it was such a bad major individually for me because I was so scared of, like, you know, just scared of fucking up. 1282 01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:39,389 [lauNX] Yeah, it was 0-84, 0-86. 1283 01:23:39,408 --> 01:23:41,194 [lauNX] I will always remember it. 1284 01:23:41,215 --> 01:23:41,856 [lauNX] It was not good. 1285 01:23:41,976 --> 01:23:42,738 [lauNX] It was not pleasant. 1286 01:23:42,819 --> 01:23:48,015 [lauNX] I played very good in the RMR for it, but in the Major itself, I was pooping the floor. 1287 01:23:48,136 --> 01:23:48,918 [lauNX] It was not good. 1288 01:23:48,899 --> 01:23:58,608 [lauNX] But at least for me, I feel I gained much more confidence and calmness and maturity from real life experiences and what I've done in real life 10 years. 1289 01:23:59,289 --> 01:24:02,841 [lauNX] I mean, of course, playing tournaments and stuff is, yeah, okay, nice. 1290 01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:20,712 [lauNX] but in the end who lived the real life a bit like you know like it has nothing to do with real life situations like when it comes down to actually fighting for your life like it was the same in mountain i'll share a story if i can i was on the i was on the mountain with my girlfriend we did like two peaks 1291 01:24:15,274 --> 01:24:15,903 [Devilwalk] Of course. 1292 01:24:20,692 --> 01:24:35,645 [lauNX] uh and then we went back we hiked for like i think eight hours it was the ninth hour when we decided to go back on the on a circuit route and i remember i saw the storm like they were like all the peaks on the mountain i remember i saw the storm and i told her like there is no way it can 1293 01:24:35,626 --> 01:24:54,411 [lauNX] go across the peak and come over to us right and she was like nah nah no way and we were just like chilling moving around and i'm not even kidding like 30 minutes when we went down to the peak it was a valley like this right the mountains like this and we were going down we were in the middle of it and in like 30 minutes the sky was completely black 1294 01:24:54,846 --> 01:25:00,538 [lauNX] like there were like hail storm with the size of these balls on the mountain. 1295 01:25:00,658 --> 01:25:03,626 [lauNX] I was seeing, I'd never saw this in my life and I didn't know it's possible. 1296 01:25:03,645 --> 01:25:11,903 [lauNX] I said on the mountain, I could see from each peak, there were like waterfalls coming down in the valley, in the middle where we were like, everything was flooding up. 1297 01:25:09,528 --> 01:25:10,881 [Devilwalk] Ah. 1298 01:25:12,323 --> 01:25:14,188 [lauNX] And I was looking and I was like, Hey, 1299 01:25:14,606 --> 01:25:15,609 [lauNX] Like we need to run. 1300 01:25:15,850 --> 01:25:23,507 [lauNX] And like the terrain, like the terrain was like rocks, like, like this, like this rocks, like rock sticks, big, like you couldn't run on it. 1301 01:25:23,847 --> 01:25:24,489 [lauNX] It was wet. 1302 01:25:25,131 --> 01:25:27,938 [lauNX] And we hiked like four hours through the mountain. 1303 01:25:27,957 --> 01:25:31,686 [lauNX] And then one more hour started to the forest with a hailstorm on our ass. 1304 01:25:32,207 --> 01:25:33,189 [lauNX] And that was the time. 1305 01:25:33,625 --> 01:25:35,488 [lauNX] I felt like real danger to my life. 1306 01:25:35,608 --> 01:25:39,373 [lauNX] And I think from that moment on, like my brain kind of turned off. 1307 01:25:39,514 --> 01:25:41,417 [lauNX] I don't have any emotion in the game when I play. 1308 01:25:41,436 --> 01:25:42,398 [lauNX] Like I don't feel pressure. 1309 01:25:42,618 --> 01:25:44,020 [lauNX] I just can't feel it anymore. 1310 01:25:44,041 --> 01:25:45,283 [lauNX] I'm not feeling scared anymore. 1311 01:25:45,323 --> 01:25:49,368 [lauNX] I don't feel scared to go and die in the game, you know, because I already felt something in real life. 1312 01:25:49,469 --> 01:25:52,713 [lauNX] And I think that kind of gives me the advantage of it in many situations. 1313 01:25:52,828 --> 01:25:54,936 [Banks] I remember exactly where I was when that happened. 1314 01:25:55,016 --> 01:25:56,542 [Banks] I was with B&E in the practice rooms. 1315 01:25:56,904 --> 01:25:58,610 [Banks] When we looked out the windows, it was crazy. 1316 01:25:59,173 --> 01:25:59,939 [lauNX] But it was now. 1317 01:26:00,438 --> 01:26:02,265 [Banks] Oh, I thought we were talking about Rio. 1318 01:26:02,127 --> 01:26:03,211 [Devilwalk] It wasn't in Rio. 1319 01:26:03,283 --> 01:26:04,412 [lauNX] No. 1320 01:26:04,471 --> 01:26:05,117 [lauNX] No. 1321 01:26:05,671 --> 01:26:07,957 [Banks] We had this in Rio during the major. 1322 01:26:08,118 --> 01:26:12,551 [Banks] We were in the practice rooms and the weather went from lovely, all nice to chaos outside. 1323 01:26:12,931 --> 01:26:14,195 [Banks] We were with the guys, bruv. 1324 01:26:14,512 --> 01:26:27,391 [lauNX] no no it was less it was less summer in Romania when I hiked one of my like the second highest peak in this chain of mountains in Romania where I hike it was crazy yeah 1325 01:26:26,055 --> 01:26:27,162 [Banks] It was a bad omen. 1326 01:26:27,545 --> 01:26:28,993 [Banks] We got eliminated by Na'Vi. 1327 01:26:29,274 --> 01:26:30,682 [Banks] I thought you were talking about Rio. 1328 01:26:30,662 --> 01:26:32,351 [lauNX] I should have said this in Romania. 1329 01:26:32,372 --> 01:26:34,081 [lauNX] I should have explained maybe in the beginning. 1330 01:26:34,905 --> 01:26:35,930 [lauNX] But yeah. 1331 01:26:36,518 --> 01:26:37,501 [Devilwalk] I got it, I got it 1332 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:44,168 [Banks] One final question I'm going to add because you got Troshu now as the assistant coach for the team. 1333 01:26:44,890 --> 01:26:46,694 [Banks] He's been with you since Klujna Poker. 1334 01:26:46,854 --> 01:26:48,355 [Banks] Has he been with you guys since then? 1335 01:26:48,331 --> 01:26:57,817 [lauNX] I mean, we kind of started working him from crack hole off the scenes, like he was doing prep, like he was still working with Falcons, but they kind of made an agreement, Falcons and food. 1336 01:26:56,970 --> 01:26:57,851 [Banks] Yeah, something like that. 1337 01:26:58,478 --> 01:27:04,635 [lauNX] And because he's such a maniac and hardworking guy, he was doing prep for Falcons and for us in the same time. 1338 01:27:04,614 --> 01:27:23,787 [lauNX] like he was doing prep for both teams in the same time like no yeah like he did it right they were not in diverting crackle i don't remember yeah they have been actually yes yes yes yes yes definitely and i remember like he was doing entry for us and for them at that time a bit 1339 01:27:12,715 --> 01:27:14,574 [Banks] Falcons was there at Krakow, right? 1340 01:27:23,768 --> 01:27:43,701 [lauNX] and then when the cracko ended we signed them because that's how the deal went cracko is finishing and you get him okay but he's bringing so much impact to the team like he is unbelievable like i don't know like you can feel he has the tire one experience because not only with falcons here but he also worked with the likes of ants 1341 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:59,698 [lauNX] a long time and I can see the experience like he's bringing entire one input into the team and this makes it even better because now you have a guy like I think it's very good to have someone in the staff like coaching staff who was actively in Taiwan for years 1342 01:27:59,677 --> 01:28:19,222 [lauNX] the last years of his life because one he's used to the current tier one meta and two he knows how to handle it like he just played for falcons i've somehow we play falcons i would just lay like this on my back at theory and i let mac speak i will just let roshu speak just like spill the beans like tell me what they play their tendencies everything 1343 01:28:19,203 --> 01:28:21,051 [lauNX] Yeah, but he's very good. 1344 01:28:21,070 --> 01:28:27,457 [lauNX] I think he's one of the best in the market right now and I hope no one will come after him. 1345 01:28:28,247 --> 01:28:32,891 [Banks] After how I know him and what I heard he does, I feel it would be a good fit for you guys. 1346 01:28:33,039 --> 01:28:33,881 [lauNX] Yeah, yeah. 1347 01:28:34,002 --> 01:28:35,423 [lauNX] I mean, like, there's the thing. 1348 01:28:35,965 --> 01:28:42,978 [lauNX] If you would stay with us a day in a practice, especially in bootcamp, for example, because in bootcamp, it's even crazier when we're next to each other. 1349 01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:48,929 [lauNX] Like, you would not feel it's a team, you'd feel as though it's like a friendly pack. 1350 01:28:49,088 --> 01:28:50,492 [lauNX] And I'm seeing it because 1351 01:28:50,827 --> 01:28:56,777 [lauNX] Not only that we speak like friends, like no joke, the jokes we make and the way we talk to each other, it doesn't even feel like a job. 1352 01:28:56,796 --> 01:29:01,184 [lauNX] Like if you would tell someone we are really working, they will say, no way they speak like this. 1353 01:29:01,423 --> 01:29:03,688 [lauNX] Because we are friends in the end, you know, we're like brothers. 1354 01:29:03,967 --> 01:29:06,152 [lauNX] We're just hanging out, like making fun of each other. 1355 01:29:06,131 --> 01:29:06,693 [lauNX] Why not? 1356 01:29:07,755 --> 01:29:12,283 [lauNX] And it's the same with Max because he's a bit older than us and he has a lot of experience in his head. 1357 01:29:12,345 --> 01:29:14,167 [lauNX] Everyone is listening to him. 1358 01:29:15,952 --> 01:29:23,887 [lauNX] But I want to make it clear because I don't want people to think that he was not listening to Falcons because I don't want to put bad crosses into Falcons and him. 1359 01:29:24,238 --> 01:29:34,021 [lauNX] From our side, I think we're much more open to his stuff than Falcons, but I know Falcons were also open, but of course they have different perspectives of seeing stuff. 1360 01:29:34,682 --> 01:29:34,923 [lauNX] Yeah. 1361 01:29:34,938 --> 01:29:41,253 [Banks] And also, do you feel for right now, it seems that you are getting a lot more love from the Romanian community again? 1362 01:29:41,293 --> 01:29:42,501 [Banks] How does that feel? 1363 01:29:44,725 --> 01:29:46,467 [lauNX] I mean, of course, I love it. 1364 01:29:46,488 --> 01:29:48,751 [lauNX] But in the end, I'm going to be honest with you. 1365 01:29:49,131 --> 01:29:56,283 [lauNX] I feel the Romanian community is one of my biggest and one of my like one of the best things and not the worst things because I need to be realistic. 1366 01:29:56,302 --> 01:30:01,771 [lauNX] And I always said it on my shims, like the Romanian people were the ones who got me up into the scene. 1367 01:30:01,752 --> 01:30:04,796 [lauNX] And they were the ones who tried to bury me down into the scene. 1368 01:30:05,176 --> 01:30:08,002 [lauNX] Literally, honestly speaking, they tried to bury me in the ground. 1369 01:30:08,783 --> 01:30:09,182 [lauNX] No joke. 1370 01:30:09,384 --> 01:30:12,689 [lauNX] With facts like lies and rumors. 1371 01:30:13,170 --> 01:30:14,492 [lauNX] And no one told me anything. 1372 01:30:14,511 --> 01:30:18,698 [lauNX] And I had to find out from different foreign players from tier 1, tier 2 about these lies. 1373 01:30:19,184 --> 01:30:21,890 [lauNX] in events or like the straight up phone calls at 2 a.m. 1374 01:30:21,909 --> 01:30:22,570 [lauNX] in the fucking night. 1375 01:30:22,591 --> 01:30:26,940 [lauNX] It's like just, you know, and yeah, I mean, I love it. 1376 01:30:26,961 --> 01:30:34,877 [lauNX] But in the same time, I can't forget what happened because a lot of lies have been spread about me on Twitter, on live streams, on HLTV posts, and no one asked me anything. 1377 01:30:34,939 --> 01:30:37,885 [lauNX] Like no one knew anything about me at all in real life. 1378 01:30:37,864 --> 01:30:40,996 [lauNX] But everyone was assuming that I'm doing the craziest possible stuff. 1379 01:30:41,015 --> 01:30:43,564 [lauNX] And I might have done it, but not the way people said it. 1380 01:30:43,604 --> 01:30:48,481 [lauNX] Like people took it to a way that it made me look like I'm some, you know, New York homeless guy. 1381 01:30:48,462 --> 01:30:50,425 [lauNX] And it was not like this, honestly. 1382 01:30:50,585 --> 01:30:51,266 [lauNX] And I don't like it. 1383 01:30:51,606 --> 01:30:53,711 [lauNX] Not only with me, but it goes the same for every people. 1384 01:30:53,791 --> 01:30:56,335 [lauNX] I don't think anyone should go through such kind of stuff. 1385 01:30:56,375 --> 01:30:59,019 [lauNX] You should never lie about anyone's past or future. 1386 01:30:59,319 --> 01:31:00,662 [lauNX] If he done it, okay, let him do it. 1387 01:31:00,681 --> 01:31:02,104 [lauNX] But at least speak the full facts. 1388 01:31:02,664 --> 01:31:04,969 [lauNX] Don't shove dirt in his mouth for no reason. 1389 01:31:05,337 --> 01:31:08,002 [Banks] A lot of us have this on HLTV, Frez, Reddit. 1390 01:31:08,261 --> 01:31:09,444 [Banks] They act like they all know you. 1391 01:31:09,463 --> 01:31:20,403 [Banks] It's like Devil Walk. 1392 01:31:09,909 --> 01:31:12,114 [lauNX] Oh, what do you mean? 1393 01:31:12,697 --> 01:31:13,880 [lauNX] He's the biggest man I've seen. 1394 01:31:13,899 --> 01:31:15,703 [lauNX] He took his pants when he won a tournament. 1395 01:31:15,496 --> 01:31:16,378 [Devilwalk] Where do you read that? 1396 01:31:15,724 --> 01:31:17,849 [lauNX] He's the biggest man we've seen in CS community. 1397 01:31:18,371 --> 01:31:28,054 [lauNX] So... What? 1398 01:31:20,422 --> 01:31:22,265 [Banks] He likes to wear women's clothing. 1399 01:31:21,756 --> 01:31:22,438 [Devilwalk] Yeah, exactly. 1400 01:31:22,518 --> 01:31:23,721 [Devilwalk] What the fuck? 1401 01:31:23,742 --> 01:31:25,688 [Devilwalk] Show some cojones yourself, Banks. 1402 01:31:26,912 --> 01:31:28,898 [Devilwalk] Where's your pants drop on stage? 1403 01:31:29,636 --> 01:31:31,000 [lauNX] We win the major, I swear. 1404 01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:35,949 [lauNX] If I win the major and you'll be on the interview, we will say it now and we'll remember for sure both of us. 1405 01:31:36,250 --> 01:31:39,195 [lauNX] If we win, when you take the interview, just take the fans part of us off. 1406 01:31:40,318 --> 01:31:41,541 [lauNX] Yep. 1407 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:42,042 [lauNX] Yep. 1408 01:31:42,061 --> 01:31:45,748 [lauNX] No one will understand anything but only us three and the guys watching the podcast. 1409 01:31:45,618 --> 01:31:46,840 [Devilwalk] Do a devil walk, man. 1410 01:31:45,809 --> 01:31:47,712 [lauNX] Yeah, that would be great. 1411 01:31:46,859 --> 01:31:59,323 [Devilwalk] 100% of people who have promised to take the pants off if they win the major has won the major. 1412 01:31:47,862 --> 01:31:48,770 [Banks] I will commit to that. 1413 01:31:49,074 --> 01:31:49,600 [Banks] I'll be down. 1414 01:31:50,024 --> 01:31:51,055 [Banks] Just drop them down. 1415 01:31:59,438 --> 01:32:03,604 [lauNX] But, I mean, I promise now I'll take my pants off if I do. 1416 01:32:03,645 --> 01:32:04,407 [lauNX] But how should I do it? 1417 01:32:04,426 --> 01:32:05,347 [lauNX] Like, should I rip it off? 1418 01:32:05,609 --> 01:32:10,556 [lauNX] Or, like, how do I... Yeah, okay. 1419 01:32:10,154 --> 01:32:11,518 [Devilwalk] Just boss it. 1420 01:32:10,577 --> 01:32:12,159 [lauNX] Okay. 1421 01:32:12,180 --> 01:32:12,279 [lauNX] Yeah. 1422 01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:15,085 [lauNX] But, oh, I thought they will, like, rip them off. 1423 01:32:15,470 --> 01:32:16,554 [Devilwalk] No, I just dropped them. 1424 01:32:17,055 --> 01:32:36,533 [lauNX] oh i thought you ripped him off okay okay like that's how i don't know that's how i had in the back of my head like i knew he did it but in the back of my head he was just like like yeah 1425 01:32:21,128 --> 01:32:22,171 [Devilwalk] I'm not that strong. 1426 01:32:29,542 --> 01:32:30,645 [Banks] We just talked about this. 1427 01:32:31,347 --> 01:32:33,112 [Banks] Now this is how forum posts start. 1428 01:32:33,340 --> 01:32:35,806 [Devilwalk] Yep. 1429 01:32:35,827 --> 01:32:39,216 [Devilwalk] This is going to be the biggest news on Twitter after the release. 1430 01:32:36,783 --> 01:32:56,765 [lauNX] yep yep yep man they won't say anything because they know i'm crazy like they know they would say like hey normal day in the office let him do his job 1431 01:32:39,719 --> 01:32:46,257 [Devilwalk] If Lungs wins the major, he's going to take his pants off. 1432 01:32:43,278 --> 01:32:44,240 [Banks] Then I'm going to have to do it. 1433 01:32:44,542 --> 01:32:46,606 [Banks] The rest of the team are just going to look at us crazy. 1434 01:32:46,278 --> 01:32:46,438 [Devilwalk] Yep. 1435 01:32:57,757 --> 01:33:03,336 [Banks] So Lowndes, thank you so much for joining us after winning Bucharest and learning so much more about your career. 1436 01:33:03,376 --> 01:33:07,007 [Banks] It was absolutely wonderful to just learn more about you as well. 1437 01:33:07,047 --> 01:33:09,456 [Banks] Lastly, is there anything else you want to say? 1438 01:33:10,194 --> 01:33:24,323 [lauNX] I mean no it's I mean of course I feel in PGL like I think it was also PGL requesting me to do it because you know probably me being Romanian and yeah so it has to be a correlation 1439 01:33:24,302 --> 01:33:40,556 [lauNX] but i'm i always told them like they should take the interviews because it's helping their image and it's helping them speak more open to the public because yeah like we win a tournament on stage you have to speak in front of everyone what will you say you know like hey thank you good okay no i need to be 1440 01:33:38,865 --> 01:33:39,710 [Devilwalk] It's good practice. 1441 01:33:40,537 --> 01:33:56,114 [lauNX] yeah we need to be strong speeches you know i want to see them speaking good and thank you for having me by the way 1442 01:33:44,573 --> 01:33:45,618 [Devilwalk] And yeah. 1443 01:33:47,354 --> 01:33:49,398 [Devilwalk] It was our pleasure entirely. 1444 01:33:50,421 --> 01:33:51,262 [Devilwalk] Thank you so much. 1445 01:33:51,724 --> 01:34:00,181 [Devilwalk] I felt I have got to know you a little bit more and I feel like every time we, you know, get a guest on 1446 01:34:00,162 --> 01:34:19,537 [Devilwalk] i feel like i root for that person and that team even more just because you you gain some extra kind of sense of the personality you definitely showed your personality here today and again i want to thank you for joining us but also for continuously showing 1447 01:34:13,931 --> 01:34:29,207 [lauNX] thank you thank you 1448 01:34:19,518 --> 01:34:28,346 [Devilwalk] your way and your style of Counter-Strike and I'll be rooting for you in the coming tournaments so yeah 1449 01:34:30,233 --> 01:34:49,490 [Banks] an amazing guest a lot of insight and we did just talk to him off camera before we let him go to discuss the fact that he will come on to do a proper all about lance because he has such an interesting story interesting career history his mindset like there's very few players 1450 01:34:49,588 --> 01:34:53,097 [Banks] that interest me as much as they do him, you know? 1451 01:34:53,137 --> 01:34:55,162 [Banks] And I'm not even talking about the game side. 1452 01:34:55,182 --> 01:34:56,926 [Banks] I'm talking about out of game side as well. 1453 01:34:57,722 --> 01:35:06,176 [Devilwalk] But it's also that he's so raw and unfiltered in a way that you get dragged along into his story in a different way. 1454 01:34:57,829 --> 01:35:00,796 [Banks] It's just, yeah. 1455 01:35:05,587 --> 01:35:09,117 [Banks] But he does also hold himself back without going too far. 1456 01:35:09,176 --> 01:35:16,557 [Banks] There's some things he wants to say, but he's smart enough to know when he should reel it in, which is something we can definitely appreciate for him, for sure. 1457 01:35:16,091 --> 01:35:16,271 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1458 01:35:16,537 --> 01:35:21,966 [Banks] So what we need to continue doing here, and it's not going to be too crazy long, but we'll be looking at PGR Bucharest. 1459 01:35:21,985 --> 01:35:23,628 [Banks] Obviously, we already spoke about Foot's journey. 1460 01:35:24,090 --> 01:35:26,592 [Banks] So Foot has been done by Lowndes himself. 1461 01:35:27,014 --> 01:35:28,296 [Banks] But let's start going through this. 1462 01:35:28,315 --> 01:35:30,139 [Banks] So FaZe is the first one. 1463 01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:32,402 [Banks] We're going to come into the character news a little bit later on. 1464 01:35:32,903 --> 01:35:33,484 [Banks] But... 1465 01:35:33,463 --> 01:35:36,930 [Banks] Faze, obviously, default lost two games because they weren't at the event. 1466 01:35:37,231 --> 01:35:39,195 [Banks] Then they played inner circle, lost 0-2. 1467 01:35:39,556 --> 01:35:48,375 [Banks] I'm not surprised they lost 0-2, bro, because you just probably stepped off a plane in the sometime middle of the night after losing the major, losing the dreams, not sure what the team's going to do. 1468 01:35:48,395 --> 01:35:52,283 [Banks] And then you're supposed to try and save yourself from elimination in another tournament. 1469 01:35:52,853 --> 01:35:53,715 [Banks] There's no real surprise. 1470 01:35:54,296 --> 01:35:56,282 [Banks] People are going, oh, their lottery in a circle is so bad. 1471 01:35:56,382 --> 01:35:59,470 [Banks] Guys, have we seen their whole career this year, this year results? 1472 01:36:00,554 --> 01:36:01,275 [Banks] This isn't crazy. 1473 01:36:02,319 --> 01:36:05,126 [Devilwalk] No, it's not crazy, but it's still crazy. 1474 01:36:06,931 --> 01:36:07,453 [Banks] Overall. 1475 01:36:08,694 --> 01:36:16,931 [Devilwalk] But you have to like, even if all those circumstances tune in, it's still a 0-2 game they're playing. 1476 01:36:16,798 --> 01:36:17,140 [Banks] Yeah. 1477 01:36:16,952 --> 01:36:21,020 [Devilwalk] They're playing the easiest game in the entire tournament. 1478 01:36:22,569 --> 01:36:39,533 [Devilwalk] so to speak uh so no i get that but they they at the same time you know his face they they've they should be able to pick themselves up there's so many experienced professional players in there that 1479 01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:23,872 [Banks] Yeah. 1480 01:36:26,676 --> 01:36:28,399 [Banks] But just your mentor wasn't going to be there. 1481 01:36:28,460 --> 01:36:29,822 [Banks] Your mentor was never going to be there. 1482 01:36:29,903 --> 01:36:30,724 [Banks] Yeah. 1483 01:36:41,032 --> 01:36:58,533 [Devilwalk] I feel like you can still kind of criticize them losing a 0-2 game. 1484 01:36:45,993 --> 01:36:46,483 [Banks] Fair enough. 1485 01:36:47,216 --> 01:36:48,256 [Banks] Fair enough. 1486 01:36:49,029 --> 01:36:57,284 [Banks] All right, let's do then looking at next team, VOCA, American side that came on in, obviously SEMFIS, coach for the team. 1487 01:36:57,865 --> 01:36:59,590 [Banks] They lost to NRG in a domestic matchup. 1488 01:36:59,609 --> 01:37:05,039 [Banks] When you lose to NRG in the opening game, it is already going to be quite hard. 1489 01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:09,046 [Banks] And they obviously did have a substitute player anyway, play across the tournament for them. 1490 01:37:09,027 --> 01:37:11,893 [Banks] Then you go into 3D Max. 1491 01:37:09,500 --> 01:37:09,760 [Devilwalk] Yep. 1492 01:37:12,413 --> 01:37:15,501 [Banks] You play with still the substitute player coming in there. 1493 01:37:15,541 --> 01:37:19,048 [Banks] You're going up against the 3D Max who is playing obviously above that level. 1494 01:37:19,529 --> 01:37:20,893 [Banks] I will say... 1495 01:37:21,007 --> 01:37:23,456 [Banks] I know I predicted at one point BC game to make playoffs. 1496 01:37:23,576 --> 01:37:25,121 [Banks] I'm a little bit delusional on that. 1497 01:37:25,162 --> 01:37:29,033 [Banks] You know, I just said that could be the sneak one we'll come into that later. 1498 01:37:29,576 --> 01:37:32,385 [Banks] But even the fact they took a map from 1499 01:37:33,292 --> 01:37:35,539 [Banks] BC game, it's still something they can be impressed with. 1500 01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:37,907 [Banks] They're still notably good players on that team. 1501 01:37:37,867 --> 01:37:46,914 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1502 01:37:38,307 --> 01:37:39,631 [Banks] We were trying to grind and go forward. 1503 01:37:39,652 --> 01:37:42,862 [Banks] So obviously going out in last place isn't what this team wants. 1504 01:37:43,002 --> 01:37:46,171 [Banks] But I mean, for them, it's more just the experience gaining, surely. 1505 01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:48,063 [Devilwalk] No, I think so. 1506 01:37:49,527 --> 01:37:52,655 [Devilwalk] You know, it's probably just an opportunity for them. 1507 01:37:52,796 --> 01:38:00,177 [Devilwalk] You know, they even picked up a map against 3D Max, which we should probably say is impressive to kind of bounce back from NRG loss there. 1508 01:38:00,158 --> 01:38:06,953 [Devilwalk] into picking up the first map, making it close even on the third map of Ancient, bring it to overtime. 1509 01:38:00,512 --> 01:38:00,873 [Banks] Yeah. 1510 01:38:00,894 --> 01:38:18,505 [Banks] 100%. 1511 01:38:07,014 --> 01:38:17,779 [Devilwalk] So even though they went 0-3, I think there's more positives to take from it than negatives for them. 1512 01:38:17,759 --> 01:38:21,252 [Devilwalk] I don't think anyone expected them to make a run towards playoff. 1513 01:38:21,742 --> 01:38:22,118 [Banks] No. 1514 01:38:22,417 --> 01:38:26,030 [Devilwalk] As you said, it was just to gather experience and kind of move on. 1515 01:38:26,432 --> 01:38:26,793 [Banks] Yeah. 1516 01:38:27,515 --> 01:38:30,579 [Banks] Next, we'll stay with the Americas because sadly NRG also went out. 1517 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,305 [Banks] We were both a bit more positive about NRG, right? 1518 01:38:33,324 --> 01:38:38,172 [Banks] And especially the fact they would have had some time since Rotterdam to get Grimm into some better positions. 1519 01:38:38,292 --> 01:38:40,095 [Banks] I'll be honest, I didn't watch any of the NRG games. 1520 01:38:40,136 --> 01:38:42,380 [Banks] I was very limited on my time of doing this stuff. 1521 01:38:42,420 --> 01:38:44,002 [Banks] But like, they beat... 1522 01:38:43,983 --> 01:38:45,908 [Banks] the domestic matchup in Voca. 1523 01:38:46,248 --> 01:38:47,030 [Banks] They lost to Foot. 1524 01:38:47,271 --> 01:38:48,113 [Banks] They lost to Eyeballers. 1525 01:38:48,134 --> 01:38:48,876 [Banks] They lost to Legacy. 1526 01:38:48,916 --> 01:38:52,284 [Banks] The problem I have here is not getting maps. 1527 01:38:52,586 --> 01:38:55,393 [Banks] And obviously, they got absolutely destroyed by Foot. 1528 01:38:55,372 --> 01:39:02,292 [Banks] then it was at least closer on the first map of Nuke against Eyeballers, but Eyeballers has a lot of positives to say. 1529 01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:56,948 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 1530 01:39:02,332 --> 01:39:04,739 [Banks] And then Legacy kind of ran them over as well. 1531 01:39:04,779 --> 01:39:10,497 [Banks] And it's like... Well, the thing is, I put Legacy a lot higher... 1532 01:39:05,261 --> 01:39:18,529 [Devilwalk] Yeah, that's the scary part, because they looked competitive before Grim was added, and now it's like they've almost lost a little bit of their charm, weirdly enough. 1533 01:39:17,497 --> 01:39:35,337 [Banks] yeah but would you not put still legacy like quite a way above them like i'm not gonna hold it against them i would have just liked to have seen them they didn't even need to win a map for me they just needed to have some fight in them because you should know playing in the america's region 1534 01:39:35,417 --> 01:39:37,581 [Banks] what it's like to play against some of the South American teams. 1535 01:39:39,113 --> 01:39:41,978 [Devilwalk] Yes, I mean, it's a weird one. 1536 01:39:42,158 --> 01:39:45,203 [Devilwalk] I was quite disappointed by NRG, I'll be honest. 1537 01:39:45,422 --> 01:39:49,909 [Devilwalk] I fought a few tournaments back even before they added Grim. 1538 01:39:50,171 --> 01:39:52,373 [Devilwalk] I thought I saw some potential in them there. 1539 01:39:52,935 --> 01:39:57,122 [Devilwalk] Obviously, adding Grim should, on paper, give them... 1540 01:39:57,101 --> 01:40:14,789 [Devilwalk] more experience it should give them more firepower it should kind of give them at least a chance against some of these teams um but it's as you say like picking up five rounds against foot picking up 12 rounds against legacy um 1541 01:40:14,028 --> 01:40:28,439 [Banks] Yep. 1542 01:40:16,171 --> 01:40:17,654 [Devilwalk] It's too uneven. 1543 01:40:17,715 --> 01:40:19,940 [Devilwalk] It's not consistent with their performances. 1544 01:40:20,020 --> 01:40:27,279 [Devilwalk] Because even if they're playing close against eyeballers, the next game they need to be able to make a map competitive. 1545 01:40:27,301 --> 01:40:29,587 [Devilwalk] At the very least. 1546 01:40:30,304 --> 01:40:30,465 [Banks] Yeah. 1547 01:40:30,309 --> 01:40:31,631 [Devilwalk] And that's... 1548 01:40:30,484 --> 01:40:30,585 [Banks] Yeah. 1549 01:40:32,707 --> 01:40:36,317 [Devilwalk] Yeah, they haven't really gotten Grim into working. 1550 01:40:37,230 --> 01:40:44,011 [Banks] I'll give them on the beginning of after the major cycle of how well they can make things happen. 1551 01:40:44,311 --> 01:40:48,625 [Banks] For me, it'll give them enough time to actually see 1552 01:40:45,019 --> 01:40:45,198 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1553 01:40:48,604 --> 01:41:03,238 [Banks] how into everything he is um they didn't make the major right nrg well they did make the major i bro i'm still so lost on who's in the major let me just look again i want to make sure i'm not spitting any non-correct facts in here 1554 01:41:01,699 --> 01:41:03,020 [Devilwalk] Sure they made it. 1555 01:41:04,770 --> 01:41:05,854 [Banks] Oh, NRG is the major. 1556 01:41:05,873 --> 01:41:06,837 [Banks] Okay, they made it through the Americas. 1557 01:41:07,177 --> 01:41:10,887 [Banks] So obviously stage one is a lot of South American teams. 1558 01:41:11,449 --> 01:41:16,063 [Banks] I would expect NRG maybe not to guarantee make it stage two. 1559 01:41:16,042 --> 01:41:17,225 [Banks] but have a fighting chance. 1560 01:41:17,286 --> 01:41:19,851 [Banks] That's what I want to see then, because that's now two months away from now. 1561 01:41:20,212 --> 01:41:31,420 [Banks] So me evaluating where they're at now with Grim just coming in and Grim's supposed to be this upgrade, like you mentioned, then potentially of losing some of that momentum with obviously changing player. 1562 01:41:29,408 --> 01:41:47,382 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I'd agree with that assessment. 1563 01:41:31,399 --> 01:41:33,305 [Banks] Cologne has to be where we see them punch forward. 1564 01:41:33,326 --> 01:41:37,559 [Banks] Because remember, they did pretty okay at Budapest considering they were playing with a bloody coach. 1565 01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:41,851 [Banks] So I'm going to hold them to some higher standards coming into that, you know? 1566 01:41:42,172 --> 01:41:44,340 [Banks] And it's an important one for them. 1567 01:41:44,359 --> 01:41:45,122 [Banks] That's how I look at it. 1568 01:41:48,393 --> 01:41:49,916 [Banks] All right, next is Inner Circle. 1569 01:41:50,556 --> 01:41:51,337 [Banks] Do you know what? 1570 01:41:51,838 --> 01:41:54,543 [Banks] Inner Circle and NiP, just rewind. 1571 01:41:54,765 --> 01:41:58,251 [Banks] Give Ken back to Inner Circle, who were on the rise with Ken, yeah? 1572 01:41:57,421 --> 01:42:01,372 [Devilwalk] you 1573 01:41:58,792 --> 01:42:01,556 [Banks] And change everything, because Ken's not having any success. 1574 01:42:01,717 --> 01:42:02,939 [Banks] Inner Circle's not having any success. 1575 01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,726 [Banks] Their one game win, like, okay, you took a map from Foot, was the opening game. 1576 01:42:06,827 --> 01:42:08,409 [Banks] You took a map from Legacy. 1577 01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:27,613 [Banks] you got too old by bait and then your only win was against the phase that probably would have beaten you had their major dreams not been ended so rewind the clock go go backwards resource not 1578 01:42:16,068 --> 01:42:16,948 [Devilwalk] Yeah, it's not great. 1579 01:42:20,533 --> 01:42:27,322 [Devilwalk] Even though they beat FaZe, I'm not sure you're supposed to see that as an achievement in this year. 1580 01:42:29,345 --> 01:42:35,932 [Devilwalk] So, yeah, it's kind of bad, yeah. 1581 01:42:32,167 --> 01:42:33,050 [Banks] It's very different now. 1582 01:42:33,712 --> 01:42:34,515 [Banks] It's very different. 1583 01:42:37,023 --> 01:42:39,752 [Banks] Now, BC game, we can definitely have a conversation about though, mate. 1584 01:42:37,414 --> 01:42:41,146 [Devilwalk] Um, yeah. 1585 01:42:40,815 --> 01:42:43,323 [Banks] You can get Mongols in the opening game, yeah? 1586 01:42:44,704 --> 01:42:46,188 [Banks] You picked us too. 1587 01:42:46,448 --> 01:42:50,997 [Banks] You hear from Taz that I need more time to be together as a team, take that time. 1588 01:42:51,337 --> 01:42:58,332 [Banks] And I really like the Taz addition to this version of BC game and what he can bring and what he can help with. 1589 01:42:59,555 --> 01:43:02,039 [Banks] But I mean, this was diabolical. 1590 01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:03,101 [Banks] Like... 1591 01:43:05,073 --> 01:43:10,510 [Devilwalk] But, I mean... 1592 01:43:05,225 --> 01:43:25,242 [Banks] simple was only performing some of the time like it's not he is no longer the greatest player of all time he was in csgo that's what he can have right he was in csgo but i mean i've sat there as someone who i like him as a person as a friend as like someone i spent so much time with during that rise 1593 01:43:25,221 --> 01:43:29,068 [Banks] And I would agree, he's got phenomenal skills. 1594 01:43:29,269 --> 01:43:30,671 [Banks] We saw him grinding again. 1595 01:43:30,730 --> 01:43:32,634 [Banks] We saw his face at games go up and stuff. 1596 01:43:33,055 --> 01:43:34,077 [Banks] But this ain't working. 1597 01:43:34,898 --> 01:43:37,542 [Banks] This is like, he's not that same person anymore. 1598 01:43:37,563 --> 01:43:39,265 [Banks] And we've gone away from it. 1599 01:43:39,286 --> 01:43:43,752 [Banks] I think Stryker put this probably the most beautifully I heard it, was like that... 1600 01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:47,939 [Banks] Because he's not solo carrying games, and I am paraphrasing here, yeah? 1601 01:43:48,521 --> 01:43:50,813 [Banks] He now is not even enjoyable for some people to play with. 1602 01:43:50,832 --> 01:43:52,140 [Banks] People don't want to play with him. 1603 01:43:52,542 --> 01:43:53,283 [Banks] And that's a saying. 1604 01:43:54,025 --> 01:43:56,653 [Banks] It was such up and down performances from them. 1605 01:43:56,672 --> 01:43:59,059 [Banks] They lost to MIBR, which I think is unacceptable. 1606 01:43:59,420 --> 01:44:02,046 [Banks] They beat VOCA, but still dropped a map there. 1607 01:44:02,467 --> 01:44:03,931 [Banks] And they lost 2-0 to Focus. 1608 01:44:03,992 --> 01:44:05,537 [Banks] Obviously, Focus is quite an interesting team. 1609 01:44:05,957 --> 01:44:08,002 [Banks] It's like a new age team coming up as well. 1610 01:44:07,762 --> 01:44:09,547 [Devilwalk] I even predicted them to get playoff. 1611 01:44:10,362 --> 01:44:12,711 [Banks] I predicted BC getting to get playoffs, sadly. 1612 01:44:12,716 --> 01:44:14,320 [Devilwalk] No, I meant focus this time. 1613 01:44:12,751 --> 01:44:15,300 [Banks] Oh, okay, okay, okay. 1614 01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:17,266 [Banks] I thought we were just throwing shade at my... 1615 01:44:15,685 --> 01:44:16,686 [Devilwalk] And not BC game. 1616 01:44:16,726 --> 01:44:19,494 [Devilwalk] That kind of insanity is... 1617 01:44:18,091 --> 01:44:28,993 [Banks] Hey, that was my wild Hail Mary play of like, yeah, S1mple can somehow do it again, especially because the field of Bucharest was quite weak that I thought there was potential. 1618 01:44:29,014 --> 01:44:30,277 [Banks] But yeah, do you know what? 1619 01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:37,405 [Devilwalk] I mean, I could have had the perfect prediction if I just got like focus. 1620 01:44:30,317 --> 01:44:31,779 [Banks] Like, they're done. 1621 01:44:39,170 --> 01:44:40,252 [Devilwalk] No, maybe I couldn't have. 1622 01:44:42,115 --> 01:44:45,582 [Devilwalk] Actually, well, I wanted legacy to beat bait. 1623 01:44:46,204 --> 01:44:46,614 [Banks] Okay. 1624 01:44:47,234 --> 01:45:06,811 [Devilwalk] And Focus got matched up against Eyeballer, so it was a little bit unlucky there. 1625 01:44:50,979 --> 01:44:53,144 [Banks] Yeah, that's just the way it goes. 1626 01:44:53,224 --> 01:44:54,947 [Banks] You know, we didn't do simulation for this one. 1627 01:44:55,387 --> 01:45:00,497 [Banks] But I mean, for me, already the rumors are out that two players will be kicked from BC game. 1628 01:45:00,858 --> 01:45:06,047 [Banks] People are just straight away, by the way, saying like it will be Aragorn and crazy, like they'll keep Mutiris. 1629 01:45:06,448 --> 01:45:09,715 [Banks] But I think it's 100% Mutiris is going to end up being kicked and someone else. 1630 01:45:11,787 --> 01:45:31,314 [Banks] like they'll kick the igl oh you did you read it you say what i'm thinking about yeah here i'm not the igl i'm no here i'm the eyes i'm not the captain 1631 01:45:11,904 --> 01:45:12,747 [Devilwalk] It probably is. 1632 01:45:12,886 --> 01:45:19,663 [Devilwalk] I mean, it's evident that they don't really match up in their line of thinking. 1633 01:45:20,324 --> 01:45:25,537 [Devilwalk] This has been even kind of revealed in interviews that Materious has made. 1634 01:45:25,557 --> 01:45:30,048 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1635 01:45:31,547 --> 01:45:33,333 [Devilwalk] That's a prime example. 1636 01:45:33,454 --> 01:45:40,899 [Devilwalk] I mean, it's like you're going to need an emotional captain if you're going to 1637 01:45:35,074 --> 01:45:52,645 [Banks] That's rough. 1638 01:45:42,212 --> 01:46:00,407 [Devilwalk] kind of get simple in and rolling and believing and not because there's going to be comparably to any other player in the world probably having simple in the team is going to have more ups and downs in your team's mood than probably any other player 1639 01:46:00,386 --> 01:46:09,242 [Devilwalk] Therefore, having an emotional leader, someone we talk about like Apex or Kerrigan who are really, really good, those are obviously elite examples. 1640 01:46:00,690 --> 01:46:18,831 [Banks] Yep. 1641 01:46:09,622 --> 01:46:18,918 [Devilwalk] But having someone that at least has a grain of those attributes is very, very important for a team that has Simple on it. 1642 01:46:18,850 --> 01:46:18,931 [Banks] Yep. 1643 01:46:18,899 --> 01:46:36,637 [Devilwalk] so I think he kind of shot himself in the foot by even mentioning that or even saying that yeah but I 1644 01:46:18,952 --> 01:46:19,171 [Banks] Yeah. 1645 01:46:27,944 --> 01:46:30,313 [Banks] It's probably he was in the emotional state though, right? 1646 01:46:30,453 --> 01:46:32,300 [Banks] When he was given that interview like it was. 1647 01:46:34,328 --> 01:46:34,569 [Banks] Yeah. 1648 01:46:35,974 --> 01:46:37,600 [Banks] And also... 1649 01:46:37,934 --> 01:46:53,243 [Banks] i was gonna say just but that they also bc game are gonna throw stupid money at this and people you know there's that thing that came out that like simple tweeted no way dummies believe that i have 120k per per month it's not even half of this 1650 01:46:38,103 --> 01:46:39,118 [Devilwalk] I agree with you, though. 1651 01:46:53,222 --> 01:46:59,908 [Banks] For him to be on 120K a month, he'd have to be streaming and also spinning on BC Game on their casino or whatever at the same time. 1652 01:47:00,817 --> 01:47:07,317 [Devilwalk] didn't also bc games like ceo hint on like magisk is not going to mouse boards 1653 01:47:06,604 --> 01:47:19,770 [Banks] yeah yeah yeah and like he made they made approaches to dong to see if there was a number like they are willing to buy and take anything they can get right to try and make this work but 1654 01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:26,989 [Banks] What is concerning is that it doesn't seem like simple and electronic are a pull for many players to be like, yeah, I want to play on that team. 1655 01:47:27,850 --> 01:47:28,813 [Banks] It's not 2022 anymore. 1656 01:47:28,912 --> 01:47:29,713 [Banks] It's not 2021. 1657 01:47:31,056 --> 01:47:31,318 [Devilwalk] Nope. 1658 01:47:31,356 --> 01:47:32,738 [Banks] It's a long way from now. 1659 01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:40,557 [Devilwalk] And I don't think his kind of marketing period that Electronic had in VP does them any good either. 1660 01:47:38,087 --> 01:47:39,007 [Banks] Well, that suffered. 1661 01:47:40,899 --> 01:47:48,576 [Devilwalk] Because, yeah, it doesn't look like a foot family friendly environment. 1662 01:47:41,113 --> 01:47:42,143 [Banks] The shouting up players. 1663 01:47:44,987 --> 01:47:45,369 [Banks] Yeah. 1664 01:47:50,176 --> 01:48:03,645 [Banks] of course you have to do that yeah it's no it's not it's not unlike imagine even if you are maybe a young ukrainian eastern european player who really wants like a desperate jump up in your career 1665 01:48:05,025 --> 01:48:12,605 [Banks] Sure, maybe you might think about going for it because it's simple, but I can't imagine many others agreeing to go into that right now. 1666 01:48:14,493 --> 01:48:21,573 [Devilwalk] No, I mean, it's... I mean, I don't think it's not only from like a player's perspective. 1667 01:48:21,814 --> 01:48:28,654 [Devilwalk] I think it's like even viewed from a coach's perspective sounds like... 1668 01:48:28,634 --> 01:48:39,019 [Devilwalk] You know, some jobs you can get by by you enjoy the people you work with, you enjoy like the environment and the fun that you have on the journey. 1669 01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:40,703 [Devilwalk] I don't really see 1670 01:48:42,067 --> 01:48:45,592 [Devilwalk] if I would jump into that project, that I will have those feelings. 1671 01:48:46,082 --> 01:48:46,509 [Banks] Yeah. 1672 01:48:46,814 --> 01:48:49,680 [Devilwalk] Um, like it's a growth day by day kind of vibe. 1673 01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:56,532 [Devilwalk] It's, it's kind of what the negative parts about what longs mentioned in the pod, um, earlier where. 1674 01:48:58,417 --> 01:49:02,426 [Devilwalk] It's pressure to win now, now, now, now, now, get things done now, now, now, now, now. 1675 01:49:03,146 --> 01:49:08,256 [Devilwalk] And is that really an environment you want to be in? 1676 01:49:08,296 --> 01:49:13,067 [Devilwalk] Because that also means there's consequences for not bringing it now, now, now. 1677 01:49:12,442 --> 01:49:12,743 [Banks] Yeah. 1678 01:49:14,288 --> 01:49:15,771 [Devilwalk] And I think that scares people. 1679 01:49:14,375 --> 01:49:19,025 [Banks] And if you're not given enough time, you know, look how many times we say... 1680 01:49:16,332 --> 01:49:18,317 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I think that scares people. 1681 01:49:19,934 --> 01:49:39,529 [Banks] orgs teams players are not given enough time to build something for the long term to actually lift the trophies they want to lift we have seen so many team changes happen where you would 100 argue that it wasn't that player's fault and they're just doing it because they need your reaction to something and that's a that's a big problem 1682 01:49:28,168 --> 01:49:28,478 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1683 01:49:40,117 --> 01:49:42,823 [Banks] But let's see, they tried to buy their VRS points. 1684 01:49:43,024 --> 01:49:46,372 [Banks] If they need to buy three more players to make some other VRS points, good luck to them. 1685 01:49:46,391 --> 01:49:50,280 [Banks] But our next team I'm going to talk about, Focus, is even higher than them on the VRS right now. 1686 01:49:51,224 --> 01:49:53,509 [Banks] PC game is 70th, Focus is 26th. 1687 01:49:54,350 --> 01:49:57,297 [Banks] Focus beat 3D Max in the opening game. 1688 01:49:57,278 --> 01:49:58,341 [Banks] I did lose to PowerVision. 1689 01:49:58,381 --> 01:50:00,527 [Banks] The wildcard loss is not great either. 1690 01:50:02,591 --> 01:50:05,158 [Banks] Then they beat BC Game and then they lost to Eyeballers. 1691 01:50:06,020 --> 01:50:11,054 [Devilwalk] But this is an incredibly young team with some interesting pieces. 1692 01:50:06,202 --> 01:50:07,524 [Banks] But it is an interesting team. 1693 01:50:11,615 --> 01:50:18,375 [Devilwalk] For me, what kind of, like why I even predicted them in the first play, obviously they went to a LAN and they won it, right? 1694 01:50:18,337 --> 01:50:35,065 [Banks] Yeah. 1695 01:50:18,354 --> 01:50:21,702 [Devilwalk] They want some qualifiers to even be in this position. 1696 01:50:21,762 --> 01:50:35,131 [Devilwalk] But for me, I think one of the hardest matchups I've ever experienced where I kind of know it's the coach who has had impact. 1697 01:50:35,086 --> 01:50:35,166 [Banks] Yep. 1698 01:50:35,112 --> 01:50:47,399 [Devilwalk] cuban is one of those coaches like it's one of the toughest coaches i've played against in terms of mind games in terms of prep work uh where i've kind of felt like oh he he had me 1699 01:50:47,380 --> 01:51:03,481 [Devilwalk] in this one so I believe in Cuban a lot as a coach I think he did wonders in that Norwegian org what were they called Apex thank you 1700 01:50:47,869 --> 01:51:04,173 [Banks] Apex. 1701 01:51:03,462 --> 01:51:05,487 [Devilwalk] I think he did wonders there. 1702 01:51:05,887 --> 01:51:12,762 [Devilwalk] I'm surprised it has taken him kind of this long to get a project going. 1703 01:51:10,313 --> 01:51:11,582 [Banks] I'll explain to you why. 1704 01:51:12,802 --> 01:51:14,367 [Devilwalk] Was it ENCE he went to or? 1705 01:51:14,092 --> 01:51:15,354 [Banks] Yeah, but I'll tell you why. 1706 01:51:15,416 --> 01:51:16,717 [Banks] People are stupid. 1707 01:51:16,877 --> 01:51:20,585 [Banks] People underestimate Cuban's ability so much. 1708 01:51:20,645 --> 01:51:22,548 [Banks] He is one of the most underrated coaches. 1709 01:51:22,649 --> 01:51:23,851 [Banks] And I'll say this about Cuban. 1710 01:51:23,729 --> 01:51:24,525 [Devilwalk] 100%. 1711 01:51:23,992 --> 01:51:26,577 [Banks] I know him personally as a friend. 1712 01:51:27,538 --> 01:51:31,966 [Banks] When I spoke to him at JL's wedding, I've said this publicly before. 1713 01:51:32,722 --> 01:51:37,755 [Banks] He's got a very harsh way of dealing with players and a specific mindset on how he views the game. 1714 01:51:38,195 --> 01:51:44,050 [Banks] It is a good mindset, but if people don't buy into it or the players don't work with it or the organization, like, 1715 01:51:44,029 --> 01:51:46,234 [Banks] doesn't give it a time, he's not going to succeed. 1716 01:51:46,614 --> 01:51:58,417 [Banks] But his history after working with VP, you know, when he finishes playing days, everything he's done as a coach, if I look at Mad Lions onwards, so Mad Lions, they had success. 1717 01:51:58,457 --> 01:52:04,046 [Banks] They grinded the rankings, even competing at some of the partner leagues where you had to get open qualifier spots, yeah? 1718 01:52:04,027 --> 01:52:22,591 [Banks] did the same on Apex plus leading them to a major was doing great work at ENCE but then for some reason they didn't agree on things and obviously Cuban is mature enough to just say okay you don't believe in it I'll step away he's done this time and time again but if you get players that believe in him and an organization that believes in his vision and way of doing things 1719 01:52:04,650 --> 01:52:04,911 [Devilwalk] Nope. 1720 01:52:22,572 --> 01:52:25,658 [Banks] you will get winners, and you will get players that can perform. 1721 01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:37,746 [Banks] And like, ZTR and Volt are known quantities, but you've got Banjo, Jorko, Mafios, all of these guys will be able to flourish and thrive under him, for sure. 1722 01:52:37,725 --> 01:52:55,701 [Banks] think i think obviously jail had blade next as his coach right which is a huge one but cuban did wonders for jail like took him from mad lions to apex that got him the call up to navi and they had such a good relationship and jail was able to and obviously again it's both eastern european mentality but they were able to 1723 01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:58,130 [Banks] put that together and harness that on moving forward. 1724 01:52:58,631 --> 01:53:02,185 [Banks] Some players have to stop being so soft and so weak. 1725 01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:07,564 [Banks] Looking at our side of the pond, our Eastern, our Western Europe. 1726 01:53:04,304 --> 01:53:06,989 [Devilwalk] No, but I agree. 1727 01:53:07,170 --> 01:53:09,796 [Devilwalk] I think Cuban is one of the most underrated coaches out there. 1728 01:53:09,895 --> 01:53:14,185 [Devilwalk] I think he's absolutely elite. 1729 01:53:14,564 --> 01:53:17,712 [Devilwalk] It's a guy that you just need to buy into his system. 1730 01:53:18,914 --> 01:53:20,557 [Devilwalk] But I think that if there's... 1731 01:53:20,537 --> 01:53:35,306 [Devilwalk] there's like a few coaches that work in the way that you know cuban blade like very systematic strategic they will find consistency for your team i think cuban is in that category i think it's 1732 01:53:29,701 --> 01:53:41,757 [Banks] Yep. 1733 01:53:36,755 --> 01:53:41,350 [Devilwalk] like almost unbelievably underrated. 1734 01:53:41,371 --> 01:53:42,916 [Devilwalk] But Focus, very interesting team. 1735 01:53:41,778 --> 01:53:42,137 [Banks] Fully. 1736 01:53:43,457 --> 01:53:45,645 [Devilwalk] I am looking forward to see what they got going. 1737 01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,344 [Banks] Definitely. 1738 01:53:46,363 --> 01:53:47,225 [Banks] You nearly hit the jackpot. 1739 01:53:47,244 --> 01:53:48,627 [Banks] We're getting them through the playoffs as well. 1740 01:53:48,667 --> 01:53:49,448 [Banks] Nearly. 1741 01:53:49,658 --> 01:53:49,819 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1742 01:53:49,951 --> 01:53:54,801 [Banks] Legacy, now this is the team, Devwalk, that disappointed me. 1743 01:53:55,042 --> 01:54:02,356 [Banks] This is where the disappointment starts because FaZe is one thing, but I had higher hopes in this field of teams against Legacy. 1744 01:54:02,337 --> 01:54:04,704 [Banks] You lost to ParaVision, nothing wrong with that. 1745 01:54:04,945 --> 01:54:09,460 [Banks] You beat Inner Circle, okay, you dropped a map, but I'll accept it because Legacy always drop a map, right? 1746 01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:10,404 [Banks] It's their style of play. 1747 01:54:10,944 --> 01:54:12,971 [Banks] You lose to MIBR, man. 1748 01:54:12,952 --> 01:54:17,560 [Banks] I'm not underrating MIBR, but Klim is... I still don't believe in this Klim guy, by the way. 1749 01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:18,942 [Banks] I'm still waiting for this fallout. 1750 01:54:20,283 --> 01:54:21,806 [Banks] MIBR needs to cycle in a new player. 1751 01:54:21,827 --> 01:54:28,698 [Banks] People are going to cook me for saying that because they're just going to look at numbers, but I'm not sold on him as being this wow breakout player for it. 1752 01:54:29,019 --> 01:54:31,483 [Banks] You shouldn't be losing to MIBR. 1753 01:54:31,462 --> 01:54:32,567 [Banks] Then you beat NRG. 1754 01:54:32,927 --> 01:54:35,657 [Banks] Okay, that's... It's nothing to shout home about. 1755 01:54:36,198 --> 01:54:38,386 [Banks] And then you lose to Bait without taking a map. 1756 01:54:38,426 --> 01:54:39,791 [Banks] And you did kind of get rolled on. 1757 01:54:39,872 --> 01:54:42,701 [Banks] And even Sizzy was performing really well there at the same time. 1758 01:54:42,740 --> 01:54:44,105 [Banks] Like, for me... 1759 01:54:44,710 --> 01:54:50,445 [Banks] I'm not going to take this one event and be harsh on Legacy, but this wasn't good enough. 1760 01:54:49,029 --> 01:54:49,274 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 1761 01:54:50,886 --> 01:54:53,134 [Banks] This was way beneath. 1762 01:54:53,855 --> 01:54:55,380 [Banks] For me, it was a must playoffs. 1763 01:54:55,881 --> 01:54:57,064 [Banks] A must playoffs. 1764 01:54:58,530 --> 01:55:00,917 [Devilwalk] I mean, to some extent I agree with you. 1765 01:54:58,609 --> 01:54:58,989 [Banks] And 1766 01:55:00,938 --> 01:55:09,721 [Devilwalk] I just have this view of Legacy where we're never, ever, ever going to see them be consistent. 1767 01:55:09,702 --> 01:55:29,431 [Devilwalk] um and that's gonna be blimps and bumps with tournaments where they lose but eventually you know they wake up on the right side of the bed and they're gonna destroy everyone uh so i just have that view of legacy uh 1768 01:55:18,207 --> 01:55:29,819 [Banks] Yeah I know what you're saying I get it 1769 01:55:29,412 --> 01:55:32,036 [Devilwalk] Still disappointing as a tournament as a whole. 1770 01:55:32,216 --> 01:55:33,338 [Devilwalk] Like, I agree with you there. 1771 01:55:33,519 --> 01:55:35,100 [Devilwalk] I think they should be making playoff. 1772 01:55:35,221 --> 01:55:36,703 [Devilwalk] I predict them to make playoff. 1773 01:55:36,724 --> 01:55:38,527 [Devilwalk] And they fell out short. 1774 01:55:38,606 --> 01:55:47,381 [Devilwalk] And it's, you know, that MIBR loss is probably the one that is going to haunt them a little bit more than the others. 1775 01:55:47,402 --> 01:55:49,345 [Devilwalk] I feel like this is, you know... 1776 01:55:48,143 --> 01:55:57,639 [Banks] Kind of wilder. 1777 01:55:51,872 --> 01:55:56,364 [Devilwalk] you know, a Swede comes in and brings MIBR glory, it's... 1778 01:55:57,679 --> 01:56:03,689 [Banks] Domestic one. 1779 01:55:58,672 --> 01:56:11,777 [Devilwalk] But it's such a grudge match match up, domestic match up, that they obviously want to win that one and they obviously want to be perceived as one of the better Brazilian teams. 1780 01:56:03,708 --> 01:56:04,009 [Banks] Yeah. 1781 01:56:14,381 --> 01:56:16,125 [Devilwalk] So yeah, that one will sting. 1782 01:56:16,104 --> 01:56:28,747 [Devilwalk] like bait I'm kind of re-evaluating bait a little bit I feel like they have picked up something so it's not that bad of a loss yeah 1783 01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:26,443 [Banks] Hmm. 1784 01:56:26,462 --> 01:56:29,167 [Banks] We'll come on to that after we're not we're not ready for the bait talk. 1785 01:56:29,469 --> 01:56:30,731 [Banks] We're not ready for the bait talk yet. 1786 01:56:30,752 --> 01:56:34,458 [Banks] But I, I just think the legacy should be way above what we saw there. 1787 01:56:34,639 --> 01:56:37,545 [Banks] And it's just we'll wait and see what future events hold for them. 1788 01:56:35,949 --> 01:56:40,931 [Devilwalk] They should definitely be punching in the 3-1 mark overall in this tournament. 1789 01:56:39,207 --> 01:56:39,649 [Banks] Yeah. 1790 01:56:41,435 --> 01:56:42,516 [Banks] Yeah, definitely. 1791 01:56:43,818 --> 01:56:44,800 [Banks] Wildcard next. 1792 01:56:45,461 --> 01:56:50,828 [Banks] Wildcard find themselves losing to Bait, beating Focus, which was a legit win, right? 1793 01:56:50,847 --> 01:56:52,970 [Banks] But then losing to Mongols and PowerVision 2.0. 1794 01:56:53,011 --> 01:56:58,458 [Banks] I don't think there's anything wrong with losing to Mongols and PowerVision 2.0 and at least being somewhat competitive, right? 1795 01:56:58,519 --> 01:57:01,283 [Banks] Did you see the crazy Mirage overtime? 1796 01:57:01,734 --> 01:57:02,515 [Devilwalk] I... 1797 01:57:02,005 --> 01:57:05,443 [Banks] I actually didn't watch the second map because the first map was so long. 1798 01:57:05,542 --> 01:57:08,961 [Banks] I had a limited window where I could do something. 1799 01:57:09,076 --> 01:57:13,645 [Banks] And then I looked at this and went, well, you know, I guess I'm only watching Mirage. 1800 01:57:13,945 --> 01:57:14,927 [Banks] It was 28-26. 1801 01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:20,699 [Banks] It was embarrassing for PowerVision, I'll be honest, to let it go like that. 1802 01:57:21,201 --> 01:57:26,872 [Banks] But I mean, it's just some... I thought once it goes to overtime, PowerVision will just win. 1803 01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:25,347 [Devilwalk] It's... 1804 01:57:27,193 --> 01:57:28,536 [Banks] Instead, we just kept going. 1805 01:57:29,106 --> 01:57:35,137 [Devilwalk] But it's a weird team to kind of evaluate their... Because they obviously end up in the 2-3 bracket. 1806 01:57:35,439 --> 01:57:37,523 [Devilwalk] But that's where the default win versus phase. 1807 01:57:38,243 --> 01:57:40,427 [Devilwalk] That's where their second win comes up in. 1808 01:57:40,448 --> 01:57:45,056 [Devilwalk] And they play some really close games against some really good opponents. 1809 01:57:45,037 --> 01:57:47,984 [Devilwalk] I mean, even if you look at the Bates one, it was pretty decent. 1810 01:57:48,005 --> 01:57:50,872 [Devilwalk] You look at the Mongols one, 13-11, 13-8. 1811 01:57:52,395 --> 01:57:56,667 [Devilwalk] And obviously the Paravision one, 28-26, 13-11. 1812 01:57:56,646 --> 01:58:00,713 [Devilwalk] They're competitive, but they still only really picked up one win. 1813 01:57:57,153 --> 01:57:57,613 [Banks] Mm hmm. 1814 01:58:02,417 --> 01:58:05,743 [Devilwalk] But I think overall interesting lineup. 1815 01:58:06,082 --> 01:58:08,046 [Devilwalk] It's kind of a European American mix. 1816 01:58:09,047 --> 01:58:13,034 [Devilwalk] Hex being in there, someone I kind of felt like 1817 01:58:13,015 --> 01:58:27,176 [Devilwalk] almost got robbed of a spot in M80 I thought he did good in that team obviously a big talent like JB came out and they just had to pounce but I still don't think you know 1818 01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:25,944 [Banks] It made sense. 1819 01:58:27,157 --> 01:58:31,689 [Devilwalk] I think Hext kind of deserved a spot in how well they played in that team. 1820 01:58:31,748 --> 01:58:35,899 [Devilwalk] So it's good to see him kind of back in a big tournament. 1821 01:58:36,601 --> 01:58:40,591 [Devilwalk] And it's cool to see, you know, this... 1822 01:58:40,572 --> 01:58:59,323 [Devilwalk] x what is it para vision igl of uh namanya uh oh serotonacity not uh para vision but you played a very annoying style i remember them greatly there was a lot of clashes with the b and e in the days 1823 01:58:47,002 --> 01:58:47,377 [Banks] Yeah. 1824 01:58:59,725 --> 01:59:01,792 [Banks] And he's been grinding a lot, right? 1825 01:59:01,447 --> 01:59:19,756 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1826 01:59:01,953 --> 01:59:05,364 [Banks] He's had, I don't know what teams, but I just remember hearing his name for a long time. 1827 01:59:05,404 --> 01:59:07,673 [Banks] He said four years on zero tenacity. 1828 01:59:07,694 --> 01:59:10,342 [Banks] He had that I will stint as well before this. 1829 01:59:10,323 --> 01:59:12,105 [Banks] So he just plays a lot. 1830 01:59:12,126 --> 01:59:12,987 [Banks] He's an active guy. 1831 01:59:13,387 --> 01:59:15,411 [Banks] He's definitely trying to grind his way through on it. 1832 01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:16,472 [Banks] So it could be a shot for him. 1833 01:59:17,234 --> 01:59:18,376 [Banks] I know he's enjoying it at least. 1834 01:59:19,777 --> 01:59:19,877 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1835 01:59:20,097 --> 01:59:25,966 [Banks] But my expectations, I think like this is probably, I would expect him in this category, you know? 1836 01:59:26,006 --> 01:59:27,689 [Banks] This is not like, 1837 01:59:26,590 --> 01:59:29,256 [Devilwalk] I kind of feel like it's almost reverse for me. 1838 01:59:29,336 --> 01:59:34,567 [Devilwalk] I felt like NRG probably should have been more in the wildcard category and the reverse. 1839 01:59:34,646 --> 01:59:40,498 [Devilwalk] I feel like wildcard kind of overproduced, overperformed to some sense. 1840 01:59:37,963 --> 01:59:38,630 [Banks] Overbeformed. 1841 01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:45,408 [Devilwalk] I mean, by expectations, maybe I'm being harsh on saying overperformed. 1842 01:59:42,746 --> 01:59:42,827 [Banks] Hmm. 1843 01:59:45,389 --> 01:59:59,899 [Devilwalk] They performed really well, and I didn't expect them to perform this good against this tier of opponents so quickly. 1844 01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:54,042 [Banks] Okay. 1845 01:59:54,342 --> 01:59:54,944 [Banks] Yeah, I get it. 1846 01:59:54,984 --> 01:59:55,225 [Banks] I get it. 1847 01:59:55,246 --> 01:59:56,729 [Banks] But instead, it's only one win. 1848 01:59:56,871 --> 01:59:57,653 [Banks] So I'm thinking of three. 1849 01:59:57,712 --> 02:00:00,100 [Banks] I'm just looking at it as 3-1 when you had very tough games. 1850 01:59:59,918 --> 02:00:00,579 [Devilwalk] Yeah, yeah. 1851 02:00:00,783 --> 02:00:01,926 [Banks] It's like a good spot for him. 1852 02:00:03,891 --> 02:00:05,136 [Banks] Next is MIBR. 1853 02:00:05,891 --> 02:00:07,094 [Banks] Making playoffs is crazy. 1854 02:00:07,675 --> 02:00:10,701 [Banks] Making playoffs, and they didn't have the easiest of runs. 1855 02:00:10,902 --> 02:00:18,957 [Banks] The wins they had were Eyeballers, who also made playoffs, Legacy, who we expected to make playoffs, and BC Game, while also playing Astralis and 3D Max. 1856 02:00:18,987 --> 02:00:33,806 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1857 02:00:19,324 --> 02:00:27,297 [Banks] I think for, like, LNZ, by the way, is someone I fully think can do well on this MIBR roster compared to what we have with our kicker version, yeah? 1858 02:00:27,998 --> 02:00:30,203 [Banks] I'm still, like, in signing English, no problem. 1859 02:00:30,243 --> 02:00:34,649 [Banks] But for Venom and for BRN, like, I'm still waiting. 1860 02:00:34,630 --> 02:00:39,998 [Banks] to understand if they can really adapt to this because they're not coherent in the same way. 1861 02:00:40,059 --> 02:00:45,689 [Banks] And then Klim, I'm still down on like, he was just so overhyped. 1862 02:00:45,708 --> 02:00:46,810 [Banks] And this is nothing against him. 1863 02:00:46,831 --> 02:00:52,520 [Banks] I've said this before on a podcast, but he was so overhyped where I wasn't seeing what people were hyping up. 1864 02:00:52,501 --> 02:00:59,730 [Banks] And he can have a good rating when he's playing a lot of domestic South American teams. 1865 02:01:00,853 --> 02:01:04,117 [Banks] But he's not the solo carry player. 1866 02:01:04,557 --> 02:01:11,707 [Banks] It doesn't matter if he's 1.20, 1.10, 1.15 over and over again in all these games if you're losing everything. 1867 02:01:12,936 --> 02:01:24,010 [Devilwalk] But I also think that he's also a little bit... 1868 02:01:13,122 --> 02:01:19,420 [Banks] I don't see the same mechanical gift where he single-handedly wins you rounds. 1869 02:01:25,407 --> 02:01:32,243 [Devilwalk] let's say, poorly marketed because of what happened in Budapest with their lineup. 1870 02:01:32,363 --> 02:01:37,895 [Devilwalk] They were hyped and they looked absolutely terrible at that major. 1871 02:01:38,957 --> 02:01:39,720 [Devilwalk] And that 1872 02:01:39,176 --> 02:01:40,542 [Banks] Oh, you mean the one with kicker? 1873 02:01:40,622 --> 02:01:41,625 [Banks] Yeah, yeah. 1874 02:01:41,067 --> 02:01:44,054 [Devilwalk] Yeah, they looked really, really, really bad. 1875 02:01:44,073 --> 02:01:53,756 [Devilwalk] So I also think that kind of has shown a little bit of a bad light on him because of the terrible performances they had in that. 1876 02:01:45,136 --> 02:01:45,819 [Banks] It was terrible. 1877 02:01:50,756 --> 02:01:51,077 [Banks] Okay. 1878 02:01:53,935 --> 02:01:56,983 [Devilwalk] And we kind of have to refresh our view 1879 02:01:56,962 --> 02:02:13,689 [Devilwalk] of even him as a player because it's obviously impressive to go 3-1 in this tournament MIBR they made the major even with this kind of wonky base of players you have to say to some degree 1880 02:02:05,417 --> 02:02:05,759 [Banks] Yeah. 1881 02:02:14,532 --> 02:02:14,752 [Banks] Yep. 1882 02:02:14,716 --> 02:02:19,043 [Devilwalk] Three Brazilians, a Russian, and a Swede with a Serbian coach. 1883 02:02:19,064 --> 02:02:21,287 [Devilwalk] It's an interesting mix. 1884 02:02:22,130 --> 02:02:23,332 [Devilwalk] Let's just say that. 1885 02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:24,890 [Banks] It's so odd. 1886 02:02:25,271 --> 02:02:28,007 [Banks] When you say it like that, it doesn't even sound like a pub joke. 1887 02:02:28,028 --> 02:02:29,033 [Banks] It just sounds nuts. 1888 02:02:29,444 --> 02:02:29,703 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 1889 02:02:29,676 --> 02:02:30,682 [Banks] And the thing is... 1890 02:02:31,237 --> 02:02:44,695 [Banks] I think Letny is more than capable enough to allow LNZ now to change things, but I'm hoping they also change the way they get Klim to do things in order to allow more ability for someone like Insani to shine as well. 1891 02:02:45,783 --> 02:02:46,363 [Devilwalk] I think so. 1892 02:02:46,384 --> 02:02:53,554 [Devilwalk] I think Letney, for me, has always had a great understanding of CS. 1893 02:02:46,417 --> 02:02:49,261 [Banks] It can't be full focus of just playing around the AWPer and going, 1894 02:02:54,170 --> 02:02:55,435 [Banks] Did you ever work with him or not? 1895 02:02:57,099 --> 02:02:58,119 [Devilwalk] Did I work with him? 1896 02:02:57,542 --> 02:03:00,134 [Banks] Did he ever stand in for one of your teams or something? 1897 02:03:00,154 --> 02:03:01,800 [Banks] Because he's a standing master. 1898 02:03:02,626 --> 02:03:03,807 [Devilwalk] He might have... 1899 02:03:05,122 --> 02:03:07,145 [Devilwalk] Trial or help, but I can't remember. 1900 02:03:07,204 --> 02:03:13,756 [Devilwalk] But I do remember talking CS with him extensively for one bit. 1901 02:03:12,967 --> 02:03:25,594 [Banks] Yeah, I like him. 1902 02:03:13,916 --> 02:03:18,262 [Devilwalk] I think it was when we were in FPX or something. 1903 02:03:19,505 --> 02:03:25,054 [Devilwalk] And we were even considering having him as IGL at some point. 1904 02:03:25,033 --> 02:03:44,359 [Devilwalk] um either way he's he's great at counter-strike and he's great he has great view of counter-strike i like his view of counter-strike uh so i have no doubts that he's also an incredibly hard worker it's uh yeah you cannot fault him for that 1905 02:03:41,182 --> 02:04:00,896 [Banks] yeah now this is when we're going to change onto something so much more positive this is we're going into your neck of the woods we're going to your very soft country who had some hard counter-strike to play because just on the back of what we were saying 1906 02:03:45,823 --> 02:03:46,726 [Devilwalk] But yeah. 1907 02:03:55,775 --> 02:03:56,880 [Devilwalk] Soft country. 1908 02:04:00,877 --> 02:04:03,462 [Banks] But they did not play soft counter-strike. 1909 02:04:04,104 --> 02:04:05,506 [Banks] JW don't play that soft counter-strike. 1910 02:04:06,007 --> 02:04:07,211 [Banks] This was legit. 1911 02:04:07,411 --> 02:04:09,295 [Banks] This run was so good. 1912 02:04:09,716 --> 02:04:12,242 [Banks] And okay, people can say they lost to Mongols and Astralis. 1913 02:04:12,261 --> 02:04:14,126 [Banks] They beat Focus, MIBR, NRG. 1914 02:04:14,426 --> 02:04:16,371 [Banks] Not the hardest to make playoffs. 1915 02:04:16,350 --> 02:04:18,414 [Banks] But they beat Astralis. 1916 02:04:18,854 --> 02:04:20,077 [Banks] They did beat Astralis. 1917 02:04:20,358 --> 02:04:23,582 [Banks] They just fumbled so hard when they were at the finish line. 1918 02:04:24,664 --> 02:04:27,550 [Banks] They were up 11-4 on Ancient. 1919 02:04:27,590 --> 02:04:28,511 [Banks] That's my diabetic alarm. 1920 02:04:28,771 --> 02:04:30,395 [Banks] They were up 11-4 on Ancient. 1921 02:04:31,676 --> 02:04:33,921 [Banks] And they sadly fumbled it. 1922 02:04:34,457 --> 02:04:51,774 [Devilwalk] they could have made finals for sure 1923 02:04:35,064 --> 02:04:37,650 [Banks] That was in their hands to 2-0 Astralis. 1924 02:04:37,711 --> 02:04:42,762 [Banks] Now, JW took a lot of that himself, you know, so we couldn't close it out and they couldn't reset going into the last map. 1925 02:04:43,043 --> 02:04:47,273 [Banks] So they didn't actually beat Astralis, but this could have been one of those epic runs. 1926 02:04:47,314 --> 02:04:50,600 [Banks] That's going to hurt them, but it's a lot of learning experience for the other players on that team. 1927 02:04:52,546 --> 02:04:52,685 [Banks] Yeah. 1928 02:04:53,358 --> 02:04:54,640 [Banks] Yeah. 1929 02:04:54,269 --> 02:04:57,756 [Devilwalk] No, but I love Eyeballers. 1930 02:04:54,661 --> 02:04:55,301 [Banks] I like it, man. 1931 02:04:57,917 --> 02:04:59,921 [Devilwalk] I think they have a lot of interesting pieces. 1932 02:05:00,923 --> 02:05:05,514 [Devilwalk] Maxter obviously has so much star potential. 1933 02:05:01,333 --> 02:05:02,676 [Banks] Did you see the Max the Highlight? 1934 02:05:06,074 --> 02:05:09,341 [Devilwalk] I think this was a rough tournament for BobXT. 1935 02:05:09,322 --> 02:05:27,515 [Devilwalk] but he's normally one of their like absolute best players so it's a little bit of shame that you know he didn't get to show and highlight what he can do because he can definitely play at this level this was just 1936 02:05:10,372 --> 02:05:11,172 [Banks] Yeah. 1937 02:05:12,416 --> 02:05:13,037 [Banks] He's really good. 1938 02:05:16,847 --> 02:05:17,207 [Banks] Yep. 1939 02:05:27,496 --> 02:05:46,972 [Devilwalk] poor tournament for him um unfortunate but even if you look at like someone like roll for decks they are very very interesting pieces as well and i think they have a good solid like build of what you need in a team with different people taking different amounts of space in a team 1940 02:05:46,953 --> 02:05:49,677 [Devilwalk] So I like it. 1941 02:05:50,019 --> 02:05:51,341 [Devilwalk] I like Pete as the coach. 1942 02:05:51,742 --> 02:05:56,490 [Devilwalk] He's done some wonderful work with them since joining, grinding their way up. 1943 02:05:57,192 --> 02:06:02,261 [Devilwalk] And it's one of the reasons why Swedish CS is back. 1944 02:06:03,237 --> 02:06:23,170 [Banks] is very true very true and you know what for bob xd it's a very big event for him and it's probably a lot of pressure on him to perform the same way he was it'll come with some time he's not one of them players that i'm worried about did you i mentioned to you did you see that max to highlight the spray down bruh that was nuts another 1945 02:06:18,712 --> 02:06:18,993 [Devilwalk] Yes. 1946 02:06:22,667 --> 02:06:24,394 [Devilwalk] He was as surprised as you were. 1947 02:06:27,365 --> 02:06:28,671 [Devilwalk] You can see it on the cam. 1948 02:06:27,587 --> 02:06:30,020 [Banks] Sometimes it just works. 1949 02:06:30,140 --> 02:06:31,164 [Banks] Sometimes it just works. 1950 02:06:31,185 --> 02:06:32,872 [Banks] But I'll say this. 1951 02:06:33,341 --> 02:06:48,296 [Banks] If that can happen more regularly for them, like these kind of runs, this could be a consistent team to be grinding forward to seeing at some of these other events, to see at some of the events next year or next half of the season where... 1952 02:06:48,277 --> 02:07:04,141 [Banks] bigger teams don't attend like there is going to be opportunity now for them and i'm i'm excited because this is not the first or last time we're going to see them unlike in terms of a tier one event 1953 02:06:57,997 --> 02:06:58,859 [Devilwalk] No, I don't think so. 1954 02:06:59,079 --> 02:07:10,572 [Devilwalk] I think they, even if they have down periods, them and Alliance, I think, are going to have regular showings for tier one events this year. 1955 02:07:09,573 --> 02:07:16,511 [Banks] Who do you think is better right now? 1956 02:07:11,885 --> 02:07:15,122 [Devilwalk] If you want consistency, I think Alliance. 1957 02:07:16,590 --> 02:07:18,198 [Devilwalk] I think Eyeballers... 1958 02:07:20,002 --> 02:07:23,206 [Devilwalk] They have maybe a bigger ceiling at times. 1959 02:07:23,546 --> 02:07:29,595 [Devilwalk] They can at least play a bit more on momentum than Alliance. 1960 02:07:28,287 --> 02:07:30,872 [Banks] But that probably comes from like JW's way of the game. 1961 02:07:29,614 --> 02:07:32,137 [Devilwalk] But it's very different styles of Counter-Strike. 1962 02:07:30,912 --> 02:07:32,475 [Banks] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1963 02:07:32,538 --> 02:07:39,747 [Devilwalk] Alliance is a more structured style with Eyeballers being a little bit more wingy. 1964 02:07:40,953 --> 02:07:42,515 [Banks] True, true, true, true. 1965 02:07:43,288 --> 02:07:44,596 [Banks] All right, well, that's enough about eyeballs. 1966 02:07:44,637 --> 02:07:46,931 [Banks] We'll go on to bait. 1967 02:07:47,515 --> 02:07:48,320 [Banks] So bait. 1968 02:07:49,498 --> 02:07:50,902 [Banks] I didn't have expectations for them. 1969 02:07:51,002 --> 02:07:53,926 [Banks] At one point, I thought they were not going to do anything, and this was so dead. 1970 02:07:54,006 --> 02:07:57,833 [Banks] And now, okay, beat Wildcard, lose to Astralis 3D Max. 1971 02:07:57,913 --> 02:07:58,916 [Banks] Then I started to get worried. 1972 02:07:59,136 --> 02:08:00,739 [Banks] You beat Inner Circle, you beat Legacy. 1973 02:08:00,779 --> 02:08:01,962 [Banks] Legacy is a positive one. 1974 02:08:02,462 --> 02:08:09,194 [Banks] Then you lose to Foot, which I think everyone expects them to lose to Foot, but they even improved their overpass enough, or maybe... 1975 02:08:09,175 --> 02:08:28,668 [Banks] foot didn't improve their own overpass enough but foots overpass is normally good we see them challenging some top teams on that map um that i would say that this was a good run for them still there are times where i'm seeing the sissy they keep telling me about but i think let me just check i'm not gonna lie to everyone but i think he was still the lowest rated player of the whole team 1976 02:08:29,054 --> 02:08:29,555 [Banks] No, okay. 1977 02:08:29,695 --> 02:08:30,436 [Banks] Alex was under him. 1978 02:08:30,421 --> 02:08:42,456 [Devilwalk] I, I, 1979 02:08:30,497 --> 02:08:32,041 [Banks] He had a 1.0 rating this time. 1980 02:08:32,341 --> 02:08:33,905 [Banks] So there is growth with the young kid. 1981 02:08:34,466 --> 02:08:35,429 [Banks] There is growth. 1982 02:08:35,448 --> 02:08:37,213 [Banks] And he even did some interviews and content as well. 1983 02:08:37,554 --> 02:08:41,122 [Banks] So I think we're on the right track with him for everything that was told to us. 1984 02:08:42,958 --> 02:08:43,619 [Devilwalk] I agree. 1985 02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:45,722 [Devilwalk] They're on the right track with him. 1986 02:08:47,865 --> 02:08:52,832 [Devilwalk] But I have a hard time sensing where I put bait. 1987 02:08:49,185 --> 02:09:03,769 [Banks] It's hard. 1988 02:08:54,094 --> 02:08:58,820 [Devilwalk] I have a real struggle where, like, how good are they? 1989 02:08:58,881 --> 02:09:02,064 [Devilwalk] Because obviously... 1990 02:09:04,524 --> 02:09:05,487 [Banks] Because I don't know where to put them either. 1991 02:09:05,506 --> 02:09:09,375 [Banks] I was going to say, right, remember, this is the other thing we have to hold them to. 1992 02:09:09,615 --> 02:09:11,980 [Banks] Budapest, one game away from playoffs of a major. 1993 02:09:13,363 --> 02:09:16,610 [Banks] And now that seems so far away for these guys. 1994 02:09:18,024 --> 02:09:24,064 [Banks] And Ken Zazor, how many times have I been positive about him at this team, what he can do, his raw skill? 1995 02:09:24,104 --> 02:09:31,005 [Banks] He's still there, maybe not as good as he could be, but both him and NPL are not as good as when NPL was leading. 1996 02:09:31,863 --> 02:09:38,672 [Devilwalk] But it's a weird one because like Essential used to be kind of their low rated player in this tournament. 1997 02:09:38,106 --> 02:09:44,581 [Banks] Yep. 1998 02:09:38,773 --> 02:09:42,939 [Devilwalk] He were their fifth best rated player of the entire event. 1999 02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:46,765 [Banks] That's kind of one-off for him though, right? 2000 02:09:45,904 --> 02:09:49,207 [Devilwalk] Maybe even fourth if you remove Kerrigan from the list. 2001 02:09:49,228 --> 02:09:50,310 [Devilwalk] He only played two maps. 2002 02:09:50,873 --> 02:09:52,436 [Banks] Yeah, don't count, bro. 2003 02:09:52,703 --> 02:10:11,404 [Devilwalk] so fourth best player of the event and I mean that's great but you need all the pieces to kind of shine for this bait yeah 2004 02:09:55,764 --> 02:09:56,064 [Banks] Yep. 2005 02:10:03,925 --> 02:10:05,029 [Banks] Yeah, last three events. 2006 02:10:05,088 --> 02:10:06,131 [Banks] He's been higher by the way. 2007 02:10:06,171 --> 02:10:16,787 [Banks] He's gone 112, 116, 121 last three events. 2008 02:10:12,716 --> 02:10:15,462 [Devilwalk] But for bait, this is a great tournament. 2009 02:10:15,902 --> 02:10:18,747 [Devilwalk] It's kind of stopping the bleeding. 2010 02:10:19,127 --> 02:10:27,942 [Devilwalk] It's a way for them to kind of finally get some breathing room and some space to actually believe if they are making the right decision or not. 2011 02:10:27,921 --> 02:10:43,685 [Devilwalk] because if obviously it was close they could have you know went out in the in the other pool but they didn't they made playoff they made a quarterfinals they lost against the winners of the event they played great against the winners of the event 2012 02:10:43,666 --> 02:10:47,953 [Devilwalk] narrowly losing two maps, 13-11 and 16-13. 2013 02:10:48,092 --> 02:10:54,483 [Devilwalk] Overall, great success for bait in this tournament for me. 2014 02:10:49,201 --> 02:11:01,152 [Banks] yeah yeah um power vision next at all power vision 2015 02:11:02,296 --> 02:11:05,443 [Banks] Jame is Mr. Consistent with this, but do you know what? 2016 02:11:02,595 --> 02:11:03,497 [Devilwalk] Old Paravision. 2017 02:11:05,542 --> 02:11:15,706 [Banks] I think you could just almost bet on it now with ParaVision that it will be one good playoff run, go deep in the tournament, then one bad tournament, then one good playoff run in the tournament, then one bad tournament. 2018 02:11:16,027 --> 02:11:17,711 [Banks] Let me look and see if I'm actually onto something here. 2019 02:11:18,032 --> 02:11:19,494 [Banks] So they win Bounty. 2020 02:11:19,627 --> 02:11:23,461 [Banks] Then they do really badly in Krakow, top 16. 2021 02:11:23,863 --> 02:11:25,387 [Banks] Then second place, Klusner Poker. 2022 02:11:26,230 --> 02:11:28,198 [Banks] Then do really badly at EPL. 2023 02:11:28,961 --> 02:11:31,610 [Banks] Then third to fourth in Rotterdam. 2024 02:11:32,215 --> 02:11:35,944 [Banks] And then I'll say really badly in Bucharest because the elite teams are not there. 2025 02:11:36,365 --> 02:11:37,489 [Banks] This was your event to win. 2026 02:11:38,070 --> 02:11:39,716 [Banks] Now, I'm not going to be harsh on ParaVision. 2027 02:11:39,735 --> 02:11:44,448 [Banks] I don't think this is... It's a blunder because this was their chance of a second trophy for the year. 2028 02:11:44,488 --> 02:11:48,198 [Banks] Realistically, people should have been looking at this as like... 2029 02:11:48,179 --> 02:11:56,350 [Banks] Depending on the bracket, obviously a foot Paravision, foot Mongols, Paravision Mongols, that kind of a grand final, right? 2030 02:11:48,618 --> 02:11:52,079 [Devilwalk] you 2031 02:11:56,903 --> 02:12:09,427 [Devilwalk] Okay, but if I put ParaVision in quarterfinals versus, let's say, 3D Max or MIBR with Astralis Eyeballers coming up, I think they make grandfinals. 2032 02:12:05,685 --> 02:12:06,305 [Banks] Paravision. 2033 02:12:08,091 --> 02:12:10,095 [Banks] Yeah. 2034 02:12:10,296 --> 02:12:12,119 [Banks] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 2035 02:12:12,140 --> 02:12:14,283 [Banks] They had the hard side of bracket, but so did foot. 2036 02:12:14,664 --> 02:12:23,282 [Banks] But still, if you looked at that bracket before everything we know today, you would have said ParaVision was the favourites to go into that grand final over any of the other teams. 2037 02:12:23,936 --> 02:12:26,704 [Devilwalk] Favors, yes, but I personally believe in foot. 2038 02:12:27,278 --> 02:12:29,140 [Banks] Yeah, but I said football make finals as well. 2039 02:12:29,421 --> 02:12:31,404 [Banks] I said 5-4 Paravision would give them a harder time. 2040 02:12:29,713 --> 02:12:35,851 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2041 02:12:31,425 --> 02:12:34,009 [Banks] I thought they would struggle, but they're very well prepared for it. 2042 02:12:34,170 --> 02:12:35,511 [Banks] They've beaten them in the group stage, right? 2043 02:12:35,872 --> 02:12:35,971 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2044 02:12:36,252 --> 02:12:43,465 [Banks] So I think Paravision's not bad, but they best perform when they're the underdogs. 2045 02:12:44,186 --> 02:12:48,894 [Banks] And Dastan, did you read that or listen to that Dastan interview they did on the couch? 2046 02:12:48,270 --> 02:12:52,041 [Devilwalk] I listened half of it, I think. 2047 02:12:49,935 --> 02:12:50,856 [Banks] Oh my God. 2048 02:12:51,979 --> 02:12:54,322 [Banks] Dude, we obviously, we love Dastan, right? 2049 02:12:54,768 --> 02:12:59,180 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2050 02:12:54,783 --> 02:12:55,503 [Banks] Full honesty. 2051 02:12:55,543 --> 02:12:58,347 [Banks] He's like, if I could kick some player now, I would kick a player. 2052 02:12:58,368 --> 02:13:02,314 [Banks] I got major coming up. 2053 02:12:59,199 --> 02:13:00,323 [Devilwalk] I can't kick player now. 2054 02:13:01,045 --> 02:13:01,707 [Devilwalk] Going major. 2055 02:13:03,813 --> 02:13:12,144 [Banks] It's basically, bro, if you're somewhat underperforming or missing the smokes and flashes, remember, when they miss smokes and flashes, they get fines as well. 2056 02:13:08,537 --> 02:13:15,662 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2057 02:13:12,284 --> 02:13:13,791 [Banks] Yeah, they have a fine system in place. 2058 02:13:13,810 --> 02:13:15,476 [Banks] We heard that on this podcast. 2059 02:13:15,457 --> 02:13:16,899 [Banks] back when we did the Budapest Major. 2060 02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:18,403 [Banks] First of all, you're getting fined. 2061 02:13:18,462 --> 02:13:21,109 [Banks] Then also, you should be sweating because you don't know if you're being kicked as well. 2062 02:13:21,429 --> 02:13:27,240 [Banks] Because the thing is, he's very right about some days, one player pops off and takes over. 2063 02:13:27,381 --> 02:13:28,363 [Banks] James is consistent. 2064 02:13:28,684 --> 02:13:32,110 [Banks] But it's like the rest of them just sit like a random one point something rating. 2065 02:13:32,466 --> 02:13:42,543 [Devilwalk] I'm kind of surprised Nota is a bit inconsistent because he is... For me, he's been like, when they play great, it's Nota is the... Like, that's... 2066 02:13:33,212 --> 02:13:33,634 [Banks] And... 2067 02:13:41,865 --> 02:13:42,810 [Banks] Note his way. 2068 02:13:42,524 --> 02:13:47,135 [Devilwalk] He's the one that makes them look all-star, almost. 2069 02:13:48,275 --> 02:13:48,417 [Banks] Mm-hmm. 2070 02:13:48,337 --> 02:14:01,106 [Devilwalk] Obviously, if you have Sway, Cielo, Jayme kind of, you know, running the show, having Note up there as well, gives them a bit of consistency. 2071 02:14:02,436 --> 02:14:04,039 [Banks] But they are a young team, right? 2072 02:14:04,161 --> 02:14:15,042 [Banks] But also, when you've really won an event and you're now doing multiple tier one events, the young team thing does start to like... Like, we're not going to accept that forever. 2073 02:14:04,275 --> 02:14:17,425 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2074 02:14:15,064 --> 02:14:16,967 [Banks] And I understand Dastan's frustrations. 2075 02:14:16,988 --> 02:14:18,831 [Banks] And I'm never criticizing the way he's doing it. 2076 02:14:19,231 --> 02:14:20,073 [Banks] But it's like... 2077 02:14:21,082 --> 02:14:22,926 [Banks] Some of the mistakes they make, it's hard. 2078 02:14:23,247 --> 02:14:26,335 [Banks] Some of the mistakes, I would not even be as harsh as Dastan would be on them. 2079 02:14:26,976 --> 02:14:35,396 [Banks] But I guess if he's seeing them every single time and he's looking at it with a microscope every time, it's probably very hard for him to deal with. 2080 02:14:37,029 --> 02:14:38,603 [Devilwalk] As it is for any coach. 2081 02:14:39,257 --> 02:14:48,255 [Banks] Yes, but I mean, when you've already fought, you got over this and you're winning the tournaments, you're going through it and then old habits die and he's expecting them to remember. 2082 02:14:49,130 --> 02:15:08,167 [Devilwalk] that's a different conversation to have expect people to remember that's like that's the worst part about being a coach let me just tell me expecting people to remember what you tell them it's the 2083 02:15:01,634 --> 02:15:03,796 [Banks] We're expecting teams to remember things. 2084 02:15:04,684 --> 02:15:05,755 [Banks] We've been through this. 2085 02:15:09,328 --> 02:15:10,774 [Devilwalk] It's the toughest task. 2086 02:15:11,759 --> 02:15:13,502 [Banks] Yeah, just ask my wife. 2087 02:15:13,622 --> 02:15:14,563 [Banks] Just ask my wife. 2088 02:15:14,823 --> 02:15:16,667 [Banks] I don't remember half the things I'm supposed to do. 2089 02:15:17,162 --> 02:15:17,262 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2090 02:15:17,587 --> 02:15:18,789 [Banks] There was a million things going on. 2091 02:15:19,891 --> 02:15:20,332 [Banks] I don't know. 2092 02:15:20,351 --> 02:15:30,627 [Banks] I think this is a disappointing one more so than other early exits because this wasn't a tough set of teams like... 2093 02:15:30,608 --> 02:15:33,975 [Banks] For 100%, they should have beaten 3D Max and been on the other side of the bracket. 2094 02:15:34,456 --> 02:15:34,716 [Banks] You know? 2095 02:15:35,759 --> 02:15:38,324 [Banks] ParaVision shouldn't be losing to 3D Max. 2096 02:15:35,805 --> 02:15:55,063 [Devilwalk] true I mean they just go home Dustin whips them up a little bit and then it's all good 2097 02:15:38,706 --> 02:15:40,630 [Banks] Not in current state, current form of how it is. 2098 02:15:41,612 --> 02:15:42,835 [Banks] And they were lucky to make playoffs. 2099 02:15:43,576 --> 02:15:43,997 [Banks] Definitely. 2100 02:15:44,557 --> 02:15:47,283 [Banks] But I don't see them as in a worrying position. 2101 02:15:47,323 --> 02:15:48,567 [Banks] Like, what's the next event for them? 2102 02:15:48,747 --> 02:15:49,949 [Banks] Let me have a look. 2103 02:15:49,930 --> 02:16:06,100 [Banks] where are they going to next oh they got chill time until kazakhstan and then they do cac and then they're in stage three at a major so they're good that's gonna be good that's gonna be real good 2104 02:15:57,743 --> 02:16:15,042 [Devilwalk] Dustin in Kazakhstan that's it's gonna be the best para vision we've ever seen you had yep 2105 02:16:07,514 --> 02:16:09,381 [Banks] All right, from here we go to 3D Max. 2106 02:16:09,662 --> 02:16:12,412 [Banks] I think both of us didn't have 3D Max making playoffs, right? 2107 02:16:13,698 --> 02:16:15,465 [Banks] I had him making playoffs. 2108 02:16:16,271 --> 02:16:18,479 [Banks] I'm delusional in some way, I guess. 2109 02:16:18,940 --> 02:16:19,362 [Banks] I don't know. 2110 02:16:19,381 --> 02:16:22,010 [Banks] I'm still so... I like the Masuta addition. 2111 02:16:22,110 --> 02:16:24,337 [Banks] I like the fact that MBK is going to be behind them more. 2112 02:16:25,462 --> 02:16:28,712 [Banks] Teams they beat in order to make their playoff run. 2113 02:16:28,692 --> 02:16:30,496 [Banks] They beat Voca, Bait. 2114 02:16:30,796 --> 02:16:31,998 [Banks] PowerVision wins impressive. 2115 02:16:32,039 --> 02:16:33,341 [Banks] They beat MIBR as well. 2116 02:16:33,862 --> 02:16:35,906 [Banks] Losing to Astralis, there's no real shame in that. 2117 02:16:36,266 --> 02:16:37,029 [Banks] It was a 2-0. 2118 02:16:38,432 --> 02:16:39,334 [Banks] Close games, though. 2119 02:16:39,674 --> 02:16:41,217 [Banks] Just unable to take it over the line. 2120 02:16:41,618 --> 02:16:47,409 [Banks] And then losing to Mongols in the third place to SIDAR would still put Mongols... 2121 02:16:47,389 --> 02:17:01,433 [Banks] way ahead of 3d max anyway even if it's this iteration of them so i think this is a top four is very good at the 3d max considering where they're at like this is one you can look at more positively but i'm still 2122 02:16:49,329 --> 02:16:49,631 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2123 02:16:55,548 --> 02:16:55,628 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2124 02:17:02,222 --> 02:17:04,870 [Banks] I remember just we were talking about them last year. 2125 02:17:05,171 --> 02:17:09,843 [Banks] Could be a constant top eight team, playoff team, and then it never came to be. 2126 02:17:09,924 --> 02:17:11,288 [Banks] So I'm... 2127 02:17:11,707 --> 02:17:30,120 [Banks] not out on this team i'm just reserved about how i look at it because obviously if there was elite teams here the same for many of the teams that wouldn't have made playoffs but i mean i would never put 3d max in that conversation if the elite teams are here that they could even have a chance of making it to playoffs but they've got time to develop with this roster 2128 02:17:30,622 --> 02:17:32,808 [Devilwalk] I think that's a fair assessment. 2129 02:17:32,827 --> 02:17:36,859 [Devilwalk] I do think there's something exciting happening around 3D Max. 2130 02:17:36,939 --> 02:17:44,737 [Devilwalk] They've just, you know, gone back to the role coach, bringing in, obviously, MBK, switching a little bit of roles. 2131 02:17:44,757 --> 02:17:45,761 [Devilwalk] Misuta is in. 2132 02:17:45,841 --> 02:17:47,485 [Devilwalk] I think there's something... 2133 02:17:47,465 --> 02:17:57,913 [Devilwalk] interesting about what they're trying to do and I think that they have the potential to go further than where they were at with their last lineup 2134 02:17:57,708 --> 02:17:58,235 [Banks] Mm hmm. 2135 02:17:57,893 --> 02:18:08,393 [Devilwalk] um but i think it's a it's a it's a little bit of a time game for them because they've obviously changed all made all of this stuff a month ago i'm not sure 2136 02:18:08,372 --> 02:18:14,849 [Devilwalk] They've had enough time to really settle into all the changes and all the things that they will be doing. 2137 02:18:14,988 --> 02:18:19,158 [Devilwalk] So I'll be giving them a little bit more time, but I'm positive on 3D Max. 2138 02:18:19,138 --> 02:18:35,933 [Devilwalk] and I think overall the tournament itself and the performance it was great um it's a step in the right direction because we have to remember a month ago they were free falling down to 26 in the VRS and 2139 02:18:24,757 --> 02:18:43,051 [Banks] Yep. 2140 02:18:35,913 --> 02:18:41,293 [Devilwalk] They were for quite a while pretty stable around that 10 to 15 mark. 2141 02:18:42,619 --> 02:18:46,192 [Devilwalk] And they're heading back in that direction. 2142 02:18:43,072 --> 02:18:43,172 [Banks] Yeah. 2143 02:18:46,173 --> 02:18:47,316 [Devilwalk] I think they're currently 15th. 2144 02:18:49,201 --> 02:18:53,614 [Devilwalk] So they kind of bumped their way back in to that stability. 2145 02:18:50,070 --> 02:19:05,582 [Banks] Yeah. 2146 02:18:53,656 --> 02:18:55,962 [Devilwalk] But I think it's going to progress a little bit further. 2147 02:18:56,003 --> 02:18:59,793 [Devilwalk] And I think they can be competitive against some teams. 2148 02:18:59,773 --> 02:19:04,305 [Devilwalk] Especially the likes of like GE2 or someone like that. 2149 02:19:04,406 --> 02:19:10,981 [Devilwalk] But I don't think they, as you mentioned, will be, you know, defeating Vitality anytime soon. 2150 02:19:11,924 --> 02:19:15,636 [Banks] Definitely not, especially that French matchup on the cards. 2151 02:19:16,016 --> 02:19:21,816 [Banks] And what's interesting, right, since like late or say August 2024... 2152 02:19:21,931 --> 02:19:23,456 [Banks] all the way into where we are now. 2153 02:19:23,495 --> 02:19:35,855 [Banks] They've hovered anywhere max going up to eighth in the world, VRS, and then roughly they average out around top 12, 13, and obviously they're back there right now as being 15. 2154 02:19:35,835 --> 02:19:50,183 [Banks] so i feel like this is just a position for them to go anywhere close to being a top eight team right now when you've got teams like foot and australis punching higher it's like their spot's just going to keep dropping down because i don't see where they can go to match it so i feel like 2155 02:19:44,813 --> 02:19:45,074 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2156 02:19:51,141 --> 02:19:56,930 [Banks] They are still yet to show us a way for them to go further, you know, and find a way into it. 2157 02:19:57,891 --> 02:20:00,736 [Banks] And it's more just all on them and all eyes on them to make that possible. 2158 02:20:02,397 --> 02:20:04,620 [Banks] So next is Mongols. 2159 02:20:05,242 --> 02:20:09,487 [Banks] Now, Mongols, I don't know. 2160 02:20:10,176 --> 02:20:11,520 [Banks] I never had them. 2161 02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:14,247 [Banks] I had them as a team that could make grand finals and win the event. 2162 02:20:14,689 --> 02:20:16,111 [Banks] But I never believed in them. 2163 02:20:16,131 --> 02:20:21,807 [Banks] If this was Mongols of like Austin time or before Senzu was gone, then obviously, yes. 2164 02:20:20,251 --> 02:20:21,475 [Devilwalk] They would be clear favorites. 2165 02:20:21,787 --> 02:20:22,990 [Banks] Yeah, exactly. 2166 02:20:23,031 --> 02:20:23,713 [Banks] By a long way. 2167 02:20:24,174 --> 02:20:25,540 [Banks] Their run wasn't bad, right? 2168 02:20:25,559 --> 02:20:29,533 [Banks] They lost to Astralis and they lost to Foot and then they beat 3D Max. 2169 02:20:29,554 --> 02:20:30,718 [Banks] So they only lost two times. 2170 02:20:31,158 --> 02:20:33,467 [Banks] I think the Astralis loss is painful because... 2171 02:20:33,250 --> 02:20:34,934 [Devilwalk] They lost in the group stage as well, right? 2172 02:20:35,135 --> 02:20:36,336 [Banks] Yeah, group stage one. 2173 02:20:36,356 --> 02:20:37,158 [Banks] So that could have been the 3-0. 2174 02:20:37,379 --> 02:20:39,924 [Banks] That could have been 3-0 for Mongols and through to playoffs. 2175 02:20:40,745 --> 02:20:43,251 [Banks] Obviously, all teams go to quarters anyway, but it's obviously seeding side. 2176 02:20:43,572 --> 02:20:54,190 [Devilwalk] And they crushed him. 2177 02:20:44,734 --> 02:20:50,545 [Banks] But they beat Paravision, they beat Wildcard, they lose to Foot in 2-0, and they beat 3D Max 2-0. 2178 02:20:50,524 --> 02:21:09,950 [Banks] 3d max one we just spoke about was at least a dominant victory right one to be proud of um but it's still they were doing this also without mara some people told me but i'm not sure this is true that like he's having a kid as well so if he is congratulations to him that's awesome um obviously hopefully he's back for the the major but um 2179 02:21:09,931 --> 02:21:26,438 [Banks] I don't think this isn't good by their standards for a team that can lift Tier 1 trophies and be in Tier 1 Grand Finals, but it's still their development as a team right now that puts them on an okay position. 2180 02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:30,809 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I mean, a third place finish, it ain't that bad. 2181 02:21:30,850 --> 02:21:37,048 [Devilwalk] They were never really frontrunners to be the winners in my book. 2182 02:21:37,829 --> 02:21:40,056 [Devilwalk] I think they're in that weird space where 2183 02:21:41,587 --> 02:21:43,393 [Devilwalk] It's going to take them some time. 2184 02:21:43,894 --> 02:21:52,155 [Devilwalk] They're either going to fall or kind of fall up upwards or drop down very hard where they need to make more player changes. 2185 02:21:52,574 --> 02:21:53,034 [Banks] Mm hmm. 2186 02:21:53,906 --> 02:22:04,692 [Devilwalk] I'm still not completely sold on Cobra's era versus Censored discussion, even though it's something we need to maybe stop even discussing at this point. 2187 02:22:04,833 --> 02:22:06,938 [Devilwalk] But... 2188 02:22:06,917 --> 02:22:17,247 [Devilwalk] I like him as a player I think he's good they can definitely shoot as long as you know said in the earlier in the episode but 2189 02:22:19,168 --> 02:22:33,836 [Devilwalk] I'm still keeping my kind of reserved view that I think they will hover around 10th to like, I don't think there will be a credible top five team for a consistent basis. 2190 02:22:34,745 --> 02:22:39,165 [Banks] Okay, but what do you think of the development of CobraZero so far? 2191 02:22:39,185 --> 02:22:41,316 [Banks] Because he's hitting some good highs. 2192 02:22:41,778 --> 02:22:42,763 [Banks] He's looking really strong. 2193 02:22:43,672 --> 02:22:47,381 [Devilwalk] I think there's nothing to blame him for. 2194 02:22:47,641 --> 02:22:53,698 [Devilwalk] I think obviously he's kind of thrown into a very, like the deep end to some sense. 2195 02:22:53,677 --> 02:22:57,587 [Devilwalk] And I think he's doing as well as you can kind of expect from a player. 2196 02:22:57,608 --> 02:22:59,753 [Devilwalk] I think that there is potential in him. 2197 02:22:59,813 --> 02:23:01,457 [Devilwalk] There's growth to be had in him. 2198 02:23:02,620 --> 02:23:09,477 [Devilwalk] But they've only had three months and just jumping from... Was it the Huns? 2199 02:23:09,457 --> 02:23:14,170 [Devilwalk] The Huns to the Mongols is a pretty big leap to make. 2200 02:23:09,592 --> 02:23:27,617 [Banks] Yeah, and I feel like... 2201 02:23:14,611 --> 02:23:20,407 [Devilwalk] So yeah, he obviously needs to get a little bit more comfortable in this scene. 2202 02:23:20,468 --> 02:23:23,516 [Devilwalk] And I mean, he's only 20, so there's room to grow. 2203 02:23:27,765 --> 02:23:32,693 [Banks] He has some moments where it catches me and I'm like, oh, I'm liking what I'm seeing from Cobrazera. 2204 02:23:32,773 --> 02:23:38,804 [Banks] And it's just finding more consistency in that and finding some more confidence in that, especially against good opposition. 2205 02:23:38,824 --> 02:23:44,593 [Banks] I don't want to compare him to Senzu too much. 2206 02:23:39,122 --> 02:23:39,365 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2207 02:23:44,826 --> 02:23:52,924 [Banks] But I want him to see at least have the level where I see moments of him being able to take more of that space like Senzu used to do. 2208 02:23:53,305 --> 02:23:53,925 [Banks] That would be nice. 2209 02:23:54,367 --> 02:23:55,167 [Banks] That would help them a lot. 2210 02:23:55,930 --> 02:23:59,297 [Banks] Because it limits them where... But obviously Senzu had that over time, right? 2211 02:23:59,336 --> 02:24:01,721 [Banks] With just knowing what to do reactionary to things. 2212 02:24:01,701 --> 02:24:03,246 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I think it's going to take some time. 2213 02:24:03,989 --> 02:24:06,819 [Devilwalk] It's a big leap. 2214 02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:08,826 [Devilwalk] There's a lot of new stuff for him. 2215 02:24:08,867 --> 02:24:10,513 [Devilwalk] So I think they're obviously going to 2216 02:24:11,573 --> 02:24:21,836 [Devilwalk] For me, I'm seeing like this year is kind of just riding the wave for the Mongols and maybe they'll get some exponential burst at some point. 2217 02:24:21,816 --> 02:24:27,733 [Devilwalk] But I'm kind of seeing it to be maybe next year if they stick through it. 2218 02:24:22,188 --> 02:24:34,121 [Banks] It's a long way already. 2219 02:24:27,953 --> 02:24:33,648 [Devilwalk] Because it's such a... There's one thing to be like top 10. 2220 02:24:33,629 --> 02:24:44,931 [Devilwalk] But to burst up into competing against Vitality and top five teams, I think it's a big leap to make consistency-wise. 2221 02:24:44,496 --> 02:24:46,581 [Banks] They're still fifth right now, though, which is really good. 2222 02:24:46,754 --> 02:24:47,835 [Devilwalk] Yeah, they are. 2223 02:24:47,876 --> 02:24:51,503 [Devilwalk] It is really good. 2224 02:24:48,684 --> 02:24:48,886 [Banks] Yeah. 2225 02:24:50,930 --> 02:24:51,650 [Banks] It's kind of crazy. 2226 02:24:52,371 --> 02:24:55,198 [Banks] They're still hanging in there in a good position. 2227 02:24:56,540 --> 02:24:57,361 [Banks] All right. 2228 02:24:57,542 --> 02:24:57,942 [Banks] Who's next? 2229 02:24:58,023 --> 02:24:58,684 [Banks] Astralis. 2230 02:24:58,944 --> 02:25:00,327 [Banks] Astralis. 2231 02:25:00,781 --> 02:25:05,213 [Banks] From third place at EPL to second place at Bucharest, still a very positive run. 2232 02:25:05,433 --> 02:25:08,884 [Banks] Beat MIBR, Bay, Mongols, Eyeballers, 3D Max. 2233 02:25:07,513 --> 02:25:14,469 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2234 02:25:09,344 --> 02:25:14,520 [Banks] They didn't really, like, only the Mongols was like a tough team they had to fight until they got to foot. 2235 02:25:14,500 --> 02:25:18,333 [Banks] So they had an easier run, but you can only beat who's in front of you. 2236 02:25:19,014 --> 02:25:22,566 [Banks] Just saying like it was not really much to go off of. 2237 02:25:22,666 --> 02:25:24,493 [Banks] And they should have lost the eyeballers game. 2238 02:25:25,721 --> 02:25:28,647 [Banks] great ability to be able to come back and win it the way they did in that. 2239 02:25:29,148 --> 02:25:30,611 [Banks] But it should have been 2-0 eyeballers. 2240 02:25:31,634 --> 02:25:39,529 [Banks] And from there, right, going up against foot, I think Laux made a really good point that I didn't look at when I was watching the finals in that 2241 02:25:39,509 --> 02:25:41,834 [Banks] They play scared versus them because I saw rounds. 2242 02:25:41,873 --> 02:25:48,487 [Banks] If you remember, I don't know if you remember Nuke, there was a round where like Hooksy calls for a lobby crunch and Foot were not ready for it. 2243 02:25:48,507 --> 02:25:49,870 [Banks] Those are the kind of things that were surprising. 2244 02:25:49,890 --> 02:25:53,558 [Banks] But then when Astralis played more standard, that just played into Foot's wheelhouse. 2245 02:25:53,578 --> 02:25:58,269 [Banks] And you think you only win Nuke after you were down, like it was crazy. 2246 02:25:53,801 --> 02:25:54,129 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2247 02:25:58,289 --> 02:25:59,390 [Banks] They were down... 2248 02:25:59,370 --> 02:26:03,676 [Banks] 10-4, then 11-7, then it was 12-10. 2249 02:26:04,077 --> 02:26:06,341 [Banks] Like, footwind control should have won 3-0. 2250 02:26:07,361 --> 02:26:15,233 [Banks] And then instead, Asharis battled back, won 16-14 to get absolutely dumped on Dust2, which is still causing them headaches and problems. 2251 02:26:16,042 --> 02:26:18,864 [Devilwalk] Yeah, it's... I mean... 2252 02:26:16,114 --> 02:26:18,577 [Banks] So, revenge was had. 2253 02:26:18,945 --> 02:26:23,114 [Devilwalk] Yeah, I think overall it's a good tournament from Astralis. 2254 02:26:23,135 --> 02:26:25,740 [Devilwalk] They should be very, very happy with making grand finals. 2255 02:26:28,245 --> 02:26:35,721 [Devilwalk] I don't think, and I think it was evident in the Hooks interview as well, they were third or fourth in VRS. 2256 02:26:37,045 --> 02:26:38,929 [Devilwalk] He kind of toned it down and said, you know, 2257 02:26:38,908 --> 02:26:54,335 [Devilwalk] yeah it's kind of great to be there but i think we all know we're not really fourth in the world um and there's there's there's very obvious truths to that um but you know 2258 02:26:44,882 --> 02:26:58,538 [Banks] yeah yeah he's realistic 2259 02:26:55,479 --> 02:26:57,283 [Devilwalk] it's an Australis with potential. 2260 02:26:57,504 --> 02:26:59,269 [Devilwalk] It's an Australis as it's growing. 2261 02:26:59,809 --> 02:27:11,817 [Devilwalk] It's an Australis that has, you know, they're picking up experience and they're picking up, um, wins and they're, they're at least competitive, you know, 2262 02:27:11,612 --> 02:27:28,507 [Banks] Even if they faced like a Paravision or a Mongols in the final if it wasn't foot. 2263 02:27:13,603 --> 02:27:22,342 [Devilwalk] So I think overall, I'm not sure you could ever have asked them to win this tournament, if I'm brutally honest, going into it. 2264 02:27:28,154 --> 02:27:28,835 [Devilwalk] I don't think so. 2265 02:27:30,940 --> 02:27:33,385 [Devilwalk] I think they did the best they could. 2266 02:27:34,309 --> 02:27:35,492 [Banks] Okay. 2267 02:27:35,512 --> 02:27:48,397 [Banks] I'm also excited to see if there will be more of a pop off from the Fouseys and the Ryu's as they get more confident with this level of pressure. 2268 02:27:49,179 --> 02:27:50,682 [Banks] Because it's something they're not used to feeling. 2269 02:27:51,877 --> 02:27:52,422 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2270 02:27:52,197 --> 02:27:54,842 [Banks] Because Fousey had some real stinkers on that final. 2271 02:27:55,503 --> 02:28:02,015 [Banks] Like I was literally trying to count his misplays or decisions I would not normally see him fumble that continues to happen. 2272 02:28:02,761 --> 02:28:05,246 [Devilwalk] Well, I think it was just for the entire squad. 2273 02:28:05,308 --> 02:28:18,762 [Devilwalk] I think there was even, you know, they were tuning into voice comms during this tournament and you could hear Hooksy, you know, talking about tilt and resetting and, you know, fixing it. 2274 02:28:11,494 --> 02:28:11,774 [Banks] Hmm. 2275 02:28:18,742 --> 02:28:33,763 [Devilwalk] So there's a glaring idea that when Longs talks about they're in their head that they can hear frustrations, they feel frustrations and it changes how Astralis is playing and the quality of how they're playing. 2276 02:28:35,514 --> 02:28:40,092 [Devilwalk] And that takes time to kind of figure out how to deal with as a team and 2277 02:28:40,325 --> 02:28:59,613 [Banks] Yeah. 2278 02:28:42,198 --> 02:28:46,905 [Devilwalk] I think that's probably where they gain experience is how do they deal with it? 2279 02:28:47,104 --> 02:28:48,147 [Devilwalk] What do we do next time? 2280 02:28:48,766 --> 02:28:52,493 [Devilwalk] And it's not always as straightforward as just fixing it. 2281 02:28:52,872 --> 02:28:59,683 [Devilwalk] Emotions come and how to deal with them can be difficult in a moment's notice for anyone. 2282 02:28:59,634 --> 02:28:59,734 [Banks] Yeah. 2283 02:29:02,296 --> 02:29:04,520 [Banks] And obviously foot, we don't need to talk about. 2284 02:29:04,540 --> 02:29:05,962 [Banks] We discussed all of it with Lount. 2285 02:29:06,042 --> 02:29:08,467 [Banks] So that brings us to the end of PGO Bucharest. 2286 02:29:06,700 --> 02:29:06,960 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2287 02:29:08,708 --> 02:29:12,334 [Banks] It was a very good event overall, considering the team and field that was there. 2288 02:29:13,457 --> 02:29:17,022 [Banks] Obviously a huge jump up for the teams that performed very well in VRS standards. 2289 02:29:17,443 --> 02:29:19,827 [Banks] We'll see how that evens out now we get into Rio and stuff. 2290 02:29:19,929 --> 02:29:20,990 [Banks] That was on the previous episode. 2291 02:29:21,331 --> 02:29:22,313 [Banks] Again, if you didn't see it, 2292 02:29:22,292 --> 02:29:23,774 [Banks] All of our Rio stuff's in there. 2293 02:29:23,796 --> 02:29:26,719 [Banks] So the only thing we've got left to do is a bit of the recent news. 2294 02:29:26,820 --> 02:29:28,783 [Banks] So we will start with our recent news. 2295 02:29:29,225 --> 02:29:30,606 [Banks] And there's only a couple of pieces in here. 2296 02:29:30,627 --> 02:29:33,492 [Banks] Regali leaves FlyQuest free agency. 2297 02:29:35,013 --> 02:29:37,298 [Banks] There is actually a demand for AWPers now. 2298 02:29:37,683 --> 02:29:39,556 [Banks] Yeah, he's open to offers. 2299 02:29:39,656 --> 02:29:43,947 [Banks] But if I look down Regali's history of teams and stuff, for example, 2300 02:29:45,461 --> 02:29:48,909 [Banks] He went from the Fnatic Rising, Fnatic Academy, Copenhagen Flames. 2301 02:29:49,091 --> 02:29:52,680 [Banks] OG was an okay one for him, but it was still just under a year. 2302 02:29:52,739 --> 02:29:54,343 [Banks] And Tropic, not a great team. 2303 02:29:54,463 --> 02:30:02,323 [Banks] And then FlyQuest as well, where it lasted a while, over a year, but it didn't have what they needed or what he wanted. 2304 02:29:59,823 --> 02:30:11,520 [Devilwalk] you 2305 02:30:03,096 --> 02:30:10,215 [Banks] I still think he's capable, but he's one of these AWPers that I feel like he needs a lot of catering to. 2306 02:30:10,235 --> 02:30:12,540 [Banks] He needs a lot of setting up. 2307 02:30:12,620 --> 02:30:14,264 [Banks] He needs a lot of resources for him. 2308 02:30:14,886 --> 02:30:20,058 [Banks] I'm not sure if that works for a lot of teams, especially he might have to look down at lower tier teams as well. 2309 02:30:20,832 --> 02:30:25,281 [Devilwalk] I think the hype is starting to die for Regale. 2310 02:30:25,843 --> 02:30:34,469 [Banks] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2311 02:30:26,023 --> 02:30:33,441 [Devilwalk] Sorry, I'm selling stocks if we're doing it any way in that way. 2312 02:30:35,547 --> 02:30:52,510 [Devilwalk] it's clear Rigoli has you know he has potential he has a skill set I'm starting to wonder like how coachable is the kid how you know these are the questions that come up in my mind because he's had 2313 02:30:53,856 --> 02:31:04,612 [Devilwalk] You know, he came from like a Copeningen Flames OG being one of the most hyped young offers in the scene to now it's starting to dim downwards in trend. 2314 02:31:04,487 --> 02:31:21,686 [Banks] He had the great first stage. 2315 02:31:05,394 --> 02:31:11,763 [Devilwalk] And I didn't think he had like a very good major run either. 2316 02:31:12,807 --> 02:31:25,483 [Devilwalk] I felt sometimes, yeah, but when I look at awpers, one of the core attributes I look at is what does this awper do when your team is struggling? 2317 02:31:25,462 --> 02:31:42,156 [Devilwalk] Because I think that that's one of the biggest responsibilities for an AWPer is to start picking up kills, start finding ways for your team to win rounds, alleviate the riflers from just running in and dying. 2318 02:31:25,513 --> 02:31:43,540 [Banks] Make life easier. 2319 02:31:42,136 --> 02:31:47,860 [Devilwalk] And I felt like he went a little bit too passive in my eyes. 2320 02:31:49,222 --> 02:31:50,286 [Devilwalk] which can happen to anyone. 2321 02:31:50,787 --> 02:31:53,134 [Devilwalk] Still very young, capable hopper, only 23. 2322 02:31:53,434 --> 02:32:02,219 [Devilwalk] I'm sure he will have his opportunities kind of bounce back into the scene, but it's rough times for him. 2323 02:31:54,286 --> 02:31:54,763 [Banks] Mm hmm. 2324 02:32:03,094 --> 02:32:13,417 [Banks] I feel like if you don't make it work in an Oceania team, then you have to take a step back even further in Europe to be able to build yourself back up. 2325 02:32:13,438 --> 02:32:16,344 [Banks] And it's about that fight he needs to show in order to do it. 2326 02:32:16,207 --> 02:32:16,433 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2327 02:32:16,325 --> 02:32:18,111 [Banks] So let's see what can be next for him. 2328 02:32:18,191 --> 02:32:19,273 [Banks] Let's see who will give him a shot. 2329 02:32:20,378 --> 02:32:24,209 [Banks] He has to show something next. 2330 02:32:25,452 --> 02:32:28,242 [Banks] And then our last thing to touch on here is 2331 02:32:28,221 --> 02:32:44,340 [Banks] carrigan to join the falcons people said it would never be nico and carrigan back together again i'll say this yanko tweeted out earlier like they did a podcast of yanko and nico on esl ages ago i think it's a year ago or so and that gives you a lot of insight into just 2332 02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:57,081 [Banks] how it could work how their relationship can be what they're like right um i need to go back and watch it but i do vaguely remember some of the moments they were looking at there um but i will say this this is true 2333 02:32:57,618 --> 02:33:02,048 [Banks] Like HLTV and KRL was the first, the French streamer was the first to report it. 2334 02:33:02,468 --> 02:33:03,150 [Banks] He was correct. 2335 02:33:03,370 --> 02:33:04,112 [Banks] It was not a dummy. 2336 02:33:04,494 --> 02:33:05,977 [Banks] HLTV confirmed it. 2337 02:33:05,997 --> 02:33:08,302 [Banks] And I spoke to some people and they also confirmed it. 2338 02:33:08,282 --> 02:33:18,326 [Banks] i showed devwalk yesterday and he was like oh my god when i sent him the screenshot that i can't show you guys he was like what the hell because this is real this is happening and 2339 02:33:18,307 --> 02:33:37,868 [Banks] people like devil you got a different opinion we had a little chat about this but i think this is great for carrigan because this is less firepower for falcons this is exactly the players and style that works for carrigan at his best and i might be a romantic and a dreamer and all in on this 2340 02:33:22,171 --> 02:33:27,743 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 2341 02:33:38,016 --> 02:33:42,466 [Banks] But I'm just thinking, Kiyosaki, Nikko, Manassi. 2342 02:33:43,247 --> 02:33:46,453 [Banks] Cesses is there, but I mean, those three, no one's good. 2343 02:33:46,474 --> 02:33:50,381 [Banks] Like, the looseness, the playing off feeling, the going with it. 2344 02:33:50,722 --> 02:33:55,451 [Banks] It might be a bit harder for Kiyosaki to be, like, quick on it and go. 2345 02:33:55,600 --> 02:33:57,483 [Banks] But for Munnessy, for Niko, this is going to be great. 2346 02:33:57,503 --> 02:33:59,085 [Banks] For Testis, it's going to be no problem. 2347 02:33:59,206 --> 02:34:02,070 [Banks] I love this on paper. 2348 02:34:03,292 --> 02:34:04,315 [Banks] And they need a leader. 2349 02:34:04,334 --> 02:34:06,439 [Banks] By the way, I'll say this. 2350 02:34:06,578 --> 02:34:08,101 [Banks] Nothing against Kiksan. 2351 02:34:08,120 --> 02:34:09,143 [Banks] As an IGL, I love him. 2352 02:34:10,165 --> 02:34:13,170 [Banks] But I think in that current team where Niko is such a voice... 2353 02:34:11,479 --> 02:34:12,293 [Devilwalk] Thank you. 2354 02:34:13,825 --> 02:34:17,211 [Banks] I don't think it's working in this fighting that off, yeah? 2355 02:34:17,372 --> 02:34:23,004 [Banks] And I'm not saying that's the right way to do a team because I know DevWalk's going to come with a coach mindset about how this can be split. 2356 02:34:23,365 --> 02:34:26,974 [Banks] But I mean, there's going to be no bigger voice than Carrigan in that team. 2357 02:34:26,953 --> 02:34:46,549 [Banks] not happening it doesn't matter what nico's saying you can call as much ct as you if if carrigan decides something you he says jump you say how high that kind of mentality here we go right let me sit back let me get comfy yeah 2358 02:34:37,028 --> 02:34:44,700 [Devilwalk] Okay, let's, uh, let's kind of dwell dive into this. 2359 02:34:45,140 --> 02:34:47,511 [Devilwalk] So first of all, 2360 02:34:48,993 --> 02:34:51,236 [Devilwalk] I feel bad for Kiksan. 2361 02:34:51,415 --> 02:34:54,659 [Devilwalk] I think still Kiksan is an IGL for the future. 2362 02:34:54,900 --> 02:35:02,309 [Devilwalk] I think that he is capable of leading maybe one of the best teams in the world in the future. 2363 02:35:06,716 --> 02:35:08,638 [Devilwalk] Getting Kerrigan in, 2364 02:35:10,171 --> 02:35:20,755 [Devilwalk] I think, yes, it solves issues with the emotional leadership, maybe some shokiness to them that it can give them some restraint in the middle of the round. 2365 02:35:20,775 --> 02:35:22,179 [Devilwalk] He has a big personality. 2366 02:35:22,259 --> 02:35:23,522 [Devilwalk] People listen to him. 2367 02:35:23,502 --> 02:35:26,847 [Devilwalk] in that sense, makes logical sense. 2368 02:35:27,269 --> 02:35:27,950 [Devilwalk] It's all great. 2369 02:35:30,353 --> 02:35:39,250 [Devilwalk] The one thing I'm a little bit worried about is if I look at the phase project, 2370 02:35:33,879 --> 02:35:34,373 [Banks] Mm hmm. 2371 02:35:41,692 --> 02:35:50,421 [Devilwalk] For some reason, you can't just look at that project and say that there is zero fault in Kerrigan for this drop-off. 2372 02:35:51,986 --> 02:36:01,443 [Devilwalk] There has to, to some degree, be something the way they're working every day, the way they're practicing. 2373 02:36:01,584 --> 02:36:06,772 [Devilwalk] Something is wrong with the talent and the players that they have there. 2374 02:36:06,753 --> 02:36:24,676 [Devilwalk] in that group and for some reason kerrigan has failed to kind of bind that group together again and harness the the skill set of what's been there um yes what's your but 2375 02:36:16,961 --> 02:36:35,494 [Banks] but okay but then don't don't you don't you just say like yes carrigan takes on the blame but brokey was a big problem jacob definitely wasn't the right fit yeah and 2376 02:36:32,166 --> 02:36:33,031 [Devilwalk] 100%. 2377 02:36:36,570 --> 02:36:41,020 [Devilwalk] You're also faced, you know, this could have happened a year ago. 2378 02:36:37,042 --> 02:36:37,424 [Banks] Yeah. 2379 02:36:41,822 --> 02:36:46,531 [Devilwalk] You know, this could have been, you know, Kerrigan saying, okay, this is not working anymore. 2380 02:36:42,095 --> 02:36:42,336 [Banks] Yeah. 2381 02:36:46,871 --> 02:36:56,031 [Devilwalk] We need to fix this before we sink this ship even deeper so no one can recover any parts of its ancient history. 2382 02:36:52,583 --> 02:36:52,722 [Banks] Mm-hmm. 2383 02:36:56,011 --> 02:37:04,737 [Devilwalk] it it feels like you know every time i see you know i don't know how face works but i still assume 2384 02:37:06,219 --> 02:37:18,542 [Devilwalk] to some degree, that Kerrigan's input has been important for FaZe throughout their journey and why they've kept some players and why they've, you know, changed people. 2385 02:37:18,563 --> 02:37:26,236 [Devilwalk] I don't think his input has been irrelevant, even though he might not have been the one deciding the be-end and end-all. 2386 02:37:26,217 --> 02:37:35,328 [Devilwalk] So all I'm saying, I think on paper, Kerrigan's move to Falcons makes sense on a surface level. 2387 02:37:27,770 --> 02:37:28,618 [Banks] Hmm. 2388 02:37:35,790 --> 02:37:37,797 [Devilwalk] What I'm wondering is... 2389 02:37:37,777 --> 02:37:39,382 [Devilwalk] Is Kerrigan up to the meta? 2390 02:37:40,747 --> 02:37:45,445 [Devilwalk] Has there been problems with the way they've approached CS that has caused their downfall as well? 2391 02:37:46,087 --> 02:37:48,698 [Devilwalk] And is this just going to magically fix itself? 2392 02:37:48,677 --> 02:37:58,754 [Devilwalk] with him joining mid-season comparably where I would have liked it better is at the end of a season where there's a break where Kerrigan can kind of 2393 02:37:58,735 --> 02:38:15,781 [Devilwalk] go in have time to set how he wants to play Counter-Strike with this lineup whilst in the middle of the season I could foresee it being not as great as everyone thinks it's going to be straight on 2394 02:38:17,315 --> 02:38:19,578 [Banks] That's a very well measured response. 2395 02:38:19,639 --> 02:38:22,604 [Banks] I could be, like I said, romanticizing the situation. 2396 02:38:23,667 --> 02:38:29,899 [Banks] But don't you think it's better they make the change now and be ahead of the curve coming into it? 2397 02:38:30,100 --> 02:38:36,994 [Banks] If you're already thinking about, like, if they were thinking about making the changes, maybe they were even surprised that, like, Kerrigan came up as an option. 2398 02:38:35,353 --> 02:38:40,662 [Devilwalk] I think this is essentially them conceding any chances of winning the major. 2399 02:38:41,716 --> 02:38:42,837 [Banks] This major, yeah. 2400 02:38:43,046 --> 02:38:47,253 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2401 02:38:43,359 --> 02:38:45,141 [Banks] Maybe they'll make a grand final with some Carrigan luck. 2402 02:38:47,272 --> 02:38:49,536 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2403 02:38:48,988 --> 02:38:52,055 [Banks] But obviously they're not going to beat Vitality anyway, right? 2404 02:38:49,575 --> 02:38:51,019 [Devilwalk] There might be something into that. 2405 02:38:52,075 --> 02:39:01,631 [Banks] This is not happening, so... Mm-hmm. 2406 02:38:54,263 --> 02:38:54,543 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2407 02:38:55,047 --> 02:39:01,619 [Devilwalk] But it feels weird to me, especially that's in the middle of a season kind of deal. 2408 02:39:03,923 --> 02:39:06,668 [Devilwalk] But I'm not against Kerrigan joining Falcons. 2409 02:39:06,869 --> 02:39:10,855 [Devilwalk] I just don't foresee it to be smack bang, every problem solved. 2410 02:39:11,117 --> 02:39:15,064 [Devilwalk] Now we're beating Vitality the next game. 2411 02:39:15,043 --> 02:39:18,878 [Devilwalk] I foresee it to be a little bit of a longer... 2412 02:39:21,523 --> 02:39:37,272 [Devilwalk] testing period for that to happen because if you look at any team Kerrigan has had there's always been continuous growth period we look at Maus even this face lineup it was an instant success it took them a long time to find success 2413 02:39:34,197 --> 02:39:34,518 [Banks] Yeah. 2414 02:39:37,252 --> 02:39:50,686 [Devilwalk] And I'm wondering, Kerrigan turning 36, I think either today or tomorrow, whenever it was, how much time do we actually have of Kerrigan in this lineup? 2415 02:39:45,442 --> 02:39:45,522 [Banks] Mhm. 2416 02:39:52,084 --> 02:39:52,786 [Banks] Let me just check. 2417 02:39:53,105 --> 02:39:54,448 [Banks] I guess it's true to his retirement. 2418 02:39:54,468 --> 02:39:55,088 [Banks] He's 35. 2419 02:39:55,109 --> 02:39:56,270 [Banks] He'll be 36 when? 2420 02:39:56,870 --> 02:40:02,779 [Banks] Yeah, 14th of April. 2421 02:39:57,367 --> 02:39:58,189 [Devilwalk] I think it's tomorrow. 2422 02:40:02,799 --> 02:40:03,360 [Banks] You are correct. 2423 02:40:03,379 --> 02:40:04,140 [Banks] He'll be 36. 2424 02:40:05,361 --> 02:40:06,143 [Banks] He's older than me. 2425 02:40:08,189 --> 02:40:14,262 [Devilwalk] That's kind of where my worrying questions comes from, but I don't think they will be necessarily worse. 2426 02:40:11,650 --> 02:40:12,050 [Banks] Yeah. 2427 02:40:15,777 --> 02:40:20,828 [Devilwalk] But this looks to me like they're getting Kerrigan to fix their problems now. 2428 02:40:21,834 --> 02:40:35,119 [Banks] Yeah. 2429 02:40:21,911 --> 02:40:29,849 [Devilwalk] This is a now build and it's going to mount even more pressure on the team, the individuals, like everything is going to mount instantly. 2430 02:40:29,869 --> 02:40:33,718 [Devilwalk] It's not like people are going to be like, okay, let's give them six months. 2431 02:40:33,968 --> 02:40:35,191 [Devilwalk] That's not going to happen. 2432 02:40:36,994 --> 02:40:38,757 [Devilwalk] That's where I'm weighing on this. 2433 02:40:38,676 --> 02:40:39,257 [Banks] But look at this. 2434 02:40:39,498 --> 02:40:43,406 [Banks] They'll play Astana and they'll play CAC, Lans, before the Major. 2435 02:40:43,585 --> 02:40:44,667 [Banks] And they'll play that with Kerrigan. 2436 02:40:47,575 --> 02:40:47,877 [Devilwalk] Yeah. 2437 02:40:49,115 --> 02:40:51,280 [Banks] That's two good events to get ready for the Major. 2438 02:40:51,681 --> 02:40:53,504 [Banks] Then a bootcamp before Cologne, you'd hope. 2439 02:40:54,445 --> 02:40:55,388 [Banks] Because they're in Stage 3. 2440 02:40:57,070 --> 02:40:58,372 [Banks] And they rock and roll with it from there. 2441 02:40:59,922 --> 02:41:00,644 [Devilwalk] Interesting. 2442 02:41:01,365 --> 02:41:03,131 [Devilwalk] I will be watching definitely. 2443 02:41:03,172 --> 02:41:11,316 [Devilwalk] Yep. 2444 02:41:04,629 --> 02:41:05,792 [Banks] We will definitely be watching. 2445 02:41:05,893 --> 02:41:09,342 [Banks] That first game is going to be record-breaking viewership for whoever's got it. 2446 02:41:11,367 --> 02:41:11,888 [Banks] It's Astana. 2447 02:41:11,988 --> 02:41:12,729 [Banks] Yeah, it's Astana. 2448 02:41:13,952 --> 02:41:14,855 [Banks] That's going to be crazy. 2449 02:41:15,897 --> 02:41:17,622 [Banks] Kerrigan in a Falcons jersey. 2450 02:41:19,608 --> 02:41:20,530 [Banks] And it's... 2451 02:41:21,877 --> 02:41:22,699 [Banks] For me, this is it, though. 2452 02:41:22,718 --> 02:41:23,600 [Banks] This is the last hurrah. 2453 02:41:23,639 --> 02:41:31,174 [Banks] This is the last moment for Kerrigan to deliver something, to show it, because this is where he has got another super team again, and he's almost been gifted it, you know? 2454 02:41:32,117 --> 02:41:33,760 [Banks] Gifted the chance, gifted the opportunity. 2455 02:41:32,203 --> 02:41:35,588 [Devilwalk] Yeah, but this is what bothers me with the release of Kikson. 2456 02:41:33,819 --> 02:41:41,235 [Banks] Yeah. 2457 02:41:37,031 --> 02:41:39,896 [Devilwalk] Because Kikson, I think, is still for the future. 2458 02:41:40,016 --> 02:41:41,398 [Devilwalk] But the demands are now. 2459 02:41:42,497 --> 02:41:59,224 [Banks] yeah what okay yeah i get that um i would say that also for phase now 2460 02:41:43,102 --> 02:41:47,908 [Devilwalk] It's not that I'm negative towards Kerrigan. 2461 02:41:47,968 --> 02:41:50,212 [Devilwalk] I think I'm negative more than Kikson is removed. 2462 02:42:00,469 --> 02:42:02,548 [Banks] You can only remove one other player. 2463 02:42:03,051 --> 02:42:04,454 [Banks] Now, will Twist want to stay? 2464 02:42:04,495 --> 02:42:05,797 [Banks] Will Frozen want to go somewhere? 2465 02:42:06,157 --> 02:42:10,546 [Banks] If Frozen gets an offer and goes somewhere, you have to keep Brokey, Jacob, and Twist. 2466 02:42:10,706 --> 02:42:13,129 [Banks] Only one more player can go, otherwise that core's gone. 2467 02:42:13,511 --> 02:42:19,381 [Banks] Or maybe FaZe as a whole organization exit CS, which would be a sad day. 2468 02:42:20,180 --> 02:42:23,066 [Devilwalk] I think it's more leaning towards exiting. 2469 02:42:20,202 --> 02:42:22,426 [Banks] But also, I don't imagine... 2470 02:42:22,541 --> 02:42:27,573 [Banks] I don't imagine Karrigan with, I mean, I don't imagine FaZe without Karrigan now either. 2471 02:42:28,415 --> 02:42:29,256 [Banks] And that's a sad thing. 2472 02:42:29,297 --> 02:42:30,639 [Banks] The FaZe logo gone from CS. 2473 02:42:31,523 --> 02:42:38,779 [Devilwalk] I mean, he was probably one of the bigger pulls for a player to join. 2474 02:42:37,736 --> 02:42:37,995 [Banks] Yeah. 2475 02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:40,602 [Banks] Does Twists IGL again? 2476 02:42:41,998 --> 02:42:45,311 [Devilwalk] Yeah, it's... I don't know. 2477 02:42:46,155 --> 02:42:46,798 [Devilwalk] I don't know. 2478 02:42:47,460 --> 02:42:47,942 [Devilwalk] But we'll see. 2479 02:42:48,444 --> 02:42:48,947 [Devilwalk] Interesting. 2480 02:42:49,588 --> 02:42:53,122 [Devilwalk] But I think for my money, it's kind of a gamble from Falcon's side. 2481 02:42:49,897 --> 02:43:06,690 [Banks] yes we will well let's wait and see how it will all go down um we had a couple more allowance questions coming while we're doing the episode but we already filmed the episode and he's already gone so we can't answer that there's no more questions for us so that means 2482 02:43:06,670 --> 02:43:10,422 [Banks] Episode 57 of the All About Counter-Strike podcast is done. 2483 02:43:10,522 --> 02:43:16,781 [Banks] I hope you enjoyed us having Lance on in a different way, a different style of having the guest on and getting some things working in there. 2484 02:43:16,762 --> 02:43:19,427 [Banks] I hope you all enjoyed another banger episode from us. 2485 02:43:19,828 --> 02:43:20,751 [Banks] Let us know in the comments. 2486 02:43:20,831 --> 02:43:23,897 [Banks] Don't forget to hit that like and subscribe because it does help us out a lot. 2487 02:43:24,158 --> 02:43:25,380 [Banks] You know, there's actually a fact. 2488 02:43:25,502 --> 02:43:29,691 [Banks] It's like 70% of the people who watch the podcast aren't subscribed. 2489 02:43:29,710 --> 02:43:33,700 [Banks] So if any of you could just hit the subscribe button, it helps us so much. 2490 02:43:30,834 --> 02:43:31,717 [Devilwalk] Oh, really? 2491 02:43:33,739 --> 02:43:35,985 [Banks] You're watching actively again and again and again. 2492 02:43:35,965 --> 02:43:55,559 [Banks] same people same viewers so if you just hit subscribe turn notifications on it helps us out remember we have no sponsors no anything we're just doing it ourselves so these things matter does mean a lot to us helps with an understanding where the podcast is going the next episode we'll be back doing will be after rio and we will cover the 2493 02:43:55,540 --> 02:44:08,317 [Banks] review of rio into the blast rivals 2026 in fort worth texas so you ready for that one dw we will do 2494 02:44:06,307 --> 02:44:06,730 [Devilwalk] Will do. 2495 02:44:07,256 --> 02:44:07,579 [Devilwalk] All right. 2496 02:44:07,661 --> 02:44:08,368 [Devilwalk] Thank you, everyone. 2497 02:44:09,176 --> 02:44:10,004 [Devilwalk] Bye-bye.